No Meat And No Wine
Considering Colossians Chapter 2:16, do denominations such as, seven-day Baptist, seven-day adventist or people who insist that you cannot eat meat or drink wine at communion have any credibility in their positions and condemnations of others?
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---mima on 3/4/06
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Once while walking down the street with a student in China I said, some people in America think that the Chinese eat dogs. To which the student replied, well if you get hungry enough you will eat dog too. Now I kept my eyes straight ahead and continued walking.(I do not believe in the saying, when in Rome to as the Romans do!!! |
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---Mima on 8/14/08 |
Joel Osten recently and this is posted so you can see the film pointed out that GOD directed humans not to eat food that was bad for you by labeling certain foods unclean. Food such as Vultures, dogs, Horses, cats all types of animals that are scavengers or bottom feeders.
He makes the point that food will not save you. But it can cut short your life. |
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---Samuel on 8/12/08 |
Jerry - you ignore the basic principle of interpretation that scripture must be interpreted by scripture otherwise you will have contradictions with scripture that are fairly plain.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or new moon, or Sabbath days...
Romans 14:20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
If you insist upon the view that Christians have been restricted as to certain foods based on Acts 15:20 (except weak in the faith) then you must twist the plain meaning of other scripture to get them to agree with what you wish to believe. |
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---Lee1538 on 8/11/08 |
Lee: "I think scripture is very clear that for the Christian there are no restrictions regarding what one may eat or drink."
Perhaps you should clean your glasses.
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Sounds like OT dietary restrictions to me. BTW, do you observe these NT dietary restrictions yourself? |
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---jerry6593 on 8/11/08 |
I think scripture is very clear that for the Christian there are no restrictions regarding what one may eat or drink. In fact those that advocate food restriction probably subscribe to what the Scripture condemns as a doctrine of demons.
1 Tim. 4:1-4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,...forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: |
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---Lee1538 on 8/7/08 |
Colossians 2:
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations 21 Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle, 22 which all concern things which perish with the usingaccording to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. |
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---Kay on 8/7/08 |
No, they don't have any credibility. But I'll bet they think they do. Communion is not about us or the elements. It's about Jesus and what He did for us. All the arguing about it just takes away from the real meaning. We are one with Him if it's wine or if it's grape juice. No meat?.. lCor 10:26-27 says that whatsoever is sold in the meat market,eat and whatsoever is set before you, eat. |
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---john on 8/6/08 |
I'll pass on both.
......rachel..... |
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---Reiter on 11/13/06 |
it seems this comment is aimed at trodding down SDAs and it is unchristian dont you think? whatever the motive is, let me tell you this, if you want to question our credibility and our belief, I invite you to visit one of our churches near you and I guarantee you, they will welcome you with open arms and answer any question you may ask. Visit with them instead and learn of their belief. It is all of the bible. |
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---jana on 9/17/06 |
I have known SDAs and have never been condemned by them. In fact, the positive outcomes of not using recreational drugs (including alcohol) and eating healthy are so convincing and credible that I think all Christians should live that way. OK, you can tar and feather me, but I'm with SDA. So are the facts and true science. |
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---marya4598 on 3/6/06 |
Read Daniel 1. Daniel and the Hebrew youth chose to eat vegetables and water instead of meat and wine and were proven much healthier. Our food prep has changed since OT days but there are still valid problems with unclean food. Yes, we eat what we are served not to offend but that does not give us license to eat anything we want just for the sake of freedom. Incidently, it has been proven that SDA vegetarians are among the healthiest people in the world. What a great witness. |
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---marya4598 on 3/6/06 |
Christians should look after their bodies as it is God's temple. I believe the way we care for it says a lot about who we are as Christians. We believe murder is wrong, so is suicide, but we commit murder and suicide by our lifestyles in not caring for our temples. HOw can we do the Lord's work well if we are unhealthy by our own choosing. |
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---marya4598 on 3/6/06 |
Did you mean "insist that you cannot drink wine at communion and cannot eat meat"? I did my wine comment. Here's my meat comment. SDA in general doesn't abstain from all meat, some are vegetarians. It's unclean meat they abstain from. Yes, we can eat all meat now. But some things to keep in mind. North Americans eat too much meat. Mediteranean diet has meat but in smaller portions. What we eat is just plain unhealthy. Vegetarian diet is much healthier than eating too much meat. |
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---marya4598 on 3/6/06 |
I'm Pentecostal - use grape juice never wine. So we're not credible? Never heard of eating meat at communion! There are good reasons for not using wine - alchohol is a drug. Some people become addicted at one taste of it. Others who are trying to quit may be tempted. That is entirely Christian - absolutely the responsible thing to do. I'm not 7th day, but, knowing their stand against drugs, they probably have the same view. This is not condemning others, it is the more compassionate thing to do. |
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---marya4598 on 3/6/06 |
Shira; Seveth day Baptists (founded Newport RI 1671) are Baptists who keep the 7th day sabbath! |
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---1st_cliff on 3/5/06 |
what is a seven day baptist? I have never heard of that. I am baptist and we eat what we want. |
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---shira on 3/4/06 |
JOHN: When did you last eat a "cold dog" or a snake? Never! Why not? Just kidding. P. |
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---Pierre on 3/4/06 |
1. We do not condem others for what they do or don' t do!
2. Communion does not serve meat!
3. Yes, we serve fresh grape juice at Communion.
I believe our position to be sound and our condemnation nonexistant! P. |
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---Pierre on 3/4/06 |
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