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What Is The Mark Of The Beast

What do you believe about the mark of the beast? Will it be a physical recognizable sign on the skin? Hidden under the skin only detectable by a electronic device? Or what?

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The object is worship...Who do we worship ,God or the beast? Forehead and right hand are symbolic.Forehead = our minds and hand = our actions. Yes, there will be some way that identifies us so we who don't follow the beast can't buy or sell.Could be a microchip.. the object is worship.Will you believe with your mind the lies of the beast and follow with actions or will you refuse and obey God alone? Mark and seal... the mark of the beast, the seal of God...these words are used in a similar way.
---Gail on 6/14/08


There are many references to this mark in Revelation. It is going to be put in the right hand or forehead (if you have no right hand) and it will be necessary for buying and selling. It is a microchip. Please see Aaron Russo's interview in which he talks about this major aim of the Rockefellers. It may be a ploy to rid the world of the last Christians.
---frances008 on 6/14/08


"Moderator - Yes, ecumenical is worldwide Christian unity at the expense of the Bible ie they can believe anything they want. Prosperity teaching would say that if you are not rich and healthy you are not obeying God and don't have enough faith. Seeker-Friendly entertains the goats versus teaching the sheep."

There are many other blogs, and you're going to have to search them out with all of the scriptural references if you're interested.

I do my homework and you can do the same.
---Marcia on 6/14/08


According to Revelation 13:16-18 in the Holy Bible it is a physical mark.
---Eloy on 2/6/08


In Greek, the mark of the Antichrist is, chi + xi + digamma= cxf.
The Antichrist is, Nebuchadnezzar.
And the unholy trinity is number 666.
In Greek, the mark of God is, omega + pi + eta= wph.
The Christ is, Iesous.
And the holy trinity is number 888.
---Eloy on 2/6/08




Guy is right. There is only two choices to make. You can't sit on the fense here. You either chose to belong to the group found in Rev. 12:17 or choose the teachings of Satan (lies) given by people, dead or alive, that did not have the testimony of Jesus, nor did they keep all of the commandments and taught others to do the same.
---Dr._Rich on 2/4/08


Willow:

I'm not sure where you're getting all your pagan god equivalencies, but if you MUST use them, you should remember that Zeus is the Greek equivalent of Jupiter, whose name is on the 5th planet, totally separate from Saturn.
---StrongAxe on 2/4/08


MODERATOR: An exact text not aways available to match a certain term BUT safe/sound deductive reasoning acceptable. EX:
God authored commandments.
Rome authored 1st Sunday law
God made the Sabbath and sanctified it.
Rome "made" Sunday, called it "venerable"
God called Sabath day of rest
Rome called Sunday day of rest!
So here is a conflict, NO TEXTS! Yet you are able to id conflcit: G's law vs M's law using ded. reasoning! P.

Moderator - Pierre, the Sunday law change is past tense. The GREAT apostasy is future tense. If you are correct, the Anti-Christ would have already lived in the 4th century which is false because the Anti-Christ hasn't taken over. The scipture is clear there is a Great Apostasy that brings in the Anti-Christ. Study the word apostasy.
---Pierre on 2/4/08


I have found a few sites speaking of the Star being occultic because of it's hexagram shape and having it's origin in the occult and only being adopted as a Jewish symbol around 200 years ago. Wikpedia has a small explanation also
---Tracy on 6/11/06


The Mark of the Beast is definately put in contrast with the "seal of God" which has to do with deep spiritual matters.When those things are considered, it becomes easy to understand. Why would God pour out His wrath because of something physical; and how can something physical be affiliated with the act of worship??
---Guy on 4/25/06




elisa
I talked to a friend and Jewish scholar who is also the leader of Ariel Ministries.

he claims that the star of david on the flag of Isreal may not or may be davids sheild. he wouldn't speculate on the occultic symbolism.
---willow on 4/23/06


looks like they gave me the mark of the beast for my penpal name. revelation is to be interpeted the same as a dream like daniel and joseph did they received their interpretation from God they did not figure it out. mans interpretation is one of the 6's the knowledge of man instead of the mind of Christ.exzucuh
---exzuc6636 on 4/23/06


Eliza: I've read only a small assortment of Kabbalistic things, but so far I haven't come across anything that goes against the normal concept of the OT teachings in any significant way. Is there something I'm missing? Are their more advanced teachings blasphemous?
---david8576 on 4/23/06


continued: The syncretism of hellenistic, Jewish, and coptic influnces did not, therefore, originate the symbol. It is probable that it was the kabbalah that derived the symbol from the templars, was used for a sign on amulets (witchcraft!)
---eliza4969 on 4/13/06


continued: It is noteworthy, moreover, that the shield of David is not mentioned in rabbinical literature. The "Magen Dawid," therefore, probably did not originate within rabbinism, the offical and dominant Judaism for more than 2,000 years.
---eliza4969 on 4/13/06


continued:on one jewish website you can look stuff up like an encyclopedia, I looked up star of david, the results are: The Jewish view of God, which permitted no images of Him, was and still is opposed to acceptance of any symbols, and neither the bible nor the talmud recognizes their existence.
---eliza4969 on 4/13/06


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willow: I have done many searches on the subject.1.I learned that Aleister crowley wrote about the hexagram.2.hitler was a satanist and was into witchcraft. 3. it is used in Freemasonry and the kabbalah, jewish mysticism which is not the true teachings of the bible.
---eliza4969 on 4/13/06


FYI
Pierre is inserting SDA eschatology in here AGAIN. (sigh)

To see a full discussion of this, and other SDA items, almost 550 entries long, please go to http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1138014417.htm#11449043041496
---John_T on 4/12/06


eliza
I was a satanist.there is no refrence to the six pointed star other than that saturn is the 6th planetand the god saturn aka marduke aka zeus aka odin ect. the star of david was to be the magnet to draw the Jews back to the Land the LORD gave them and of course a pagan would be falsely taught because satan wants all jews dead.
check it out on the net and in the word
GOD bless you
---willow on 4/12/06


Mod:
Dan 3
REV 13:13-17
REV 14: 7-12
Rom 6:16
Mk: 7:9
---Pierre on 4/11/06


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As in the time of Daniel, very soon a certain force will once again seek to establish and enforce a false standard of truth/worship. The central issue will be wheher ot not to side with God and to worship Him as our Creator and Master obeying His commandments or to side with the force wich will promote obedience to its commandments. Choosing the latter is the same as receving "the Mark of the Beast".

Moderator - Show the scriptures.
---Pierre on 4/11/06


continued: the 6 pointed star was not given to the Jewish people by God the 7 branched candle stick was. (you shall not make any graven image for yourselves to worship)
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


continued: also the planet saturn is the 6th planet from the sun and you can not do astrology with out the use of the 6 pointed star. and the math of the star is a 6 within a 6 within a 6. 6 points, 6 triangles, 6 sides of a hexagon in the center.
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


How I found this out was I know someone I have been praying for to receive the Lord who is into paganism I told her she should not wear the pentagram around her neck and then she told me about the 6 pointed star that in paganism it is the sign of the devil and the pentagram is protection to them. so I checked out the history of both on the internet and also found those scriptures.I was shocked!
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


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continued; if you look at the ancient history of the star you will see it has been used primarily by people that are into magic until recently.
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


continued: in Amos 5:26 it says: you also carried sikkuth your king and chium, your idols, the STAR of your gods, which you made for yourselves. then in Acts it says the STAR of your god Remphan. which was a symbol (the star) of the worship of the planet saturn.
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


No I am not saying the Jews are satanic! and yes it could have something to do with the microchip that is as small as a grain of rice. what I am saying is it could be a beginning of what the mark could contain. in the scriptures Amos 5:26 and Acts 7:43
---eliza4969 on 4/11/06


so you are saying that the Jews are satanic?

lololol
---willow on 4/11/06


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Eliza, some scripture reference to back up the Star of David, please?

Also, we could use some scripture reference to back up the book someone quoted about people who have communal worship on Sunday getting the mark of the beast. That sounds a bit ludicrous to me. In Mark chapter 2, Jesus was communing with his disciples on the Sabbath. If I interpret you correctly, they would get the mark of the beast too.
---Connie on 4/11/06


No one knows for sure - it's only speculation. The only thing for certain is that it has to be world wide, to be effective and you can not buy or sell without it. The latest thinking at present is it some sort of micro chip that can be inserted under the skin. It will hold all types of data, including your bank account number. You can only buy or sell if your account number can be scanned. (This is only one idea as to what the Mark of the Beast might be.)
---WIVV on 4/10/06


Where do you get that idea, Eliza? I've never heard that at all.
---Ann5758 on 4/10/06


The mark will be the 6 pointed star. also known as the star of david.
---eliza4969 on 4/10/06


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Using John 6:66 if far fetched.
Division of Scripture nito chapters and verses came around or after the time of the printing press. Some place the versification during the times of the circuit riders. I am not sure on that, but versification and chaptering was not part of the original manuscripts.
---John_T on 3/30/06


You can find the same principle when Peter rebuked Jesus for talking about going to die and be raised again. Just moments after calling him "Peter", He called him "Satan" for, though he knew Him, he knew not the things of God.
---Linda on 3/30/06


"How about in the gospel of John 6:66, "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him." The Mark of the Beast, those who no longer follow him."

Amen. Those who left Him were those who thought His saying was a hard saying. In other words, they couldn't understand His work or why it would be necessary to feed on it. Bread~broken body; His death Wine~the new covenant in His blood which was shed
---Linda on 3/30/06


How about in the gospel of John 6:66, "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him." The Mark of the Beast, those who no longer follow him.
---ruben on 3/30/06


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There are two seeds, The only begotten Son of God the other seed is the seed of the Devil, everybody else, thats why we are bornagain we become Gods seed and have the mark of Christ in our foreheads, the blood. Everybody else has the mark of the beast, they are carnal,the #6 is for man, 666 the body is not submitted the soul is not submitted the spirit is not submitted, exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 3/29/06


There are two seeds, The only begotten Son of God the other seed is the seed of the Devil, everybody else, thats why we are bornagain we become Gods seed and have the mark of Christ in our foreheads, the blood. Everybody else has the mark of the beast, they are carnal,the #6 is for man, 666 the body is not submitted the soul is not submitted the spirit is not submitted, exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 3/29/06


I have a book in my library entitled the Mark of the Beast. It was written by the Seventh Day Adventists. The book claims that Christians that have communal worship on sunday instead of the jewish sabbath will receive the Mark of the Beast during the end times. But for them, they have a faith-works doctrine in which one is saved by grace but salvation can be lost thru lack of obedience to certain commandments.
---lee on 3/29/06


EXCELLENT FRED_S! Just excellent! How much fear has been placed upon us by man who fails to see the first five words (the key to the door) of that book:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ......."

Praise the Lord!
---Linda on 3/17/06


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Mod- Your comment shows the differences between the UK churches and the US churches. Here, we equate Episcopalian with Liberalism, and throw in the Anglicans.
My seminary, Reformed Episcopal continues to stand for the historic fundamentals of the faith, worshipping liturgically. They have done this since 1887, or so.
Recently, the denomination joined with the Anglican church due to great similarities. Just like all baptists are not ABCs all liturgical worshippers are liberal Episcopalians.
---John_T on 3/6/06


Ex 13:9 "[Celebrating passover] shall be as a sign on your hand and as a reminder on your forehead;"

This language connotes that God will be present in our thoughts and deeds, not that it's a literal sign. St. John uses this language in Rev. The mark of the beast need not be understood as literally a mark. It is evident in that we accept him in our thoughts and deeds.
---Justin on 3/6/06


Mod ... I think we are saying the same thing but with a different perspective? You say "Lukewarm is not a small doctrinal difference Revelation 3:16-17" I agree but as I said, the first impression is not always the correct one. The revelation passage is about warmth of heart and actions (perhaps hidden from immediate scrutiny) and not of outward show.

Moderator - Yes, the "outward show" could be exactly that a "show" versus the heart.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/6/06


Mod "Luke warm has little to do with worship style as you are mentioning above" Actually the things I mentioned were the way people lived their Christian life, not just worship style.Too easy to judge from initial impressions. This site shows harm when small doctrinal differences overshadow the simplw truth that Jesus died for us & we just need to accept Him as Lord.

Moderator - Lukewarm is not a small doctrinal difference Revelation 3:16-17
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/6/06


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Moderator, thanks again, that helps a lot. I frankly don't pay much attention to all the types of churches or movements, know there are many I don't listen to, especially prosperity preaching on TV, so I really didn't know what all those were about. Bible warns about corrupting the simplicity which is in Christ. Lot of snakes lurking in the garden!
---Darlene_1 on 3/5/06


Moderator,you're welcome,thanks for being so specific in your reply, think I understand better now. Ecumenical-worldwide Christian unity? Looked up prosperty teaching, is this it(as in 1 Timothy 6:5,9-11)? Teaches people to "use God" instead of "God using the people"? If based on giving, how does prosperty teaching, contrast with Bibles teaching of reaping what we sow? Sow sparingly, reap sparingly, & vice versa. Seeker Friendly-making church like world to draw people?

Moderator - Yes, ecumenical is worldwide Christian unity at the expense of the Bible ie they can believe anything they want. Prosperity teaching would say that if you are not rich and healthy you are not obeying God and don't have enough faith. Seeker-Friendly entertains the goats versus teaching the sheep.
---Darlene_1 on 3/5/06


MP I also attend very large Anglican church in evenings ... full of University students and young professionals. Highly intelligent people with young agile brains. Very weighty sermons indeed. Sometimes find it hard to concentrate, but it is refreshing to have to try!
Would any have converted me? Don't know, 'cos I am already converted 50 years ago, as you remember at a Billy Graham rally. But I think yes, but probably more conversions in the smaller subsidiary groups that one gets drawn into.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


MP When we first arrived in Bristol we attanded the nearest church, with people ogf higher intelligence, with realtively weightier and discussive sermons. High powered congregation ... solicitors doctors accountants architects etc, not the drivers and clerks of the other church. But after the first service my wife and I stood there with our four young children and not a single person spoke to us. So we went to the other one!! Better sermons, but less Christian love.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


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MP I belong to an Anglican church in a relatively working class area, where most of the congregation are not of excessive intelligence. The sermons are geared to that level ... no great long whys and wherefores ... they would not be understood.
I go to that church because they are lovely kind Christian people who gave welcome when the family arrived in Bristol 25 years ago. I suppose you could say the faith is fairly simple (and is not the Jesus story simple?)
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Mod ... Luke warm ... now that I think is probably the most difficult to talk about, for there are those churches where everything is very contemplative, and others where they are very lively and always our door-knocking. Other Christians feel their calling is to pray or take food to the homeless rather than preach. Can an outsider say whether these are luke-warm or not?

Moderator - Luke warm has little to do with worship style as you are mentioning above. It has to do with a daily life style. Luke warm Christians "act" like Christians provided it is easy and fits in with their schedule. Pray and fast - sure if it is put on their calendar and there is nothing else better to do for the day. USA denominations that fit this would be Methodist, Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopalian - bottomline the old mainline denominations.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Mod ... Nowadays that would not happen, and Baptist and Anglican work together and have joint services sometimes, each recognising that the other had detail differences in doctrine and practice. Now I see that as good, and beleive that both are Christian, with different shading. We would also work together on matters of social concern. In my Anglican church we have two really Christian ladies, both working as librarians, one for the Baptist Theological College, the other for the Methodist College!

Moderator - Would the Apostle Paul work together with false teachers and false prophets?
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Mod ... Ecumenical In the UK we do have ecumenical activities, which involve churches working together, which I find welcome. I remember as a youngster listening, (for I attended on in morning and one in evening) to the Baptist minister fiercely attacking the Anglican practice of Infant Baptism, and the Anglican Vicar responding in kind by attacking the Adult only doctrine of the Baptists. Most angry and ungentlemanly!!

Moderator - Ecumenical is a coming to together in the lowest form of doctrine as not to offend. Would the apostle Paul work with the false teachers and false prophets in the name of unity? No!
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


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Mod ... But if you mean by Seeker-friendly that there is never a gospel message about the need for salvation ... I would agree this is wrong. I think though that if you identify a church as being like this on a first visit, you may find that there is in fact a much greater depth to it.

Moderator - Seeker-Friendly will not talk about the deeper things of Christ ie salvation, sin, repentance, blood of Christ, hell, prayer, fasting, etc. Messages are little psychological self-helps.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Mod ... Seeker-friendly ... well maybe sometimes this is valid to get the folk into the church community, then they can be invited to an Alpha course or to a home group where they can be really "worked on". Could this be more effective than hitting them with a "hell-fire" sermon the first time they come into the church? I have mentioned before the policy of "softlee, softlee catchee monkee", maybe there is a place for this? A cat does not catch a mouse by rushing at it.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Mod ... I understand what you say ... MO may be also able to comment on whether these different tyoes of church exist to any extent in the UK, and what the terms mean over here. But I can comment a little, although this will ramble (sorry) over several blogs! I have not come across prosperity teaching here, although I understand that it is feature of the growth of some churches, attended mainly by non-white people, and the leaders make a lot of money out of their flocks.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


3. You also say that the sermons are not at all weighty, by that I'm assuming you mean of no spiritual depth. If the sermons you get are typical of Anglican sermons I used to sit through they will be about 12 minutes long and not very spiritual at all. Ask yourself, when you listen to them, "Would I ever have been converted listening to this?" If the answer is "no" then I guess you have often said "Thank you God for sending Billy Graham".
---M.P. on 3/5/06


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2. .but it can sometimes be a good guide. Their answer could then lead you to ask them a further question about how and when they were saved or explain to them that no-one is born a Christian etc. There are right times and right places to do this of course so just be guided.
---M.P. on 3/5/06


1. Alan, this is not said to suggest that you try to 'trick' anyone but if you get into conversation with someone in your church who you don't know too much about (spiritually) and asked them "so how long have you been a Christian?" they will either answer something like "almost five years" or "all my life". This isn't foolproof of course because it does not allow for those who went forward in some meeting years ago but were not really saved (but they still think they are).
---M.P. on 3/5/06


Moderator, help! I don't know what you mean when you say a church can have the antiChrist spirit. Never heard that before. Is that like being a cult with weird and false doctrine? I'm puzzeled how it would work to have a facade of a Christian Church yet not talk about Christ or against Him. Please explain. Thank you.

Moderator - Thanks for the question as I believe most today don't know that the Church or the Body of Christ is in an apostate condition. Some of the big picture apostate groups would include the following types of churches: prosperity, seeker-friendly, luke warm and ecumenical. These 4 groups comprise the majority of Christianity today which isn't the Christianity of the Bible. If you have specific questions in regard to any of these groups, I would be glad to answer them.
---Darlene_1 on 3/5/06


Mod thank you for reponding to my comments. You say "The issues you mention are not apostate issues, but are preferences" I agree with you, but the impression here is that some do make judgments by those things. "It is very easy to know if a church has the anti-christ spirit because we have the scriptures as the guide" I will accept that individuals sometimes behave in an unChrist like way, but have not ever felt it of a congregation.

Moderator - If you visit the USA, I will give you a tour of the prosperity, seeker-friendly, luke warm and ecumenical churches. These all have the anti-christ spirit. Some are Christians, however they would be the exceptions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


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MP... So it is difficult for us to say who is a real Christian. I'm not sure that the type of sermon is necessarily indicative of whether the congregation is real Christian or not. I know my "morning" church has many very sincere & deeply ... (don't know just what to say, but they are REAL Christians in faith and deed, although many are getting frail) yet the sermons are not at all weighty.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


MP... Having said 60% I was already thinking I had been optimistic!! & I have been thinking of the churches I attend or where I have close connections.
But how to judge? We all worship &live our Christian life in different ways. Soe are demonstrative in worship, other quiet. Some give public testimonies, and others get on quietly witnessing among friends, coleagues, clients,etc. Some spend a lot of time on the Lord's work through their church, others will do it by getting involved in community work.

Moderator - The issues you mention are not apostate issues, but are preferences. It is very easy to know if a church has the anti-christ spirit because we have the scriptures as the guide.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/5/06


Alan I hope that you are not just being optimistic. I would love to be able to accept the 60% you quote but this has not been remotely my experience. Have you visited many different churches and denominations on a regular basis to get a real feel of the places and the people (and the type of sermons they are hearing) or is this figure based on one-off visits here and there?
---M.P. on 3/5/06


Maria:
The C Laws had ro do with ceremony as it related to the sacrificial services, pointing to the upcoming sacrifice of Jesus as our Saviour. As soon as He expired the C Laws lost their reason for being. They were TEMPORARY!
The M Laws have to do with the RIGHT +WRONG way for us to relate to our fellow men and to worship God. They are LONG TERM! P.
---Pierre on 3/4/06


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JT: Let me set the record straight!
I blieve in a jugement that has as one of its phases an "investigation of mens' records"
I do not believe in "the shut door theory" unless you consider the end of probation as a time when the door of salavation will be shut.
As for "soul sleep" I don't know what you are talking about. P.
---Pierre on 3/4/06


Mod ...# 3 I would say that he proportion of Christians attending churches in the UK who are real Christians (not lukewarm) is much higher than 10% ... probably more than 60%
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/4/06


Mod ...# 2 In the UK situation, it takes a bit more strength of character to admit being Christian & going to church, so the lukewarm drop off quite fast. Where there is real physica1 persecution, you reaaly are in danger if you are a Christian. Perhaps a persecuted church will always be stronger than a tolerated one?

Moderator- Probably.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/4/06


Mod ...# 1 there seems perhaps to be different public perceptions of Crhitianity in US and UK. In US it seems to be generally reagrdedas socially acceptable, and the President proclaims his Christian faith, & your currency says "in God we trust" In the UK church attendance % is lower, and you are regarded as slightly odd if you go to church, & our prime minister is rather shamefaced when admitting his Christian faith influences his decisions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/4/06


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P - How can the observance of a day of the week be anything but a ceremonial act? Moral law involves things of morality such as murder, stealing, adultery, etc. - things that relate to principles of right or wrong. Can a person be deemed righteous by some observing some event in memory of something?
---maria on 3/4/06


Pierre admitted to being SDA. We have almost 500 posts on another thread about this sort of thing.

It is important for all to know that when he writes, he is assuming an "investagative judgment", a "closed door" of salvation until 1844, and the specious doctrine of "soul sleep"

This is NOT to deny he is saved. Rather to let others see his theology. (or lack thereof) ;-)
---John_T on 3/4/06


Alan, I don't know what your church is like, except that it is Anglican, but in my experience the percentage of 'real' Christians within many churches is very low. Evangelicals and some pentecostal churches have possibly a higher percentage but I believe that the majority of people who attend church (whichever denom.) do not know Jesus as their Saviour. The main reason is that they don't hear much about Him from the pulpit these days. Sermons are trendy, jolly little talks.
---M.P. on 3/4/06


Since the book of Revelation is substantially a symbolic, spiritual book, we might expect the mark of the beast to have symbolic meaning and have something to do with worship. Perhaps the mark in the hand represents our works; and the forehead, our thoughts. We know from scripture (Exo 31:16,17) that Sabbath observance is the "sign" of allegiance to the Creator God. Sunday observance is claimed by the RCC as the "sign" of her ecclesiastical authority (the number of his name is 666).
---jerry6593 on 3/4/06


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Allan: I quoted the 5.000.000 quote a long time ago.
The source: History of the Rise and Influence of Rationalism in Europe vol 2 p. 32 by W.E.H. Lecky
"That the church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than an other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has competant knowledge of history" More people were killed by the papacy during the Dark Ages than by Hitler during WWII and that number was 6.000.000! P.
---Pierre on 3/4/06


MARIA: NO! We are done with the CEREMONIAL LAWS! We are talking 1o commandments (Moral LAW) to be kept NOT TO BE SAVED but BECAUSE WE ARE SAVED!!! I absolutely reject SALVATION BY WORKS as well as salvation without works! I hope you get the difference. In add: Know that in NT, Israel is same as God's church. P.
---Pierre on 3/4/06


Moderator/Mima
Correct, the change from SA to SU took place in the past but the anti-christ, which you also correctly describe as more than the leadership of the RCCH has not yet shown its worst side, that of enforcer of stricter Sunday laws than any we have kbown so far. (Read 2 THES 2:3-4.
Finally REV 12:17 tells us how the dragon will (future) treat God's faithful and REV 13:15-17 tells how far he will (future) be willing to go to defeat God's faithful. So the worst is yet to come! P.

Moderator - Pierre, the Anti-Christ will not need to enforce too much as the apostate church and Anti-Christ are already of the same spirit. The apostate church could care less what is the day of worship as this is the Lukewarm church. True Christians worship daily not on the weekends.
---Pierre on 3/4/06


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