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Baptized And Spoke It Tongues

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I hope is to both inspire those who read.
One thing to consider in Acts 2:4-13
Is that the other People who had came to Jerusalem had heard these Galileans speaking in their native Language. That would be almost impossible being that they were from different regions. Cornelius Situation occurred in front of the Jews as a sign to that the Gentiles have been accepted 10:44-48 Cornelius didn't pray for that All other situations required an Apostle to lay hands Acts 1:12-26 (requirements for apostles. Morever The gift of languages was considered the least of all gifts. Someone who claims to have the gift should be able to use it to communicate with someone who speaks a totally different language. Thats not what we see today
---Peace on 8/11/08


Its the spirit of the devil speaking..not the Spirit of God..beware..the only tongue spoken of in God's true church is the known tongue..understood language..not unknown tongue..
---pop on 3/1/08


is the tongues being spoke in some churches today the same tongues the apostles spoke when the day of pentecost was fully come.?
---jerry on 2/27/08


what language was being spoken? tongues is greek for language. like when the day of pentecost was fully come, acts 2 gives a list of languages being spoken by the apostles. and by the way tongues is always address to god, and all the many wonderful works he has done ( acts 2:11 )
---jerry on 2/27/08


Thomas; I don't have the gift of the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues) but I do have the Holy Ghost. Yes God speaks to me, not through me, and yes I understand him. God said my sheep hears my voice. Some people misuse tongues, and it hasn't nothing to do with God, only for man's glory. There are some in my church speak in tongues like the Pastor, when he speaks, he always has an interpretation. But when someone speaks in tongues they don't know what they are saying unless someone interpretes it.
---Rebecca_D on 2/23/08




That's a good point Catherine,"We had all better be careful what we credit to the devil, it may be God."
Well Paul tells the unknown tonque speaker to "keep silence" which carries the connotation to separate oneself. "..let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." The point; there is zero value when those of a group, or church cannot understand you. To find one person as a little clique of private information is also frowned upon.
---jhonny on 6/13/07


Matthew, in that respect we are in total agreement.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


*I do fear those who demand it or believe that they must have it in order to prove that they are saved.*

Anyone who does for these reasons, Lorra, leave themselves open to a demon,and as much I hate to say it, those who believe you must speak in tongues in order to be saved also leave themselves open to a demon.
---Matthew on 6/13/07


Matthew, I do not have a problem with desiring the gifts, only that people should take care. I have been well-blessed by the Holy Spirit and if I were to be a little more greedy, I would love to be able to understand and be understood in any human language - there is nothing wrong with that. Nor is it wrong to want to pray in the angelic tongue. But we still ought to test every spirit and be certain that it is of God.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


I do not see what would be so amazing about that. God's power could very well had overtaken her as she was coming out of the water. We had all better be careful what we credit to the devil, it may be God.
---catherine on 6/13/07




3)
Thats all the reason I can really think of right now. Lorra, remember, the BIble says we should desire the gifts. To warn people to not desire tongues because this could happen is more of a stumbling block that a helpful warning. INstead you should warn people what will happen if you ask for tongues and you are not following Christ/living in holiness(an unrepentant sinner).
---Matthew on 6/12/07


The context of the chapter concludes. What's real spirituality? Behold it isn't speaking in (unknown)tongues:-often the glowing disconnected emotions/strange utternaces, quite unfitted to instruct or influence the mind of others, whereas he advised to "keep silence".
Here is the test of spirituality from Paul.
1Cr 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
---jhonny on 6/13/07


The context of the chapter concludes. What's real spirituality? Behold it isn't speaking in (unknown)tongues:-often the glowing disconnected emotions/strange utternaces, quite unfitted to instruct or influence the mind of others, whereas he advised to "keep silence".
Here is the test of spirituality from Paul.
1Cr 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
---jhonny on 6/13/07


Matthew, therein lies the problem. I do not dispute the that the Holy Spirit can give the gift of tongues, and I do not fear it. I do fear those who demand it or believe that they must have it in order to prove that they are saved. Because of this foolishness, we have the Devil making fools of us and God. But, we are not alone in our spiritual journey and we should make use of our fellow Christians to keep each other safe.
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Matthew and Lorra hit the nail on the head. I attended a pentacostle church, watched a woman turn the air blue in profanity as she beat her kids in the car. Later she began speaking a language I had never heard before and everyone said oh God is here. How could he be. she was filled with satan only moments before. People are led like lambs to the slaughter and don't even know it. Jesus gave some the spirit to prophecy, speak in tongues, heal the sick, not everyone.
---ashley on 6/12/07


*In her case, God had not given her the gift of tongues, but Satan gave her a false version of it.*

You must understand the problem here Lorra is not the desire for speaking in tongues. It could of been a number of things.....
---Matthew on 6/12/07


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1) She could of demanded the gift instead of depending on God's sole permission(Some wait for God to grant them tongues and they never get it) When we demand(will it) it we leave ourselves open to a demon.

2)She could of been a lukewarm Christian. Commmiting sins without repentance. God doesn't grant HIs gifts to those who aren't following His will. This is the reason I cringe when I see an openly sinful person(a drunkard for example) claim they speak in tongues(it isn't the Holy SPirit).
---Matthew on 6/12/07


Rebecca D, the woman I am referring to was speaking in Chinese, but did not know it, and the man who approached her was fluent in Chinese and understood what she was "praying". He informed her that she was cursing God in Chinese and wanted to know why because he was a Christian and found her words shocking and objectionable. In her case, God had not given her the gift of tongues, but Satan gave her a false version of it.
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Rebecca D, even Catholics have the gift of tongues too, and it is a wonderful gift. I never used to worry about it until I found that some churches were making it a mandatory requirement for salvation and since that time, I have seen more cases that do not appear to be from God.

If the tongue is not human then the gift involves the Angelic Tongue of Heaven - not animals as found in the "Toronto Blessing". If the tongue is human it is there for all to understand.
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Lorra; If I spoke in tongues, and someone came up to me and asked why I was cursing God, I would tell them that God spoke through me. That is what speaking in tongues is, God speaking through that person. We are just a mouth piece for God. If that person still didn't understand, then they need to take it up with God. And try and get a better understanding.
---Rebecca_D on 6/12/07


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1Cr 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence(be concealed) in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."
If there be no interpreter and most often that is the case, No one can understand you, solution: "keep silence". Paul later explains what real spirituality is. Similar advice is given a few verses later.1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches:..but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
---jhonny on 6/11/07


1Cr 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence(be concealed) in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."
If there be no interpreter and most often that is the case, No one can understand you, solution: "keep silence". Paul later explains what real spirituality is. Similar advice is given a few verses later.1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches:..but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
---jhonny on 6/11/07


Hi John. "Then they are as valuable as prophecy." There is no scripture to support this statement.
---jhonny on 6/11/07


Yes Catherine, If you believe it. Keep it holy, whatever "it" may be. If we love the truth "it" will grow. Love does that.
---jhonny on 6/11/07


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jhonny. You forgot to quote the rest of the verse about tongues not benefitting and that is "unless it is interpreted." Then they are as valuable as prophecy.
---john on 6/11/07


Yes, the only comment I have is, I believe it.
---catherine on 6/10/07


The setting-the church,when they come together(v.23).
14:10, "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding,..than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue."
If there's one "unlearned"(Gk ignorant) Paul argues they will think you're mad, beside yourself, all talking in tongues. His suggestion. 1Cr 14:24,25 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned,..he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
---jhonny on 6/10/07


If we doubt we will receive the gift of tongues then we most likely won't get it. Also some people fear it(they are afraid a Devil will speaking through them). In those cases of those who fear, God simply doesn't give it to them. God doesn't want to give you tongues if you are gonna fear it. When we know we are living in holiness we shouldn't fear and doubt the gifts but instead desire them and have faith that they are true. God isn't going to allow a Devil in one who is humble to Him and in His will.
---Matthew on 6/9/07


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Rebecca D, I do understand the gift, but I have read of things going very wrong. I do believe that the gift still occurs and it is not my position to tell people to not do it. I am simply asking for caution because there have been instances where people were cursed with tongues instead (not by God) and things did not go well. How would you like it if you were merrily praying away in tongues and then some chinese christian approached you to ask why you were cursing God?
---lorra8574 on 6/9/07


If the gift has been confirmed as being genuine while being in a public setting, then there is no reason to fear it in private - either you have it or you do not.
---lorra8574 on 6/9/07


This is the sub-context which identifies the whole church coming together and the format that follows.

1Cr 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place,
---jhonny on 6/8/07


Don't hold your breath for an interpretor.
How they get around the interpretor problem is by interpreting themselves. One lady interpreted a man in a wheelchair and later confessed to the church she made it up. He was so offended, for so long.
---jhonny on 6/8/07


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* Read all of 1 Corinthians 14, note especially verses 13-15.*

I agree Lorra, but in its context it is evident Paul was talking about prayer in public. Of course it is good to pray for interpretation even in private,but to say speaking in an unknown tongue is not edifying isn't fair, because it is quite edifying. A beautiful angelic language, why would you not be edified?
---Matthew on 6/8/07


2)
Not everyone needs to understand what they are saying to be edified. Ask a genuine Christians who pray in an unkown tongue in private if they are edified without knowing what they are saying. Most will tell you yes they are.
I will say I am against speaking in tongues with no interpretation in public. Paul was against it and so I am also. I wanna put out the passages you gave me so we can see its clear context how it is a fact Paul was talking about public tongues.
---Matthew on 6/8/07


4)
1 Corinthians 4
9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me....

---Matthew on 6/8/07


5)
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

What reason to pray for interpretation? The reason Paul stated above, not because you don't understand, but because those around you don't understand. In private prayer if you want to pray for interpretation thats good, but most don't feel the need because they are already edified. This is all I am trying to say.
---Matthew on 6/8/07


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#2
His positional statement for prophesy is further made clear.
1Cr 14:3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort."
His argument against self erecting, self holiness, and self piety is further established.
1Cr 14:4 "He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."
Of course who wants to prophesy and build up the church, that's the ministers job, isn't it?
---jhonny on 6/8/07


People who are in bondage to organizational worship and further commiting idolatry with the people at the top will not be converted to the truth by quoting scripture. This type of slavery goes back long before the catholic church altered commandments.
This slavery to "authority", is the world's culture. The free world was founded upon an exception, which is quickly becoming something else.
---jhonny on 6/8/07


#1
1Cr 14:1 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather(preferred to a greater degree)that ye may prophesy."
"Prophesy" is the gift Paul denotes as the greater/higher.
This is the premise for the context of the chapter.
Isn't it profound that "prophesy", which Paul advises to run after is put aside.
The erroneous pursuit is on the form of speaking he criticized as not speaking to men. vr2"..for no man understandeth [him];"
---jhonny on 6/8/07


Matthew, I have read Paul's epistles. There is in deed two types of "tongues" and the other tongue is the Angelic tongue (1 Corithians 13:1), but it would not edify the person with the gift if he gained no insight from it. Read all of 1 Corinthians 14, note especially verses 13-15. This is more important when in church, but is also valid anytime. I believe that the Devil has sent his own version of this gift and had his little joke on more than a few.
---lorra8574 on 6/7/07


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Lorra; when God gives a person the gift of speaking in tongues, they don't know what they are saying unless someone with the gift of interpertation speaks what was said through tongues. 1 Cor 14:2. God is using that person's voice to speak through them. Mt 10:19-20, Mk 13:11. You seem to not understand this gift.
---Rebecca_D on 6/7/07


Robyn, I am glad for you and hope that you will also pray to God in your own tongue and with your own heart. Take Paul's advice and pray also for the gift of interpretation so that you may be in on your own little communion with God.
---lorra8574 on 6/7/07


Lorra8574:God understand what I am saying and that's good enough for me. The Holy Ghost also prays through us. We dont always understand that either but He will not lead us wrong. Sometimes I begin to pray for someone for whatever reason. I dont know why ,but the Holy Ghost knows. He prays through me for that person. Sometimes I begin to speak in tongue and cannot stop. I don't care. I love it and thank God for it.
---Robyn on 6/7/07


*If you do not understand what your are praying that is NOT what the Bible describes, and you should pray for the gift of interpretation for yourself.*




1 COrinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
---Matthew on 6/7/07


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2)
There is nothing wqrong with speaking in an unknown tongue for self edification. In a public setting Paul said it needs interpretation. In private, Lorra, there is nothing wrong with it. That is Biblically sound.

You need to be careful Lorra that what you say won't cause a brother/sister to stumble.

Paul spoke about two different types of tongues. One is unknown the other is known. The unknown is for private prayer and the other for public interpretation and prophesy.
---Matthew on 6/7/07


Lorra, My statements are correct.
---jhonny on 6/6/07


Robyn, if you alone understand what you are saying then you are truly blessed and you do not need to share it. But, if you do not understand it then you should NOT utter it. The Devil plays nasty tricks on those who seek signs. If you do not understand what your are praying that is NOT what the Bible describes, and you should pray for the gift of interpretation for yourself.
---lorra8574 on 6/6/07


Even if there were no interpreters at the baptism, I would have still been blessed by witnessing this move of God. The power of God is real. Some people have the gift of interpretation some do not. I do not think I have met anyone who had that particular gift. All I know is: its good, its sweet. I wanted it and I asked God for it, he gave it to me.....Hallelujah! I thank you Jesus!
---Robyn on 6/6/07


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jhonny, JPII did not do away with the Hell doctrine, he did address it and put it in terms that were not clearly defined in scripture (read what he wrote again). And speaking in tongues is not a sure sign of possession. JPII also addressed the issue of demonic possession for modern times, it still exists, but we are to be careful not to confuse it with mental illness.
---lorra8574 on 6/5/07


ummm ok you can see that and i'm sure people exploit the money making part of it...but its cool you see what you see and awesome haha
Ok well soaking is just sitting in the presence of God nothing new nothing special just a word for it...if you wanted to know
---mark_B. on 6/5/07


"I feel your focusing too much on the barking" and not the fruits that were seen....
Crowing roosters, clucking chickens, roaring lions, barking dogs and seals are fruited.
So fruited, fruity and unscriptural.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but there are many who are "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".
---DePuTy on 6/5/07


markB., feelings are deceptive. Pentecostals/charismatics can easily become charismaniacs if they are motivated by their feelings. That's why everything went off the rails at Toronto.
Jesus began His earthly ministry with His Father's Blessing. This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.
How do you equate animal manifestations with the ministry of Jesus Christ?

Way off base.
---Cathy_D. on 6/5/07


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Thanks Lorra.
Many will be looking for signs and wonders with a wrong motive.
People are easily impressed with the spectacular.
Scripture says the crowds in Jesus' day "marveled" and were "greatly astonished"
at the things done in their midst.

Matthew 9:8
Mark 2:12; 5:42; 6:51
Luke 5:9, 26
Acts 3:10; 13:12
---Crystal on 6/5/07


Many followed Jesus because of the miracles He performed.

Luke 5:15; 6:17
John 6:2; 12:9

Others said they would not believe except they saw a sign.

John 4:48; 6:30
I Corinthians 1:22

Many seek a sign with the wrong motive: that of tempting God.

Mark 8:11
Luke 4:12 (Deuteronomy 6:16)

We are not to seek a sign (Matthew 12:38-39; 16:4). Scripture says
that the Signs Are To Follow Us (Mark 16:17), not Christians - following after the signs.
---Crystal on 6/5/07


Mark B. I have read some of what has come out of the Toronto Blessing and I see a huge money making, marketing scheme. I read about "soaking prayers" (no idea what that is), and classes on how to interpret dreams and how to be a prophet. The indoctrination is encouraged from infancy, with schools for all ages of children. And they are pushing to spread world wide, with your generous annual donation of $250.00.
---lorra8574 on 6/4/07


Mark B., I do not fear the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the gift of tongues; but, I am terrified of what I have seen and heard about the Toronto Blessing, even from their own websites.
---lorra8574 on 6/4/07


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July 28,1999. John Paul 11 essentially did away with the hell doctrine. What they have added not changed since 1614, is the doctrine on demon possession. The new position is that speaking in tonques is a sure sign of same.
---jhonny on 6/4/07


Mark B. Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit would ever cause someone to bark like a dog? Or crawl on the floor like a snake? I have not heard anything good from that experience. Sure, there are testamonies of many that feel that they have been blessed by God, but that is only good if it is true. If they have been decieved then the Devil has set a trap for them and they will not be following God's Word.
---lorra8574 on 6/4/07


Crystal i feel like your focusing too much on the barking...and it was just a manifestaion...like lets say God convicted someone and they started crying, right you dont focus on the crying but you ask the person how they have changed since the conviction eh....so you check out the fruit and change afterward, and i read and heard and saw some good fruit afterward
---mark_B. on 6/4/07


Yes, MarkB., many fruits came out of that blessing. Roaring like lions, clucking like chickens, and barking like dogs. You need to read some of the other blogs about it.
Even pastors that were caught up in the moment, have since said, those were not Godly manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
---Crystal on 6/4/07


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If you receive the holy Ghost you will speak
in tongues are you don't have the good's No one could be filled with the spirt untill Jesus died because he is the Holy ghost No one can birdle the tongue but the spirt Everything God has has the truth of Satan has the false of just like in the old testment Moses had the truth Herod has the false
---Betty on 6/4/07


I'm not really sure about the animal sounds at TB...but at toronto sooo much fruit came out of that...i've heard testimony after testimony and after testamony millions of lives will be change and millions will be saved b/c of when God came down in toronto...your going to know it by its fruit eh
---mark_B. on 6/3/07


Robyn, I think that is very true. I do not knock anyone for having the gift of tongues, or any other gift. I only warn for those who may not be able to discern the true gift from the work of Satan or issues.

John 7:39 showed that before Jesus died on the cross and ascended, the none who were baptised received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:1-6, at Pentecost, they received the Holy Spirit - they did not speak in the Angelic tongue, but spoke in a way that all could understand in their own language.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


1 Cor 14:22 shows that the Gift of Tongues is a sign for the Unbeliever. It was more common then because they were surrounded by unbelievers. It still may occur but it should not be common amoungst believing communities.

Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and his family received the Holy Ghost in response to Peter's speach, before baptism, and spoke in tongues as a special sign of God's acceptance of Gentiles to the circumcised Christians present.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


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WRT Cornelius and his family could be heard speaking in tongues and exalting God - clearly those present understood what the "tongues" were expressing.

In Acts 19:6 those annointed by Paul to complete their baptism (after having been baptised by John the Baptist) also began to speak in tongues and prophecying. The gift has a purpose, beyond personal edification, when it coincides with baptism.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


The Gift of Tongues is a real gift and should not be forbidden, but the Devil duplicates it easily if imperfectly. Those familiar with the Toronto "Blessing" may have heard of the strange manifestation of the so-called gift of tongues. Speaking and behaving like an animal is not a heavenly gift. There have been other instances of people thinking that they had the gift of tongues until confronted by persons familiar with other languages asked them why they were cursing God.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


There are two forms of the gift, either everyone understands it, or it is of the Angelic language. If of the Angelic tongue, the early Christians were in a community where some permanently had the gift and would know if someone had been blessed by the Holy Spirit or cursed by Satan. This matter could be identified and corrected easily.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


Today, not every community has the ability to protect their faithful from Demonic intrusion. If the gift occurs within a Pentecostal or Charismatic group where one or more persons are gifted and able to monitor the situation, even if they do not share the elocution, then all is good and the newly baptised person is safe and blessed.
---lorra8574 on 6/3/07


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RebeccaD: We have no rights whatsoever to tell someone else how to worship God. God is more than able to make His servants obey. If you don't speak in tongue, don't knock someone who does. If you don't fall out, Don't knock it. God works with all of us in different ways. Some people cry,whimper, shout, scream when they are filled with the Spirit. Who are we to say God is not dealing with them.
---Robyn on 6/3/07


Mark B. If God wanted to speak to you privately He could do so. If you spoke aloud in tongues it would be more practical if it were for everyone present. 1 Corinthians 14:5.

In the scriptures, the gift of tongues was only associated with specific instances of baptism as a sign that this was acceptable to God. For example, Cornelius and his household spoke in tongues in advance of baptism because God wanted it clear that gentiles were acceptable. Other instances involved the Jews.
---lorra8574 on 6/2/07


Umm if the person was speakin to the congregation then yea you'd want an interpretation but if the person was talking to God than let them keep talking to God...do not forbid speakin in tongues...
---mark_B. on 6/2/07


Was the language interpreted for all to hear and understand? If so, you may have witnessed a wonderful miracle. If not, then that person may need to see a medical doctor or possibly a psychiatrist. Or perhaps they where just very excited and the water was very cold.
---lorra8574 on 6/2/07


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Amen Fred; Many people speak in an unknown tongue, but few of those people actually have the gift of speaking in tongues. If I hear someone speaking in tongues and I'm unsure, I test that spirit to see if it be of God. I've done this one night and I said, Lord if that isn't you speaking through her, then shut-her-up. She shut-up and sat down. It isn't a game. If a person doesn't have this gift, they need not to try and speak in tongues.
---Rebecca_D on 6/1/07


I would have loved to have been there. I would have tried to catch hold of that and got some for myself. This person was totally full of the Holy Ghost. It was some day for that person. You witnessed a great move of the Spirit. I hope you could appreciate it. This is what its all about.
---Robyn on 6/1/07


I'm just making a statement here. Just because some one can utter, mutter, sputter does not necessarily mean it is speaking in tonges (or another language)
---Fred_S. on 6/1/07


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