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Grace And Works For Heaven

Knowing that my works alone will not gain me heaven, can I then have a belief that depends partly on works and partly on Grace. Another words can grace and words be mixed?

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Grace is right & Godly Works Is Right. Godly works is being baptized a part of salvation, going to Church services, Bible reading, praying, witnessing etc.

A persons carnal self righteous works ( what they boast & bragg about ) God does Not acknowledge.

Some people that are good - doers such as I bought some groceries for my neighbor, pick up a hitch - hiker, let people use my tools, bought some gas for their car, fixed a friends roof on their house etc. There is people that does such things they'l make it into heaven. Just is Not so. These things along with in the top paragraph does work together.
---Lawrence on 7/24/10


OK DebbieJo:: How about Jesus as Man He was full of grace?did he not go around doing good works curing the sick, lame blind deaf casting out devils would you consider those as works?showing us the way to heaven which is salvation.giving us the sacraments as aids to follow in His footstepsas he commands of us.just to name a few.
---Emcee on 4/23/08


OK DebbieJo:: How about Jesus as Man He was full of grace?did he not go around doing good works curing the sick, lame blind deaf casting out devils would you consider those as works?showing us the way to heaven which is salvation.giving us the sacraments as aids to follow in His footstepsas he commands of us.just to name a few.PLUS His church in Matt16:17-19
---Emcee on 4/23/08


Emcee, please define works and grace, then we will we able to talk. I want to make sure we know what each other is talking about. When I speak of works, I am speaking of anything that I would do to enhance my salvation, or maintain my salvation or bring about my salvation, anything that I would do that would show off me instead of Christ. Grace is God's response of love and favor to my great need of Him, totally apart from anything I could do to merit it.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/23/08


Debbie Jo::Why are we called the branches of the Vine and why does God prune those branches.Thank you for enlightening me on Your believe by Faith.Reminds me of the Mother who said to her Baby I love you very much but did not feed the baby who died.Did the baby need works?.
---Emcee on 4/22/08




Debbie Jo :: You do wrie much and so brilliantly Christina loves it too.God showed His work of love for us by Dying on the cross.why would he callour efforts of love filthy rags can you explain?
---Emcee on 4/22/08


There is nothing, no heaven, for those whom do nothing: because the Command is DO.
---Eloy on 4/22/08


Amen, Debbie Jo !!! Isn't God awesome?

God's grace clearly shows His amazing heart of love for us, undeserved...while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...this is love!
---christina on 4/22/08


#1 - Gods grace made a way of salvation for man when he did not merit it, neither seek it, nor even want it. It was that unworthiness that touched God's heart of love and magnifies His grace. Man had been proven ungodly, a sinner, an enemy, a rebel, in God's universe-Rom.5:6-10, then mercy was extended to him in the Gift of Jesus Christ. Man was not only powerless to pay his debt, but more - he did not want to pay it. Jesus died for this fallen creature, proving God's great love.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#2 - Grace was the greatest favor shown to ungracious, rebellious man. There is only one condition to receive this grace - FAITH on our part - faith toward God. And this also is grace, for faith is the gift of God. Man is absolutely dependent upon God's grace in the matter of salvation. He is "straitly shut up" to divine mercy. He must take salvation as a free gift, or not have it at all. It is either mercy, or judgment. There is absolutely no escape from wrath, except by GRACE THROUGH FAITH.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08




#3 - God saves eternally, ALL who genuinely seek His face. They are not only found guiltless, but righteous, therefore, merit ALL things in Christ. There is no other way, but the Grace Way. God will not do part of the work, and let man do the other part. He will do it all, "save...to the uttermost," or not save at all. He will not even help a man to save himself. Christ is not a crutch, but the Saviour. He works when man quits and trusts.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#4 - A salvation by man with God's help, would not be grace - free, abounding grace, and God saves in no other way but by grace. Grace means favor shown to the undeserving, that is, there is absolutely nothing in the recipient of grace, to merit its blessings. God must save man, because man is not able to save himself. A guilty man cannot atone for his own guilt, therefore, Christ atoned for all the sins of all men for all time.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#5 - A sinner cannot turn over a new leaf, for he would soil the new leaf with his filthy fingers in turning it over, because it is written, "There is none that doeth good, no, not one" - Romans 3:12. Man cannot righten the wrong he has done to God, by trying to righten the wrong he has done to his fellow-man, neither can he atone for his sins against God, by making restitution to man - Psalm 51:4. Christ alone made effectual restitution when on the cross - Psalm 69:4.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#6 - All who are justified, are "justified from all things," "justified by faith," "justified freely (without a cause) by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" - Acts 13:39, Rom. 3:28,24. "To him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness ... Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin"-Rom.4:5-8.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#1 Emcee, you said, Grace is a gift from God for something good you have done.

Your definition of grace and mine are entirely different. Grace is unmerited favor that is given to a believer for just believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. All that is required is faith, absolutely no works.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


#2 If you believe that you have to work to earn grace, you have put yourself under the law. God calls our works as filthy rags. The only way to have the fullness of His grace is to be completley dependent upon Him and do only those works that He has ordained for you to walk in before the foundation of the world. The works that we do under His direction are those that earn us rewards, not favor.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/21/08


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Debbie Jo ::what do you mean that Grace and works dont Mix.? Grace is a gift from God for something good you have done.So it is a gift to help improve oneself.Work on the other hand is an action executed by one for good or evil.assuming we always seek to do good, I dont understand your statement.
---Emcee on 4/21/08


Works of the flesh and grace absolutely cannot mix. There are works that we are to do, but they are God ordained works. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Many believers want to hang on to some part of their old nature, they want to find somethibng worth saving in it. Even the very best of the old nature is detestible to God. Anytime you try to mix grace with the flesh or law, you will be defeated.
---Debbie_Jo on 4/20/08


Bruce ... I was going to say the same as you, but then noticed that the question used the word "Grace" which is not the same as faith. I wonder whether this is intended to become yet another predestination discussion?
---alan_of_uK on 4/20/08


We are saved by grace through faith, both of which are gifts. Grace is a divine influence upon the heart of man, that brings him into a place and condition mentally to embrace the Father's faith for salvation. Faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus for mans redemption and reconciliation is the only door to heaven. Works are a result of salvation as the Father works through us. This is the work of God, His empowerment enables us as His chosen, to rely on, trust in, depend on and adhere to the one sent.
---joseph on 8/12/07


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If you read Galations, you will have your answer.
Faith + anything (for salvation) = nothing.

Faith - good works is "dead" or not saving faith at all.

Saving faith + good works = the normal Christian life
---Bruce5656 on 8/10/07


lupe-( We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone.) Faith Alone means faith Alone..nice try. But James says the opposite 2:24-" See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
---ruben on 3/21/06


4. Though mima did not use faith, faith is the result of grace. We do need to understand that works and faith through grace do work side by side, yet remember that grace is a "FREE" gift from God.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


3. True justification always, results in the process of sanctification. If there is justification, sanctification will inevidtably follow. If sanctification does not follow, it is certain that justification was not really present. Justification depends on true faith, which in turn will inevitably lead to works of obedience. That is what I was trying to explain to Eloy, when he said we had to be this and that and as he suggects, perfect. In his theory, there would be no need for sanctification.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


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2. the heresy of antinomianism. The relationship of faith and good works is one that mayb be distinguished but never separated. Though. our good works add no merit to our faith beofre God, and though the sole condition of our justification is our faith in Christ, if good works do not follow from our profession of faith, it is clear indication that we do not posses justifying faith. We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


God's law requires perfection. Since we are not perfect, we lack the necessary goodness to enter heaven. Thus goodness can never be achieved by living the good life. We can only receive it by trusting in the righteousness of Christ. His merit is perfect and is made available to us through Faith. To believe that we are justified by our good works apart from faith is to embrace the heresy of legalism. To believe that we are justified by a kind of faith that produces no works is to embrace
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


Can grace and works be mixed? Of course! I'm sure you already know many of the
Scripures regarding grace. When you wonder about "works" recall what Our Lord Himself said regarding that whatsoever we DO to the least of His little ones,whatsoever we DO to the least of His brothers, we also DO that unto Him. "Works"=Doing...so grace AND works can and SHOULD be mixed. "Faith without works is dead."
---Mary on 3/13/06


JT: Let me make it clear. SDA DO NOT believe in salvation by works! We believe in SALVATION BY GRACE through faith only. The works result out of our appreciation for the gift, they are not undertaken to produce our salvation! Thanks. P.
---Pierre on 3/10/06


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What you are discussingis called the "Galatian Heresy"

It is evident in groups like the SDA church.

However, having aberant doctrine (works) is not an obstacle to salvation. Grace alone saves us. Therefore, there will be some from "unlikely sources" in heaven.
---John_T on 3/10/06


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