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Is This Predestination

After a close study of Mark chapter 4:12, would you conclude, or at least consent to the fact, that this verse speaks strongly in favor of Calvinism, election and predestination?

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I believe it speaks strongly of agreeing with other scriptural teachings. Predestination and election are definately taught and discussed there. As far as the verse speaking to Calvinism, I would say brother Calvin spoke "strongly" of the scripture since the Bible came before he did.
---mikefl on 3/6/08


#7. A person will only bend his knee's to Christ in repentance when he see's his sin, and he cannot see his sin when he is dead spiritually to the things of God. The Spirit gives life.
---mark on 5/24/07


The only one's that come to Christ, when He ask for them to come to Him, is refering to believers. The others don't believe in Jesus. He was speaking to believers because the lost hear but do not understand, see but are blind to the things of God. When, "all" "world" "knew" "known" "foreknow" are written in Scripture, they have to be taken by the context for which it was spoken for and to whom the author of Scripture was speaking about.
---mark on 5/24/07


Mima, there is many references that speak on behalf of God's Sovereignty, and His right to choose whom He wills. It is with human depravity that people have trouble with. How lost is a lost person? A little? A lot? All depraved? Is there something good in him that gives him a desire to please God while lost? Christians not the lost should already know that, but refuse to admit it.
---mark on 5/24/07


#2. Man holds with every fiber of himself to some glory, and even when saved, still holds on to some depravity that is found in the flesh. Yet the Bible gives an account of the beginning and end of the globe on which we live, a true picture of man, and a just view of God. The Bible shows a reasonable remedy for the spiritual wants and necessities of dying men, and meets the universal cravings of conscience by revealing a Savior. There is always perfect harmony among all the writers of Scripture,
---mark on 5/24/07




#3. They all write as if they wre under one dictation. The style and handwriting may vary, but the mind that runs through their work is always the same. They tell the same story. They all give one account of man, one account of God, one account of the way of salvation, one account of the human heart. You see truth unfolding and developing under their hands as you go through the vast majority of writings. Paul makes clear about the lost, There is none righteous, no, not one;
---mark on 5/24/07


#4. there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God; they have all gone out of the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one. These passages in Romans 3:10-12, are but a few that speak about the depravity of man. So many give us an account of the condition of man before Christ comes into his heart. But they will fight with every part of themselves to not believe it. They give excuses after excuses.
---mark on 5/24/07


#5. In the end they build a case so strong for themselves that God's word goes down the drain in a hell basket. Forget that Jesus tells us He choose us, forget that Jesus says, "For we know, brethren beloved by God, that He has chosen you; for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction" and yet they refuse to admit that truth, that it was them, with their free will that they are saved.
---mark on 5/24/07


#6. We are told by God that He chose us from the foundations of the world" How could He choose us from the foundation of the world when they say you can come when they want? Just complete nonesense. The very faith to believe in Christ is given by God, and Kathr, says No Way she has a free will. How can her free will choose Christ by faith, if she doesn't have that faith to began with. The most rediculous thing that anyone can say. Who gives us sight? God. Who gives us ears to hear, God.
---mark on 5/24/07


You can't take one verse and make a doctrine out of it. God gave us free will. We have the choice to choose him or not. But God knew in advance what we would choose, as he even knew us in our mother's womb.
---wes on 5/24/07




predestination is the path to salvation-it was planned since the beginning of time that Jesus should come and be crucified and rise again. the elect are the ones who CHOOSE God's path to salvation
---r.w. on 8/5/06


Alan: No! That wasn't a Scriputral comment I made on the parables; wish I could erase it! I've not had enough sleep yet! Jesus merely kept himself 'out of reach' of the Jewish leaders -- until it was His time to die. But, needless to say, they certainly didn't 'get' MOST of what He'd taught said anyway ;-).
---Daniel on 3/9/06


Daniewl "the emphasis on parables at that time in Jesus' ministry was used by God so as not to elicit too much hatred from the Sanhedrin, etc. before it was time for Jesus to die for our sins" Does it say that in the bible?
---alan_of_uK on 3/9/06


Mima: Though it's certainly not against predestination, the emphasis on parables at that time in Jesus' ministry was used by God so as not to elicit too much hatred from the Sanhedrin, etc. before it was time for Jesus to die for our sins. There are plenty of other verses in Scripture which 'wes' would have trouble dealing with, such as Acts 13:48b, "...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Romans 8:28ff. and Ephesians 1:4f.
---Daniel on 3/9/06


It certainly reads as if Jesus did not want the people to understand His message. But why then did He say elsewhere, "Come unto me ALL who travailand are heavy laden, and I will refresh you"?
---alan_of_uK on 3/9/06


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