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Adam Head Over Eve

Adam was the head. Adam was the first one created. But Eve took of the forbidden fruit first. So do you think GOD put man over woman because of that? I think so.

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 ---Shel on 2/18/06
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Nikki::How do you think that Sherlok Holmes was able to gain admittance to heaven?. St Peter told, him if you are able to pick out the first man God created, he was in: so he picked out Adam the guy with a flowing white beard & St Peter asked how do you know & he replied he is the only one without an umbilical cord.Catholic joke.
---Emcee on 2/26/08


I always wondered if Adam had a navel. The creations story is so complex. It is a metaphor of the human condition.
---Niki on 3/22/07


Elder, your answer was great. I didn't think about what Eve had said. That is a mistake many make when they listen what others say in Scripture. Though all Scripture is God inspired, what men says is not always true, and what Satan says is always deceitful. But what God says, it is always Truth. A great requirement for the reader of Scripture, not to add to it, and to remind ourselves who is speaking at the time and whom they are speaking too. Thank you for the reminder and for the explanation.
---Lupe2618 on 2/23/06


Thanks, Elder. Especially the last statement. You might want to elaborate more on that in my "our reasoning" blog question.
---Fred_S. on 2/22/06


Fred to answer your question, No. Adam took the fruit willingly. Notice how tricky Satan is. You quoted what Eve said about the tree but that is not what God told them.
They actually had the duty of tending the Tree so they COULD touch it. They just were not allowed to partake of the fruit. Sin starts in our mind and thoughts.
That is why it is important to listen to exactly what God says and not add anything from our own mind. No matter how good it may sound.
---Elder on 2/22/06




Read what Lupe said. Now, If you knew what Adam did, would you purposely partake with Eve? Hey, not seduced but EWO (eyes wide open)? NOT. Unless there was another reason. Your wife was tricked. You know the Creator. You hope if you partake He will forgive both of you. Make sense? Adam was not deceived. He loved his wife and committed the sin with her. Adultry? Reclaiming his wife?
---mikefl on 2/21/06


Gen. 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the TREES of the garden: 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree ....... Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree..... and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Could Eve possibly mixed the forbidden fruit with the other fruits and Adam unknowingly ate it?
---Fred_S. on 2/21/06


Regarding apportioning blame. All down the ages people have been taught that Eve ate the 'apple'. This is repeated with almost no mention of the fact that Adam ate it also. More importantly it is only those of us who read scripture who know that God actually told Adam BEFORE He had created Eve that this particular fruit must not be eaten. For centuries Eve has taken the blame. Just now and then someone comes forward and shows that there is a little bit more to the story than that.
---emg on 2/21/06


3. His act, in reality, was wilful, defiant rebellion, and by it he openly transfered his allegiance from God to Satan. I, as Barbara, don't believe Adam was with Eve at the time of her sin, but by following Eve, he followed her advice and not God's. I don't believe that God put Adam before Eve because of her weakness, but because God established her role as part of His original creation, (1 Tim. 2:13).
---Lupe2618 on 2/21/06


2. It was this deliberate wilfullness of man's sin which constituted its heinous character. Had he been attacked by Satan, and forced to yield through some overwhelming power being brought against him, we could try to find an excuse for his fall. But, when, with eyes WIDE OPEN, and with mind perfectly conscious and fully aware of the awful nature of his act, he used his free will to respond to the claims of the creature (EVE), in defiance of the Creator, no excuse can be found for his fall.
---Lupe2618 on 2/21/06




Adam was not tempted by Satan in direct way...Eve was tempted by Satan, and Eve fell, being deceived. But we have evidence to prove that Adam was not deceived (1 Tim. 2:14). He was caught by no deceivitfulness of Satan, but that which he did, he did wilfully and deliberately. And in the full consciousness of what he was doing, and with a perfect realization of the consequences which were involved, he deliberately chose to follow his wife in her act of sinful disobedience.
---Lupe2618 on 2/21/06


Hey, Adam was deceived by his "wife", but it took the devil himself to deceive Eve! (just kidding). Why is it important to blame one person more than the other. Both had the power to say NO. They didn't. And we all have suffered the consequences ever since.
---Donna on 2/20/06


Barbara, if you read that story, you will see that the serpent tempted, Eve ate, and gave also to Adam, who was with her. Gives me the impression that he was there with her the whole time, and didn't speak up.
---Ann5758 on 2/20/06


Elder I think we both have perfect wives. Now if we could learn to be that perfect.
---Rev_Herb on 2/20/06


Gen. 3:16
Unto the woman he (God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband (Adam), and he shall rule over thee (Eve).
---Fred_S. on 2/20/06


This toilet seat thing is getting flushed by me. If you really CARED for your mate like the Bible says you wouldn't care how the seat was left. Is the problem that women and men can't tell where a simple toilet seat is? Well, back to potty training for those who can't. I have been married for 30 years on July 3rd. Five more years and the Honeymoon will be over and then we can start the marriage.
Herb, you met her, don't you think I've got the perfect wife? Partners do for each other.
---Elder on 2/20/06


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First off, Eloy was right. That's scary. LOL! Secondly, passing the buck is not going to cut it with God. Saying my spouse made me do it, does not get you any where. God punnished the serpant,the woman, and the man.He took into account the degree of their blame. Adults are resonsable for their own actions. The husband is still the head of his wife. With that position comes responsability.
---Ulrika on 2/20/06


We should not have expected Adam to stop Eve from eating on the basis that he was over her, because she was not to be in subjection at that point. However, he should have reminded her that they had been told not to eat simply because he KNEW that and could see that she was ignoring what God had told him and which he had obviously passed on to her. He did not and chose to eat also. The excuse that he did it out of love because he couldn't bare to live without her would be laughable were it not so sick.
---M.A. on 2/20/06


I believe that all scripture goes back to the Lordship of Jesus over His betrothed. The first Adam was to rule over over fis wife Eve, as an example that the second Adam, the Lord from heaven shall rule over the church. In other words, the church and man do not have the say in what the word of God means or how the kingdom of God is run. Jesus died and arose from the dead to have all say over His wife.In His kingdom, His wife is not equal to him. Vashti shows what happens to rebellious wives.
---Katherine on 2/20/06


Herb: Men don't fall in if the seat is left down.
---Madison on 2/19/06


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Why did Adam eat the fruit? Lets look at it from another view point: Why is it ok for a woman to complain when a man leaves a toilet seat up but if a man is not suspose to complain if the woman leaves it down. Why is this?
---Rev_Herb on 2/19/06


your thinking is in error. Adam was never made for woman, the woman was made for the man, to be his helpermate.
---Eloy on 2/19/06


Adam was not around when Eve was tempted, she was alone with the serpant, and she gave in to temptation.
Adam had told her what God had said about not eating the fruit, but he then joined her in sin. After that he wimped out and even tried to blame God! "Its the woman thou gavest me." Not taking any blame, nor putting it all on Eve.

Do you think if they had asked for forgiveness, God would have forgiven and kept them in the garden?
---NVBarbara on 2/19/06


How interesting that responses here which criticize the weak, spineless, irresponsible Adam for not taking charge and stopping Eve from eating the fruit are from contributors who, on other blogs, have said that husbands have no business telling their wives what they should or shouldn't do. Perhaps Eve gave Adam a similar speech so he tried to be a good husband by not being domineering, allowing her to make her own decisions, be her own person, support endeavors she felt called to. He'd be a hero today.
---ralph7477 on 2/19/06


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Shel, 1Timothy 2:13,14 Genesis 3:1-6,13,16
---Ulrika on 2/19/06


Why didn't Adam stop Eve from eating the fruit. He was right there with her. If a man loves his wife and sees her heading head first into sin, wouldn't he stop her in love. Adam did no such thing. He watched her sin and then joined her in it. He did not show love for her, for if he did, he would have stopped her from taking the fruit in the first place.
---Madison on 2/19/06


MA it doesn't matter how we view it Herb's statement is what the Bible says.
Because Eve allowed herself to be deceived, as she could have called her husband and talked this thing over, women were made to be subject to authority and have pain in child birth.
Because Adam chose sin, death, both spiritual and physical was passed onto all men.
We don't have to make the choice of which was worse. God made it for us.
---Elder on 2/19/06


M.A. Willful sin is no better than being deceived. Adam was married to Eve and Adam not willing to live forever while his wife died took the fruit. Yes Adam did wrong, but it was Eve that was deceived. Women today are being deceived into believing they are called to be pastors of churches when the bible so clearly states they are not.

What would the children be like with Adam who did not eat and Eve who did? What would have happened if they one child before eating the fruit and the rest after?
---Rev_Herb on 2/19/06


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wo-man was started from man. Woman is not man's equal, but rather is a helpmate, someone to be alongside of, or you could say companion to. The reason the Adam eat of the fruit, with full knowledge that he was not supposed to, is because he did not want to depart(or separate himself) from his mate. Does this episode have sexual overtones? I think yes!! Oh how beautiful a good wife(helpmate) is.
---mima on 2/19/06


Herb,sorry, laughed at "woman is more easily deceived"-"why man is head". How I see it. Adam was disobedient, weak-kneed, with no loyalty to God or backbone strength to stand for right. Eve was deceived but Adam was a slacker. Didn't do his job. God commanded him before Eve was created,not to eat the fruit,she knew, but Adam was in charge of Garden. Instead of protecting Eve he easily ate,thats why God had to force him to be her protecter/caretaker, the man he should've been already.
---Darlene_1 on 2/19/06


So Herb, do you think that willfully sinning is more noble than being deceived? Hm. Yes Shel, Eve did TAKE the fruit first but Adam was the one TOLD, by God personally, not to take it. So where does that leave us?
---M.A. on 2/19/06


Adam was not deceived into taking the fruit. He, knowing the outcome took the fruit willingly. The woman was deceived. The woman is more easily deceived than man, that is why man is to the the head.
---Rev_Herb on 2/19/06


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It's a good question...but I don't think just because God created Adam first that made him be over the woman. I heard this from a pastor: God didn't take a bone from Adam's head (so that the woman would be the head) nor did he take from his leg (to be a ruler over the woman) but he took one of his ribs from his side to be his equal mate Gen.2,21
---Dawn on 2/19/06


Only those people who do not believe that creation happened the way the bible states believe that Adam had a 'belly button'. The 2 go together, you either believe it or you don't. B.T.W. Eve wouldn't have had one either. Sorry ~ Shel, this hasn't answered your question but there are several similar questions dealing with this already on this website with lots of answers and opinions. Hope you can find them.
---M.P. on 2/19/06


In one sense Adam is the example of sinful man and Eve as sinful woman. The Lord is the man or head that rules over the woman, or church.It was a type and shadow in some respects that the Lord rules over His church and her desires should be to Him. Not this world, or what is appealing to the eye. The woman taking the forbidden fruit shows that the church and man will always be at fault and not the Lord.The Lord is without sin.
---Frank on 2/19/06


True Eve took of the forbidden fruit first, but Adam was with her. Go read Genesis and you will find Adam had the chance to forbid Eve and be in charge, he chose not to. So, God did not use that situation to put Adam over woman. Man is not over woman he is the Christian leader in the home. He should be committed totally to God before he tries to rule his wife. jb
---Jenelle on 2/19/06


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