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Enoch's Writings Missing

Jude 1:14 Says that Enoch, the seventh from Adam prophesied of the comming of the Lord. Why are his writings not in the Bible?

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Anything written by Enoch (the 7th from Adam and father of Methuselah) would have to be extremely ancient, older than the Pentateuch. For Moses wrote: Gen 5:24 "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not, for God took him".

Jude might have read the prophesy in Enoch's writings. But isn't it possible that Moses, living even closer in time to Enoch, could also have been familiar with the same writings. He could have had Enoch's prophesy in mind when he spoke in Gen 33:2.

Obviously, Enoch was a respected and holy man, but that does not mean all his writing was worthy of inclusion in the Bible.
---Donna66 on 2/20/10


Moses said something SIMILAR, but he only said half of what Enoch said. Yet Jude quotes ALL of Enoch 1:9 word for word. So he could't have been quoting Deutronomy 33:2, because otherwise, where did he get the other half from?

Since Enoch lived before the flood, and Moses lived after, Moses may have quoted half of Enoch's prophecy, but Jude quoted it all. The Book of Enoch (also called 1 Enoch) is not in our canon, but was in wide circulation 2000 years ago, and Jude evidently considered it "canonical enough" to quote authoritatively.

You can easily find copies of the Book of Enoch on the web. Don't take my word for it. Look for yourself, and see just what Jude was quoting.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/10

Strongaxe, if you don't mind my answer, the ten thousand saints, in Deut. 33:2, Sini..Seir...Paran, are mountains associated with the giving of the law..Sinai on the South, Seir on the Northeast, and Paran on the North. These mountains provide a beautiful metaphor. God is the light that rises to drive His beams to all the promised land.
"saints" literally "holy ones" is in refernence to the angels who assisted God when the law was mediated to Moses at Mt. Sinai (Acts 7:53, Gal. 3:19, Heb. 2:2). An in Jude 14-15 we are reminded that Enoch prophesied that the Lord will come, at the Second Coming with ten thousand of His saints, could mean believers but here the context is to bring judgment favors Angels.
---MarkV. on 2/19/10


Moses said something SIMILAR, but he only said half of what Enoch said. Yet Jude quotes ALL of Enoch 1:9 word for word. So he could't have been quoting Deutronomy 33:2, because otherwise, where did he get the other half from?

Since Enoch lived before the flood, and Moses lived after, Moses must have quoted half of Enoch's prophecy, while Jude quoted it all. The Book of Enoch (also called 1 Enoch) is not in our canon, but was in wide circulation 2000 years ago, and Jude evidently considered it "canonical enough" to quote authoritatively.

You can easily find copies of the Book of Enoch on the web. Don't take my word for it. Look for yourself, and see just what Jude was quoting.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/10

There is a lot of predictions of the Messiah in the Book of Enoch.

It was also one of the most popular books during the time of Christ.

Very close to be considered scripture and some may have regarded it as such in the first century.

There too many holes in this book to be canonical.
---James on 2/19/10

Strongax, This prophecy penned by Henoch may be regardless to you, but to me Henoch penning this prophecy is relevant and regardful to me.
---Eloy on 2/19/10


Yes, Jude 14-15 is like Deutronomy 33:2, but Jude specifically says Enoch said this, while Deutronomy specifically says Moses said it (regardless of who ACTUALLY wrote it).

So, if these are the same event, either:
1) Deutronomy's author (whoever it was) incorrectly attributed it to Moses
2) Jude incorrectly attributed it to Enoch
3) Moses IS Enoch (making Genesis genealogies wrong)
4) Jude quoted twice as much as is in Deutronomy, so he made extra stuff up
All of these demand that the Bible contain errors.

However, if these are two similar, but different events (like Loaves and Fishes), Jude refers to something not recorded in our canon, but which IS recorded WORD FOR WORD in the Book of Enoch 1:9.
---StrongAxe on 2/18/10

John, Henoch's prophecy in Jude 14,15 about the Lord coming with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all, he recorded in Deuteronomy 33:2 that Moses had spoken this.
---Eloy on 2/18/10


Right. However, since the Bible does not specifically mention him by name, one cannot dogmagically say "he wrote this". The best one can do is to look at other evidence. In many cases, there is strong evidence that one particular individual wrote a specific book (for example, Luke wrote Acts). However, there is no such preponerance of evidence (or any evidence at all) that Enoch wrote any part of the Pentateuch. He is mentioned only briefly in Gen 5:18-24, which are also quoted in two verses in the New Testament. These verses mention his genealogy. None mention him having any role in teaching, writing, recording, or anything else. He MAY have had these, but there is no evidence of it, so belief in it is pure conjecture.
---StrongAxe on 2/17/10

John, his writings are contained in the Bible, but like other writings that were written by others, the common Bible does not specifically entitle each one of his writings with his name.
---Eloy on 2/17/10


Yes, you posted scriptures, but none of them are relevant to the questions at hand.

For example, your scriptures that point to Enoch writing the pentateuch do not even mention his name. Any inference that they DO refer to him is purely subjective and unsubstantiated.

Your scriptures that point to Matthew being an eyewitness to Jesus's birth say absolutely nothing about that either.
---StrongAxe on 2/17/10

Strongax, For the final time, I already posted the scriptures that you have asked for, but you cointinue to refuse them. period.
---Eloy on 2/17/10

If the two witnesses are, in fact, Enoch and Elijah, this fits in well with
Hebrews 9:27:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
since Enoch and Elijah are the only two people in the Bible who are explicitly described as not having died yet.

---StrongAxe on 2/15/10

Interesting point Strongaxe. Since there is no such thing as a Pre Trib Rapture . This hypothesy could make sense.
---James on 2/15/10


It is very easy to see what God said - it is written in plain black and white in the Bible. However, when people make claims about what God said that are NOT plainly written in the bible, it is our DUTY as Christians to demand they show how they arrived at such truth, and not just gullibly take them at face value.

I listen to God's truth as revealed in the Bible. I do not listen to Eloy's truth unless he can show it comes from the Bible rather than personal opinions and revelations. Unfortunately, whenever I ask, rather than being shown chapter and verse, I get screeds about how I am unregenerate and cannot understand truth. I listen to your truth whenever you demonstrate that it is INDEED truth and not just opinion.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/10

Strongax, God's word without scrutiny is The Truth, and only the foolish, like satan will question: "Did God say?...when he knows full well that God did indeed say, will scrutinize God's word. It is for me to preach the truth, and it is for the hearer to either accept the truth or else to reject the truth, and plainly you are one of them whom chooses to reject, and that is your free choice. And if you choose to reject the truth I preach, then you should cease asking of me for the truth: for continual asking of me serves you know good, when you knowingly are going to reject that which comes from me. When you are ready to truly want to know, then ask of me, otherwise you can receive nothing.
---Eloy on 2/15/10

Donna66, A-men. The proven prophets from God needed to ratify or refuse every writing prsented to them according to God's word. When the writing was verified to be from a holy man, and was of sound doctrine lining up with the holy Scriptures, and the writing contained God's Holy Spirit, it was received as knowingly coming straight from God. But if the author was questionable, and the content contradicted already established sound doctrine proven to be from God, then it was rejected as mere scholarship or secularized compostion not spoken from God, as is: the apocrypha, and pseudepigrapha, and stories of fiction, and encyclopedias, and dictionaries: all of which are NonScripture, and NonDictations from God, and NonInspired or NonSpoken by God.
---Eloy on 2/15/10

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John did you not read all of v14? It says Enoch prophesied "saying." Prophesy could be Foretelling the truth or Forth telling the truth. Or to make it simple, telling forth the truth. Today we only forth tell the truth. We can not foretell what is going to happen in the future. Enoch forth told the truth as the Bible says he did here. It does not say he wrote anything.
Plus, you have all of the written Word you need to believe what you need to believe about Christ.
Don't get so caught up on "things" of no value.
---Elder on 2/15/10

If the two witnesses are, in fact, Enoch and Elijah, this fits in well with
Hebrews 9:27:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
since Enoch and Elijah are the only two people in the Bible who are explicitly described as not having died yet.

(On the other hand, there are still all those who are similarly caught up at the rapture without experiencing death...)
---StrongAxe on 2/15/10

Although there are several interpretations regarding the Two Witnesses mention in the Book of Revelation, one view among the Early Church Fathers was that it will be Enoch and Elijah, and that is the teaching of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and other Eastern Churches.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/15/10

"but apparently his writings are not consistant enough with the 66 books of the Bible to be included in the Canon." (Donna)

Only a small majority of Christians believe that the Holy Bible contain only 66 books. The Church, from the 1st-5th century, has never, never, infallibly proclaim that the Canon of the Holy Bible should be limited to 66 books. His writings (Enoch) was not accepted by the Early Church because it was not received as canonical writing since the Apostolic Era. It stood outside of Church's Holy Tradition. It has nothing to do with it not being consistant with a "66" book Bible.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/15/10

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Remember that Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses who will be killed by the Antichrist.

What scripture do you base this on?
---James on 2/15/10


You claim that the truth above scrutiny. Yet the Bible itself says again and again that all truth should be established by two or three witnesses.

Truth is not afraid to be seen and examined in the light of day, since those do DO see it closely will see that it is, indeed, the truth.

It is only error and deceit that hides in the dark and refuses to be examined, lest close examination show it for what it really is.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/10

There are numerous writings of Biblical times, but not all have equal value. They may make interesting reading, but not all are worthy for use in teaching about God.

About the only time I hear the "book of Enoch" mentioned is when it disagrees with scripture as we know it. Enoch may have prophesied the coming of the Lord, along with quite a few others, but apparently his writings are not consistant enough with the 66 books of the Bible to be included in the Canon.
---Donna66 on 2/14/10

Strongax, The Truth indeed is perfect and above reproach, and unscrutiniable by sinners who know not the Truth.
---Eloy on 2/14/10

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You said: these are the antiChrists and have no part of my body nor of the Spirit of Christ.

Scriptures define "antichrist": One who denies Father and Son (1 John 2:22), or does not confess Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7). While several people disagree with you, I don't recall most of them denying Father or Son.

Saying my body rather than body of Christ, sounds like you claim to be Christ. While we are encouraged to be be one WITH Christ, we are ourselves NOT Christ. Equating oneself with God (unless, like Jesus, one actually IS God), is blasphemy and strong delusion. This is why Pharisees picked up stones when Jesus said "the Father and I are one".
---StrongAxe on 2/14/10

Markv, so what: when many sinners say Yes to sin, when I say No, that is their own judgment, but there are still many which agree with the gospel I preach and thereby they repent and become saved. My years of experience in sharing the gospel with sinful flesh has taught me that for some no matter how much and in what manner you serve up the gospel to them, they will still reject it, these stubboen ones I leave to their own stubbornness, and I continue on to glean the other fields in the hopes of saving some for the Kingdom. For the Lord of me says that we evangelists will not have gone through all the cities before he comes again.
---Eloy on 2/14/10

Eloy, there is many who will yes, when you say no, and will say no, when you say yes. The reason there is is because many of the things you bring out are false. I am not saying everything, for you have many great points. But you have many bad ones. You said Jesus did not die for sinners, and instead of giving me an answer you tell me I don't know, and that you gave me the Truth. But you never answered the question just as you did to Strongaxe. When you don't explain why you said what you did, you are assuming everything you say cannot be questioned. And as we can see you have made many mistakes already in life, how do you know you are not making more? Have you stopped making mistakes?
---MarkV. on 2/14/10


Yes, truth stays the same, and is always subject to scrutiny in the light of day. You often make strange claims about scripture, yet when I ask for proof (i.e. chapter and verse), you either remain silent, or provide scriptures that do not in any way even mention what you claim (for example, the verse that "proves" Enoch wrote the pentateuch does not mention his name as ALL), or say your proof has already been presented. Note I have never accused you of error - merely challenged you to provide proof for your truth, which you rarely do.

Yet I am not the only one who says this. Others have also noticed the same deficiencies in your claims, and asked the same questions. I have two or more witnesses. Do you?
---StrongAxe on 2/14/10

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Strongax, No matter how many times you ask of me the same things, the answer will always be the same: for the truth will not change, no matter how much a person desires a different answer, different than the everlasting truth. I provide you that what you ask for, but because you hate the light you refuse the light I preach. You should cease asking of me, when you do not really want to know. Indeed you will see some on this site that are so far gone that when I say Yes, they will say No: and when I say No, then they will say Yes, these are the antiChrists and have no part of my body nor of the Spirit of Christ: And their minds are so blinded from the truth that no matter how many times I present the gospel to them they are not able to see it.
---Eloy on 2/14/10


When I ask for proof from scriptures (rather than merely your own conjectures) all you do is complain that I don't accept your own unproven assertions.

I keep asking you to show that you, indeed, have water. Yet rather than doing so, you just complain that I'm not drinking it.

Everything is proven by two witnesses, NOT by one witness yelling twice as loud.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/10

Cluny, many false churches accept nonInspired writings as though they were Scripture, but that is their sin, and the names of the two witnesses in the Apocalypse are not named in the book of Revelation.
---Eloy on 2/13/10

Strongax, as I have said before, I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot make you drink. lit.Gk: "But if indeed being covered the gospel from us, in them being lost it stands covered: In whom the deified who's of this age blinded the intelligence of the unbelieving, onto not the dawning on them the brightness of glad tidings, which glory of Christ, who stands portraying who's God." II Corinthians 4:3,4.
---Eloy on 2/13/10

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FWIW, the Ethiopian Tawehdo Church--oldest Church in the world after Jerusalem--considers the Book of Enoch to be canonical.

Remember that Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses who will be killed by the Antichrist.

In other words, they are NOT in their glorified bodies, which we receive when we are raptured.

Therefore, THEY have not been raptured, either.
---Cluny on 2/12/10


Do you have the FAINTEST shread of evidence that Enoch wrote the pentateuch over Moses?

I read Dt 33:2. But what evidence that ENOCH wrote it? Nothing points to HIM, anyone else could have written it. You suggest Enoch went to heaven, and now comes and goes as he pleases (SOMEBODY had to give the Pentateuch to us). While this may be true, it is all wild speculation.

Sure, God COULD have sent him back. He COULD have made the moon out of green cheese. He COULD have created unicorns who refused to get on the Ark. Jesus COULD have married Mary Magdalene and had children (as freemasons believe). Many things COULD have happened.

But without ACTUAL evidence, it is utter foolishness to believe any of these are true.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/10

Strongax, Being raptured does not mean we never have access to earth again. On the contrary, Henoch is still alive, and when we abide in heaven we also can visit earth. Have you not read about Moses and Elijah appearing on earth again and talking with Jesus when he was on the earth? The heavenly body is not earthly and we can travel wheresoever we please without any impediments nor gravities of earth. And I have already posted the evidence that Henoch wrote scripture in that Jude details for us in the New Testament of Henoch's prophecy recording Moses' blessing about the ten thousands of Israel's offspring coming with the Lord to judge the ungodly, and Jude knew of Henoch's prophecy because he read about it in Deuteronomy 33:2.
---Eloy on 2/12/10

francis, they are all NonScriptural writings from man, just as dictionaries and concordances and text books and comic books are NonScriptural writings.
---Eloy on 2/12/10

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How could Enoch have possibly written any part of the Pentateuch (other than possibly a small part of Genesis), since he was taken into heaven (Genesis 5:24), and the rest happened hundreds of years after that?

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Enoch actually wrote any part of the Bible?

It is very easy to write a book about what happened before one was born - just go by what people before you wrote. Most bibles we have today are just copies of other copies written a few decades earlier, etc.

But writing a book about what will happen AFTER you are gone is totally different. The Bible DOES have a few examples of this, but they are clearly marked as prophecies and visions, NOT disguised as history.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/10

strongax, Jude did not write about a "Book" of Enoch. Henoch wrote Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, and not Moses. Moses was not even born yet until 2,589 years after Adam was created. The first books document the record of Moses, but in reading them you can see that it is not written in the first person, as, "I told Pharaoh...", but instead it is written, "Moses told Pharaoh..."(Ex.5:1). Now Henoch was raptured by God when he was 365 years old, and so he could record the Scriptures of what Moses both said and did. And this would explain Enoch's prophecy which he recorded that Moses had spoken in Jude 14,15+ Deuteronomy 33:2.
---Eloy on 2/11/10

The Gospel of Mary
The hidden gospel of Mark
The Gospel of Peter
The Gospel of Thomas
The Book of Enoch

What do these all have in common?
---francis on 2/11/10


Enoch is mention in the old testament only in Genesis 4 and 5. Nowhere in there is any prophecy, let alone a prophecy of the coming of the Lord. Such a prophecy must be described elsewhere (for example, in the apocryphal Book of Enoch).


Whether or not the Book of Enoch is considered canonical or not, Jude considered it authoritative enough to quote authoritatively. He was not quoting it as one would quote a work of fiction (i.e. "The book of Enoch says that Enoch prophesied...") but rather as a fact (i.e. "Enoch prophesied...")

There are many other non-canonical works quoted in the Bible in a similar manner. Some of them have survived, and others are lost to us.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/10

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francis, There indeed is a Book of Enoch on the open market. The Book of Enoch is non-canonical and considered pseudepigrapha in most Christian churches.
---Eloy on 2/10/10

There is no "book of Enoch"
It is the life of enoch as written by Moses that bears this testemony / prophecy.

Look at what paul wrote about melchedeck in hebrews, you would think that Paul actually met the man.
---francis on 2/10/10

exzucuh, A-men. Unregenerate man has already put together their own uninspired literature and have called it Scripture, but all devout men and women of God know that it is bunk, this includes the Apocrypha, the Septuagint, the Pseudepigrapha, the myths and fables and legends of lore, and all the books of all religions of the world. You will be able to find scattered throughout some of these writings some tidbits of scripture, but they are on the whole proven to not be inspired from God, and these books were not written by the names of the books they bear.
---Eloy on 2/10/10

The Book of Enoch was one of the most widely read books in the 1st century and BC. It came very close many times to be included in the Bible.
---James on 2/9/10

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Professor James H Charlesworth of the Princeton Theological Seminary is one of the dominant American scholors on OT and NT Pseudepigraphic literature most of his books are available on Amazon.

You can find information on the Enoch Seminars bay doing a search on Google or following the link on Charlesworth page on Wikipedia.
---Friendly_Blogger on 2/6/10

we should not assume Jude was quoting from a written source,the only reference to Melchisedek before David wrote Psalm 110 was a brief sentance or two by Moses in Genesis..John wrote the book of Revelation as it was revealed to him by Jesus,and it pulls together scripture from all through the bible..John and David therefore ,gave us "progressive revelation"on the scriptures as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
---richard on 2/5/10

Most people who are ignorant of the truth find a lot of things acceptable that is why God chose the people he wanted to deliver the correct scripture to his church.
---exzucuh on 12/30/09

I never read a single thing in Enoch that contradicted the Bible.

It just seemed to fill in the gap in Genesis.
An interesting read if you ask me. Not something I believe needs to be added to the Bible however.

I always wondered why God destroyed the animals along with man in the great flood. If anything the book of Enoch left me with a greater understanding of why God wiped everything out. I always saw the flood as kind of harsh before I read Enoch.
---JackB on 12/29/09

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The red letters in your new testament are the only words that can give you abundant life and
and eternal life. Jesus said My words are spirit and they are life. John chapter 15 says if those words live in you, you can ask the Father for what ever you will and he will give it to you. The book of Enoch does not line up with the teachings of Jesus and that is why it is not in the Bible. Ideas that are contrary to the words of Jesus are lies. That is how you know the truth from a lie. Even if the idea is from something in the Bible, If it contradicts Jesus it is a perverted or manipulated understanding of Scripture.
---exzucuh on 12/28/09

You don't need the book of Enoch to learn more about Enoch. Look up the Book of Jasher, also referenced in the Old Testament twice.
Enoch was very knowledgable and wise and taught his wisdom before riding off in a chariot of fire!
---Leah on 12/27/09

the book of enoch is rightly left out of the canon because it contains corruptions and additions that should not have been there
HOWEVER it does "contain" inspired scripture(the jude reference just one of them)
if god preserves his word it is a contradiction to say that enochs writings are lost
the vatican paid top dollar for the dead sea scrolls that were found in aramaic, and like they have always tried to do in the past, they have kept it away from the public
---glen on 10/29/09

Colin, Titus 1:12 quotes the Greek philosopher Epimenides: "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." Does that mean that the Greek philosophers are divinely inspired? God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/13/09

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At 2Peter 2:5 we read that Noah was, "a preacher of righteousness." (NKJV)Remember this, When Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples at Pentecost, it not only enabled them to speak in tongues and heal, but God also inspired them to write things that were not on record, IE: Enoch's words,
and Paul's quoting of Jesus' words, "It is more blessed to give than to receive."
It matters not whether the original writings are available, as long as an inspired prophet or apostle quotes them.
---Colin on 4/13/09

Any writings with Enoch's name on them as the author are pseudonymous. Blessings.
---JohnnyB on 4/9/09

It is, and is in Jude 1:14. If part, or all, of verses 15 and 16 are a continuation of 14, include them as well. Enoch must have been an interesting preacher, but God has chosen to leave various writings and prophecies out of the Bible, John 21:25. See Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5-6.

Proverbs 3:34-35. -Glenn
---Glenn on 4/9/09

You will find that some texts which would not have been included if one less person had voted to include it. The Westminster Assembly (1647) formally adopted the list of books contained in our Authorized Version of the Bible.
In every age of the church there have been Christians, eminent for their piety and learning, who either rejected some of these books, or who accepted as canonical books not contained in the Bible. It would be wise to read all books included as well as those excluded and make your own decision.
---matt_b on 3/7/09

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The "Book of Enoch", written about 175BC, is often mistaken to contain the prophecies of Enoch, the seventh from Adam, referred to in Jude 1:14.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, however, lived about 2800 years before this book was reportedly written.

Lucifer is a deceiver and an imitator. This book looks much like his work. It appears to be an imitation of the book of Daniel written about 400 years earlier.

If we believe the scriptures, the author of the "Book of Enoch" (175BC) could not be the same Enoch referred to in Jude 1:14.

To know the truth you must know and believe the scriptures. All revelation comes from God. If you seek him with all your heart you will find Him.
---bob on 1/2/09

The Bible represents ALL that God wanted us to have.....end of discussion.
---Robert on 12/23/08

---Yochanon,"There are various books that should have been in the Bible," would seem to be pretty heady words!!!!
---mima on 12/23/08

There are various books that should have been in the Bible, but many Greco Roman Bishops in charge at the Councils were anti-Semitic and feared the Jewish traditions. At the "same" councils they outlawed SABBOTH and instituted Pagan mixed holidays.

They excommunicated anyone still keeping the Jewish ways. Later protestants took out other Books, just as valuable. Yeshua(Jesus) quoted from Enoch. Even Jude referenced it.
---Yochanon on 12/22/08

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The book of Enoch is not in the Bible because it failed the tests for being included in the official Canon.

The book disagreed with the Old Testament and the synoptic gospels. (Angels do not marry and bear children, etc.)

The book was not written by Enoch at all but was penned under his name. It was a work of fiction.

It was not written by any of the twelve apostles, Paul, or an immediate associate of any of the above.
---Adimus on 12/12/08

Well, they are over in Genesis. He predicted of the second coming of Christ centuries before our Lord came the first time.>>>Around 100 b.c. a non-canonical book entitled the book of Enoch was written. In 1773 a copy of this work was dicovered. The Apostle Jude was inspired by God to take the words mentioned here in verses 14,15 from this book. Enoch and Noah were fearless preachers of prophecy and righteousness. Thank you!
---catherine on 8/13/08

One of two things must be true:

1) Jude was referring to the book of Enoch from the Pseudepigrapha. This means that either that book was inspired, or, even if it was not inspired, it was "good enough" for Jude to quote authoritatively from anyway.

2) Jude was referring to some other source of revelation that is now lost to us. Since the Bible includes this quote, but not the source, God must feel that we can manage quite fine without it. (The same applies to many other books that are quoted in one verse or other, but are also lost to us).
---StrongAxe on 8/13/08

John, the book of Enoch is considered part of the Psudopigrapha. The real author was writing under a nom-de plum. Its date isn't comming to mind, but it was a work writen to be taken from Enoch's perspective if God had revealed all that to him in the achient of days. Jude quotes it under inspiration that dosn't mean Enoch is inspired.
---Gilbert on 8/9/08

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Woops. Sorry, it's not part of the Apocrypha.
---john on 7/31/08

Actually, there is a book of Enoch. In the Apocrypha. Jude referred to it. I've read it and there are incredible prophecies in it about the flood, the covenant with Abraham, the captivity and exodus of God's people, the temple, the law, the first and second coming of the savior and many more. I was so impressed that I wondered why it was not included. Maybe it was too far out. Jude must have read it.

Moderator - John, those would not be prophecies because those things already occured before the writing of the book.
---john on 11/1/07

Sorry moderator but how will the Apostles Creed Quiz help me to answer this question? Sorry John I cannot answer because I'm as puzzled as you are. I'm looking forward to some enlightening answers though.

Moderator - There is no book of Enoch just like there is no book of Casear. Bottomline not God inspired writings which would have fit in with the rest of the Bible.
---M.A. on 4/19/07

The Book Of Enoch reads much like revelation. It talks of apostasy, restoration, the building up of the temple, and the workings of the universe. Enoch is taken up to the heavens by Gabriel to see exactly how the planets and the universe functions. In one interesting section he relates how, from space the earth has five oceans! It is a series of revelations, and until Nicea it was considered scripture by many.
---SLCGuy on 3/5/06

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Moderator. The Scripture I'm referring to is Jude:14-16

Moderator - Can anybody out there expound upon what Enoch is saying?
---john on 2/23/06

I remember reading several years ago that someone found the Book of Philip. Does anyone have any info on this?
---craig on 2/22/06

Moderator. I figured those must be prophecies because Jude said they were. This guy died just before the flood. His writings would be before Moses'. He prophecied about most of the main events in the Bible. I thought that since Jude mentioned that he prophecied that I would read them. I found them very interesting.

Moderator - Please give me the scriptures and I will read them.
---john on 2/22/06

I haven't read all of it, but what I have read was very interesting. It all started in Jude 1:14-15, about Enoch. Some believe it got lost around 1773 but the date of how it came about is unknown.
---Rebecca_D on 2/21/06

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How many have read the book of Enoch? I Have known about a book of Enoch for some time but I never read it because it is not included In holy Scripture. So aware of my ignorance about the book of Enoch I have decided to read it. Who has read it?
---mima on 2/19/06

They are, they are listed in Jude 1:14-16. Henoch was the first man raptured from the earth by the Lord. "And Henoch lived a godly life, and was no more, for God took him away." Genesis 5:24.
---Eloy on 2/17/06

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