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Recently, I watched & listened to a tv preacher lead his congregation in a praise service. He encouraged, the mostly women congregants, to lift their hands & shout praises to God in order to, "CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE." Was his leading metaphysical, occultic & Biblically unbalanced?

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Umm Charge the atmosphere, is basically saying We want more of the Holy Spirit here...worship brings in more of the HS he likes is alot...
---mark_B on 5/11/07


Sounds like to me that that minister is trying to play on ones emotions rather than on ones intellect.

Indeed if one can radicalize his audience, they become putty in his hands particularly before the collection plate is passed around.
---lee on 5/11/07


Hunh? What gives you that idea? It is Biblical.
Psalms 63:4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name.
Psalms 134:2 Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD.
Ezra 3:11 And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
---wes on 5/11/07


"....He encouraged, the mostly women congregants, to lift their hands & shout praises to God in order to, "CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE." Was his leading metaphysical, occultic & Biblically unbalanced?" ---Since I don't KNOW the minister, Can't say more than "I doubt it", but God knows for sure. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/22/06


(I.)"So do you raise your hands and shout at the ballgame? Isn't God more important to you than a ball team? Why not get excited about God...he doesn't get nervous!" --I agree, If it were about a sports event, People wouldn't assume anything, Some get more excited/revved up at a sports event then at church, that's sad...
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/22/06




(II.)But on second thought, many attend DEAD churches, no wonder. Not ALL excitement in some churches is from God(but is fanaticism), But in the churches in which the Holy Spirit is moving(not being hindered), There is excitement. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/22/06


It is all part of the sales pitch as clearly many preachers are selling their thing in order to make a living.
---lee1538 on 12/22/06


Well, Leon,the Word does say that the Lord inhabits the praises of his people. However you praise the Lord should come from your heart. Not someone else telling you what to do. I don't raise my voice much at ball games either. Some people may praise him with their lips when their heart is not in it. It should come from the heart first, then the lips. The atmosphere drips with His annointing when the hearts praise.
---faye4464 on 12/22/06


Jesus said I stand at the door if any man opens I will come in and sup with him. You have to open the Door with submission by praise and prayer God looks for a broken and contrite Spirit, not a rebellious and critical spirit.
---Exzucuh on 12/22/06


Leon, unfortunately people today are lead by anyone who seems to have extrabiblical powers to charge the atmosphere or slay in the spirit. Since Satan is prince of the air or atmosphere, it would be demonic teaching. The True Saint, Hidden with God in Christ Jesus, is seated in Heavenly places In Christ as we speak. Heaven is our Home, not the atmosphere. Oh but if it has power to it, they will believe it, even if it's not in scripture. Scarry times!
---kathr4453 on 12/22/06




In my church, I am always hearing about charging the atmosphere. Funny thing, though, that terminology is found nowhere in New or Old Testament doctrine. The need to work the "crowd" into a frenzy for God to do someting is an insult to believers and a pot-shot at God's ability to get things done.
---cj on 12/21/06


John_T: You're one tricky fella! Again, for me this is a closed subject. I'll certainly pray for him; but, I'm not going to dog the preacher.
---Leon on 3/24/06


To Darlene, I've seen preachers try to work up a congregation. Don't think they should do that.
---Thomas on 3/23/06


OOPS!
UR right about lying.
I was actually trying to suggest that mentioning of considering contribution (who knows if or when?)may loosen their stalled e-mail responses, and cut to the chase.

Another tactic if they do not respond is to tell them that you will blog about the incident and name the ministry because the appearance of wrong doing seems to be apparent due to their protracted silence.
---John_T on 3/23/06


Still nothing John_T. The only message(response) I've gotten, thus far, from the preacher is the "atmosphere charging" sound of his silence. :)

A followup really isn't necessary. I'm shaking the dust off...& moving on.

I'm certainly not going to lie to him JOHN!!! I cheerfully give only to ministries I believe edify the Body of Christ & advance His kingdom on earth.
---Leon on 3/23/06


Still nothing? At least you got an initial response. Please consider doing another follow up if nothing comes by Thursday.

Perhaps a line like, "I am thinking about contributing to your ministry, so I request an answer to my previous question" then include the details.

Money often gets some people motivated
---John_T on 3/22/06


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I'm still waiting for a reply from the preacher. Since my email didn't return to me "undeliverable", I can only assume he or someone on his staff received it. Hopefully, it didn't end up in the cyber trash bin.
---Leon on 3/17/06


I can't make a comment about right or wrong of doing that since I don't know what he was trying to do/motives. At first glance it seems out of line but then what if all he was saying was the same thing and meaning as "let us fill this place with our praises"? He could have been innocent of wrongdoing. If he was trying to "work up" a move of the Spirit thats something I am personally against,yet honest praise and worship does bring a move of God's Spirit.A complex question/situation.
---Darlene_1 on 3/17/06


John T: I'm back. :-) Recently, I found the preacher's website & sent him an email "politely" asking for an explanation of the statement. When (if) I receive a reply, I'll be sure to post an immediate update.
---Leon on 3/11/06


LEON: Still here?

How much have you tried to contact the author of the statement and/or his organization?

If you are still waiting, we would appreciate any update, and especially the nature of the response.
---John_T on 3/10/06


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Daph: I agree totally about the Holy Spirit. He shows up when and how He pleases.. not always because of what we do or don't do. He looks on the heart..doesn't always come when there is a show of great "ferver" and animated worship.. doesn't always produce an outward display of emotion in His people. IMO this has become a "tradition of men" in some churches,( I've belonged to some) hindering work of the HS that doesn't fit a certain pattern.
---Donna on 3/10/06


John T. Yes, if what a preacher says bothers you, it is Scripural to ask...if you know how to contact him or someone in his ministry. Didn't mean to imply you shouldn't ASK..but, unlike your local pastor, the guy on T.V. can choose to be inaccesible.

And this single phrase may not be significant. Like other humans, preachers at times speak without thinking. In this case, "charging the atmosphere" may have been meant figuratively. Repeated use of the phrase, would really make me wonder.
---Donna on 3/10/06


Wes, "If we just sit in a pew for 1 hour and don't do anything but cross our hands, I doubt the Holy Spirit will do much!" You are presuming that He has to act at our beckoning... He doesn't. When He shows Himself it is for His glory and because it pleases Him. Should we worship? absolutely, but we must not do so to "invoke" some feel good experience for ourselves... It isn't about us... it's all about God.
---daphn8897 on 3/9/06


His leading was theatrical. At such a stage, I change the tv channel.
---A_Catholic on 3/9/06


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Daphn..I disagree...we do have to manifest the Holy Spirit. If we just sit in a pew for 1 hour and don't do anything but cross our hands, I doubt the Holy Spirit will do much! We have to call on the Holy Spirit, pray, worship, etc.
---wes on 3/9/06


Donna: Yes, you sound cynical, but I don't blame you.

Nevertheless, it IS important to determine the exact meaning of the prhase used. Someone in his organization will know waht the guy actually said and meant.
That is Scriptural, go and ask what is meant, rather than to presume and assume.
---John_T on 3/9/06


Leon...one thing to consider. The glory of God fell on the tabernacle in Exodus 40:33-35 and he couldn't enter the tent because of the cloud. So the question for us as the modern church is what do we do to get that atmosphere where God's glory falls on us like a cloud? I'd say praise and prayer would be a good way to get that presence.
---wes on 3/9/06


Thanks Daphne. God is good Sister!!!
---Leon on 3/9/06


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I don't think the question is "straining at a gnat." I think it is wisdom to question that which we haven't seen or experienced before. We are to be "wise as serpants." Yes, we are to have faith and trust God, and though He tells us "to lean not on our own understanding," He never tells us to shut off our brains. Leon, I appreciate you bringing this for discussion.
---daphn8897 on 3/9/06


Daniel (3/8/06): He actually said, "CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE."

Exactly my point Daniel (3/9/06), Bruce5656. Moderator, Alan...Daphne...Eloy, Paulie.

Lifting hands & verbally articulating praise, worship, & adoration to the most high God is 1,000% Biblical. I'm in total agreement with & have no problem with what "the Bible says"!

Daniel (3/8/06), Mikefl, Dennis & Rodney... If you don't stand for the Truth, you'll fall for anything.

Thanks all. :)
---Leon on 3/9/06


dennis, It isn't up to us to "manifest" the Holy Spirit. He is God and He comes and goes as He pleases, not necessarily how we please. Because He is kind and loves us, there are moments when He makes His presence known. Why do we think that anything God does is up to us? He is so much bigger than that.
---daphn8897 on 3/9/06


Leon: I am *not* the Daniel who answered you below, and though I wouldn't put it quite the same as he did, it may be that 'preacher' just plain wasn't thinking that anyone would take his words 'literally' -- that the phrase he used was like so many of the idioms we have in the English language! However, there are far too many preachers (most often on TV) who don't think much about what they say; often leading people off into emotionalism instead of the study of God's Word!
---Daniel on 3/9/06


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I think this question is nonsense. We lift our hands and our voices to usher in the presense of God...and when that happens amazing things take place. God isn't going to force himself on anyone...if you call him, he'll come.
---Rodney_Sutton on 3/9/06


Donna I'm not a shouter either and don't appreciate being told how to 'worship'. Another pet hate, slightly off the subject, is being told in church to turn to my left and hug the person next to me (and other similar things). I've nothing against hugging, saying "God Bless you brother", or many other things but they should be allowed to happen naturally or not at all. I.M.O. some churches encourage us to be two-faced.
---f.f. on 3/9/06


His choice of verbage is odd to say the least. Perhaps he has a major in meterology or science or something. It does sound more like New Age phraseology, rather than Christian lingo.
---Eloy on 3/9/06


It doesn't do a bit of good to write to the T.V. preachers. They won't answer. Probably won't even open the envelope unless it looks like it contains a check. Sorry, to sound so cynical, but I've seen more people misled by T.V. preachers who are accountable to no one. If you must listen, do it with Bible in hand to check the context of their Scripture references and the validity of their claims according to the Word.
---Donna on 3/9/06


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If men of God can call down fire, rain, wind, etc. Why can His followers not "charge the atmosphere" with their worship? Being guarded is truely important but straining at the gnat??? I would offer that there are many things done in church services that aren't scripture. Sunday school, formal alter calls, bus lists, building committees, etc. Praise the Lord for those with enough Holy Ghost power to ignite the skys with His word.
---mikefl on 3/8/06


Leon ----did he acutally say the phrase "Charge the atmosphere" or is this something you made up describing what you thought he was doing?
---Daniel on 3/8/06


I wish somebody would "Charge the atmosphere" in some of the worship of some churches I have been to. They are so dead I thought I was at a funeral. One song and that's it. How can anyone expect the Holy spirit to be manifested?
---Dennis on 3/8/06


While I'm in favor of raising hands and praising the Lord this sounds a little bit to me like coercion. I very much favor voluntary praising and worshiping the Lord. I raise my hand and shout sometimes when I'm by myself simply because I want do enjoy myself in the Lord.
---mima on 3/8/06


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Because of the comment about "charging the atmosphere", don't know that it was metaphysical or occultic, but it certainly seems carnal. Yes, we are to lift up holy hands... but the purpose is to worship God... not to "charge the atmosphere." In times of corporate worship, there may be a change because the Lord allows His presence to be tangible, but that is His work, not ours. Bottom line, we cannot make our experience, or lack thereof, determine our worship and our passion for God.
---daphn8897 on 3/8/06


I suspect the preacher was thinking of Psalm 22:3 which says that God inhabits the praises of his people.
---DoryLory on 3/8/06


Wes ... I think the questioner was not worried about the lifting hands and shouting ptaises, but with the idea of CHARGING THE ATMOSPHERE. This seems to be an attempt to wind up the emotions. This is what Hitler did at his rallies.
---alan_of_uK on 3/8/06


Almost everything I hear on TBN is a cult. Even the women look like women of the world.
---shira on 3/8/06


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I have written to Creflo Dollar and Marilyn Hickey regarding parts of their T.V. programmes that upset me. Neither of them replied.
---M.P. on 3/8/06


Razzie. Nope. I don't raise my arms and shout at a ball game. Sometimes raise my arms in praise of the Lord..or fall to my knees. I'm just not a shouter. I'd rather praise the Lord at His direction, not the command of a preacher..but, if the Word is being taught well, I'll "make a sacrifice of praise" and go along. (Have some doubts about the meeting described here, tho)
---Donna on 3/8/06


Did you try it?
---gregg8944 on 3/8/06


PART ONE:
Wes,
Certainly, the concept of corporate praise and worship is scriptural.

I understood the emphasis to be on "...in order to "CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE". There is no precedent in scripture for a statemtent like that.
---Bruce5656 on 3/8/06


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PART TWO:
A minister I know, who was taking a psych. course, "experimented" with the congregation by telling them things like the TV "evangelists" like someone has such and such a problem or affliction. Each time someone responded to the appeal.

The point; emotionalism can be manufactured. The moving of the Spirit cannot.
---Bruce5656 on 3/8/06


John T.,
I never heard anything Biblically wrong with raising hands and shouting praise to God.

Moderator - To "CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE"? That's not in the Bible.
---wes on 3/8/06


Wes: HUH??

The teaching DOES sound new age-like. But instead of asking us, who never heard him nor the context of the statement, write a letter to him expressing your concern.
---John_T on 3/8/06


So many people are SO HUNGRY for God's blessing, they will do and say just about anything to "get all excited, worked up". All tv evangelist are aware of this and excercise this movement. If you get them "EXCITED" and happy, feel good, shouting, they will pump the money in. It's all a "feel good" marketing ploy.
---Fred_S. on 3/8/06


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It is certainly not a scriptural concept.
---Bruce5656 on 3/8/06


A fellowship of people worshipping God in Spirit and in truth is a release of the treasure within each believer. The atmosphere does change when that takes place. However, I do not believe we can "work up" the atmosphere. Religious form without the heart avails nothing.
---Paulie on 3/8/06


So do you raise your hands and shout at the ballgame? Isn't God more important to you than a ball team? Why not get excited about God...he doesn't get nervous!
---Razzie on 3/8/06


Part II
Psalms 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Psalms 47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
---wes on 3/8/06


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