Enoch's Writings Missing
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the book of enoch is rightly left out of the canon because it contains corruptions and additions that should not have been there
HOWEVER it does "contain" inspired scripture(the jude reference just one of them)
if god preserves his word it is a contradiction to say that enochs writings are lost
the vatican paid top dollar for the dead sea scrolls that were found in aramaic, and like they have always tried to do in the past, they have kept it away from the public |
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---glen on 10/29/09 |
Colin, Titus 1:12 quotes the Greek philosopher Epimenides: "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." Does that mean that the Greek philosophers are divinely inspired? God bless. |
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---JohnnyB on 4/13/09 |
At 2Peter 2:5 we read that Noah was, "a preacher of righteousness." (NKJV)Remember this, When Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples at Pentecost, it not only enabled them to speak in tongues and heal, but God also inspired them to write things that were not on record, IE: Enoch's words,
and Paul's quoting of Jesus' words, "It is more blessed to give than to receive."
It matters not whether the original writings are available, as long as an inspired prophet or apostle quotes them.
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---Colin on 4/13/09 |
Any writings with Enoch's name on them as the author are pseudonymous. Blessings. |
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---JohnnyB on 4/9/09 |
It is, and is in Jude 1:14. If part, or all, of verses 15 and 16 are a continuation of 14, include them as well. Enoch must have been an interesting preacher, but God has chosen to leave various writings and prophecies out of the Bible, John 21:25. See Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5-6.
Proverbs 3:34-35. -Glenn |
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---Glenn on 4/9/09 |
You will find that some texts which would not have been included if one less person had voted to include it. The Westminster Assembly (1647) formally adopted the list of books contained in our Authorized Version of the Bible.
In every age of the church there have been Christians, eminent for their piety and learning, who either rejected some of these books, or who accepted as canonical books not contained in the Bible. It would be wise to read all books included as well as those excluded and make your own decision. |
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---matt_b on 3/7/09 |
The "Book of Enoch", written about 175BC, is often mistaken to contain the prophecies of Enoch, the seventh from Adam, referred to in Jude 1:14.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, however, lived about 2800 years before this book was reportedly written.
Lucifer is a deceiver and an imitator. This book looks much like his work. It appears to be an imitation of the book of Daniel written about 400 years earlier.
If we believe the scriptures, the author of the "Book of Enoch" (175BC) could not be the same Enoch referred to in Jude 1:14.
To know the truth you must know and believe the scriptures. All revelation comes from God. If you seek him with all your heart you will find Him. |
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---bob on 1/2/09 |
The Bible represents ALL that God wanted us to have.....end of discussion. |
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---Robert on 12/23/08 |
---Yochanon,"There are various books that should have been in the Bible," would seem to be pretty heady words!!!! |
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---mima on 12/23/08 |
There are various books that should have been in the Bible, but many Greco Roman Bishops in charge at the Councils were anti-Semitic and feared the Jewish traditions. At the "same" councils they outlawed SABBOTH and instituted Pagan mixed holidays.
They excommunicated anyone still keeping the Jewish ways. Later protestants took out other Books, just as valuable. Yeshua(Jesus) quoted from Enoch. Even Jude referenced it. |
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---Yochanon on 12/22/08 |
The book of Enoch is not in the Bible because it failed the tests for being included in the official Canon.
The book disagreed with the Old Testament and the synoptic gospels. (Angels do not marry and bear children, etc.)
The book was not written by Enoch at all but was penned under his name. It was a work of fiction.
It was not written by any of the twelve apostles, Paul, or an immediate associate of any of the above. |
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---Adimus on 12/12/08 |
Well, they are over in Genesis. He predicted of the second coming of Christ centuries before our Lord came the first time.>>>Around 100 b.c. a non-canonical book entitled the book of Enoch was written. In 1773 a copy of this work was dicovered. The Apostle Jude was inspired by God to take the words mentioned here in verses 14,15 from this book. Enoch and Noah were fearless preachers of prophecy and righteousness. Thank you! |
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---catherine on 8/13/08 |
One of two things must be true:
1) Jude was referring to the book of Enoch from the Pseudepigrapha. This means that either that book was inspired, or, even if it was not inspired, it was "good enough" for Jude to quote authoritatively from anyway.
2) Jude was referring to some other source of revelation that is now lost to us. Since the Bible includes this quote, but not the source, God must feel that we can manage quite fine without it. (The same applies to many other books that are quoted in one verse or other, but are also lost to us). |
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---StrongAxe on 8/13/08 |
John, the book of Enoch is considered part of the Psudopigrapha. The real author was writing under a nom-de plum. Its date isn't comming to mind, but it was a work writen to be taken from Enoch's perspective if God had revealed all that to him in the achient of days. Jude quotes it under inspiration that dosn't mean Enoch is inspired. |
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---Gilbert on 8/9/08 |
Woops. Sorry, it's not part of the Apocrypha. |
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---john on 7/31/08 |
Actually, there is a book of Enoch. In the Apocrypha. Jude referred to it. I've read it and there are incredible prophecies in it about the flood, the covenant with Abraham, the captivity and exodus of God's people, the temple, the law, the first and second coming of the savior and many more. I was so impressed that I wondered why it was not included. Maybe it was too far out. Jude must have read it.
Moderator - John, those would not be prophecies because those things already occured before the writing of the book. |
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---john on 11/1/07 |
Sorry moderator but how will the Apostles Creed Quiz help me to answer this question? Sorry John I cannot answer because I'm as puzzled as you are. I'm looking forward to some enlightening answers though.
Moderator - There is no book of Enoch just like there is no book of Casear. Bottomline not God inspired writings which would have fit in with the rest of the Bible. |
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---M.A. on 4/19/07 |
The Book Of Enoch reads much like revelation. It talks of apostasy, restoration, the building up of the temple, and the workings of the universe. Enoch is taken up to the heavens by Gabriel to see exactly how the planets and the universe functions. In one interesting section he relates how, from space the earth has five oceans! It is a series of revelations, and until Nicea it was considered scripture by many. |
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---SLCGuy on 3/5/06 |
Moderator. The Scripture I'm referring to is Jude:14-16
Moderator - Can anybody out there expound upon what Enoch is saying? |
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---john on 2/23/06 |
I remember reading several years ago that someone found the Book of Philip. Does anyone have any info on this? |
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---craig on 2/22/06 |
Moderator. I figured those must be prophecies because Jude said they were. This guy died just before the flood. His writings would be before Moses'. He prophecied about most of the main events in the Bible. I thought that since Jude mentioned that he prophecied that I would read them. I found them very interesting.
Moderator - Please give me the scriptures and I will read them. |
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---john on 2/22/06 |
I haven't read all of it, but what I have read was very interesting. It all started in Jude 1:14-15, about Enoch. Some believe it got lost around 1773 but the date of how it came about is unknown. |
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---Rebecca_D on 2/21/06 |
How many have read the book of Enoch? I Have known about a book of Enoch for some time but I never read it because it is not included In holy Scripture. So aware of my ignorance about the book of Enoch I have decided to read it. Who has read it? |
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---mima on 2/19/06 |
They are, they are listed in Jude 1:14-16. Henoch was the first man raptured from the earth by the Lord. "And Henoch lived a godly life, and was no more, for God took him away." Genesis 5:24. |
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---Eloy on 2/17/06 |
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