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Cross Dresser In My Church

How many of you would accept a person whom cross-dresses into your church? Would you pray for them, or with them, or would you shun them away?

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You may pray for any one that isnt committing a sin unto death, for example someone who has absolutely rejected the Lord, or even those who will not repent of a besetting sin *1. That may require asking the Lord for wisdom in this matter. There may be some people that you would be kind to, but with whom you wouldnt fellowship in Church. God judges those outside the Kingdom, yet uses Believers to judge those within the Church *2. And the Lord shows us there is an important distinction between the sexes *3.
---Glenn on 8/8/10


Then of course in your Religion of Liberalism there IS no sin.
---JOHN on 8/7/10

Another typical, expected response from "pastor" jim. You don't have an answer to the question so you stoop to name calling.

If you really are a "pastor" you should be able to come up with a better response than this..

Come on Jimmy... try it again..
---NurseRobert on 8/8/10


I dont claim to be the expert on the subject, Cluny. I just dress how society deems it ok to do so now.

I have no desire to look like a woman. I dont wear skirts, dresses, lipstick, eyeliner, half shirts etc etc.

Now back in my teens I did wear the hair quite long and put on makeup, but that was an 80s rock thing :P

I supposed now I shall be crucified by some here for those things which God has already forgotten.
---JackB on 8/8/10


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*1 Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29, 16:16, 1Corinthians 11:28-32, Galatians 5:13, 6:1-2, Hebrews 12:1, 1John 5 (especially 16-17).
*2 Romans 16:17, 1Corinthians 2:15, 5:1-13, 6:4, 11:31-32, Galatians 1:8-9, 2Thessalonians 3:14, 2John 1:9-11.
*3 Genesis 1:27 "male and female created he them", Deuteronomy 22:5, Romans 1:18-32, 8:1-33, 1Corinthians 6:9, 11:4, 7-9, 14, 16, Galatians 5:13, 22-23, Colossians 3:5-10, 1Timothy 2:8, 2Peter 2:7-10, Jude 1:8.
---Glenn on 8/8/10


Theres something in the Old Testament about a man not wearing that which partains to a woman and vice versa.
---JackB on 8/7/10
Can you quote it chapter and verse? I don't recall any passages about what is worn in clothing. What I remember is a passage that says that a man should not loot like a woman.
---obewan on 8/7/10




I found it. It is Deut. 22:5. But, it is part of the OT law. I mean, there was a law prohibiting mixed fabrics too. That means I am a sinner because I have worn cotton-wool and cotton-poly and other mixes fabrics.
---obewan on 8/7/10


\\Theres something in the Old Testament about a man not wearing that which partains to a woman and vice versa.
---JackB on 8/7/10\\

And do you follow the OT regulations of not wearing blended fabrics, JackB?

Or is it just SOME of the OT clothing rules you think apply today--especially those that fit your own cultural taboos?
---Cluny on 8/7/10


Consider what MEN wore in the bible days BEFORE you think of cross dressing.

Also consider what men is scotland and Fiji wear.

Consider CULTURE while you think of cross dressing.

What may be considered WOMEN'S clothing in USA, may very well be mens clothing elsewere.

And did you know that pants were invented for women and not men?
---FRANCIS on 8/7/10


Just HOW is this a sin??
---NurseRobert on 8/6/10

Then of course in your Religion of Liberalism there IS no sin.

You renamed them to hmmm? Oh yes as one of your Priest decreed Al Bore

"We call them MISTAKES"

THE SATANIC LIBERAL CULT CORE VALUES...

1) SEE NO EVIL
2) HEAR NO EVIL
3) SPEAK NO EVIL
---JOHN on 8/7/10


Theres something in the Old Testament about a man not wearing that which partains to a woman and vice versa.
---JackB on 8/7/10




Were the men in the Bible including Jesus cross dressers? I mean, there was not a lot of difference between how men and women dressed back then. And, everyone had long hair too. What about men who wear kilts?
---obewan on 8/7/10


Nurseroberts, do you believe it is ok for a Christian to be a cross dresser?
---Bob on 8/6/10

I think one thing has nothing to do with the other....


Just HOW is this a sin??
---NurseRobert on 8/6/10


ANOTHER POSSIBLITY:

Rebecca_D: You could butt out and leave this person alone!!!! You cannot save everybody. Leave the cross dresser to someone more loving and caring and SAVED! That certainly does not describe you. Now does it? What sins do you have? Cross dressing is no more a sin than fornication or drunkenness,murder and so forth. We all are dealing with some kind of sin. What make you think you are so different? Its people like you who ruin the good churches and wound innocent people. You better be careful, holy one.
---Robyn on 8/6/10


If the cross-dresser gets sat next to the liberals in here, he'll be a cross-dresser for a lot longer than sitting him next to Mike or John, and no doubt be encouraged to bloom! You liberals have accepted him and his sin, and so you keep him 'sick' for a lot longer.

If false teaching is the cancer of Christianity then liberalism is surely the medicines we buy that, under certain laboratory conditions and a deliberate amount of time, have a trace affect, yet the shattering side-effects are ignored because of the hope in the medicine.

We come to Christ and make efforts to change our ways to please God, to go against our carnal desires, and campaigns. And when time and diligence are served - He changes us.
---John_II on 8/6/10


Nurseroberts, do you believe it is ok for a Christian to be a cross dresser?
---Bob on 8/6/10


How many of you would accept a person whom cross-dresses into your church? Would you pray for them, or with them, or would you shun them away?

the answer to this queston can be found OUTSEIDE THE USA
---francis on 8/5/10


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It depends on what the cross dresser came to church for some people come to mock some to make a statement and others want real change. So it really depends on his motives. Maybe his motive was to shock who knows if he changes and asks god into his life then you have won a soul.

You will have to approach him in terms of his purpose for coming to church, and show him the gospel in terms of him/she thinking it's okay to worship with you.
---Carla on 8/4/10


PEOPLE WHO AVOCATE THIS, HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE MARK OF THE BEAST

THIS IS LIBERAL TRASH AND HERESY!

We are obligated and commanded to remove evil for the house of G-d.

Liberals love to Neuter Christains by using guilt terms such as Acceptance, Tolorance, do not judge anyone, Hate, etc.
John (aka pastor jim)

Let us not forget that some people are born with birth defects that leave them transgendered. The percent of people born with part of both sexes is as high as .05%. That means in my city, there would be between 1,000 and 1,500 hermaphrodites. If they show up in church, suspicious people may not be able to tell if they are dressed "properly" lest they do what only a doctor should do.
---obewan on 8/4/10


NOTE: How all the posts who advocate "ACCEPTANCE" are woman. It is the very reason G-d has put Men in charge of woman and head of the household.

But.. sadly most every "man" out there has been Neutured and feminized.

So now you see a rise of this "I'm okay.. You're okay" attitude unhindered by men, because so few men exist today.

So Eve once again "ACCEPTS" the fruit from Satan!
---John on 8/4/10


Evil is NEVER Accepted by Christians EVER!!!
---John on 8/4/10

Tell us oh mighty Pastor Jimbo..... how is cross dressing evil?

Come on, quote some scripture.
---NurseRobert on 8/4/10


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Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
2Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
1Cor 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase.
Point him to Christ, let God do the rest.
---micha9344 on 8/4/10


\\PEOPLE WHO AVOCATE THIS, HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE MARK OF THE BEAST\\

Since the Mark of the Beast concerns buying and selling, please tell me the connection between commerce and cross dressing, or what Christological doctrine transvestism necessarily affects.
---Cluny on 8/4/10


The Church should have doors open to all that want to enter, as long as the person is NOT disruptive of the service. If the Word of God is preached as it should, and discerning saints of God approach this individual in love to invite to altar calls, bible studies, etc., they would be allowing the Holy Ghost to do its job with this cross-dressing individual. Once the individual accepts Christ, he can be discipled and prayed for, and prayed with, and taught what is acceptable behavior as a new life Christian, holy living.
---Lin on 8/4/10


I would accept him/her. Once they feel accepted...
---Robyn on 8/3/10

PEOPLE WHO AVOCATE THIS, HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE MARK OF THE BEAST

THIS IS LIBERAL TRASH AND HERESY!

We are obligated and commanded to remove evil for the house of G-d.

Liberals love to Neuter Christains by using guilt terms such as Acceptance, Tolorance, do not judge anyone, Hate, etc.

If you are truly Christian the answer is obvious. Never never allow Satan voices deceive you and enter your church.
G-d commands you to make judgement at all times and to protect HIS Church!

He belongs to the Religious Cult of Liberalism where he would be "Accepted".


Evil is NEVER Accepted by Christians EVER!!!
---John on 8/4/10


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I would accept him/her. We are to show love to others, at all times. We don't have to be good friends or anything, but cordial. Let them know they are welcomed in the church,especially. Once they feel accepted, we can talk to them about the cross dressing and why they do this particuar thing. They should take the lead in this. Should not be rushed or pushed to talk about this. I would just show love and pray for this person. Eventually they might accept help and correction in this area. We should not pass our opinion but share what God has to say on this.
---Robyn on 8/3/10


Jesus was very explicit in teaching about judging others. He came for the sinner, for the sick, those who needed a "Physician". We, as Christians,I am afraid, are all too eager to judge those who are different, which could not be further away from the Truth Jesus taught.If I ask myself "What would Jesus do", my answer is to love unconditionally, for therin lies the mercy I pray for for myself.
---Marsha on 11/22/07


I would be as friendly as I could be. On the other hand, if he sits in a church where the pure gospel is being preached and turns a deaf ear then he is rejecting God. I would shake the dust off my feet.
---shira on 5/12/07


Nicki, have your husband read *Healing the Unaffirmed* by Baars and Terruwe. It's about growing up feeling unloved and what happens. there is a website for conrad baars and you can read about the symptoms of Emotional Deprivation Disorder. I bet it will help.
---Philomena on 7/11/06


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Nicki: I pray your husband is able to find hope and healing in Godly Christian therapy.

We do not know the hurts that lie beneath the surface of a person who is dressed oddly when they visit our churches.
---Madison1101 on 7/10/06


Farah C Church; Please check Ps.133:2, Ezek.5:3, Deut.22:30, Ruth 3:9, 1Sam.24:4,5, Hag.2:12, and Zech.8:23 and you may find that men's clothing is not necessarily by western standards. Ruth 3:9 verifies this as well. And of course when the Lord wrapped a towel around himself to wash the disciple's feet he was in a sense wearing a wrap skirt.
---Shari on 7/10/06


My husband just revealed to me that he has had this problem for 24 years. It is based on hurt from his childhood. He wants to quit but doesn't know how. He NEEDS church, God, Bible, love, etc in order to stop and in order to live a Godly life.
---Nicki on 2/24/06


I would love it if a whole bunch of cross dressing folks would come to my church if they're seeking Him. I would love to be able to tell them that their sorrow and shame doesn't have to remain - that there is One who died for it and that they are redeemable. Let them come in droves - and be set free. When Paul talks about those sins in ICor., he also says, "and such were some of you." Any/every sin is big enough to send one to hell - I thank God His blood covers them all.
---daphn8897 on 2/21/06


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Farah, the term 'cross-dresser' can refer to either sex dressing themselves to look like the opposite sex. It is not simply women wearing trousers (trousers are made to correctly fit the womanly figure these days) or a man wearing a dress. Cross-dressers think that they look like the opposite sex and get a thrill, that we cannot understand, from doing so. The abomination is in meddling with something God-given.
---M.P. on 2/12/06


Yes Farah, regardless what the bible says about this, how would you treat someone if a person such as this should happen to walk into your church and sit down? Would you welcome him/her in or would you ask him/her to leave?
---Rebecca_D on 2/11/06


Just a point of clarification: are you referring to a woman wearing man's clothes (pants) or a man wearing woman's clothes (skirts)? But regardless, both versions are an abomination according to His Word: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deut. 22:5
---Farah_C._Church on 2/11/06


taylor, we who are saved and choose to stay and grow together in Christ do not sin. If you have hidden sins, that is solely your sin, and not anybody elses. If you have fallen from grace and choose to hide sin in your life, again that's on you, and none of your sins is accepted nor shared by the saints. Taylor, you cannot serve to masters: truly get saved, and then sin will have no part in your life.
---Eloy on 2/11/06


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A clear distinction must be made between "accepting" as members of a church and those who are "publicans and sinners" being drawn to Christ. Jesus did not condemn the adulteress, but bid her sin no more. Paul said they should disfellowship one choosing to live in open sin. Many want the church to be a hospital in which they take no medicine and make no changes, where they can remain willing sinners while being considered saved saints as long as they live.
---Wayne87 on 2/10/06


Mike, some/most people have hidden sins??? C'mon, everybody has hidden sins! We sin with our thoughts everyday! And how is a person who crossdresses being a hypocrite? They are showing you who they are. Sounds like you think your sins are lesser because no one can see them when you sit in the pew with your Bible.
---taylor on 2/10/06


If it wasn't for the church letting me in and hearing the truth, I wouldn't have found Jesus. I may not agree with someone who choses to dress this way, and I may not like it, but Jesus said to shine a light that others may see him through us. I agree Eloy, we should show them what the word says but not judging them in the process and take a chance on losing someone to God. We are told to love thy neighbor as thyself, Mike if you shun these people away, then you don't follow this commandment.
---Rebecca_D on 2/10/06


I agree that some/most people have hidden sins - but that doesn't make apparent and blatant sin ok to do in the Church. No way. You can't sale this. Jesus hates the actions of a hypocrite, this is true. A person who pretends to be something that they are not.
---mike on 2/10/06


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Rebecca, if a person does not know that cross-dressing is wrong, and they enter a church, than a responsible christian should enlighten the unknowing one about the right standard: ie, men dress with men's clothes, and women dress as women, else it is a disgust to God. It would be the same if a person walked into church naked, then a responsible christian should show the lost one the right way- all in christian love of course.
---Eloy on 2/10/06


Rebecca ... I am with you on this one! Mike ... are you saying that a multiple adulterer would be welcome in yuor church if he kept quiet about it and dressed in his best Sunday suit?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/9/06


I'd just hate it Big Mike if the guy looked better in the 'little red dress' than I did!
---NVBarbara on 2/9/06


No man is getting near me with a little red dress on! It's just not normal. No, it's not right!
---Big_Mike on 2/9/06


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taylor, my friend, this is what you posted on another blog recently; I think those who attend church dressed carelessly, in blue jeans or shorts, show that they really don't care. Its a sign of disrespect and laziness.
---taylor
But the cross-dresser is ok huh, get real.
---mike on 2/9/06


Mike,
The offending Corinthian was accepted as a member of the chruch. He was not just a visitor. Rebecca has made it clear that she is talking about a visitor not a member.
---Bruce5656 on 2/9/06


Mike, neither your daily sins nor mine are better than the person who crossdresses for whatever reason. Just because his so-called "sin" is more visible does not mean its worse than your invisible sins. Seems like you're in the minority on this.
---taylor on 2/9/06


What did Paul say to the Church at Corinth about the man that was a fornicator? Remove him. It is clear that we don't agree on this point. For the record, I am far from perfect, but I like to think our little Church deals with open blatant sin of any of our members. That is not always fun, but I think we are called to do that. Remember, our Church has to be in the world right now, but we don't have to let the world be in the Church.
---mike on 2/9/06


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Mike, what would make you think children can comprehend cross dressing? Unless the child has been previously exposed to it they could never understand. What if someone with pink hair and noticeable body piercings? Is that unacceptable too? Obviously this person loves God and worships just like anyone else. As far as the bible verse, it's all in how one interprets it. If you're so concerned about children sitting next to a cross dresser then choose another spot in church to sit. Come on now...
---angea4833 on 2/9/06


Rebecca, I apologize. I misread your blog. Its mike I don't agree with, but its been covered enough already. Again, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Mike, it might be wise to pray for humility and enlightenment.
---joe on 2/9/06


Joe; how was I being harsh? Mike said he wouldn't allow someone like that in his church, I told him his thinking was wrong. If a person whom cross-dresses comes into the church, maybe he/she is looking for the truth and need answers. How are we shining a light if we shun them away? I wouldn't shun them away. I would show them godly love. Eloy; if someone doesn't know the bible, then they wouldn't know that verse. If someone doesn't allow them to come in, how are they to know the answers?
---Rebecca_D on 2/9/06


Rebecca, There's nothing difficult about a woman not putting on man's clothes, nor a man to put on a woman's clothes. It's not necessary to be a Bible scholar or theologian to understand this Bible verse. It's very straight forward and self-explanatory, so a child should be able to understand it.
---Eloy on 2/9/06


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Yes, I am glad Jesus didn't throw me out - and I am thankful to say that I can't stop anyone from going to Jesus. However, A little common sense is required too. How many of you that say let him in, will be willing to let him sit with your son or daughter and not be concerned? Let's all just be real. The Church is not the place for the guy to practice his cross-dressing. Sorry, I just don't accept that one. May God direct us all in our thinking.
---mike on 2/9/06


Mike. You're right about Jesus throwing out the money chansgers in the temple. But they never came to Him. No one who came to Him would be cast out. If someone comes to church, they are willfully coming for to Him. There must be a time in your life when you came to Him in all your sin. Are you not glad He didn't cast you out?
---john on 2/9/06


Rebecca, your stance is a very harsh one. Very judgemental. All people should be allowed in church. How they live their lives is between them and God. Not you.
---joe on 2/9/06


With Rebecca's clarification below, I most heartedly agree that the person should NOT be turned away at the door.
Can anyone truly imagine, Jesus standing guard at the church door turning people away? That is a church I would not want to have anything to do with.
---Bruce5656 on 2/9/06


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Moderator, No! I'm saying that some need to remove the beam out of their eyes to see the mote in someone else's. Also, I would hate to stand at the judgement seat of Christ knowing that man's blood was on my hands because I turned him away rather than allow him to hear the gospel.
---Delmar on 2/9/06


Even Jesus threw people out ot the Temple for using it for the wrong reasons. Too many people want Jesus to accept them "Just As I Am" - but then fail to receive the life changing power of the gospel. So, If you must be "Just As I Am", with no desire to repent and be reborn - then "Just Stay Out"
-- Reborn or Recon --
---mike on 2/9/06


I really hope that those of you who would turn someone away from church FOR WHATEVER REASON would take the time to carefully explain why you felt it necessary to do so. The thief and the adulterer can often keep their sins secret, the cross dresser is being open about it and doesn't know that it's wrong until told. By turning away a cross dresser (rather than teaching him/her) and keeping the gossips, thieves etc. what kind of church do we have?
---M.P. on 2/9/06


Scripture tells us that we should not make markings on our bodies, yet many christians have tattoos. References to spouses are in reference to being God-given, yet today they use computers. We are told to disperse to the poor yet people drive towncars to church and ignore the poor in our own country. We are told to hate our lives in this world, yet they divorce because they aren't happy. And, they find fault with a crossdresser! Strain at gnat and swallow a camel!

Moderator - So because others sin, you believe lets just sin more?
---Delmar on 2/9/06


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Joe; it doesn't matter. The question was would this person be allowed in your church and would you pray for them. Eloy; what if this person doesn't know the bible, he/she wouldn't understand that scripture. Bruce; I mean allow them to come in that church and sit down. I don't mean a memeber. Out of all of the answers, Mike is the only one who will shune this person away. Mike your thinking is wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 2/8/06


I'm with John on this one. Church services are not just for the saints, but hospitals for the sick. What better way to reach them, they are coming to you for help. If they are turned away they could be lost forever.
---NVBarbara on 2/8/06


Yes, that person should be stopped from entering, if isn't even willing to wear man's clothing (jeans, t-shirt, anything). There are times and places to witness to him, Just as he is, but not in the middle of the congregation. If I am wrong for feeling that way, then so be it.
---mike on 2/8/06


Mike, if this cross-dresser would only come to church dressed in his/her clothing of choice, would you set up a blockade at the door and stop this person from entering your building? I think of the song "Just as I am". If we had to make sure we were properly dressed to meet God, a lot of us would never make it.
---Ann5758 on 2/8/06


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Rebecca,
Could you be more specific? What do you mean when you say "accept a person ... in your church"? Do you mean as a member or an adherent?
---Bruce5656 on 2/8/06


Would we let a drug addict smoke pot in Church? Would we let an adulteress woman flirt with the pastor? No - We would tactfully ask the cross dresser to go and change his clothes and then return.
---mike on 2/8/06


"That will not be which is of a man on a woman, nor will man take on a woman's garment: for a disgust to YHWH your God." Deuteronomy 22:5.
---Eloy on 2/8/06


Delmar, yes we do read that some haved entertained angels unawares but although they might be 'in disguise' I doubt they would come blatantly breaking God's own rules. I believe it means that they could simply be mingling amongst us unnoticed. I'm sure, however, that there is a very good reason why a cross dresser turns up amongst Christians and we should remember that God sees our every move and hears every word.
---M.P. on 2/8/06


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If criticism, judgementalism, or fault finding got people saved then I predict the whole world would be won to Christ by now. The Bible says that God's loving kindness is what leads people to repentance (Romans 2:4). It's Christ's love that compels us (2 Corinthians 5:14). In order for the Church of Jesus Christ to make a difference in this world, we simply must look past outward appearances and love with the love of Christ that has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit (Romans 5:5).
---DoryLory on 2/7/06


Jesus said not to judge by appearance, but judge the righteous judgement. Paul said that some have entertained angels in unawares. The Lord told Samuel he looks on the heart. It might be well not to judge anyone that comes into the church. It is the Lord that will seperate the wheat from the chaff. That crossdresser may just be sent by God to test the saints!
---Delmar on 2/7/06


Jesus did not come for the righteous but for the sinners. If we turn away from our churches the people who still need to find God, or give them the impression that they are worth less than we are they will possibly never set foot in a church again. If that happens we will be held responsible for them. I'm glad I wasn't shunned or turned away many years ago.
---M.A. on 2/7/06


First I would go and talk with them to see where their heart is. Then I would pray with them and continue praying for them. That person might just be seeking the truth, and if we turn them away, what kind of witnesses would we be?
---Melissa on 2/7/06


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We have the same thing in our church that is located in the poor end of the city. On a normal Sunday we will have drunkards, prostitutes, drug abusers, cross dressers, and everything. Church should be the best place for these people. They need it more than anyone. Love them and hate the sin. We don't allow them into the leadership. It is our job to pick them up out of the miry clay and put their feet on the ROCK.
---john on 2/7/06


We should never be too quick to shake the dust off our feet. Jesus would not do that with this individual. This person deserves to be loved.
---clark on 2/7/06


Scripture states that men should not dress as women and vice versa. The pastor of a church should privately point this out to such a person because we are told to show each other where we go wrong (that means all of us). We all break the rules of scripture at times but some rule-breaking is more obvious than others. That doesnt make it any worse though. We should all pray for each others short-comings whether it is a close friend or a stranger within our gates.
---M.P. on 2/7/06


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