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There's no Christian denominations recorded in the Bible and why do we have them?

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A "denomination" is a group of people who hold a specific set of doctrines to be truth. That raises the question, "How can there be so many denominations with so many different doctrines, when they all claim to follow the same Bible?"

One religious website estimates that today there are around 34,000 Christian groups in the world and over 1,200 Christian denominations just in North America
---Sheila on 12/14/07


The only True Church contains "The Saints who Keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus" Rev14:12

"One Faith, One God One Baptism, One Flock"
"Other Sheep I have...them I must also bring"
"Come out of HER MY People"
---SamtheMan on 12/12/07


There is one church -- we just reside in different buildings. With all our own opinions and interpretations and petty arguments. He knows His own and we will not stand before Him as a denomination - we stand alone. Our walk is with Christ and other believers not in our prespective ideologies
Early chruch -100AD - 400AD
Catholic 100-1000
split to
RCC and Orthodox 1000AD
split to
Protestant 1500 - present

and there are others that say they never were Catholic
---Andrea on 11/27/07


Marya ... Welcome to the club.
---alan_of_uK on 11/27/07


People are different. They worship in different ways. My church has a Praise&Worship service for those who like the more "nontraditional" and it has a traditional service. As long as the Gospel is taught it is fine. Denomitions I believe are good as long as they keep in line with the Word of God. There was a Jewish church and Gentile churches in the NT.
---betty8468 on 4/5/07




The only way that the Bible tells us about how we can fall from grace is when we attempt to justify our standing with God by obedience to the law.

Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified {Or counted righteous} by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

If we truly believe for instance that we must not eat certain foods, observe certain holy days, etc. believing these things please God & justify us, then we have fallen from grace.
---lee on 4/5/07


God gave us the Inspired Word Of God, the Holy BIBLE, what more do we need?
---Cynthia_1 on 4/5/07


TS, you lost me, I have no idea what you are talking about in your last post to me.

Lee, Adam and Eve fell from Grace, they had it and then they lost it through sin. If we live as we should, we don't need any additional fill-ups. Many of us struggle and need that fountain to draw from.

Yes, you can get it from Jesus directly, but knowing that you need to is half the battle, and these sources of grace help in that area.
---lorra8574 on 4/4/07


I know, but not everyone likes to worship the same way...We all worshiping same God though...
---mark on 4/4/07


TS-- How nice. Have a nice time.
---catherine on 4/4/07




Enjoyed the debate folks. Will be off on vacation starting this PM. Regardless of where you are, agree or disagree, Keep Seeking Him, Studying His Word, and ask in Prayer for the Holy Spirit to guide you. Guaranteed we ALL have more to learn.

Vr
TS
---TS on 4/4/07


TS:I think you wrongly addressed that post to Lorra I cant recall Lorra Or other RC's referring to other denominations esp SDA& MS White Unless Lee has turned & joined the RCC,unknown to me,he is the expert on this denom!!!!
---Emcee on 4/4/07


Lorr: You put too much self importance to the Roman Church who gathered Scriptures at the point of a Sword. It is God who preserved His Word.

Your logic makes Jerusalem the Church since it was her scribes that have preserved the Torah, handed them by God (Jesus) written by His hand on Stone.

Like the Pharisees, Rome stands in proud defiance in place of Christ.
---TS on 4/4/07


Mark: "One Lord, One Faith , One Baptism" Eph4:5

Not every denomination follows God in Truth.
---TS on 4/4/07


lorra8574 - *the sacraments are simply a means of drawing from that limitless supply, especially if we are feeling a little low.*

So grace then is something that is quantitative and expendable.

All I need to do then is to go to the church for a fill up like gasoline in a car, when I burn up the grace I currently have.

But how much grace do I really need to merit eternal life?
What gauges do we look at to know when I am runnning low?
---lee on 4/4/07


TS, His Word doth endureth forever, but note that Jesus never wrote a word down with His human fingers. He Spoke His Word.
Hebrews 11:3.
I am not denegrating the Scriptures, but without the Church, you would not have a Bible. And if the Church did not think the scriptures were important, her members would not have risked their lives to preserve it for you. Or dedicated their lives to bring it to the far reaches of the globe.
---lorra8574 on 4/4/07


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Lee, we are saved by Grace alone, which is why the sacraments are so beneficial for us. But, Grace is what first brings us to Christ and allows us to hear His Word.

And yes, we can all tap into that Grace, but no we cannot save the damned with it. I recall what Jesus said to the woman at the well, Grace is like that living water that fills us up so that we never thirst. The sacraments are simply a means of drawing from that limitless supply, especially if we are feeling a little low.
---lorra8574 on 4/4/07


Satan at first thought he was winning by creating division in the church, but God was able to turn it around for good...i mean what if everyone was the same denomination, how crazy would that be...one person wanted to worship this way, another wanted to worship an other way, its good to keep them in seprate areas...I mean i have the hardest time if i was in a denomination where the majority of the denomination used hymns...theirs nothing wrong w/ hymns
CONT
---mark on 4/3/07


I cant worship w/ hymns, i went to a united methodist church once, i had the hardest time worshiping God...i like it when people are free and you can dance and its really really loud music where you can hardly hear yourself singing along WOOHOO
---mark on 4/3/07


lorr: Why do RCs keep bringing up SDA's and EG White? They a particular thorn in the Roman Church's side?

God did not give any one Church Authority to "Interpret" His Scripture. He gave the "Holy Spirit Whom the World can not recieve to lead us into all truth."

Would you consider the Points Identifying Vatican as the Beast & Harlot of Prophecy? But what would be the point... you twist and wrangle meanings to defend her anyway. You getting paid for this?
---TS on 4/3/07


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TS - *Jesus did indeed promise us a Bible! "My Word endureth forever."*

Not to support necessarily everything the Roman Church believes in but it is the responsibility of the church universal (or catholic) to interpret the Bible.

The Bible, particularly if taken out of context as we see in many of the SDA beliefs, can be used to support any doctrine, even those that are false as in the SDA Investigative Judgment, Galatian heresy, etc.
---lee on 4/3/07


TS, do you keep the Sabbath? Do you travel more than 3/4 mile? Do you make your bed, do you fix something to eat on the sabbath? Do you do anything concidered work?
---Pastor_Herb on 4/3/07


lorra: Jesus did indeed promise us a Bible! "My Word endureth forever."

Is it Pride that keeps you defending Catholic changes to Christian Principles?
---TS on 4/3/07


lorra8574 - *The sacraments are channels of grace, but they are not the means by which we Catholics are saved.*

Are you saying then that Catholics are not saved by grace but by something else?

The Roman Church has the belief there is a treasury of merit containing all the goodness of the saints that can be tapped into to provide for the salvation of others who have not been as good.

Fear not Adolf Hitler! you can still be saved from eternal damnation if the bank does not go broke.
---lee on 4/2/07


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TS, before we had the New Testament, we had a Church. And it was through the Church, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit that we have a New Testament. So yes, as recorded in the Scriptures (as provided by Rev Herb), the Church did exercise its authority as given to it by Jesus in Matthew 16:18-19.
---lorra8574 on 4/2/07


TS Members of the Church wrote the New Testament under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, members of the Church preserved the writings and gathered them and circulated them to the faithful. Members of the Church gathed together and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit decided both the Old and New Testament canons. Because Jesus never promised us a Bible, He gave us a Church.
---lorra8574 on 4/2/07


Herb: Does your Church have a midweek service? Does that mean the Sabbath was transferred to wednesday? Of course not. The Scripture you quote has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Paul was departing and so he kept preaching into the wee hours of the morning. Your assertion is perposterous.
---TS on 4/2/07


Lee:I am some what surprised at you still pursuing a dead beat Horse.1denominations are no where in God Book.2 Denominations were created to divert mans attention away from God & create more Chaos this since Genises.The reformation was one such ploy.What are thr reasons for the reformation & the creation of another BookKJV.The indulgences were Blown all out of Proportion as are the pedophile priests & this mind you is mans cravings who makes Sport of it Satan & his cohorts.
---Emcee on 4/2/07


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TS

Ac20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

7. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

First day of the week,(Sunday) looks like the bible started it before the Catholic Church. Bible 1, Catholic Church 0.
---Pastor_Herb on 4/2/07


Rev Herb. The sacraments are channels of grace, but they are not the means by which we Catholics are saved.

Baptism is a major element in the NT and to dismiss it would be to dismiss a large part of the NT; but, that does not mean that it saves us.

Marriage is another sacrament - Jesus elevated it, but marriage does not save us, nor are we required to be married.
---lorra8574 on 4/2/07


Rev Herb: The NT requires that we confess our sins and Jesus gave His Apostles the authority to forgive or retain sins. But, the sacrament of reconciliation is useful, but for the person without any serious sins, it is not necessary for salvation.

Ordination is a recorded practice in the NT, but it does not save us, nor are we required as Catholics to be ordained.
---lorra8574 on 4/2/07


Rev Herb: The Eucharist is a sacrament that Jesus instituted - this we must do as an ordinance from Him, but it does not save us. Further, if we participate unworthily it can damn us.

The sacraments are not instruments of our salvation, they are opportunities for us.

We Catholics are saved by Grace alone through our faith in Jesus Christ.
---lorra8574 on 4/2/07


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Catholicsims Speaks:
"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for worship after the Catholic Church made the change; But the protestant mind does not seem to realize that..in observing the Sunday, they are accepting authority of the spokesman for the Church, the Pope." Our Sunday Visitor, Feb-1950

"Sunday is our MARK of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" The Catholic Record,Sept 1923
---TS on 4/2/07


Rev Herb
There are some Catholics who think that Protestants are heretics and not proper Christians at all. I don't agree with them. But labelling as you do is cheap and easy to do.
---Ed on 4/2/07


Are Roman Catholics Christians?First the child go through its Sarament of Baptism,one of the 7 channels of grace through which he hopes to be saved. Because he is under the influence of evil spirits, the priest exorcises the demons by anointing with oil and putting salt in his mouth or preserve him from future influence of evil spirits.

An then there is the sacrament of penance, sins commited after baptism are forgiven through ablolution by the priest.
---Rev_Herb on 4/2/07


God is lord of history and it is His apparent will that there but denominations. Think about it, if it were not for the Reformation, most likely the chruch of Rome would have been destroyed for secular powers would never have tolerated much longer the corruption found within the Roman church.
---lee on 4/2/07


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Lee.
Be honest now.
Protestants broke away from the Church of Rome. There had always been a Church of Rome. Never anything else in the West.
---Ed on 4/2/07


Lee ::Many try to weasel their way into the RC church made by God. Matthew 16:17-19. Your claim that all are the same is not confirmed by the word of God; show me the scripture ?why is the catholic church called Universal? others Denominations?why do you not own allegience to the Roman Pontiff as being the head of the catholic (UNIVERSAL)church.Why do you not accept HIS MOTHER?Your same is not congruent with these findings.These are Gods ways. "The gates of Hell shallNOT prevail against it."
---Emcee on 4/1/07


Emcee - *God is order & conformity & declared HIS CHURCH Matt16:17-19*

And His church is composed of all those in whom dwells His Spirit - all those who have been regenerated in Him and are being conformed to the image of His Son Jesus.

It is clear from both the Scripture & history that "His church" is not limited to the Roman Catholic church. That is something that has been debated since about the 5th century.
---lee on 4/1/07


Emcee - *God is order & conformity & declared HIS CHURCH Matt16:17-19*

Roman Catholicism is simply another denomination having its birth with the Council of Trent (16th century) - a council that defined its doctrinal stands.
---lee on 4/1/07


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Man made them up along with doctrines they made up to go along with the churches religion & not the bible,but that's another topic.
---canda on 4/1/07


That is also why you need to research the bottom line of these demoniations.Are they truly holding to the word of God or have they allowed Pagan or non-biblical things creep in? I believe in the Arian theology v.s. trinity theology which came about 300 to 400yrs AFTER Jesus died.Do a google search.I'm a Jehovah's Witness & spiritually happier v.s. when I was a Southern Baptist.
---Candice on 4/1/07


Breaking out of Religious Christianity is a book just out, by Duane Harlow, I want to get it, because, I beleive he realizes like I do, that we are in a new season in the world, it is time for the Bride of Christ to come together to prepare for the Wedding Ceremony of the Lamb. When God will catch us up in the clouds, we will be united, when we are in heaven we will live united for all eternity, I pray like this: Thy will be done, on EARTH as it is in HEAVEN, Bless you.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/1/07


The most important prayer Our Lord taught us was "Our" Father, not "My" Father.
Jesus made it very clear by this that we are all part of a Christian family. We all have a duty to work things out not find differences to widen the gap within Christianity.
---Ed on 4/1/07


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Denomination. I do heard in Lent some do fast by reducing the amount of food comsume. How can that be? What is fasting? Let look at the ward breakfast ( esp. in the morn ). Do you eat or drink while sleeping? If we can not fast, we should not try to soil. Gluttonous world we are in. yet giving and doing a
---mendy on 4/1/07


Denomination. I do heard in Lent some do fast by reducing the amount of food comsume. How can that be? What is fasting? Let look at the ward breakfast ( esp. in the morn ). Do you eat or drink while sleeping? If we can not fast, we should not try to soil. Gluttonous world we are in. yet giving and caring to the poor is more vital . Jere-
---mendy on 4/1/07


Lee ::God is order & conformity & declared HIS CHURCH Matt16:17-19,so why must you go OUT OF HIS Realm to find such peace which is a pipe dream & does not exist.See the disturbing division Here.
---Emcee on 3/31/07


While there is no 'denominations' in the Bible, the Bible does refer to various churches which in themselves are distinct because of the different cultures from country to country.

Frankly, I believe that the denominational umbrella is useful in keeping some order & conformity in the churches as well as providing necessary leadership in propagating the gospel.

We should not be like Israel before they had their kings - everybody was doing their own thing.
---lee on 3/31/07


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ALL::MHO.God created man to know love honour & serve HIM.Genesis 1,26-28;& said Increase & Multiply; meaning?To be like God!!satan, disrupted what God created, enter SIN death.Gods reply was instantaneous Gen3:15. Separation of good from evil;enticement continued God sends great Flood, man did not improve. He fulfils His plan, enter Mary & Jesus ,Same plan"Be Perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect" the separation continues causing Chaos & denominations.Solved by Mat16;17-197 Mat28;19-20.
---Emcee on 3/31/07


**This is the reason I am NOW STAUNCH, Non Denominational, I beleive all that is in the Holy Bible, nothing taken out,**

1. There's no such thing as "non-denominational". It might be a denomination of one congregation, or even one person, but in all probability it will be found to be identical with one of the existing ones.

2. I'm glad to know you accept the rest of the Old Testament: 1-2 Maccabees, Judith, Sirach, et al.
---Jack on 3/31/07


Part 2:

I agree. There are no denominations in the Bible.

That's why I'm Orthodox. We are the ORIGINAL Church--the one that wrote the Bible to start with.
---Jack on 3/31/07


1. Cynthia.
The laws of God are set out in the Bible. But God also communicates to people directly about issues not covered in the Bible. Take the theology of Just War ( Thomas Aquinas). I don't know about you but if i had been alive in WW2 i would have voluntered to fight the Nazis. The gospels don't mention anything about Just War. However i would also respect the person who believes that killing in any situation is wrong). Things aren't as black and white, easy as you suggest.
---Ed on 3/31/07


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2. Cythia
If you set up your church how would you, in detail, explain the mystery of the Trinity. For generations, and still, Christians are at odds about the exact nature of The Trinity. Catholics and most Protestants share the same theology over The Trinity. But it differs to that of the Coptic Church. We are not all given the gift of theology. Theologians are no superior or inferior to us. But theology is important (don't forget the significance of the Wise Men visiting the infant Jesus).
---Ed on 3/31/07


3. Cynthia
And as Christians we are one family. We are not just individuals on our own personal road to God. That is very important. As Christians we must work harder to come closer together - not divide even further.
---Ed on 3/31/07


Cyn1, no denominations for you, but you want to start a church. I think you should find a good church. Seeds without a root system, are tossed to and fro, with every wind and doctrine. Your enthusiasm is great, but getting plugged in to a good church would give you renewable energy.
---Toby on 3/31/07


Cynthia_1 , I also prefer non-denominational, Not that it's wrong to have a denomination, I prefer to say I am [SBSBJ], "Saved By The Spotless Blood Of Jesus". God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/31/07


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Jesus taught Believe on His name, obey His commandments. live your life in harmony with Him. He often said, " He did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentence. Till everyone comes to a unity of the faith." men decided to start their own churches to obtain personal wealth. That is why no one tells people truths contained in the gospel from the pulpit. People are vain. Men do not want to lose their incomes or congregations. Tell people what they want to hear is the motto.
---ashley on 3/31/07


Cynthia if you started a church(even a nondenominational one) would your church have man-made doctrines?
---Mima on 3/31/07


Cynthia ... You would be creating your own denomination!
People do have differing interpretations of scripture. We see them here ... OSAS, predestination, free-will, use of tongues and many more.
All these views and their opposites, are honestly and humbly held with support from scripture.
Unless you can accommodate such divergencies within your group, it will be as bad as all of us here.
---alan_of_UK on 3/31/07


This is the reason I am NOW STAUNCH, Non Denominational, I beleive all that is in the Holy Bible, nothing taken out, nothing extra, ONLY. Maybie I should start a church, and call it ''THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD'' Non-Denominational Church of Father,Son, and Spirit, Hey, I think I like that! But ALL OTHERS ARE MAN MADE DOCTINES, that seem to have deceptive undertones.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/31/07


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Good question. I'm not one anymore. The Baptist talks louder usually than the Methodist preacher. I think alot of it has to do with style.
---catherine on 3/30/07


I have no idea!!! When someone asks me what denomination I am; I answer - B O C which is Body Of Christ. Sweet!!!
Mishon
---Mishon on 3/30/07


They are a result of the Protestant reformation there are about 34,000 at this time and growing.
---Johannes on 3/29/07


because of mans brokenness.
---willow on 6/1/06


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Ulrika, thank you for explaining that. I was concerned when you previously said "at least one person here". It is too easy for us to become an "us 4 no more" group. We have all been so very blessed for this diverse people who share their faith and hearts emotions with one another from around the world via this site.
---mikefl on 4/4/06


Mike, I was talking about one person in particular, who does not belong to a denomination. It seems that person wants to twist scripture and cause people to not want to believe scripture. I don't know if that has anything to do with that person not being affiliated with a denomonation or not. No, I never said you must be a Baptist.
---Ulrika on 3/30/06


Whether you believe it or not there is nothing wrong with denominations, they are governing bodies of the Church, which has nothing to do with the spiritual part of the church, Jesus uses them and saves people who go to them.Any church that is for Jesus is good we need more of them.the church at jerusalem didn't have much to do with Pauls Churches but they reconized each other as the body of Christ.the jerusalem church was a jewish church the rest were gentile two different denominations.exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 3/30/06


Most denominations gather together the Scriptural teachings and teach it to their flocks. It's always safer to have someone who studies the Scriptures to teach them to others who know less about them.

Other denominations are in it for the money.
---A_Catholic on 3/30/06


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Ulrika I have to ask, by you saying one who doesn't belong to a denomination is attempting to undermine what?? The Bible? I do not belong to any denomination. I belong to Jesus Christ through baptism into His forgiveness. I refuse to accept a man made name for what I believe. Now, does that mean I am wrong? Must I be a Baptist, Methodist, etc to be approved here? I tro not. With Love I protest this exclusion.
---mikefl on 3/29/06


This is just my opinion.
Denominations are man made, based on people's interpretation of scripture. Each one seems to focus on certain verses or parts of the Bible. Our faith should be based on what the Bible says, rather than what a church leader or denomination says. So to me being saved is first and foremost, and denominations do not save.
---Ulrika on 3/16/06


I think there is an advantage to knowing what denomination a person follows. At least you have general idea, what he is getting at. There is at least one person here, who claims to not belong to a denomination. The person seems to want to undermind faith and scripture.
---Ulrika on 3/15/06


And use our strength to prevent heresy and cults from entering all of our churches. And church breakups are not necessarily a bad thing - sometimes a church just gets too large for its own good and it needs to be broken so that 2 churches can grow from it. History has given us many denominations, let's celebrate it, instead of cutting each other down. Remember, we're going to have to get along in heaven, why not practice down here?
---marya4598 on 3/14/06


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Even a small otherwise unattached group of people has its own set of beliefs and practices and its own system of organization. Thus it is a denomination! No matter what you call it! Instead of fighting about denominations and going off to do our own thing cuz' no one else is good enough, let's look at denominations as the parts of the body and support each other in the great work for the Lord that that each does in the body of Christ!
---marya4598 on 3/14/06


Denomination - religious grouping within a faith, for ex., a section of the Christian Church that has specific beliefs and practices that differ from those of other groupings and its own system of organization. By suggesting that denominations are wrong so start your own church, you have created very schism you criticize. Can't say you have no organization - a group without organization is anarchy - Bible talks about organization of the church and has examples of what happens without organization.
---marya4598 on 3/14/06


As the groups grew larger and travel became easier, they came into contact with each other and discovered differences in beliefs. Just as now - who decides who is right? They formed denominations to protect themselves from harmful outside influences, and to provide a sort of governing body to lead the groups (this is Biblical!), and to give them strength as a group for purposes of supporting further growth (ie missions). Non-denominational is as much a denomination as any other church.
---marya4598 on 3/14/06


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