ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Catholic Becomes A Mason

As a Catholic, would it be wrong for me to become a Mason?

Join Our Free Penpals and Take The Paganism Bible Quiz
 ---juancarlos on 2/24/06
     Helpful Blog Vote (16)

Post a New Blog



Strongax, I translate, and what you said is not true, for most words are tranlated into one word, for example, the word "kosmon" is incorrectly translated "world" in many places, when in Greek it also means "order, harmony", opposite of chaos, disorder, discord, and therefore some passages are not translated correctly: like John 3:16 should be in lit.Gk: "For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal." As you can see from this verse, there is a vast difference in the definition from the literal Greek translation according to the context, and the misdefined English translations on the market.
---Eloy on 12/31/09


Eloy:

While I haven't read Tyndale's version (nor have I seen any study materials from it), I am more familiar with the KJV. If you look in a concordance of the KJV, you will find that many (if not most) words in Hebrew and Greek are translated by more than one different English word, depending on context. Similarly, most English words are translations of several Hebrew and Greek words. Neither of these would be the case if the translators worked from a one-to-one vocabulary and then mindlessly translated according to some simple naive mechanical rules (as many computer translations tend to do). Rather, they chose the English words that were appropriate for each individual context by studying each context in detail.
---StrongAxe on 12/31/09


Cluny, The first suceeding translators, after Tyndale, copied Tyndale's translation heavily. And the aforesaid common error of miscontexted and misdefined Greek and Hebrew words also persisted in later translations. This is why it is a good thing to study the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures in order to know what was actually written and to know the right meaning of the passages. I strongly believe that if the first translators were not hurried into getting the English out into the hands of the people they would have produced more accurate translations by implementing the correct English equivalents of the Greek and Hebrew words rather than inaccurately using only one English word for each Greek or Hebrew word.
---Eloy on 12/30/09


Blink, It was not Wyclif because Wyclif used the corrupt Latin Vulgate for his translation. But it was William Tyndale, the first to translate the scriptures directly from their original Greek and Hebrew tongues into English, and the succeeding Bishop's Bible and the King James Translators also used heavily Tyndale's version.
---Eloy on 12/30/09


corey -//catholics are masons. Research it, you will be amazed at what you find. The rituals, hand shakes, terminology, etc.

While some Catholics were masons, the Masonic lodge has always been viewed as an enemy of both the Roman Church and monarchial governments.


It was a secret society in which plots against the ruling hierarchy was conceived and often carried out.

One being the destruction of the Papal States -King Victor Emmanuel II, the father of modern Italy and his close associates were all Masons as was Jose Rizal of the Philippines.
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09




But unless you are a Bible translator and study the scriptures like me, you would not know this.
---Eloy on 12/28/09

Ha, you two "trans-muddle" legends in your own mind....should be Sadducee & Pharisee comedians instead. There are a couple of names to headline with. These were self pumpers too.
I got a good laugh when I read this. I've seen your doctrines.....and if they come from your translations.....there is not one prophet who agrees with you. Go a little slower still, next time you translate.

You might start with the N.T. word "Gentile" for a clue to how to interpret all the other contextual choices that are available.
---Trav on 12/30/09


Lee, my wife and I read what he says and we have come to the conclusion that you are correct when you say that Eloy is trying to rewrite the Scriptures to fit his own errant doctrines. Which is amazing in itself.
He has come to believe in his mind he is the light that Jesus saw while on the cross. And uses Jesus as an example to compare himself to Him when saying that Jesus didn't need any college education so neither does he.
Or that Jesus never cleaned a dirty toilet as he has, and that he suffered more then Job and Christ put together. I believe he thinks he is God without error. And no one can be right but him. I still say, amagine been married to him. How could anyone live up to his standards?
---MarkV. on 12/30/09


Eloy ... There were 54 independent scholars working on the KJV from 1604 to 1611.

Hurried?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/29/09


It makes no diff, because they both Are Blind organizations. Just like hand in glove.
---Lawrence on 12/29/09


Pride goes before a fall.
---Dan on 12/29/09




Eloy:

ALL human beings (excepting Jesus himself) are imperfect and capable of error. Nobody has perfect knowledge and is capable of teaching with a guarantee that he will never teach any error. Even Peter (who learned at the feet of Jesus himself) made several errors deserving rebuke (both from Jesus and Paul).

Even if one studies ancient languages such as Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic for years, such studies are based on dictionaries and grammars and commentaries written in the past by other fallible human beings, who in turn learned from earlier fallible human beings in their turns. While it is possible (and indeed laudable) with good and careful scholarship to reduce the amount of error, it is impossible to eliminate it entirely.
---StrongAxe on 12/29/09


\\ History reveals that the first translators have produced their English translations under pressure to get them done quickly.\\

And later translators have never labored under deadlines, have they?
---Cluny on 12/28/09


Did you mean to say Martin Luther and the calvanist and other protestant denomination pressured the Englsh translator? And was the presure to save or Kill the Bible?
---Blink on 12/28/09


catholics are masons. Research it, you will be amazed at what you find. The rituals, hand shakes, terminology, etc. They even worship the same god. If you did not know this you are cosidered a "Goyim" in their eyes. There is a series called "total onslaught" which goes into great detail about the relationship between masons and catholics. I will pray for You!
---corey on 12/28/09


//History reveals the first translators have produced their English translations under pressure to get them done quickly.

What is your source PLEASE?

What about all the other modern versions, were the translators under such pressure that they were unable to translate properly from the Greek? I am not convinced.

And what do you do about what the church has been teaching for centuries? That alone should be a red flag that your interpretation that genuine Christians are not sinless.

In other words, you contend the church has been in error for centuries in teaching Christians still sin even after being born again? The church has always believed Christians should confess our sins. Were they in error while you are not?
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09


History reveals that the first translators have produced their English translations under pressure to get them done quickly. And as a result in our English versions today is found the taking of 1 Hebrew or 1 Greek word, defining it into 1 English word and inaccurately using this 1 definition in almost every single place it is found in scripture without any regard to the scriptures context. But if the translators had the opportunity to go slower when they translated then they would have rightly defined the 1 Hebrew or 1 Greek word, and define it accurately with the many definitions pertaining to that 1 word according to the scriptures context. But unless you are a Bible translator and study the scriptures like me, you would not know this.
---Eloy on 12/28/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


//My education, and my meticulous studies of ancient Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic is more than sufficient to deliver the truth impeccably and with full confidence in the knowledge that it is without error.

Eloy, everyone knows, that you cannot even hold a candle to those who have taught these ancient languages for years and been on translation teams. You really have no credentials whatsoever that we should believe anything you state.

In fact, what you are doing is trying to re-write the Bible to fit your errant doctrines, same as the Jehovah's Witnesses. Mt. 7:15

It is rather obvious to everyone on this forum that it is you that needs to recognize your sins and repent as you have no fellowship with Him or His church.
---lee1538 on 12/28/09


Lee, you have many misjudgments, and your name-calling and bearing false witness is not of Christ. Rather than continually saying that you are sorry for your derision, as you say, I strongly suggest that you repent and speak rightly, for the measure that you use is the measure that will be used to you, and what you give is what you get, and what you sow you will surely reap. My education, and my meticulous studies of ancient Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic is more than sufficient to deliver the truth impeccably and with full confidence in the knowledge that it is without error.
---Eloy on 12/28/09


Lee, you have many misjudgments, and your name-calling and bearing false witness is not of Christ. Rather than continually saying that you are sorry for your derision, as you say, I strongly suggest that you repent and speak rightly, for the measure that you use is the measure that will be used to you, and what you give is what you get, and what you sow you will surely reap. My education, and my meticulous studies of ancient Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic is more than sufficient to deliver the truth impeccably and with full confidence in the knowledge that it is without error.
---Eloy on 12/28/09


You are indeed very stupid and arrogant if you believe you know Greek and Hebrew better than those who have taught it for years and years and have been on translation teams.

Again,what size of hat do you wear and do they make them that big?

Sorry Eloy but apparently you have harden your heart to such an extent that you have become immune to the truth, so why should we even bother with you?
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Treatments


Lee, As I have said before, instead of truth you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/28/09


//I already corrected this mistranslation of tense in I Tim.1:15 earlier, and I also gave the supporting documentation...

Sorry Eloy but I will stick with the translations given by Biblical scholars that have proven credentials and find support from the writings of the fathers of His church.

Frankly what you are doing is trying to re-write the Bible to support your errant doctrine, much the same as the Jehovah's Witnesses have done with their New World Translation.

In short, in believing yourself sinless your sin has essentially created a barrier between yourself and God. You have fallen from grace and have ears that no longer hear what the Holy Spirit is trying to tell you.

Think about it please.
---Lee1538 on 12/27/09


//As I have told you earlier, I already am born-again from Christ,..

If that is true then apparently you have somewhere along the way became lost and need to get back in fellowship with the Lord.

Some of the Galatians were born again but fell from grace when they listened to the Judaizers who attempted to get them away from Christ and back under the laws and customs of Judaism.

Have you fallen from grace?
---Lee1538 on 12/27/09


Eloy - according to the doctrine of justification if you are a born again Christian, you have been declared to be not guilty however, you will from time to time continue to violate the will of God (we all call it sin) and that will remove you from the fellowship you could have with the Lord.
---Lee1538 on 12/27/09


Send a Free Smiles & Hugs Ecard


Lee, You continue to blaspheme? As I have told you earlier, I already am born-again from Christ, and he that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him. I love my Lord God Jesus Christ, I keep his words, and his dwelling in me he makes. If they called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household?
---Eloy on 12/27/09


Lee, I already corrected this mistranslation of tense in I Tim.1:15 earlier, and I also gave the supporting documentation. The Greek verb here is "eimi", which depending on the context of use it can be past, present, or future tense, as in Luke 19:22 it is "was", past tense, and in John 14:9 it is "have been". And we know that in this verse also it is correctly past tense, for the context requires it to be past tense, because the same passage in verse 13 the verbage used is "was before", speaking in the past tense, and not the mistranslated and inaccurrate present tense. Also Paul speaks of this same subject in I Corinthians 15:9 as past tense, he persecutED the church, Not persecuteS.
---Eloy on 12/27/09


Eloy//Lee, you will do and say whatever you desire.

Hopefully it has been something that will help you with your sin problem as sin does create a barrier between you and the Lord.

Think about it please as your nakedness will really show when you face the Lord in the life to come.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


Lee, you will do and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/26/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Affiliate Program


Eloy, does what I said make any sense to you?
---JackB on 12/26/09


Eloy - I really feel sorry for you as clearly you are one that has lost his way.

What you should do is to sit down with a Christian counselor who knows both the Bible and its Author and go over the basics of the Christian faith. If that does not help, then I would seek further professional help from those who dealt with mental problems.

This most likely will be my last comment I will make to you as it is doubtful I have the professional health skills to be of much further help to you.

God loves you and wants you to be of sound mind.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


1Ti 1:15 KJV This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I AM chief.

No,No, No, those translators of the KJV and those of all the modern versions that have advanced degrees and taught Greek & Hebrews for years certainly translated the Bible incorrectly.

There is no such thing as present tense.

1Ti 1:15 (Eloy Version) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I WAS chief.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


Lee, After you become a Christian, then you will know the truth and will not blaspheme the truth, but for now you make false statments about my education, and you bear false witness because you are not a Christian.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Abortion Facts


JackB - Interesting the Eloy (the sinless one) believes himself to be more familiar and capable of translating the Bible from the original languages than those who possess accredited credentials, have taught these languages for years and worked as translators.

It leave us all wondering what size of hat he wears or if they have make them that large size.
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09


Sorry but if once God (Holy Spirit) lives IN us we are incapable of sinning from that moment on as you state Eloy, then why did Paul, Timothy, Peter, John and the other apostles find it necessary to write letters instructing church members how to live properly? These people have the Holy Spirit living IN them.

Does a man already perfect in deed by the Holy Spirit (according to you) need a man to teach him how to live?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Imagine yourself in the church of Galatia and this guy Paul sends the church a letter instructing you how to live. Would you answer him "I dont need your guidance, Im already sinless according to the word"?
---JackB on 12/25/09


Eloy - //I have studied Greek over 15 years, and Hebrew and Aramaic for less than a year ...

In other words you have not had any formal education in these languages.

Essentially you really have no formal or accredited credentials, nor have you posted anything that would confirm your belief that you actually can translate from these languages since they all too often are contrary to recognized translators of the Bible.

Sorry but I do not recognize you even as a fellow Christian thro you may be but have somehow lost your way.
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09


Lee, I have studied Greek over 15 years, and Hebrew and Aramaic for less than a year, and I translate the scriptures from their original tongues, and I freqently post them on this site. I do not translate the Bible with others, nor do I see others whom are nonsecular and serious about translating. I have zero problem understanding orthodoxed doctrines of which some are provenly wrong, and misdefined and miscontexted, according to the scriptures. For one Greek word has many definitions, and not just one, and you must keep it in it's right context to obtain true orthodoxed doctrine, else you arrive at error rather than truth. My tenses are exactly what I mean, and I also need no additional English classes to communicate the truth in perfect tense.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Acne Treatment


Lee, True credentials are NOT a piece of paper with the credits you spent in college, though I have this: nor are true credentials only manifested by having knowledge of the scriptures: but true credentials are manifested with a holy life, and exempliflied and proven with manifesting the supernatural works of Christ. Many distinguished and learned Pharisees vaunted their scholastic knowledge of the scriptures, yet they did not really "know" the scriptures, neither were they of God. They did not do God's works, heal, save, and set the people free: but Jesus without any college education did it all, including walking on the water and raising the dead, and without any degree or piece of paper from secular man saying he has credit.
---Eloy on 12/25/09


Eloy //I know Greek better than Hebrew because we are currently in the New Covenant which is written in Greek.

My question to you was how many formal Greek classes have you had?

How many semesters? From accredited institutions or are you the lone ranger type that tried to learn it on your own?

All too many boast of their knowledge of the Bible but some, like yourself, have a terrible time of trying to defend faulty and unorthodox doctrines. If you truly knew Greek, you would have to reject your view that Christians do not occasionally sin.

You also need a good course in English grammar since you obviously do not know what PRESENT TENSE is.


---Lee1538 on 12/24/09


Lee, I do not embrace church denominations, though the doctrine of the Apostolics of Jesus Christ (called, "Jesus Only" followers) is the closest to the Truth, with the Assemblies of God following after them. And I have already identified myself in earlier blogs as a born-again Christian twice. I am an eyewitness to Jesus Christ in the body firsthand, and he physically touched me with his hand. My name is Eloy, "A light", and I lead others to salvation. I am sanctified and filled with his Holy Ghost, with signs following. I am sent from Christ, I prophesy and bear witness to the truth, and I do the works of Christ. And I translate the holy scriptures from their original tongues into acurrate English.
---Eloy on 12/24/09


Lee, I know Greek better than Hebrew because we are currently in the New Covenant which is written in Greek. And you continue to mock, because your natural nature is enemity against God's word. I am very accustomed to the dissers, for when I say "Yes", then they say, "No": and when I say, "No", then they reply with "Yes". That is your liberty to mock or else to accept, but I am not here to convince you of the truth, for that is not my mission: for I am here to bear witness to the truth and to provide guidance to seekers and to lead others to salvation. Now what you do with the truth I preach is your own choice, you can receive the word and be blessed, or else not.
---Eloy on 12/24/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Bad Credit Loans


This organization .... perpetually attacked the TRUTH of the one Church.

Pax.
---Cody on 12/18/09

Well the "one Church" as you called it has many untruths that dilute it's credibility.

Mason's are not a religion. Their ideal is universal good of man. Their search is for light, out of the dark.
Their error is recognizing the Christian GOD, with no testament too his son. They respect all others, not showing the errors of.
Albert Pike made the comment, perhaps we could take a lesson from our Turkish Brothers in tolerance, who have a New Testament,Bible and a Koran all on their Altar.
---Trav on 12/23/09


Eloy -//but from the beginning falsehood began by the deceiver himself, satan the father of lies, ...

You remind of the time I told a formal course on cults from Moody Bible Institute. All the cults that claim to be Christain, claim that the church somehow got off the track shortly after the Apostles passed away. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. etc.

They all blame it on the devil and accuse God of being a very bad manager of His Church.

So I am left wondering if you also belong to a cult as you have not identified what denomination you belong to, maybe I missed it.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Eloy - //I have no lack of knowledge for I have the mind of Christ and I translate the holy scriptures from their original tongues into English...

So you claim to be a translator?

And have you worked with other translators who know more of the original languages than you do? Or are you simply another lone ranger translator translating from the original languages using words that fit only your own unique interpretation?

I had only one semester of Greek, how many years have taken formal classes in Greek? I am told you really need at least 4 semesters to be anywhere near proficient in the language.

It is not wise to give yourself credit when it is not due.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Lee, you err, I have no lack of knowledge for I have the mind of Christ and I translate the holy scriptures from their original tongues into English. I am full aware of the errors in Christian doctrine from the past up to the present, and I know where they have derived from. Some started from the inaccurrate English translations of the scriptures, and many others started from taking sippets of verses out of their context and then misapplying them to nonBiblical doctrines in order to support sin, but from the beginning falsehood began by the deceiver himself, satan the father of lies, whom started with, "Did God say?" when he already knows full well that God indeed did say.
---Eloy on 12/23/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Bankruptcy


JackB, I am already born from Christ and filled with his holy Spirit, and proven by my manifestation of the works of Christ: but you are still in need of salvation, proven by your nonChristian fruits.
---Eloy on 12/23/09


Eloy, the day God touches your heart with the truth you're gonna come under such fear. Just be ready for it. All the words you've spewed here about perfection and "no room for error" will come back to haunt you.

Just try remember the words of those of us who have tried to tell you of the mercy and grace of God as well. He's not the tyrant you think he is.

Hebrews 4:15,16

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
---JackB on 12/23/09


Eloy - //the Scripture is of no private interpretation...

Totally agree as I have maintained, we need to listen to the Word from those the Lord has called into the ministry. I often get scorned by others for using the commentaries instead of offering my personal opinions.

//you cannot pick & choose what parts of scripture to accept and follow, but on the contrary Jesus says if you fail in one point of his word, then you are guilty of all. = James 2:10

I could not agree with you more. Again our disagreements arise from your lack of knowledge of basic Christian doctrines. The last phrase of the doctrine is glorification in which when we see Jesus face to face, all our imperfects will vanish. STUDY THE DOCTRINE.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Lee, the Scripture is of no private interpretation, I preach the word of God straight and uncompromised as he commands me to do, but if a nonChristian desires to rack the scriptures and in their unregenerate nature are deluded into thinking My Word I preach is falsehood, then that is the hard-hearted ones choice that they have made, whether to accept or to reject the truth I preach: nevertheless inspite of dissers and antiChrist individuals, My Word will never change even as The Truth never changes: heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
---Eloy on 12/22/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Cash Advance


Lee, you cannot pick and choose what parts of scripture to accept and follow, but on the contrary Jesus says if you fail in one point of his word, then you are guilty of all. No disobedience is in heaven, for only the obedient abide therein.
---Eloy on 12/22/09


Eloy, I do not accept other so-called good books from clay as a substitute for, nor an equivalent for, the Holy Bible: instead I read the Holy Scriptures and all of my faith is in the proven worthy and inspired Word of God. And may I kindly suggest to you Eloy, that you too place your faith in Christ and not in your own limited interpretation of Scripture.
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


Eloy -//The Bible does not state we must belong to a particular denomination or even believe all the things found in the Bible, as our salvation is in Jesus, nothing more.

Often there are those who believe Christ is not enough for our salvation but we must add to our faith membership in a particular denomination, correct doctrinal beliefs, etc.

He (Jesus) is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25.

And those that draw near to God are sometimes Roman Catholics, Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists and other denominations.

Let's face it Eloy, you are a competitor to other Christian denominations that preach the Gospel Message.
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


Lee, I do not accept other so-called good books from clay as a substitute for, nor an equivalent for, the Holy Bible: instead I read the Holy Scriptures and all of my faith is in the proven worthy and inspired Word of God. And may I kindly suggest to you Lee, that you too place your faith in the Scriptures breathed from God himself, rather than in written works from clay.
---Eloy on 12/22/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Credit Counseling


Eloy //salvation is Not by election of God.

Pick up any good book on doctrine written by someone who knows both the Bible and its Author and read about the doctrine of Election.

The Bible does not state we must belong to a particular denomination or even believe all the things found in the Bible, as our salvation is in Jesus, nothing more.

Hebrews 7:25KJV Wherefore He (Jesus) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God BY Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Who among us really has ALL the correct doctrinal beliefs found within scripture?

Sorry but I have seen too many born again and righteous living Roman Catholics to say that some are not in Christ.
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


Lee, salvation is Not by election of God. And no, for anyone whom misplaces their faith in idols rather than in Jesus is not saved. For example, if I believe that some stone has the power to save my soul and I foolishly bow down and worship it and sacrifice to it, I would not be saved. There are three types that will be saved: 1) the born-again Christian, 2) the sinner who has repented back to Christ, 3) the righteous by nature whom never heard the gospel. God came to earth and has given us his New Commandments, he did not come here in vain for his clay to mock him, else his innocent and holy blood is upon their hands onto damnation: for God is not mocked, neither did Yeshuah ha Meshiach create a lake of fire and brimstone in vain.
---Eloy on 12/21/09


Eloy - Since salvation is by election of God, would a born again Roman Catholic be saved eternally despite his or her incorrect beliefs?

To me having incorrect beliefs may make one unfruitful to some extent but would not that person be saved eternally nonetheless?

To what extent is correct doctrinal beliefs a prerequisite for salvation?

A case in point is those that believe one must observe the OT Jewish Sabbath in order to be saved eternally whereas scripture no where commands its observance.
---Lee1538 on 12/20/09


Cluny:
Roman Catholic, Council of Trent: "If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed," (12). "If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified, or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified, and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected, let him be anathema." (14).
---Glenn on 12/20/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Relief


\\The Roman Catholic position was (and is) to add works to gain a (potential) salvation\\

No, the Roman Catholic Church does NOT teach this.

Doesn't it bother you to tell deliberate lies about others?

Or is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" simply not in your Bible?
---Cluny on 12/19/09


Both catholicism and masonicism are NonChristian.
---Eloy on 12/19/09


They'll find common ground.
Christians believe in grace through faith, or the confidence in Jesus alone for salvation. The Roman Catholic position was (and is) to add works to gain a (potential) salvation. If Satan is forming an amalgam of many religions, using the same trick he used in Genesis 3:1-6, it would have to appeal to the flesh. There are many people who believe that such a one world religion will lead to peace, Jeremiah 6:14, 8:11, Ezekiel 13:10, 1Thesalonians 5:3.
p.s. Daniel 11:21, 2Thesalonians 2:3-4, Revelations 17:10, 19:20, 20:10.
---Glenn on 12/18/09


Allow me to reiterate what has been said here once before: It is against Canon law to join the Freemason heresy. The last person to confirm this was Cardinal Ratsinger, aka. Pope Benedict XVI.

A Roman Catholic who is a Mason may not partake of the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist.

This organization openly fought against the Catholic Monarchies in France and Spain and has perpetually attacked the TRUTH of the one Church.

Pax.
---Cody on 12/18/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Settlement


St Dunstan, Edward the Confessor, Bishops and Archbishops: Gundulph (Canterbury), Peter deRupibus (Winchester), Gauthier Giffard(York), William Stapleton (Exeter), William Wykeham (Winchester), Simon deLangham (Canterbury), Henry Chicheley (Canterbury), William Waynflete (Winchester), Richard deBeauchamp (Sarum), Cardinal Pierre D'Aubusson, John Islip, Abbot (Westminster), Cardinal Wolsey, John Poynet (Winchester), Grand Masters of The Grand Lodge of All England.
---Peter on 12/18/07


Yes it would be wrong.
---M.P. on 5/27/07


SLCGuy--You are right about Masonic symbols being all over Washington and the dollar bill. Some of these, such as the "all-seeing eye" and pyramid are also prominent in "cosmic consciousness" and other new age mystic cults. Since so many of the Founders (G.W.,not Bush, included)were Masons, my guess is that it was mostly a social organization to them. No question, a Christian CAN be a Mason. "Should" be is another question.
---Donna2277 on 5/9/06


I was once a member of Freemasonry but left it as they have little to offer except for social gatherings. They are not a Christian organization but promote an ethical type of conduct with a belief in a Supreme Being of ones own conception.

Like Lee insinuated, religious or moral beliefs reflect only the local lodges, not the totality of Freemasonry defined by their literature.
---lee1538 on 4/28/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Distance Learning


They bow down to the "Mystic Shrine". Read The Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine by Allen Publishing Co, pages 35-39. Lee, you probably aren't aware of this as many Christians don't realize the danger of freemasonry when they join.
---sam on 4/27/06


Ther is I believe, one division of the Masons which is specifically Christian.
I must say it was the universlist belief in the Great Architect, rather that God, which deterred me from becoming a Mason whne invited.
I have no objection too belonging to non-religious organisations, with a common good purpose, but to make a spurious oath would have been hypocritical
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/27/06


"Masonry requires a man to have a belief in God, or a Supreme Being before he can be admitted as a member. Freemasonry may be said to be a system of Morality - we as members are free to profess any religious faith which enables us to express a belief in the Great Architect of the Universe". I'm surprized that Jesus is even mentioned in your lodge. My dad and bro were 32 and 33 degree masons and did not believe in Jesus at all. Can you explain?
---Donna2277 on 4/27/06


I am a Freemason. And I believe Jesus is My Lord and savior. And my lodge prays to no other god but Jesus. I was skeptic myself before I joined, and to tell you the truth after I had joined, I HAVE NOT seen any Satanic symbols, nor any plot against The Church. We have helped my community raise Computers for our schools, Helped local churches with fund raisers, etc. So instead of saying it's wrong, how about doing some research before you speak out loud.

Moderator - Which rite and what degree? It's the Scottish rite within the higher degrees that the Satanism comes out.
---Lee on 4/27/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Education


Were not most of Americas Founding Fathers Freemasons? Are not masonic symbols found all over Washington DC, and the dollar bill? Are not masonic terms found in the declaratrion of Independence, and the constitution? For one to say the founding fathers were Christian, and then say one cannot be a Christian and a mason is irrational.
---SLCGuy on 2/26/06


Joseph Smith, founder of the mormon church, was a mason.
---joe on 2/25/06


Yes. As a matter of fact, a Catholic may be excommunicated for becoming a Mason. And by the way, Bruce5656, Catholics ARE Christians. May Christ's peace be with you!
---Monica74 on 2/24/06


Catholic, Protestant, or any other person would be wrong in becoming a Mason.
---mima on 2/24/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Home Equity Loans


I think if you'll look into the history of Masonry, you'll find that the Roman Church was an integral part the intistution. "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", while off on a different tangent, gives extensive background on the history of Masons, Freemasons, Scottish Rite, etc.
---Karen5968 on 2/24/06


Secret lodges are not secret for nothing. If I had a secret it would be because I didn't want someone to know something. Get the hint? We have several X Masons in our church. They are ever so happy to be out of it. They are concerned for their lives now because of the oaths that they took to get in but they say it's worth being free.
---john on 2/24/06


It would be wrong for anyone to become a mason.
The question you need to concern yourself with is if you should become a Christian.
---Bruce5656 on 2/24/06


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.