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Are You Saved And Why

Do you think you are saved and why? What is your daily walk like?

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Yes, I was Saved on August 12, 1972 when I as baptized. My daily walk is under Jesus' Mercy and Graces He gives me to bring me closer to Him. I fall many times during my walks. But Jesus always picks me up.
---Nicole on 5/21/08


Todd1>>> Trust God and His blood to save you. Have a great day.++
---catherine on 5/21/08


Todd1::One baby step at a time is all that is requiredIN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.To be counted as a Man among men is to ADMIT change never look back,b/c God's goal is ahead.Blessings.Gods church is in Matt16:17-19
---Emcee on 5/21/08


No I dont think I am saved, because my daily walk is without God and partaking in things I know are sinful. I once was saved, but now I'm lost, did see, but now I'm blind. But, I'm on my way back to the narrow path, in part due to websites like this.
---Todd1 on 5/21/08


Ruben,
Quite insightful!
---Nana on 5/21/08




Being saved is a past, present and future event:

Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved

Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling.

Rom. 13:11 - salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
---Ruben on 5/19/08


#2 Its similar to adoption. We are not born into the family of God, we need to be adopted. Typically the adoptee does not decide to join the family, but purely out of love and grace, the family initiates the adoption. Later the person can reject this adoption and leave the family if he so chooses. This is similar to how God initiates a relationship with man. He comes to us.
---Tina5349 on 5/19/08


Do I think I am saved? Yes, because I have trust Jesus to do what He really wants to do with me; and God seems to keep on receiving me, each day, to personally develop and guide me, each day.

What is it like? First thing in the morning, wondering if and how God will share with me and take me for the day; then it can be very pleasant, AFTER He CORRECTS me into His peace. And He has me interested in every person.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/19/07


All of my righteousness is in God through Jesus Christ. I am saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ who died for me.
I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
I have forgiven others.
I have confessed my sins.
I have repented
I have called on the Name of the Lord

I have publically confessed Jesus Christ as Lord. I have been baptised.
---Gail on 6/19/07


I believe Jesus Christ is the Living Son of God.
I believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.
I believe Jesus Christ walked this earth as Man and God.
I believe Jesus Christ died on the Cross, shed His Blood for me.
I believe Jesus Christ was buried and was resurrected on the third day, victorious over sin and death.
---Gail on 6/19/07




I believe Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of my Heavenly Father, making intercession for me.
I believe Jesus Christ shall return for me because He has gone to prepare a place, and I await for His return.

I believe Jesus Christ paid for all of my spiritual debts through His shed blood, to the glory of the Father. Jesus redeemed me from the curse of the law, being made a curse for me.
---Gail on 6/19/07


Moderator, You do put us in a tight spot. I guess I has better answer. I am saved. I know enough to obey God. I have already given my sinners prayer testamony two or three times. But really we do not need to prove anything, as long as God knows we are His. I also keep my eyes on Him. I thought that I would just mention that. I will mention one more thing, It is HOT here. One more thing, You cannot always tell by someones admissions whether or not they are truly saved. Have a good, good day.
---catherine on 6/19/07


Lets all run to the Bible find out what it means to be SAVED. We do not wish to let the cat out of the bag.
---catherine on 6/19/07


Jesus then called him Satan because, though he knew who Jesus was, he didn't know what Jesus came to do. One can believe that Jesus is the Christ yet know nothing about His work and still function in earthly, sensual, demonic wisdom. A gift not received does no good to the beneficiary, no matter how wonderful it is or how much it cost.
---Linda on 6/19/07


I am glad you know Karin that you are saved. That you feel that salvation with your heart. Many that are Christian do not have that assurance, so you are blessed. Thank you for your statement.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06


I KNOW I am saved, through Jesus blood, &through His spirit,& by faith.My daily walk is beautiful, fantastic, because Jesus is with me ALL the time, we are in constant communication ALL the day, everyday.In all situations He is with me , and my best friend, and He responds in many great ways.We walk and we talk, and I love Him above all.
---karin on 3/28/06


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3. And mainly on that one because Christ could not pay the debt for the one's in hell. If He had, they would be unjustly send to hell and as we know God is not unjust. They get what they deserve, and only what they deserve. Their debt was never paid and they still owe for their sins. Now, its fine that you disagree with me. Many do. There is no problem with that. I really enjoyed all of your comments.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


2. I had not heard of them so I asked. I was not saying they were wrong or right. I cannot make judgement on them without knowing what they are as they were taught to you. That was all. I said I had studied Justification from many authors. Justification by faith is one that I studied first. So each one has its own lessons. And yes, they do come together to form the basis of our faith. I read all that you had put down and really agreed with everything, other then the part about the Atonement.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


Tina, Maybe I don't explain myself very well. When I said that Justification is another topic I meant of itself. Of course they all come together at one point. Grace is one, Justification, Glorification, Sanctification. and so on. To speak of one, is a whole different topic from the other. That is what I meant. Not debating or anything. Like, lets say Justification, in the class or lessons you took they mentioned as you say, O.J. and S.J.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


Lupe, you said in your last post on this topic, "Justification is another subject all together." I disagree. Is this blog not about salvation? The doctrine of justification defines who God is: He is the one who was in Christ reconciling the world; He is the one who justifies through faith in Christ (Rom. 3:26)
---Tina5349 on 3/27/06


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"You disagree", In what do you disagree? I have not stated anything. I don't understand why you gave me a lesson about salvation, grace, or justification. Tina, maybe you have me confused with someone from another blog.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


I disagree. Salvation is all about Justification. Justification is that we are saved by grace alone, through faith in Christ alone. (Grace alone)God loves all people of the world, even though they are sinful and do not deserve His love. (Faith alone)By His perfect life, death and resurrection, Jesus won forgiveness and eternal life for all men. All who hear the Good News and believe it have eternal life. God creates faith in Christ through His Holy Word and gives people forgiveness through Jesus.
---Tina5349 on 3/27/06


Thank you Tina for you explanation on where you got your stuff. I was beginning to think I could not talk to you at all. thanks for your input. Justification is another subject all together. It is one that would take a long time also to explain. It cannot be spoken of in two or three parts. I have taken the course through A. Pink, RC Sproul and Charles Spurgeon. I have not heard of Subjective Justification so had no material on it. That is why I asked. Thanks.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


#1 Hi Lupe, I apologize for assigning motive yesterday. That was uncalled for, and I was wrong to do that. Regarding Objective and Subjective Justification; the doctrine *is* scriptural. Just because you dont see those particular words in the bible does not make the teaching un-scriptural. Show me the word "Trinity" or "vicarious" in the bible.
---Tina5349 on 3/26/06


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#2 We use the term "objective" to talk about truths which are true apart from human action. Those same truths are subjectively appropriated when a person becomes aware of them and believes them. If the truth of the justification of *all* men before God were not objectively valid before its appropriation by the individual, then there would be no basis upon which his personal faith could rest. We cannot believe in something which is only to become true by our believing it.
---Tina5349 on 3/26/06


#3 It must be a fact which is true prior to our believing it. This is our only firm foundation. Faith in something which is not a fact prior to our believing it is a delusion. OJ--2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 5:18; 4:25. SJ-- Rom. 3:28; 4:16. OJ is a judicial act in which God declares mankind not guilty. He pronounces a verdict of acquittal upon all sinners. It is an act of God outside of us. See Rom 5:18,19. SJ is when the fact of OJ becomes mine personally and I believe it is for me. Peace, Lupe.
---Tina5349 on 3/26/06


2. When you began to mention OJ and Sj, you are bringing something that I had not heard so I asked you very kindly. It was because if you really think of Subjective Justification, you will see why I ask. And He does take the "SIN" of the world. Wish you well in your studies.
---lupe on 3/26/06


Hello Tina, you acuse me of things and all I wanted from you to do was explain what you said in your lates posting, the ones just before I wrote. I had read all the others before and had not time to check all of them for I wanted to go one set at a time because of time, but since you seem to have already read my mine and what I am going to say and why I am saying them, it would be useless to try to speak Scriptures to you. I thought you were doing a great job in what you were saying,
---lupe on 3/26/06


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Yes I know I am saved.My life was going in the wrong direction,I cried out to Jesus and He heard me,and rescued me.
---Steven on 3/25/06


One more thing before I go. If one holds to the opinion that Christ died only for the elect he will unavoidably be left wondering if he is one of the elect. This inevitably leads one to find reasons in himself why God should bother about him, and to go looking inside self for assurance of salvation rather than outside oneself to Christ. This is similar to looking back at one's decision for assurance of salvation. At least I fail to see the difference.
---Tina5349 on 3/25/06


#1 Hi Lupe, I try to avoid the word "feel". It's so subjective dont you think? I would say your "lessons" on limited atonement are not found in scripture but are preconceptions imposed upon scripture in an attempt to apply reason. Yes, the OJ and SJ doctrine was obtained from a book, from scripture, and from my pastor.
---Tina5349 on 3/25/06


#2 I could give you scriptures, but since you seem to like doing eisegesis as well as exegesis, any scriptural evidence I give in support of my position won't matter to you because you are out to prove a point and will filter it through your previously held paradigm. This is not to say I don't hold biases as well. No one said that you have to agree with me either, Lupe. I dont believe that I am "blowing air" either. Thanks for the compliment!
---Tina5349 on 3/25/06


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#3 You said I didn't give scriptures. ? In this last series of posts I was attempting to take it one scripture at a time. Scripture: 2 Cor. 5:17, (anyone) 18, (us)19 (the world) Romans 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to *all* men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to *all* men. John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the *world*!
---Tina5349 on 3/25/06


#4 Because of the vicarious, universal atonement, salvation is available to *all*. "All" means all. "Anyone" means anyone who hears or reads God's Holy Word. The "world" means the world, not the "world of the elect." You are reading meaning into the text when you add more to it than what it says. You are not allowing scripture to speak for itself. I am out of time and patience today.
---Tina5349 on 3/25/06


2. Tina, another thing I didn't get because you didn't put a single Scripture down to explain, do you believe that Christ died as a substitution for the one's in hell? Just a question, this way I know what it is you are trying to say and why. And Tina, you don't have to agree with me but when I do give you something it will have Scripture so that you know I am not just blowing air with my words and nothing to back it up with. I hear a lot of talk from any Christians but it is all great, but not all true.
---Lupe2618 on 3/25/06


Tina, let me say that what you said in #2 and #3 I sure don't understand what it is you are talking about. It is not even found in my Hermeneutic books. So I cannot answer what it is you are saying that you see or feel. Give me Scriptures and I can look them up and then use a foundation of commentaries for I have ten of them. Your lessons about oj and sj and other things are not in Scripture. Are this lessons that you got from a book? Please explain
---Lupe2618 on 3/25/06


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No big thing about adding references. They're just a few letters and numbers, but if you have space, it's an appreciated time saver.
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06


No problem Linda. I, too, believe strongly in the authority of scripture which involves not only it's truthfulness but its utter unity, and consistency. One text does not contradict another text and one doctrine does not contradict another, even though they may *seem* to do just that. I am not an expert and the older I get the more I know I have to learn. It seems as though there are so many opinions expressed here that it is helpful for me to focus on one issue at a time. Thanks for understanding.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


Tina, sorry about that. I do tend to wander but still believe the Bible is one long scarlet thread from Genesis to Revelation. Sometimes I go the long way around, using the pictures in the OT and whatnot, but I do try to get back to the subject at hand.
---Linda on 3/24/06


Linda said, "Yes, we are by first birth born with a sin nature." Rx: Okay. That was the only point I was trying to clarify. "Where did I say we weren't." Rx: You didn't. You just kept arguing a point which we were not discussing and confusing the issue (at least confusing my feeble mind.) I was unclear as to the point you were trying to make.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


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"Remember; the cross of Christ achieves salvation but does not bestow the salvation which has been achieved. The Word of God bestows the salvation of the cross but does not achieve the salvation which was accomplished by the cross."

That was excellently stated, Tina.
---Linda on 3/24/06


Yes, we are by first birth born with a sin nature. Where did I say we weren't. However, when we are born again, we are righteous in nature, not sinful or having "a heart desperately wicked, who can know it."
---Linda on 3/24/06


"Linda--Who prayed the prayer you mentioned, "And I pray that your whole spirit...."? Please give references when you make a direct quote."

1 Thess.5:23
I very often leave out the references simply because of word limit per post. I assume most people have a concordance or have access to an online Bible search.
---Linda on 3/24/06


Linda, whether or not you believe we *still* possess a sinful nature *after* regeneration is not the point in question, although I believe you and I would disagree on that point as well. The point in question is whether or not we are *by nature* born sinful and unclean, ergo apart from the family of God.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


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Lupe, #1 Yes, lets attempt to tackle one thing at a time. I very much agree with your exegesis of the substitutionary death of Christ. No problem there. But then you go on to say "Then all died" Everyone who died in Christ receives the benefits of His substitutionary death (Romans 3:24-26; 6:8). With this short phrase "then all died" Paul defined the extent of the atonement and limited its application.

Rx: Nope. Im afraid this is where we part company.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


Lupe #2(a) Im going to take a guess that you are trying to wrap your mind around Objective Justification (OJ) vs Subjective Justification (SJ). OJ is that the whole world has been reconciled to God through the law-keeping life, the sacrificial death, the resurrection to life, and the enthronement of Christ in His ascension.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


#2 SJ is when OJ becomes mine personally. And it is personally applied (given) to me through the Word. Remember; the cross of Christ achieves salvation but does not bestow the salvation which has been achieved. The Word of God bestows the salvation of the cross but does not achieve the salvation which was accomplished by the cross.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


Lupe #3 I do not see any references in these passages which limit the atonement to the elect. This is where I believe you are imposing your preconceptions upon scripture and not allowing scripture to simply speak. "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself" 2 Cor 5:19.
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


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Lupe, #4 Remember Lupe, "There is no reason in us why God should bother about us." Norman Nagel. Forgiveness of sins is Christ centered, Christ located, through the Word of God outside ourselves. All gift (grace). Faith receives. "We are beggars; that is true." Martin Luther
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


Linda--Who prayed the prayer you mentioned, "And I pray that your whole spirit...."? Please give references when you make a direct quote.
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06


"And I pray that your whole spirit, soul, AND body be preserved (to preserve something is to keep it from spoiling or rotting, to keep from corruption) blameless unto the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
---Linda on 3/24/06


The Spirit of God does not give birth to anything that is contrary to the nature of God thus, being led of the born again spirit (in union with the Spirit of God) that issued from the Father would not result in anything but a manifestation of the Son of God or the Word made flesh. In other words, the adoption, to wit, the redemption of the body. It is by the renewing of the mind that tranformation comes.
---Linda on 3/24/06


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Alan, glad we have fellowship. I tried that with Eloy but he disfellowship me again, I thought I had it for a moment but no chance, what a guy, what a blow. No more humor but Scriptures for me. Thank you daphn for the reminder. We need reminders from others to keep us in line or keep me in line. Like I said before Daphn, Praise God He had mercy on us. Praise God there is a great many wonderful Christians out there like you Tina, Linda and many others, all for the glory of God.
---Lupe2618a on 3/24/06


Tina, I already did. I do not agree that we still have a sinful *nature*. Sin dwells in our flesh but our flesh is not our nature. When we are born again, we are spirit, not flesh. "He that is born of flesh is flesh; he that is born of the Spirit IS spirit." Born again of the Spirit of God would mean that we issued from that Spirit.
---Linda on 3/24/06


5. who died in Him." Tina, read what I wrote and come back to me. (That those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who "died for them and rose again". I can only go one passage at a time. Here we are restricted by space so it is difficult to explain everything as a whole, so I try to go one Passage at a time, I see where others speak and say a lot but each part of what they say can be explained but it takes time to teach every passage correctly in the space we have.
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


4. (Romans 3:24-26; 6:8). With this short phrase "then all died" Paul defined the extent of the atonement and limited its application. This statement logically completes the meaning of the preceding phrase, in effect saying, "Christ died for all who died in Him' or "One died for all, therefore all died" (see vereses 19-21; John 10:11-16; Acts 20:28). Paul was overwhelmed with gratitude that Christ loved him and was so gracious as to make Him a part of the "All"
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


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3. or "in the place of" sinners (Is. 53:4-12; Gal. 3:13; Heb. 9:11-14). This Truth is at the heart of the doctrine of salvation. God's wrath aginst sin required death; Jesus took that wrath and died in the sinner's place. Thus He took away God's wrath and stisfied God's justice as a perfect sacrifice (Romans 6:11,18,19; 1 Tim.2:5,6; Eph.5:2; 1 Thess. 5:10; Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 2:24). "Then all died" Everyone who died in Christ receives the benefits of His substitutionary death
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


" Linda, of course I meant *by nature* we are not born into the family of God. "

You must believe that the born again believer still has "a heart desperately wicked, who can know it". Am I right? We cannot be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures if we are not the same in nature as The Firstfruit, who is Jesus. He that is joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT with Him. Can't be one in spirit and be different in spirit.
---Linda on 3/24/06


2. 5:14 "the love of Christ" Christ's love for Paul and all believers at the cross (Romans 5:6-8). Christ's loving, substitutionary death motivated Paul's service for Him (Gal.2:20; Eph. 3:19). "Compels". This refers to pressure that causes action. Paul emphasized the strength of his desire to offer his life to the Lord. "One died for all" This expresses the truth of Christ's substitutionary death. The preposition "for" indicates He died "in behalf of,"
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


So Linda, what's your point? I am unsure if you are in agreement or at odds with the statement, "We are not *by nature* born a part of the family of God." I realize and agree that the initial statement was poorly worded and did not convey what I meant to say. If you would be so kind as to break your response down into simple, concise language that my feeble mind can begin to grasp, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
---Tina5349 on 3/24/06


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Hello sister Tina, I wish I had the space to explain everything I see and why but I can only go one passage at a time because of space. Let me start with 2Corin. 5:14, I will give you the intepretation in its entirety. Look for yourself and then come back to me and see if I have made my point to you. because you mention that I might be reading something to the passage that is not there. I would love nothing more then to explain how these passages come to light to me.
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


If one is led of the Spirit, there is no other expression (son) but that which is of the Spirit, which is none other than THE SON. The manifestation of the sons of God is the Son of God....and thatis what being led of the Spirit produces.
---Linda on 3/24/06


"That we might receive the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our BODIES." That is what SONS are...the expression of the Father. They that are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS of God. Led of the Spirit...expression of the Father...adoption...redemption of the body.
---Linda on 3/24/06


Linda, of course I meant *by nature* we are not born into the family of God. I totally agree with you when you say, "He brought us forth (birthed us) by the Word of truth that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures." In other words, He graciously adopts us into His family. Gal 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
---Tina5349 on 3/23/06


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#1 Lupe, faith is indeed a gift, God is sovereign, He is the initiator of faith, and men do *not* have the power of choice prior to regeneration. But I wonder if you might be reading into scripture something which it does not say in order to make sense out of it in your own mind.
---Tina5349 on 3/23/06


Lupe ... you ask "If God doesn't save you, who does?" Lupe, who here has ever suggested that God does not save us? You appear to be wrongly attributing false beliefs to those who clearly do not hold them.
---alan_of_uK on 3/23/06


#2 Lupe, What do you do with 2 Cor 5:14, 1 Tim 2: 3, 4, II Co 5: 19, 1 John 2: 2 If you interpret the words "all men," or "all," or "the world" to mean *only* Christians or the elect, you are imposing your preconceptions on Scripture and not allowing Scripture to simply speak. You are reading a meaning into the text rather than pulling the meaning out of the text.
---Tina5349 on 3/23/06


#3 Lupe, Scripture teaches us that sinful man is able to resist the Holy Spirit and reject the grace of God, yes? A person who ends up in hell is not there because he has been consigned to hell by God's sovereign choice, but rather because he has rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ. See Matt 23:37, Mark 7:9, Act 7:51, 2 Tim 3:8, Hebrews 4:7
While God promises to keep us from falling and to complete the work of redemption, because of our sinful nature we *can* reject and turn away from the truth.
---Tina5349 on 3/23/06


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We are begotten again (born again) unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. We are looking at this from two totally opposite ends in view. Shouldn't Paul have said, "He died for the FEW" since MANY are called but FEW are CHOSEN"?
---Linda on 3/23/06


"We are not born into the family of God, we need to be adopted."

I suppose Jesus didn't know what He was talking about when He told Nicodemus, "Ye must be BORN again." That which is born of flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. He brought us forth (birthed us) by the Word of truth that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.
---Linda on 3/23/06


Alan & Lupe, I don't know about you guys, but I'm never worng... and nevery have typos either. ;o)

Hey... let's go visit ze humor blog... and lighten up!

Loves yous guys!!
---daphn8897 on 3/23/06


Acts 20:28; Ephesians 5:25-27; Romans 8:32-34; Hebrews 2:17; 3:1; Hebrews 9:15; Hebrews 9:28; Revelations 5:9. These passages talk about a perticular group of people only. Otherwise the Bible would contradict itself. These expressions (whole World) are intended to show that Christ died for all men without DISTINCTION, (Jews or Gentles) but they are not intended to indicate that Christ died for all men without EXCEPTION.
---Lupe2618 on 3/23/06


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5. to infallibley save a particular people, namely those given to Him by the Father. Matt. 1:21: "..for He will save HIS people (the saved) from their sins." Matt 20:28: "..the Son of man came not to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for MANY."(not everyone) Matt. 26:28: "..for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for MANY for the forgiveness of sins."
---Lupe2618 on 3/23/06


4. Oh by the way Linda, what you say is true, that even the demons believe and are not saved. They have no rependence, for rependence also comes from God. Linda, such phrases as "the world," "all men," "all nations," and "every creature' were used by the New Testament writers to emphatically correct that salvation was for the Jews alone. But there is other passages which speak of His saving work in definite terms and show that it was intended
---Lupe2618 on 3/23/06


#1 In a society in which autonomy is so highly valued, it is almost unthinkable for us to imagine that man is without a choice in spiritual matters prior to God intervening on our behalf. But that is just the kind of God He is. He has had mercy on us children of men.
---Tina5349 on 3/23/06


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