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Is Abortion Ever Acceptable

Is abortion EVER acceptable e.g. if the mother will die soon after the birth because she did not have chemotherapy during a pregnancy?

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Abortion is never accepted in the eyes of God, just because God does not allow killing and therefore He created life and life should be appreciated by all, a child brought in this world did not ask for the right to be aborted but to have life. Imagine your limbs being broken just because you are no longer required in this world, every human born on this earth is required to have life.
---Amanda on 2/5/08


Abortion is NEVER right. Abortion IS MURDER, and God hates the shedding of innocent blood.
---Leslie on 2/5/08


NO,not really.Maybe I would say if the Mother had an extremly bad heart or hypertension they should be given the choice but the truth should be told.In other words it's a baby not a blob and you are choosing your life or your child's.I was told by a couple of docs that I would die if I gave birth.I choose to have babies anyway.They lived and I did too.All but 1 my first little boy just lived 2 days.I had 2 more boys and a girl.Now they are 52,50 and 49.
---shirley on 2/5/08


Either you Trust in the Lord or you don't.
A life is God's to give not yours to take away.
You were bought with a price. Your life is not your own, it belongs to God. Only He has the authority to take it back. He knit you in the womb. Aren't you fortunate that He allowed you to be conceived? Aren't you happy your mother was pro -life?
Amen! choose God's will which is LIFE!
---lisa on 2/5/08


Abortion is absolutely acceptable, however, only the body of the mother can truly abort the unborn child. We are not entirely sure why the body aborts the pregnancy, God does. Baby murder is never acceptable under any circumstances. Baby murder is when the mother hires a "doctor" to extract the unborn child from the womb in a terrifying and barbaric manner.
---Ryan_Z on 2/4/08




I think in some cases. If I were raped by my father or any male relative. If my girl child was in that situation. I would not want to bring a child from such a union into this world.Its despicable and unbearable to my mind. I would not want the burden or ever trying to explain the details of this horrid incident to the child at a later time in life. If I ended the pregnancy, it would be kinder to all concerned.
---Robyn on 1/31/08


NO! ABORTION IS NEVER ALRIGHT! If a mother's life is in danger, you get on your hands and knees and BRING IT BEFORE THE LORD GOD that He intervene with a life-saving Miracle or WHATEVER! If you do the RIGHT THING (NOT ABORTING), GOD will honour that. I don't know how in every situation, only GOD would know. But, if you're truly caring at all, DO NOT ABORT, and GET WITH GOD FIRST!!!!!!!
---Gordon on 1/31/08


Lev 17:11 For the LIFE of the FLESH [is] in the BLOOD: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an ATONEMENT for YOUR SOULS: for it [is] THE BLOOD [that] maketh an ATONEMENT for the SOUL. DOES THIS ANSWER QUESTIONS: IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THE SACRIFICED UNSPOTTED LAMB FOR ATONE FOR SIN. New Testament the Sacrifice is The Lamb of God is Jesus Christ. WHEN A UNBORN CHILD IS ABORTED YOU MURDER INNOCENT BLOOD.
---doug7835 on 1/30/08


we shouldn't have the power to take away prelife every baby deserves to live there days on earth
---kim on 1/29/08


no...We do not have the authority to take a life in or out of the womb! EVER! God creates life and He only has the authority to take a life away. Do not try and play God. Our duty is to save life, try and preserve life, protect life and treat our bodies and others as God's temple which it is.
---Lisa on 7/21/07




Lissa: Your husband's aunt and sister are the exception to the rule. They made a mistake like so many of us. We cannot let satan continue to rule our lives once we have chosen to give our hearts to Christ. They need to be delivered and believe Jesus rather than the lies of satan. Satan would have us believe the lies in our past life. Once we become born again we are new creatures in Jesus Christ.
---Robyn on 7/20/07


Lee, wouldn't it be better if those starving people in Africa had better access to education, food and safety? The reason so many are starving is not because they are overpopulated but because of war - if one group of Americans decided that they wanted to kill off another group of Americans, one way to do that would be to destroy all of their crops and then deny access from outside sources to provide aid - this is what happened in Ethiopia. This is deliberate genocide.
---lorra8574 on 7/20/07


rainlillie: "I could never have an abortion, but if other women choose to I support their right to do so. I don't believe in forcing my religious views on others."

Strange. During the Civil War, some said, "I don't like slavery, would never own a slave, but if other people choose to own a slave then I support their right to do so. I don't believe in imposing my Christian-based opposition to slavery on them."
---Ktisophilos on 7/20/07


To add another comment, my husband's aunt had two abortions, and his sister had one, this was several years ago. They are still suffering the emotional effects. The aunt has never gotten over it. She still cries constantly, and is emotionally unstable. The sister is better, but still regrets it horribly, and suffers from depression. Yes, they both are born again Christians. So because I have seen first hand what the effects are, I would choose to let the baby live. God always provides for His children.
---Lissa on 7/20/07


John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost while still in the womb. Luke 1:5
God knows us before we are even formed in the womb. Jeremiah 1:5; Revelation 13:8
---chris on 3/31/06


Ulrika, Certainly we should pray and exercise wisdom concerning God's plan for each of our families. And, we must be careful not to let Hollywood determine what we do. Have friend who was having marital difficulties. She asked God to close her womb - couldn't use birth control because her husband wouldn't allow it - and through that whole time (about 4 years) she did not conceive. So, with that in mind, I trust God that whatever decisions folks make, ultimately He is in control anyway.
---daphn8897 on 3/30/06


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mod .."You aren't stating that was God's plan? Are you being sarcastic?"
No, Mod I was not stating my view! It was a reaction to those who say that everything that happens is God's plan. I believe that is not the case. Yes, we know the war is won, because Jesus paid the sacrifice in spite of Satan's attempts to deflect him from that terrible fate, but the skirmishes are still going on.

Moderator - Good, I feel better :)
---alan_of_UK on 3/30/06


Alan, From where I sit, it's all or nothing. Either God is completely in control, or He isn't God. I do not begin to think that I can wrap my human mind around all that He is, or why things happen as they do, but I KNOW He is God, He is Good, and I am His. All of our reasonings/theories as to why and how bad things happen will be burned up at the feet of His throne. All that will be left are those moments where we actually glorify Him - and those even being orchestrated and enabled by Him.
---daphn8897 on 3/30/06


Daph, Are you saying married couples should use abstinence, when they feel they have enough children, or do you think they should continue having children until the wife goes through menopause? 1Corinthians 7:5. If a women gets married in early 20s and is done with menopause at around 50, the couple could have several children. For those reasons I see nothing wrong with birth control. Aborion is wrong according to scripture.
---Ulrika on 3/30/06


Alan, What I am saying is that God is bigger than any ugly plan man comes up with. And, as Lee, you are responding emotionally, rather than seeing, that as with Joseph, what man meant for evil, God can use for good. Yes, He can have a plan for a child that is the product of rape. Bottom line, we ALL deserve every horrible thing that does and can happen to us. It is by God's grace alone that we don't get the full weight of what our sin deserves every moment of every day.
---daphn8897 on 3/30/06


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Daphne ... In Nazi Germany, there were breeding farms where girls were collected together, and forced to have children by the Aryan thugs who raped them. Of course it was all balanced out by the killing of millions of men women and children, who were Jews, homosexual, gypsies, slightly mentally or physically sub-normal. So everything was fine, all as per God's plan.

Moderator - You aren't stating that was God's plan? Are you being sarcastic?
---alan_of_UK on 3/30/06


Lee, "Trusting God to open and close wombs did not work in Bosnia either where the Serbs set up breeding farms." What a sad statement about God and a revealing statement about your heart. It appears to me that you see Him as very small. God is the giver of life - so every pregnancy, even if evil intentions lead to it, is ultimately caused by Him. Remember Joseph... what his brothers meant for evil, God orchestrated for good. Your reasoning in this matter is emotionally based and not scriptural.
---daphn8897 on 3/30/06


Lee, it is a good thing to use our brians and plan wisely, but realize that God can override our plans/logic. I was unable to use the pill due to high risk of stroke, so used other methods in 15 years of marraige and got pregnant several times WITH the use of birth control. We did not have the acceptable means of raising a large family, but God did and does and He has blessed us mightily. I am so thankful for the gift of each and evry one of my children that were not planned by me but given by the Creator
---christina on 3/26/06


Mississippi is about to pass an abortion law stating that only victims of rape or incest or threat of life to the mother can get abortions. This state has only one abortion clinic. I want to see it shut down. For those of us who have suffered abortions and are still suffering, pray for us. After becoming a Christian, I now know that my disobedence to God is what caused my drug/alcohol troubles which lead to abortions.
---Nellah on 3/26/06


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daphn8897 - "Where is trusting God to open or close our wombs?"

If you view Africa today you will see thousands of children starving. Wouldn't it be better if birth control methods were more adequately available to prevent those situations?

Trusting God to open and close wombs did not work in Bosnia either where the Serbs set up breeding farms.

God expects you to use the brain He gave you and regulate the size of families by either preventing or permitting conception.
---lee on 3/25/06


Lee, Nope, not RC. Never have been RC. Was raised Episcopal, did Baptist, Brethren, WoF, and now independent (kind of Presbyterian). I also think the best form of birth control is abstinence. And, yes, I would never use an IUD, and because I'm single and not "active" don't use any form. Personally, I believe we've let the world/Hollywood dictate to use what is appropriate sexually and reproductively. Where is trusting God to open or close our wombs? It just saddens me.
---daphn8897 on 3/21/06


daphn8897 - if life begins at conception - when the egg is fertilized, then you must reject some birth control methods such as the IUD since they simply prevent the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the lining of the womb, and thus prevent pregnancy. Also birth control pills may not always prevent conception. Are you Roman Catholic?
---lee on 3/15/06


lee, That is my point... life has started at the moment of conception. Yes, in humans, blood needs to come for life to continue and grow, nevertheless, the process began at conception. So, who are we, once that life process has begun, to destroy it? That is why I said earlier that you were on a slippery slope.
---daphn8897 on 3/8/06


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JOHN T
READ THE whats up blog, and pray for madison.
---willow on 3/7/06


daphn8897 - Yes life may start before there is blood, but from a biblical prospective, no blood then no life.

If you were to view under a microscope the sperm from a man, you would not that there are millions of little wiggles that appear to be alive, but there are only the components that will make up what we view as life. A fertilized egg is only a component until there is blood and the egg starts to develop into a human being.
---lee on 3/7/06


lee, I do not agree that your position is biblically substantiated. I am not being "religious" about it, just pressing that one verse a doctrine does not make. Yes life is in the blood, but it doesn't say life STARTS in the blood biologically. There are many organisms that do not have blood, and yet are alive. Even scientifically, your argument doesn't hold.
---daphn8897 on 3/7/06


daphn8897 - What I point out is the biblical prospective; not the religious viewpoint that life begins not with conception but with the infusion of blood into a fertilized egg - an event that occurs some 3 weeks later.

The Roman Catholic view is that certain birth control methods are abortives; but from Scripture, this is not really true.

Of course, this biblical viewpoint would not preclude the use of the "morning after" pill that is currently being put on the market.
---lee on 3/7/06


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1/3
Madison. I was not going to blog today. I make an exception 4u.
I assume sis is an adult. You need to ask yourself what is mors important, dysfunctional denial aka family secrets, or true emotional freedom for her. Obviously, the past has not worked well, so something different is needed.
---John_T on 3/7/06


2/3She is living under unbearable triple condemnation: self, church and family (by refusing to deal with it) The latter 2 can be endured if the first is forgiven, and accepted.
For that she needs to find forgiveness in Christ first, then forgive herself. Since Christ has forgiven all the sins of all he saves, then those who are saved can forgive themselves, also. Make sense?
---John_T on 3/7/06


3/3That is how and why a Crisis Pregnancy Center person can help. She is outside the family, she is trained, and most likely has a forgiven past, also.
How do I know this? Since I did not get the job as CPC director, I was asked to be on its Board of Directors.
---John_T on 3/7/06


Madison, I agree,we must always walk with compassion and kindness - especially with non-believers. When she comes to the Lord, soon enough the Holy Spirit will bring conviction, and then we must pour that balm of Giliad on those wounds. However, I would still counsel not to abort for a woman in the midst of making that decision - but certainly do so with love and gentleness.
---daphn8897 on 3/7/06


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YOU ARE CORRECT MADISON, but the sad part is that some of the people I council have comdemed themselves to an agony that they don't need to bear..why because they can't see that even though Jesus forgave them..they wont forgive themselves or accept that forgiveness.
---willow on 3/6/06


John: Thank you for your kind advice. I do not discuss my sister's abortion with her. It is a forbidden subject in my family. She has been in therapy for a long time, and has been in treatment for an eating disorder, and I am certain that it has been discussed in depth in both.
---Madison on 3/6/06


Willow: Just because something is true doesn't make it edifying to say to someone. Abortion is murder, but I would not say that to a woman after she has had an abortion. The Holy Spirit must reveal that to the person. That will not happen till the woman has accepted Christ as Savior.
---Madison on 3/6/06


lee, While I agree that "life is in the blood", it is not the only place where there is life. God the Father does not have "blood," but there is life. The Holy Spirit certainly has life, yet no "blood"... Therefore, your argument is flawed. Life is wherever the Lord puts it and in whatever form. So, if He says He knit me together in my mother's womb, who is man to think he has the wisdom to determine the moment that "life" began!?!
---daphn8897 on 3/6/06


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Thanks for the clarification, Lupe

MADISON:
No matter how long ago the abortion and subsequent trauma happened, I recommend that your sister go to a Crisis Pregnancy Center to get help from other godly women.

BTW it may help to have a memorial service for the child, giving it a name.
---John_T on 3/6/06


Thank you Willow or Mike. We all love God and want to answer right. Topics like this can get a little out of hand. Devorce, abortions, answering those are kind of hard because there are many devorces and all or different. giving the wrong answer could cause a bigger problem and with abortion, we should do what is right but many times because of cercumstances they choose wrong. I made a lot of decisions in life and many were wrong. I just hope I made more good ones then bad ones.
---Lupe2618 on 3/6/06


2. We sometimes become to passionate about God's Word and we don't mean to attack someone and we do. I enjoy your answers very much and many others. The subject about Abortion is a very touchy subject. For one it concerns the women. I for one know what God teaches but if I was a women I don't know for sure what I would do. Praise God I don't have to make that choice as a women does. I just felt it was a little harsh on her having to explain why she feels that way.
---Lupe2618 on 3/6/06


No, John T. You did not, and many others didn't either, I said your names and after I agreed with the issue, but some other did, and I know how it feels when you have to go around and explain yourself. I believe what many say because I stand against abortion. We should say why, but what I saw from some was, they went against her character. In my case I kind of blew it when talking because of my daughters expearince and how we stopped her. I answered Madison by my experience and eomotions.
---Lupe2618 on 3/6/06


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"lee, I think you are on slippery slope." But you have to admit that the Scripture states that the "life is in the blood" (Lev. 17:11). And would it not necessarily follow that if there is no blood there is no life? Thus a fertilized egg of less than 18 days has no life.
I do not advocate abortion for any reason, however, one may find some justification in certain medical situations. For those medical reasons, I would not consult anyone against such procedure despite its ugliness.
---lee on 3/6/06


Lupe:
Please tell me how I attacked anyone's character here.

All I did was 1: direct both of them towards help, 2: called her condemners "misguided" 3: tell her that Jesus does not condemn this side of heaven.

Rather charitable, especially since some push the murder aspect.
---John_T on 3/5/06


lee, I think you are on a slippery slope. You are splitting hairs where God apparently doesn't. I don't see in His word where He differentiates between 1 week or 12 weeks into pregnancey. A "natural" abortion is far different than a woman deliberately ending the life. Ending human life is not the right of any man/woman - it is God's and His alone.
---daphn8897 on 3/5/06


thank you Lupe. lol but I am a man willow is the firs apart of the ministry the Lord gave me.my name is mike3966 and I have used willow for 5 years now on this site, my friends in this crazy GO blessed family wouldn't know me.
GOD bless you
---willow on 3/5/06


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Madison
Is abortion murder?
---willow on 3/5/06


2. Sister Madison answers by her expearences and Willow by hers. And each one by what they have been through and what they know about Scripture. Some things we cannot compromise in Scripture but when we personally attack someone's character is wrong. Look as what Eloy has said, and how about Alan having to go through answering over and over to many. We should debate scripture against false doctrines but personal things should never happen within the body of Christ. Emotionally we always answer wrong.
---Lupe2618 on 3/5/06


I myself have read most of what has been said from everyone. I do not agree with Madison on the Liberal issues but I have gone as far to say I am sorry to sister Madison for crossing the line. I believe everyone is right on the issues. M.P. John T. and others. What I don't think should happen is to attack someone's character because they don't see what we see. I did that once with Madison and I felt a conviction to ask for forgiveness. I know I was wrong by attacking her character.
---Lupe2618 on 3/5/06


Madison:

Have you and your sister gone to a Crisis Pregnancy Center? She needs grief counseling, and another woman who will not condemn her.

The loss is tremendous, and the added guilt of the church is almost unbearable.
Jesus said, "Come unto me all you who are weary, and burdened; I will give rest"

Jesus does not condemn this side of heaven; only the misguided do.
---John_T on 3/5/06


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"Would you not agree that conception is the beginning of that knitting?" Not totally as a fertilized egg can be naturally aborted or it can be deliberately aborted by use of certain types of birth control methods. Again, the life is in the blood and a fertilized egg does not necessary have any blood until the 18th day or even later.
---lee on 3/5/06


Willow: My sister aborted her only pregnancy, and was outcast by the Catholic church. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital 10 months after her abortion, and I tried to arrange for our priest to give her communion. He never did. I will call anyone who says to a woman that had an abortion "murder is murder" heartless. I know the pain my sister has suffered because of heartless religious people. She, to this day, will not attend any church. Her abortion was before Roe v Wade.
---Madison on 3/5/06


Thanks Willow. No I wasn't hurt though. I just wanted to clear things up.
---M.P. on 3/5/06


Just because some of us just give verses, does not mean we don't have personal events in ours past.
---Ulrika on 3/5/06


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Madison
I thank GOD that you don't bear that burden. I also gave my believes based on the Word of GOD ..and you called me heartless I've seen the Agony of the choice..but SIS sin is sin little or big sin is sin. I am currently counseling a christian woman who made the choice twice.she can't believe GOD can forgive her,if you want to help her.. please pray for Trisha.
---willow on 3/5/06


MP I truly understand what you were tring to say...I am sorry I was harsh to you.I did not mean to hurt you..and for that I AM SORRY!
---willow on 3/5/06


Moderator, I believe God knows us before we are born, and as a purpose for us before we born. Paul was called on the road to Damascus. Act 9:4-6.

Moderator - Absolutely
---Ulrika on 3/4/06


I've seen a movie based on fact about a woman with cancer and with child. She chose the child over treatment. She kept a video diary for her child. Even cancer wouldn't cause me to abort. I'd do my best and let God do the rest.
---Nellah on 3/4/06


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Willow, I simply sent my response to you because you asked " tell me where is the IF and the I." Madison had used these words and you didn't seem to realise that she had. I was just pointing this out to you because Madison had made several comments. It looks as though you were challenging her over something because you had missed one of her postings - that's all. No argument intended or desired so I will leave this particular question to others from this point.
---M.P. on 3/4/06


Until you walk in a person's shoes, you do not know their pain. I saw the pain in the couple who chose to try to save the life of the mother by taking the child prematurely. I saw her lose her hair and wither away to cancer. I was at her funeral, as her husband and four year old mourned her passing. I felt their pain. I would have never told them they murdered their child. To do so is heartless. If you choose to say it is murder, then you choose to be heartless.
---Madison on 3/3/06


Willow: I did not judge. I gave my feelings about your response. I have been in two crisis pregnancies. One was when I was 18, and unmarried. My sister, who had an abortion years earlier, told me I did not have to have my baby. I told her she was wrong, and carried my child. My third pregnancy was when my husband told me he would divorce me if I did not abort. I kept my child.
---Madison on 3/3/06


It is sin to kill an unborn child. Psalm 139:13-16 Matthew 19:18 Romans 1:29 God forgives us if we confess our sins to Him. 1John 1:9 Women can have an abortion just because. Any or no reason. When and if, she comes to her senses, she has guilt to live with. It would be better to just allow abortions in cases of rape or the mother's health,than what the law is now. What a paradox, they couldn't find someone to give a sedative shot to a convicted murder and rapist.
---Ulrika on 3/3/06


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Moderator, On #23 of the Stem cell Quiz, the answer is true. The question: God set Paul apart and called him by grace while in his mother's womb. Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace. I think God, who separated Paul from his mother's womb, called him by grace. These to events may not have happened at the same time, because of the wording of the verse.

Moderator - Do you believe that God has his call on our life even before we are born? Probably so.
---Ulrika on 3/3/06


madison
I will not back down on this issue. if you are convicted by the Holy Sprirt that is between you and GOD..dont call me "heartless" because I'm standing on GODs Word "thou shall not Kill". you have annoying habit of judging others..yet when you are called on it you complain. read ezekiel 11:19.
---willow on 3/3/06


M.P. I didn't need to read them. my first response was to the Question asked my MiMA baised on "thou shalt not commit murder".. not to madison she chose to single me out becase she was convicted by the HOLY Spirit.. I responded..albeit..harshly because I have counciled post abortive women..I have seen the brokenness..I've seen their AGONY. I weep for every heart that is broken because of this sin.
---willow on 3/3/06


Life IS in the blood. Here's why. At conception, the embryo has all the genes that will determine his personal uniqueness until death. But even a tiny being of a few cells cannot survive without oxygen. That is the purpose of blood, carrying oxygen. The unborn child takes oxygen from his mothers' blood. Even after his heart and blood develop, his own blood cannot keep him alive until he is out of the womb, filling his lungs with air. Thus I believe life begins at conception, and is SUSTAINED by the blood.
---Donna on 3/3/06


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Problem is this: Some cancers are unappparent until they grow, fed by the pregnancy hormones. So, a woman could think she is cancer free, conceive, then the cancer is visible to be diagnosed. Then she has to make that terrible choice.
---Madison on 3/3/06


lee, Scripture says we are fearfully and wonderfully made. It also says the He knit us in our mother's womb. Would you not agree that conception is the beginning of that knitting? the casting on (for those of us who actually knit)? Just throwing that out there. Personally, I believe in trusting God to open or close my womb. Especially with all the side effects that can accompany most birth control methods out there. I figure He's big enough to control and wise enough to determine if pregnancy happens.
---daphn8897 on 3/3/06


What concerns me is that some birth control pills and methods have been labeled as abortives by the Roman Church. While it is true that the IUDs for instance, prevent the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the walls of the womb, they are not abortive because from a biblical standpoint, the life is in the blood (Lev. 17:11)and a fertilized egg has no blood until about the 18th day. Life does not necessarily begin at conception.
---lee on 3/3/06


Thanks Donna & Ralph, for saying it so well. As you've said, morality (or lack thereof) is legislated all the time... it's just a matter of who's.
---daphn8897 on 3/3/06


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I agree, Ralph7477. The old saw about "not being able to legislate morality" is nonsense. We do it all the time. Almost any law you can name goes back to a moral code. When destroying another human life is something we can just "decide" to do, we are in sad shape. The time to "decide" is BEFORE conception. But I also believe there should be allowances for danger to a womans life, rape and incest. None of these are a choice, but a misfortune.
---Donna on 3/2/06


it is not only possible, but not even so rare anymore, for a woman to be diagnosed with cancer after she becomes pregnant...picked up by her OB during a prenatal exam. I've had chemo. Awful! Chemo kills DEVELOPING cells (that's why it is used for cancer). My sis-in-law's doc (years ago) discovered thyroid cancer during her pregnancy. She had several hours of surgery, carried the child to term but the baby only lived about 24hrs. and would have been severely developmentally disabled had she survived.
---Donna on 3/2/06


I stopped the cart to pick up the horse. I have had a mother and a step-mother die of cancer. My mother refused Chemo and went absolutely crazy with the pain. My step-mother accepted the drugs and continued living for years. Maybe the cancer itself is not passed on but, I think, the lessened ability to fight the cancerous cells is passed on to the infant. They have studied cancer and determined that it may be certain cells that continue living when they are supposed to die.
---gregg on 3/2/06


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