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Saved Recognize The AntiChrist

Concerning eschatology; do you believe the church (that is the saved) will recognize the Antichrist before their departure via the rapture?

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Yes, the real Christian knows their Christ from the antiChrist.
---Eloy on 2/28/11


I said nothing about believing in pre-trib rapture.....

read down a few responses
---CraigA on 2/27/11


"There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture."
If this were true, and it isn't, then what does Rev 3:10 mean?
What is the "Hour of temptation" that shall come on all the world?
It is here, for one place, that the church is told it will be kept from the hour of temptation/Jacob's trouble/the Great Tribulation.
---Elder on 2/27/11


Cluny:

You said: Mahometanism says that Jesus (whom they call Isa) will appear on top of a building in Damascus. So we know He won't appear there.

This doesn't follow logically. If a liar tells you "two plus two is four", he may be right on this point, even if he is wrong on many others.
---StrongAxe on 2/28/11


//There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture//

BCV please
---michael_e on 2/28/11




\\Sorry, but Christ coming as "a thief in the night" doesnt describe an event that everyone will witness.
---CraigA on 2/27/11\\

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.
---Cluny on 2/27/11


Sorry, but Christ coming as "a thief in the night" doesnt describe an event that everyone will witness.
---CraigA on 2/27/11


---CraigA, if you read Matthew 24 in whole---Christan.

Im gonna tell you like Ive told Mark many times. If you want to have a civilized mature discussion I will be willing to do that. Do not, however, be presumptious just because I dont agree with you. I have read Matthew many times... ALL the way thru.
---CraigA on 2/27/11


\\---29-51: Christ prophesies of His coming but does not reveal the time and date or even place (the whole world will know). ---\\

It would appear, based on the message of the Angels in Acts 1, and so understood by 2000 years of Christianity, that the place of His return will be the Mount of Olives.

Mahometanism says that Jesus (whom they call Isa) will appear on top of a building in Damascus. So we know He won't appear there.
---Cluny on 2/27/11


---29-51: Christ prophesies of His coming but does not reveal the time and date or even place (the whole world will know). ---

This fits exactly what Im tryin to say IF and ONLY IF you believe in a mid-tribulation rapture (which I do) instead of PRE-trib rapture.
---CraigA on 2/27/11




CraigA, if you read Matthew 24 in whole, you will notice that Christ prophesy of different events that was to come.

Verses 1-2: the final destruction of the temple of Solomon, 3-14: He tells of the tribulations that His people will go through before He comes, 15-28: the continuation of verse 1 and 2 about the destruction of temple and Jerusalem, 23,24 will tell you that's it's not Judgement Day as yet.

29-51: Christ prophesies of His coming but does not reveal the time and date or even place (the whole world will know). Dispensation theology will tell you otherwise, that's why you keep thinking that the antichrist is a particular person. Christ never even once uttered the word antichrist in His teachings at all.
---christan on 2/26/11


mima, are you asking about Thesselonians..concerning the man of perdition, who sits in the temple as though he were God. THAT ati-christ?

I know 99% use the term anti-christ here for the man of perdition. and after that...THAT TEMPLE, will be destroyed? Not the one in 70AD..correct...but the one to be built in the near future...

Maybe that will help clarify that anti-christ or man of perdition and TEMPLE is what has beem prophesied YET TO COME....

Satan made aoffer that if Jesus would bow to him, satan would give Jesus all the Kingdoms...Jesus declined. Satan will again make that offer to someone.

This will be when the (I call too) anti-christ makes a peace agreement with Israel..God calls a covenant of HELL.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/11


Matthew 24:22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Craig, i've yet to find an account if this anywhere that it already happened in 70AD.

Many fail to completely read the text at hand. Continue reading...what happened next?? Or did it happen yet?
---kathr4453 on 2/26/11


He didnt ONLY prophesy of what was gonna happen in 70AD.... thats all Im saying.
---CraigA on 2/26/11


Christan, it sounded like Kat caught on to what I was saying. You didnt.

Jesus said the tribulation he was speaking of would be the worst that the world would ever see. Kat is agreeing with that by saying Jerusalem in 135AD was worse than 70AD just to show that youre "abomination of desolation" isnt the one Christ was talking about.

70AD there was an abomination but not the one mentioned in Daniel (Dan 9:27, 11:31, 12,11) The antichrist ("he"- a man) will make a covenant for 7 years with the Jews and break it half way in, stop sacrifices and set up the abomination that makes desolate.
---CraigA on 2/26/11


kathr, please open your eyes and read my reply to CraigA with understanding (God-willing). I know how much you hate what I believe in and will jump at any opportunity you see fit to interfere with your godless interpretations. It's fine if you have your facts right (as you always accuse others of not having) but it makes you sound like a fool when you butt in without knowledge of my discussion with CraigA.

I was not talking about the "antichrist" which I know you believe is a particular one person. I was pointing to what Christ prophesied in Matthew 24:15-22 which I believe He was referring to in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 and nothing to do with the "antichrist" of yours whatsoever.
---christan on 2/25/11


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Sorry, Mima, for misreading your post. I responded because it didn't sound like you! I missed Watchman's post and saw no quotation marks.
---Donna_Smith on 2/24/11


Let's see, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, NERO was in power. He committed suicide. ( nothing about anti-christ committing suicide!

The destruction of Jerusalem was far worse in 135AD.

christan, you may want to study HISTORY and the facts.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/11


CraigA, I'm sure you are an intelligent person who knows how and when to divide the Word. Rev 8:12 and Matthew 24:15-28 are two different events. But you blindside yourself just because the word "tribulation" is mentioned. Rev 8:12 or chapter 8 is the same as 2 Peter 3:7-18 - which is the Day of the Lord aka Judgement Day.

If it moves you, go read what really happened to Jerusalem in AD70 as prophesied by the Lord in Matthew 24:15-28.
---christan on 2/25/11


---The great tribulation that Christ prophesied in Matthew 24:15-28 was the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 after His crucifixion---Christan

I dont think so ma'am.

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. .
(see also Rev 8:12)

You think NOW is as bad as it will ever get? This is nothing.
---CraigA on 2/24/11


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---CraigA, the antichrist as taught in the Epistle of John does not speak of one particular person but rather who's an antichrist.--- Christan

I said OT prophets. Go read Daniel

"Old Testament prophets make it quite clear it will be ONE man"
---CraigA on 2/24/11


CraigA, the antichrist as taught in the Epistle of John does not speak of one particular person but rather who's an antichrist. John explains, "but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

The great tribulation that Christ prophesied in Matthew 24:15-28 was the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 after His crucifixion. Christ reminded us "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

To the Christian, everyday is a tribulation until His coming.
---christan on 2/24/11


The mount of olives splits in two and water flows out ... thats just for starters,how can you declare no earthly millenium,its no mystery read the book!...as for Scholfield getting his doctrine from a witch...well,that is a dodgy position to be in if he turns out to be right! Another thing: part of the tribulation is the "vial judgements" plainly spoken of by scripture as the wrath of God...good luck with that!
---richard on 2/24/11


\\They are not the same event.\\

Yes, they are.

Denying it won't change the truth.
---Cluny on 2/24/11


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---The Rapture is at the same time as the Second Coming--at the end of the Tribulation---

How do you explain that one coming is described as unexpected and instant and the other is such that all men in the world will see Christ descending and will be very afraid?

They are not the same event.
---CraigA on 2/24/11


Christan, because they arent ONLY reading from one passage of scripture. Old Testament prophets make it quite clear it will be ONE man who heads the fourth kingdom on earth.

If you close your eyes and plug your ears in an attempt to deny something you are too scared to accept as real, you wont see the next object youre about to trip over nor will you hear the warnings of others who see that youre about to fall.
---CraigA on 2/23/11


Donna66 ... Mima was only quoting what "The Watchman" had said ... and in fact did say he could not fully endorse it
---alan8566_of_UK on 2/23/11


\\Let's not Confuse "the Rapture" with "the 2nd Coming", The Rapture will come suddenly then at the end of the 7 yr. Trib. \\

Wrong.

The Rapture is at the same time as the Second Coming--at the end of the Tribulation.

And there is no such thing as an earthly millennium, either.

These are traditions and precepts of men, if not doctrines of demons.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


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--Donna66 it was a watchman who said,"The Rapture will occur before the year 2012, for in that year will The Great Tribulation start." Please reread the post and you will see I was merely quoting. As for myself I'm not certain of 2012 but I do believe we are getting close.
---mima on 2/23/11


Exactly Donna66, to believe the God of Israel is following the pagan Mayan calendar is laughable. Besides how is Temple Mount going to be rebuilt between now and 2012?
Next we'll be asked to believe that Mitt Romney Mormon garbage of Jesus returning to declare Jackson County Missouri the new Jerusalem.
Christians without discernment and wild-eyed prophecies from cults makes for a witches brew.
---larry on 2/23/11


"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist denying the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

"but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world." 1 John 4:3

"I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." 2 John 2:17

The word "antichrist" is only found in the epistle of John. Why are you creating fables outside of John's teaching?
---christan on 2/23/11


Mima--//The Rapture will occur before the year 2012, for in that year will The Great Tribulation start.//

What makes you so certain? how do you know?
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


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My ignorance keeps me from fully endorsing this post, but nevertheless I find it very interesting.
"No, the church as a whole will not know who antichrist will be or is now. The church by the power of the Holy Spirit keeps evil in check even the lawless one/antichrist. The Holy Spirit will not be removed, it is the church that will be removed(those who are faithfull and wait to be raptured home. 2Thess.2:6-8
Some individuals will know, and they are the ones sounding the alarm that The Rapture will occur before the year 2012, for in that year will The Great Tribulation start.
---A_Watchman on 2/21/11
---mima on 2/23/11


I never looked up uni-lateral,unless it means all arabs and jews agreeing to this treaty (even if it is under duress on their part) then maybe the word should have been "comprehensive"...either way the mark of this man is his "ability" to bring this false peace and ultimately to turn against Israel when they refuse to worship him.The very fact that no-one has been able to do this yet,is testimony to what the word says....
---richard on 2/23/11


Of course, does a child raised by their father know whom their father is? so likewise, we Christians whom know our God Christ will also know whom is not our God and whom is antiChrist.
---Eloy on 2/23/11


I think its gonna be just like scripture says. The man of sin will be revealed and he will make war with the saints of God and overcome them. We will be murdered for our faith.
---CraigA on 2/22/11


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\\t is the church that will be removed(those who are faithfull and wait to be raptured home. 2Thess.2:6-8\\

Only AFTER the Tribulation.

Those who think they have bomb-proofs and are going around saying, "Once saved always saved! Going up in the pre-trib rapture. Fixed for time and eternity. Got peace and safety," are the ones upon whom sudden destruction will come AND WILL NOT ESCAPE!
---Cluny on 2/22/11


Richard -- A uni-lateral agreement is one in which only ONE party agrees. A bi-lateral agreement is an agreement between two parties.

I'm not well schooled in prophesy. Do you mean Israel and Saudi Arabia agree to be at peace with each other?
Do you mean Israel and a Middle eastern bloc of countries form a peace treaty with each other?

Yes, either one is hard to imagine presently. There are probably some naive "give peace a chance" types who could believe it and cheer if it happened.

I'd say, look out! Whoever brings it to pass or takes credit for it, is the Anti-Christ.. either that or it is some huge hoax. Neither is good.
---Donna66 on 2/22/11


//This world leader gets Israel and the Arabs to sign a uni-lateral peace agreement//

That is an impossibility ... look in the dictionary for the definition of unilateral
---Pedant on 2/22/11


This world leader gets Israel and the Arabs to sign a uni-lateral peace agreement..nobody else can manage that: so if or when this happens in your life-time be certain that the end is about to unfold!!!!
---richard on 2/22/11


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No, the church as a whole will not know who antichrist will be or is now. The church by the power of the Holy Spirit keeps evil in check even the lawless one/antichrist. The Holy Spirit will not be removed, it is the church that will be removed(those who are faithfull and wait to be raptured home. 2Thess.2:6-8
Some individuals will know, and they are the ones sounding the alarm that The Rapture will occur before the year 2012, for in that year will The Great Tribulation start.
---A_Watchman on 2/21/11


I personally hope and expect that when Jesus comes, he finds us gloriously fighting for his truth, each and everyone of us fully armed and equipped , smashing the troops and squads of the antichrist, as we push our way into towns, communities and villages and secure them for the glory of christ, to make of them a secure shelter and refuge for all those fleeing from the persecution forces to help us fight, while our numbers keep increasing as more and more good hearted people abandon their fear, and decide that Christ is more delighted with those who defy the enemy in his name than with those who rather hide in fear. I've simply had it with fear preaching and I'm looking forward to form a large army or resistance group. Blessings!
---John_Champ on 10/7/10


No Duane, advocating restarting sacrifices is of Antichrist. Christ is the Lamb who ended sacrifices. Start them again you deny HIM. That Prophecy Clearly Reveals Christ. It is why ancient Israel anticipated a Messiah. That Prophecy gives the year of His 1st Advent.

Nero did not come up out of the 10 Divisions of fallen Rome, the Vatican did. ALL PROTESTANT REFORMERS PREACHED THIS...Now the Harlot Daughters of the Mother Church are begining return to her and deny this, clearly foretold in prophecy
---TS on 12/10/07


Christians recognize the spirit of anti-christ already in the world and seen here on blogs many times. They also will recognize the anti-christ that arises and know that they will be delivered at the last trump as the word says.
There will be churches on every corner speaking what man and government allows but true Christians will be worshipping in secret.
When found they will be arrested.
The truth is not politically correct nor easily entreated.
We see the start of that now.
Frank
---Frank on 12/7/07


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Sorry TS,
But the Jews have already made the Instrument to start the Daily Sacrifice again(most are still blinded)and as soon as something happens, they can rebuild the temple, I know alot of people like to say that it was Nero(antichrist), Sorry Nero did'nt make everyone receive a mark to buy sell or trade and there was no way to track everybody. after 1700 yrs. The E.U(old Rome) security council is run by 10 nations/Toes & Isreal is a Nation, What's not to get here???
---Duane_m on 12/7/07


Duane: No 7yr trib
Dan9:27"He shall confirm covenant for ONE WEEK.in midst of the week He shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease" Verse continues about later abominations "tribulation"
WEEK represents 7 yrs you speak. Jesus ministered 3.5 years "In Midst of the Week" He died ending animal "Sacrifices" In Acts Apostles "preached Judea first" another 3.5 yrs before persecution led them to Gentiles
Christ is the midst of the week not Antichrist
---TS on 12/7/07


The saved WILL recognize the antichrist. I do not have a clue about the rapture as I don't know if it is a true Biblical teaching or a teaching of man. But if you are still alive when the antichrist appears, you (christians) will make no mistake.:)
---jody on 12/6/07


Let's not Confuse "the Rapture" with "the 2nd Coming", The Rapture will come suddenly then at the end of the 7 yr. Trib. When darkness covers the Earth, Then The return(2ndComing) for the 1000 yr. reign, Then the Judgment at the Great White throne of God. Raptured(come up here),2nd Coming(return to Earth)
---Duane_m on 12/6/07


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Mima: What you quoted is a Rapture...but let it be known that "As lightning flashes from east to west" "the heavens depart like a scroll" "with the sound of a trumpet" "with a great earthquake" "with the voice of the Archangel, the Dead in Christ arise first"

Pretty loud, bright and rumbling...So where is this "Poof, Hey where did everybody Go" quiet Rapture?
---TS on 12/6/07


NOTICE: That This family claims the title King of Jerusalem(Jews) and their family can be traced back to the romans & they are a KEY figure within the E.U.. "Goggle" Juan Carlos king of Spain and see what you come up with... I DID'NT use numbers or codes to figure this out. I've been searching for over 35 yrs.
YLBD
---Duane_m on 12/5/07


The Church does recognize the Antichrist.You must be in the church first.Read and obey Acts 2:38 and study church history.Be prayerfull and ask the lord to show you.He will."Ask and ye shall recieve..." In JESUS name donaa8388
---donald on 12/5/07


To---Linda3- 1st Thessalonians4:16-17," For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The above verses indicate a rapture(caught up) to me.
---Mima on 12/5/07


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Some faiths believe they already know who the anti christ is so my answer is a partial yes.

Mima what verses do you base the theory of a rapture prior to the second coming on?
---Linda3 on 12/5/07


I think we will ... that's why Revelation tells us pay attention to the number 666 relating to a man ... a law #666 that appoints man to a very power position in the European Union. He's also head of security. To be looked at.
---Nellah on 4/4/06


Angea ,yes there are ,even now,anyone who denies Jesus is the son of God and Savior is AntiChrist. I meant the AntiChrist-The Beast who will require all to have a mark on them to buy and sell. Those who belong to God will refuse the Mark because they know the Word. Revelations13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Shows there will be saved on earth at time of Beast. Jesus's return secret.
---Darlene_1 on 2/19/06


Darlene, there are many antichrists. People or spirits that are against God out there and the bible warns us about them. And to try to discern them.But the Bible plainly says that no one will know who the Antichrist is at the end times before the rapture is going to be. Just like no one knows when Jesus is coming in the rapture. And that Antichrist will be revealed at the rapture. Remember Jesus said no one knows the day or time that he will come.
---angea on 2/18/06


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If Christians couldn't recognize the AntiChrist how could they resist him? God gives His people discearnment of spirits and we are equiped to know what isn't of God. Add to that the fact to accept the AntiChrist or reject him must be a conscious choice. Things may be hidden from nonChristians but not from Christians. Wake up Christians , you will know what you allow yourself to know. You've got a line to Heaven/God to lead you. Prayer/using it keeps you in touch and free.
---Darlene_1 on 2/18/06


No one will know who the anti-christ is until the rapture. And no, our president is not the anti-christ! As stated before, the anti-christ will say that he is the Lord, our president has never said that. He says that he is a born again Christian, and believes in the Lord as his Savior.
---Lissa on 2/18/06


mimi why does your friend think George w. bush is the antichrist?
---eliza4969 on 2/17/06


Who are you talking about that believes George W.Bush is the antichrist, mima? No one knows who the Antichrist will be, and we won't know until the rapture is happening or about to happen. George W. Bush, is a christian. He stands up for our christian faith. And from what I understand,the Antichrist, would be trying to say he was God or Jesus, and when the rapture happens, he will make up lies for all the people disappearing. George Bush isn't saying or telling anyone that he is God or Jesus.
---angea on 2/16/06


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I want to agree with john. Here's a real stinger for you my friend believes the Antichrist is none other than George W. Bush. Not only does he believe that, he has a very persuasive argument.
---mima on 2/16/06


To Linda3; Revelation chapter 3 verse 10
---mima on 2/16/06


The Antichrist will not be allowed to be unleashed and/or revealed until the Church is removed. It is the Holy Spirit that is restraining the antichrist now and will continue to do so until He is taken out of the way. When the Holy Spirit is taken out, the Church will go with Him.
Many may speculate about who antichrist is but the answer is NO. They have no way of knowing for sure. In the 70s it was said that Kissinger was the antichrist. Now most have no idea of who he is/was.
---Elder on 2/16/06


Yes. ll Thes. 2:1-4 says that the man of perdition must first be revealed before the day of the Lord.
---john on 2/16/06


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