Were not going to back there when you ask how long is a piece of string are we?
---Carla on 5/9/10|
Many here claim Jesus did not take the vow of the Nazarite. I would challenge anyone with a true heart toward God to become familiar with what the Nazarite vow was all about. Read the enirety of Numbers 6.
Regarding drinking wine...Jesus drank wine at the famous wedding where He turned water to wine, but not at the Last Supper. We have no idea when He made the vow. He did, however, touch the bodies of those presumed dead that rose again. Yet, allow me to point out...when the "dead" revived, Jesus made known that Faith was the key. Therefore, would Jesus have believed those He rose up were dead? Likewise, He laid no hands on Lazarus, who was, by all accounts and witness, dead.
---Elaine on 5/9/10|
Carla, how long is long hair? To the shoulder, the waist, the ground?
Consider Leviticus 19:27 Israelite men were told "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Therefore they had long hair and bushy beards.
Is it therefore wrong to have long hair and a bushy beard? Or are you saying you just don't like it?
---Warwick on 5/9/10|
wow!o.k. the bible says its shameful for a man to have long hair.the vow of the nazarite included growing long hair as a sign to those around that he had taken the vow,this set him apart from the short haired men.jesus was from nazereth but did not take the vow,had he he wouldve been easy to spot in the garden.judas wouldve just said, hes the one with long hair.the twelve certainly didnt take the vow,so they had short hair.but jesus had to be singled out by a kiss,why? because he looked like the other short haired men.he did have a beard because the bible says it was plucked from his face.
---pas._dave on 5/9/10|
1 Corinthians 11:14>>>>this is a difficult passage. Paul is differentiating between the sexes. [wear long hair like a woman] in a effeminate way, not a specific kind of hair cut. [EFFEMINATE WAYS] means, not Virile....Also, includes dress.
---catherine on 5/9/10|
If scripture states That it is a shame for a man to have long Hair. Neither would Jesus wear his hair long!!!!!!
FACT although we don't necessarily have to keep the Sabbath Jesus Did' Simple!
---Carla on 5/8/10|
My Lord does not have long hair.
Although, if He followed the traditions of the Rabbis today, he might have long hair at His temples which would be braided or twirled. And His beard might be very long.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/7/10|
Francis the Scripture you give does not specify what 'long' means therefore it is relative to the culture of the writer. My experience in the middle East showed me that men in Biblical times usually had what we would call long hair. In fact Israelite men were forbidden to cut the sides of their hair or beards-Leviticus 19:27. Therefore they must have had long hair. As there is no definitive understanding of the Scripture we should not consider it a rule to be enforced, should we.
---Warwick on 5/7/10|
He had a beard too. And wore a robe. I have had visions of Jesus. And He really does look like some of the drawings that I have seen. Robe, long hair- shoulder length. At the time I was under severe demonic influence, when Jesus appeared before me. He stretched out His arm, His hand pointing straight toward me. and Satan ran. Ha, ha, he. I have always had trouble from Satan my whole life from the age of sixteen. only I didn't know that it was the devil. However, when Jesus saved me, Satan pulled out his weapons that I knew not of. it would blow your ever-loving mind. He pulled his Bombs, guns and missiles, too. and has aimed them right at me. Ha, he always misses. HEEEEE. This is why he hates me, so much. Because I know so much about him.
---catherine on 5/7/10|
Jesus was not a Nazarite because he drank grape juice, and touched the dead. On that basis he would not have to have long hair.
I only have one scripture to support POSSIBLE short hair:
1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
---francis on 5/7/10|
Apparently, Middle Easterners generally wore their hair longer than Romans, especially Roman soldiers did.
This is supported by various historical writings.
---Cluny on 5/6/10|
The prospect of Jesus having long hair by today's standards is very possible. It was the common style of His day, and most common among laborers and lower classes. The fact He was also a Nazarite accounts for his celebacy, long hair and beard. There is no mention in Scripture that He shaved His head or beard as required to end the vow, so we automatically surmise His hair was long. Even the Shroud of Turin evidences near shoulder-length hair, if you look carefully.
---Elaine on 5/7/10|
Ok...so it is clear that everyone interprets the same text differently.
1) Hair shouldn't be an issue....
2) If you believe in the Shroud of Turin....you might want to believe in long hair on Jesus...because all the indications are there.
3) Many non-Christian behaviours follow if you allow yourself to judge someone because of their hair. Because next comes the assumptions, the degrading comments, the not hiring someone because of hair, etc....and that is NOT ok based on the length of someone's hair.
---Brent on 5/6/10|
Glenn I think it unimportant whether men have short or long hair and I am confident it is not a serious matter. In Leviticus 19:27 Israelite men were told "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Therefore they had long hair and bushy beards.
My reading suggests that in Corinth prostitures had short hair, and male perverts had long hair. So Paul's comments were to the meaning that Christians there should not be like this, lest they be mistaken for prostitutes or perverts.
In the Tyndale NT comentary on 1 Corinthians (p. 155) the Rev. Dr. Leon Morris says "The precise length is not specified, and is not important." I concur.
---Warwick on 4/2/10|
The Jews in Greek cities followed many of the local customs, and so, had very short hair according to records of the time, frescoes and paintings, and later Jewish writings. There are vases with scenes of Jewish youths who had military style haircuts. Israel had been exposed to Greek practices since 330 B.C., and according to the Jewish commentaries, the people were applying Leviticus 10:6 and Ezekiel 44:20 to all in Israel. And the Cohen / Priests were said to have hair as short as the Romans. Leviticus 19:27-28, 21:5, Deuteronomy 14:1 didnt concerned trimming a beard, but not cutting designs that honored the dead, or were idolatrous.
Note: straight razors and scissors were available in Israel in the first century.
---Glenn on 4/1/10|
Still the point remains, upon what concrete basis do we decide what long hair means. To a man with a shaved head long hair could be what others call normal length. To another man with shoulder-length hair, hair to the waist may constiture long hair..... Unless we know what length Paul's hair was (a la 1 Co. 11:14) we cannot know what long is, can we?
Maybe it is better we stick to important things and don't worry about the unimportant.
BTW Francis, Jesus drank wine, not grape juice. The text clearly says wine. Further how would pereishable grape juice be preserved between one yearly grape harvest and the next? Left to itself it becomes alcoholic wine. And praise God for that.
God save us from legalists!
---Warwick on 4/1/10|
I would have to say no, Jesus did not have long hair.
His lifestyle suggested that he was not a nazarite. He touched the dead, and the sick, he had grape juice at the last supper.
And based on this Text:
1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
I would have to say he had short hair
---francis on 4/1/10|
If you believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God then first Corinthians 11:14,"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" Seems to answer this question. Put another way, would God violate his own word?
---mima on 4/1/10|
Good point Larry. Maybe someone could explain what constitutes long hair?
Unless there is a concrete standard we have no way of judging what long is.
---Warwick on 4/1/10|
Charlie you may be right that Jesus did not have long hair but long is relative. We err if we consider length by western standards.
In the first century Jewish men wore their hair cropped and most had beards. Cropped in the 1st century was just above the shoulder while women wore hair down to their waist.
There is some evidence Paul's writing on hair was aimed at some men who continued to let their hair grow past the normal shoulder length.
BTW, how did they shave and crop hair in those days?
---larry on 3/28/10|
I don't know. I don't care...and I think most people don't. It only matters to those who want to make a doctrinal issue out of hair length.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10|
As the ancient Hebrews were often guilty of having a synthetic religion, mixing God's instructions with baal worship, the early Church (as today) had a problem with the synergistic mixing of our faith with gentile customs, Colossians 2:8, Revelations 3:15-16. This was done in order to make Christianity seem more palatable and familiar to them. And it included portraying the Lord as having various characteristics of their gods. Many heathen males wore short hair, but their deities usually were depicted as having long hair. The Jews considered long flowing locks on a male to be a curse, Psalm 68:21, Revelations 9:7-8, and by the first century, Leviticus 10:6 and Ezekiel 44:20 were applied to all.
---Glenn on 3/28/10|
Would this even be a topic of conversation if society wasn't suffering from confused gender roles. First, Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1Corinthians 11:14 are specific, and both Greek and Hebrew males wore their hair short. Most Nazarite vows were short term, and the head was shorn afterward, Numbers 6:18. While effeminate in Matthew 11:8 / Luke 7:25, 1Corinthians 6:9 primarily concern self indulgence, men who have long hair usually are so. We do have liberty in Christ, but read Galatians 5:13. To the Jews, a beard was considered a sign of ones masculinity, and freedom from slavery and shame, 2Samuel 10:4-5, Isaiah 50:6. Paintings of Jesus are not photographs, and were often influenced by cultural beliefs.
---Glenn on 3/28/10|
No one can definitely say the true length of Christ hair. But we know from drawing and cultural anthropology that normative male hair length in most of the Roman provinces was not long but rather cropped shot not touching the shoulders.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/28/10|
Jesus did not have long hair. In those days fellow jews had short hair according to reasearch. In the gospels it quotes...It is a shame for a man to have long hair. If Jesus said that why would he have long hair. Also Jesus hid himself from the Jews attempts of stoning him, if Jesus had long hair it would have been a dead givaway of where he is, but since he looked like a typical jew he was a ble to blend and hide from the crowd. Look up these proofs in your bible if u dnt beileive me.
---Charlie on 3/27/10|
Jesus Does Have Long Hair.He Is A Nazarene Like Sampson Was.It Was Part Of Their Culture To Have Long Hair. If He Had Short Hair We Would See Pictures Of Him With Short Hair. Imagine That.
imagine what LOL ...imaginations RUN WILD
Robby sweetie ...Samson LIVED as Nazarene about 1000 YEARS PRIOR to Christ ...read Judges to understand
Nazarene's at Christ time DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR - History confirms
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him
just because antichrist artist renditions painted Christ having long hair doesn't make it so ...believe antichrist pictures you SEE with your EYES or TRUTH in WORD of God?
---Rhonda on 10/3/08|
Eloy on 2/17/08: have seen Jesus firsthand, and he does have long black hair and a beard, even as the scriptures reveal.
You may have seen an angel. He sound a little different from Jesus that Pontius Pilate seen. His is a written first hand account, to Tiberious Caesar. Original letter in the library in Rome, a copy of this letter is in our library in Washington D.C.
Decsribing: His golden coloured hair and His beard ......
---Trav on 10/3/08|
LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE
(The original of this letter is in the library of Rome. An authenticated copy is in the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.)
Excerpt from letter:, I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told that his name was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden coloured hair and His beard gave to His appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His hearers with their black beards and tawny ..
---Trav on 10/2/08|
Ken: This will come as a surprize to most, it did me. There were letters written from Pilot to the ruler of Rome. Actual copy is in a library in Britian and a copy of this letter is in our Library in the U.S.
These letters describe Jesus. The pictures we see and have been painted are representative most likely of this knowledge. Pretty eye opening to know that some things that should be common knowledge are not. Of course it makes me wonder why. As I mentioned in another post, the proof sometimes is not in what we can see or hear but what is not heard or seen and should be. Why parables. Jesus tells us.
Been gone a couple of days. I'll post reply on N.Covenant, Laws in heart a little while. Not avoiding.
---Trav on 10/2/08|
Jesus Does Have Long Hair.He Is A Nazarene Like Sampson Was.It Was Part Of Their Culture To Have Long Hair. If He Had Short Hair We Would See Pictures Of Him With Short Hair. Imagine That. He Is Remembered As Having Long Hair. Just As He Appeared To Us. Jesus Is The Same yesterday,Today,And Forevermore
---Robby on 10/1/08|
If Jesus had long hair then the Holy Spirit made a mistake(impossible) when he had Paul Write the following,
"First Corinthians 11 :14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" Of
---mima on 10/1/08|
Christ would have been following the Law of Moses. I believe that was to have short hair, and clean shaven.
---Jerry on 10/1/08|
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if Christ had long hair it would not have been necessary for Judas to point him out to the Pharisee's because Christ would have stood out with long hair ...because he looked like all men of that time having short hair it was necessary for Judas to show the Pharisee's who he was
---Rhonda on 9/30/08|
Does it matter?????
---wayne on 9/30/08|
Nobody knows for sure what his hair looks like, I think the Polaroid was invented a few years after he ascended. (thats a joke)
Eloy is half right when he quoted Leviticus. Messiah Yahushua was a Yahudim, a Jew. He followed the Law to the letter as without doubt, regardless of anyone's view of the Law today, it most DEFINITELY was in effect when he walked the earth. Since he lived a sinless life, we know he adhered to the Law. In it, we find Eloy's verse which deals with not trimming the beard. So we know he had a long beard. Unfortunately, the Judges reference was dealing with somebody other than Yahushua, a child who would become a Nazarite. I would be interested in Eloy meeting "Jesus" though.
---ken on 9/30/08|
Of all the biblical issues to discuss this has to be one of the least important.
My personal thoughts on this matter is that Christ looked like the typical Jew of his time.
I do not believe that his hair was long based upon what the Apostle Paul tells us:
1Cor11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
---trey on 9/29/08|
Does it really matter? Drawings are only the imaginations and ideas of the artist. No one alive today knows what Christ looks like.I have seen pictures where Jesus was drawn with long and short hair. This is why images and pictures are considered graven images along with statues of Virgin Mary,Christ and so on. If you enter some churches they do not have pictures and images on their walls.
---Robyn on 9/23/08|
There are no laws concerning dress or hair to the Church, have you not read where Paul argued with the Apostles for trying to impose
Jewish Laws on the gentiles. These scriptures were dealing with problems that came up in the church where pagan Ideas were being brought into the Church. Women shaving their heads
Men dressing like women and braiding their hair with beads and Gold. Women gossiping in the church and causing trouble. Paul was dealing with paganism and perversion not imposing the Law. We are the temple of God and should keep ourselves Holy for the sake of the Spirit God Gave us for he will leave if we don't. But legalism is not a requirement a pure heart is.
---exzucuh on 9/15/08|
Yes, my Jesus the Messiah has long black hair and a beard. Please Read- Leviticus 19:27, Judges 13:5, 16:17, Song of Solomon 5:10-16 and verse 11, Isaiah 50:6.
---Eloy on 9/15/08|
NO jesus did not have long hair that is why the bible says doth not even nature its self teach us that if a man has long hair it is a shame unto him jesus did nothing that was a shame in the old testament scripture it says that the son of man took a sharp stone and consumed his beard and also his hair so jesus had short hair and no beard according to the holy bible.
---gene on 9/14/08|
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the un-righteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators , nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
---Thomas on 9/12/08|
What percentage of men are bald? Wasn't Elijah or Elisha bald? I've seen a lot of depictions of Christ from different races and cultures, but don't think I have ever seen a depiction of him bald, but how about it?
---stephen on 2/18/08|
Jesus was/is a Jew so I am sure that he looked like any other typical Jew of the day. He most likely had dark hair and dark eyes and olive-colored skin. Most the pictures of today dipect him as white, blue eyes and light brown hair. Anyway, he was known for his ministry - not his looks.
---Gophylann on 2/17/08|
I have seen Jesus firsthand, and he does have long black hair and a beard, even as the scriptures reveal. Please read Leviticus 19:27, Judges 13:5, 16:17, Song of Solomon 5:10-16 and verse 11, Isaiah 50:6.
---Eloy on 2/17/08|
For sure most of the early centuries pictures, by man imgination, was long. Why? From eye witness word of mouth, to generation by generation. Most of the time Jesus was against any human law, so if was a shame have it long, for sure Jesus will
checkout this scripture:
-He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him- Isaiah 53
A prophecy that would describes very well the Messiah, is more possible Jesus wearing long than cut/trim hair
---Eric on 2/16/08|
There is enough evidence historically to prove that long hair on men was very common. The law stated that the beard was not to be trimmed. Paul, in l Cor. 11:14 said long hair was a shame, but upon examination of the Greek text, it is questionable that the word "Long" is even there. Paul did go on to say that hair was something we should not argue about.
---john on 9/25/07|
The Shroud of Turin is very clearly a fake. Isaiah 52:14 "...So His visage was marred more than any man..." -- Jesus was so badly beaten that He was not even recognisable as a human being.. it would have been very hard to have looked upon Him. So anything that depicts Him as looking so human is nothing but a fake -- another trick of the Roman Catholic Church to lead people astray.. great will be their condemnation.
---Helen_5378 on 5/16/06|
There is no way of knowing from Scripture whether Jesus had long hair or not. The only thing we can be sure of is that Jesus did have a beard -- "...And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;..." Isaiah 50:6.
---Helen_5378 on 5/16/06|
read Isiah 2-53 Rev 1-14
---betty on 5/16/06|
Most of the picture of Jesus I've seen, of Christ, remind me of a nerd or a mommy's boy. What He actually looked like is really unknown. But, there were no barbar's in that day, so it was likely He had long hair. He did quite a bit of walking, He was a carpenter's son, and this was all hard work, so it's doubtful he was some "weak kneed" person that we often see. Just the physical pain associated with the crucifixtion would take Him out of the "wimp" catagory.
---WIVV on 3/14/06|
To a German, Jesus may look german, Japanese/japanese; Russian/ russian. Italian/italian. When I think what He looked like I see His eyes, heart, hands, heart, words, love..hair is the last thing I even think of. I dont think bible says anything about Jesus if he had long? short hair..
---karin on 2/24/06|
Does it REALLY matter if Jesus had long, or short hair? Did they have scissors then? How did they cut hair? I don't think I've ever seen a depiction of Jesus with short hair.
---NVBarbara on 2/15/06|
2 points of interest.
1/ If you look on the back of the Turin Shroud, the man is wearing a ponytail, very clearly.
2/ In the Talmud, I think, it says that the practice at th time of jesus was for men to have their hair in ponytail.
---mike6553 on 2/13/06|
Steven saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God in heaven. That seems to me to have been a vision given by the Holy Spirit. Acts 7:55 Jesus did also appear to Saul and John. These were not ordinary circumstances, in my opinion. We are more apt to see an angel. Hebrews 13:2
---Ulrika on 2/13/06|
Alan, I was just joking re barbers on strike that's why I gave a non existent reference :))
---A_Catholic on 2/13/06|
I Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
I think this verse is the answer to this silly question. Long hair on a man is shameful. Period.
---Farah_C._Church on 2/13/06|
Elder. No, I'm not suggestiong that the 2 here were stoned. I was referring to Ulrika's statement that she would never believe that anyone could see Jesus. So I pointed out to her that Stephen, when he was stoned saw Jesus. So why wouldn't other people in other circumstances not see him also? I don't believe it is correct for us to think no one could see Him. Stephen did.
---john on 2/13/06|
john are you suggesting that eliza4969 and Eloy were stoned when they thought they saw Jesus? I don't know but what I do know is that when John, in the Revelation, spoke of seeing Jesus He doesn't fit any description listed here.
---Elder on 2/12/06|
Nurse do you consider a 3 piece suit neatly attired? It is interesting that Jesus doesn't consider what we consider. Has it ever occurred to you that nothing ever occurred to Him? The long hair issue must matter, why else would you ask?
---Elder on 2/12/06|
Ulrika. Would you believe Stephen, when he was stoned, that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of the Father?
---john on 2/12/06|
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A Catholic ... No such chapter in my Bible either. Are you sure you meant 11 Corinthians Chap 17? I have never heard of later Corithian chapters being part of the disputed writings, nor have I heard of the barbers strike.
Can you elucidate?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06|
Eloy, I will not believe anyone, who says they saw Jesus.
When Jesus comes, he will not come to earth. The saved dead and alive, with be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. 1Thesslanians 4:15-18 1Corinthians 15:50
Then Christ comes again,to earth this time, before Amageddon. Revelation 16:15,16
Matthew 24:4,5,23-31 Revelation 1:7
---Ulrika on 2/12/06|
A_Catholic why does it not surprise me that your "bible" has a ch 17 in II Cor? If the barbers were on strike had they passed a law that others couldn't cut hair? I haven't been to a Barber in years yet my hair is always trimmed.
Sounds like an excuse for everything. Are you sure that your statements don't belong on the humor blog?
---Elder on 2/12/06|
Elder, when you say "neatly attired" was that a 3 piece suit? Does it really matter IF Jesus had long hair?
---NurseRobert on 2/12/06|
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ulrika, He was Jesus. He touched me and healed me of all the fatal diseases. And from my crying eyes I looked up into his eyes, and Jesus was crowned with a bishop's miter. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal to him myself." Matthew 5:8; John 14:21. The verse that I cited propesies of Jesus' persecution, and he has a beard.
---Eloy on 2/12/06|
No one knows because no one has seen him. Moses had to hide behind a rock and turn his head away because his eyes couldn't contain the glory of God. Those scriptures has nothing to do with Jesus.
---Rebecca_D on 2/11/06|
Orthodox Hebrew practice at the time was a beard. Culturally the practice for men's hair was basically cropped not excessively long, look a Roman sculpture and coinage from that area. Conquered Roman possessions for style and clothing reflected Roman culture remember the were under Greek rule first and the Greek style was cropped men's hair. That is about as much information as I can give you. Christ hair style will in all likely hood reflect that of the period in Palestine
---Phil_the_Elder on 2/11/06|
Elder. Actually, the Greek text says exactly that. "it is a shame for a man to have hair" But it doesn't mean he should be bald. The hair referred to is in the previous verses speaks of the hair given to a lady for her glory and it was embroidered. In that sense it would be a shame for a man to have hair like that. This is just my interpretation.
---john on 2/11/06|
Scripture tells us Jesus will return the same way he left. Acts 1:9-11 1Thessalonians 4:16,17
eliza, Whoever you saw could not have been Jesus. He may have been an angel.
It does talk about Jesus' beard in scripture. Isaiah 50:6
I do not know if the Bible tells how long his hair was.
---Ulrika on 2/11/06|
eliza4969, no I was not dreaming. I was wide awake and calling upon the Lord, and he answered and came into my apartment in person.
---Eloy on 2/11/06|
Eloy, did you dream that you saw Jesus? I did a couple of years ago and he had shoulder length dark brown hair and a beard but the strange thing was he was dressed in Blue Jeans and T-shirt!
---eliza4969 on 2/11/06|
I have seen Jesus firsthand, and he does have long black hair and a beard, even as the scriptures reveal. Please read Leviticus 19:27; Judges 13:5; 16:17; Song of Solomon 5:10-16 and verse 11; Isaiah 50:6.
---Eloy on 2/11/06|
Long hair came from a Nazrite vow, i.e., Samson.
Jesus made no such vow. But if as john says the word long is questionable in l Cor. 11:14 would that mean it is a shame for a man to have hair? Our problem is that we cannot find the operator of the Kodak that took all those pictures of the long haired Jesus. I think Jesus was neatly attired and trimmed.
---Elder on 2/11/06|
In 2 Cor 17:22 it states that during those times, there was a very long strike by barbers and men could not have a haircut.
---A_Catholic on 2/11/06|
I remember this arguement from the 60s when guys started wearing their hair long.
I had the same question then... DOES IT MATTER??
---NurseRoibert on 2/11/06|