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Is Islam Peaceful Or Demonic

Pat Robertson said on his 3/14 show that radical Muslims are "demonic" and "satanic" and that Islam is not a religion of peace. Is this true, or is Robertson a misguided bigot?

Moderator - Of course Islam isn't a religion of peace. It's religion is based upon war.

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I am totally behind Pat Robertson. He is spot on. Of course I know other Christian leaders who want to sound politically correct have rushed to condemn him. At least we have one bold voice. Its time the church woke up with prayer and fastings. We are at war....
---pkay on 6/19/07


It is a religion based upon haterid & murder. Read the Koran - the tenants are the same as Satanism (steal, kill, destroy).
---Leslie on 12/31/06


Anything that uses fear as a weapon is of Satan.
---Helen_5378 on 9/18/06


Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:27)

Islam is not a religion of peace not because it advocates war. In the OT Israelites made war with their enemies with God's blessings. War versus peace is not the point at all. Rather Islam is not a religion of peace because it does not know the peace that Christ brings. So even a religion founded on pacifism would not be peaceful.
---Benny on 9/18/06


if a person studies Islam and Mohammad it is not hard to tell Mohammad and Islam are phoney. Mohammad was the first terrorist.
---ken on 9/18/06




Can't anyone see that the Katyushaka Rockets from Hezbollah are really peace feelers?

They and Hamas each want peace with Israel.

Unfortunately the "Arabic" spelling is piece.
---John_T on 8/1/06


Donna:
Personally, I believed that the decision one is going to make is dependent on the results of the processing of information that the person has received. I wish that they be opened to education and I wish that they would be open to receive information and learnings other than their imam.
---Linda6546 on 4/2/06


Donna:
"Encouraging literacy might help too, so that people have sources of information other than just their imam. What do you think?" I am for this, the reason I am working in a Muslim area. But I realized that most of them have ALREADY suspected that education is being used to "Christianized" them too.
---Linda6546 on 4/2/06


Linda6546-- Sounds good, but IMO, that could happen only if Muslim governments allow people freedom of speech and worship.
Encouraging literacy might help too, so that people have sources of information other than just their imam. What do you think?
---Donna2277 on 3/30/06


With the experiences that we, Christians, have in relation to "religion", I am hoping that some "evolution" if not "revolution" would occur with in the Muslim religion. We had Christianity based in Rome before, then we had Protestantism, and then, now, the small Christian sects that sprouts everywhere shouting for salvation by grace! How I wish that some change could occur in a similar manner with in Islam so that we can live peacefully in this world!
---Linda_6546 on 3/28/06




Hello Donna, I read her story and I sure do know she put herself on the danger list. The papers here in Sacramento put down where she lived and what mosque she attended. I know she will need much prayer for been so brave. So many people are afraid to speak out in other countries. Yet here she can be found so easy. If I hear anything I will let you know.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


Lupe, Have you heard any more about this woman who expressed herself publicly about radical Islam? You said she was condemned to death. I think we need to pray for her that she hear and accept the truth of the Gospel and that her life is spared.
---Donna2277 on 3/26/06


Hello F.F. I gave her statement that I myself saw and have all of her speach to not only Al Jazeera but to the papers here in the States. I know she is a Muslim and which area she lives in. I posted her story because she was brave enough to stick her neck out to explain in public what is happening in that faith. She is as far as I know a Muslim, but whether or not she is, she said things others are afraid to say. I like your explanation that you wrote.
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


Lupe I have seen the full interview with Dr. Wafa Sultan. She states that she is not a Muslim, a Christian nor a Jew. She makes the point that it is only muslims who destroy the places of worship of people who believe differently and kill the worshippers and reminds us that we never see Sikhs, Buddhists etc. doing these things. I had to agree with all she said and agree that she is one brave lady indeed and I hope that she remains safe.
---f.f. on 3/24/06


Islam is a religious and political movement intent on taking over the entire world. It is making huge inroads into many countries through fear and getting its own way after claiming that it has rights in non-muslim countries, that it gives to no-one else in Muslim countries. A recent case here (UK) involved a girl wishing to wear full muslim garb for school. A drop in the ocean compared to some demands but would have had hugely serious implications had she won. I seriously thank God that she didn't.
---f.f. on 3/24/06


Linda6546 & Randy: I cited 2 of MANY other suras below telling Muslims to behead and to hate. Such things are not limited to Qu'ran. They are also in the Hadith, the sayings of Mohammad.

Thus to say that Islam is peaceful is to be naive. The "peaceful" Muslims actually ignore texts like these, but no one can get away from the facts that their holy books tell them to do atrocities in the name of their god.
---John_T on 3/24/06


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2. they have here, they would have been stopped already. But this country gives them the rights they would never have in another place. And with those rights they support them. So many of the so call good Muslims are underneath supporting them too. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Linda.
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


Linda, the fear is not due to politics. Its due to how the Muslim religion wants to convert the whole world or else. They are demanding, without recourse, or conviction, for everyone that is not Muslim, death. Sure, you might say only a few believe do that, but all it takes is for a few to kill many. Yes, by fear. And you act like nothing is happening and say, its only politics. Many of the so call good Muslims in the States support with money this fundamentelist. If it wasn't for the rights
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


Randy, as Donna and others have stated, I believe we can see very well. We are not stupid Randy. The evidence of what is happening is what we go by. I also know there is good Muslims, the lady I quoted is a great Muslim. All she wants is to live a life in peace for all. That is why I put her story down. And you spoke against her story when all she wants for others is to live in peace. Just by your answer I know where you stand. You don't have to explain.
---Lupe2618 on 3/24/06


John T. Sorry if you took offense. I am just trying to elicit dialogue. Anyone who goes against the establishment is a liberal. Communists who wanted the freedoms that we have were called liberal. Christians who once called for the abolition of slavery and allowing women to vote were called liberals. It all depends on where you stand. Lupe, I dont know how many Muslims you know but you believe what you have been fed by the ilk of Robertson. My personal experience is not what hate mongers portray.
---randy on 3/24/06


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I'm sure there are many wonderful, peace-loving Muslims. They certainly are not ALL responsible for the violence of a few. But do you really believe that 9/11 was "simply due to politics", or the bombing of the Cole, bombing in the London Underground, or the train bombing in Spain? Do you think the involvement of Muslim jihadists in these events is just co-incidence? Somehow, I can't just shrug all of this off as "simply due to politics".
---Donna on 3/23/06


Muslim fundamentalists don't believe that "jihad" is just an inner struggle. These jihadists major in damage and blood-shed. But not since the Crusades of the 13th century (which Muslims have never forgotten nor forgiven) have Christians practiced the slaughter of non-Christians. Differences within each religion may be exegetical,but conservatives in Islam and Christianity do not behave similarly since the Qu'ran and the Bible have opposing messages re: violence and regard for humanity.
---Donna2277 on 3/23/06


Today on the news we hear that a Muslim was converted to Christianity and now he is going to be put to death because it's punishable by death to convert from Muslim. I say the world is finding out how peaceful this religion really is.
---john on 3/23/06


I am not a Muslim BUT I AGREE with Randy! I am living and working in a Muslim area and I found Muslims who are really GOD LOVING and GOD FEARING and I realized that the FEAR sowed amongst us is SIMPLY due to POLITICS!
---Linda6546 on 3/23/06


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Exegete this sura away: Quran 9:29 "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth."

Their book tells them to hate us; not so the Bible.
---John_T on 3/23/06


Exegete this sura away: I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore, strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. This is because they acted adversely to Allah and his messenger (Quran 8:12)
---John_T on 3/23/06


Double Doc Billy: The issue is not exegesis, as you say. Rather, it is the source Qu'ran, used by either Sunni or Shi'ah Muslims. There is essentially one Hebrew Bible, (the variations don't count)

I quote the majority text, and the minority agrees substantially in killing Jews and Christians, calling us infidels.
---John_T on 3/23/06


It depends of how one interprets the Koran which is the issue the two denominations within Islam face. It's analogy is the Christian example of liberal vs Conservative exegetes. I have two PhDs in religion: one from Hebrew union and the second for Oxford via UNISA and we face such things in Christdom all the time. It is the nature of literary criticism: you can get anything you are looking for in Scripture if you look hard enough.
---Billy on 3/23/06


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Randy: Please explain yourself on this, "Anyone who goes against the paradigm is a liberal, this includes Christ." 3/22

On the surface, this seems to be patently offensive, but before reacting, I ask for more details. Perhaps another thread may be better.
---John_T on 3/23/06


Randy, are you a Muslim? it seems to me that you are defending it pretty good. I don't know people that defend something they don't believe in. Now you tell us, "is the radical Muslim demonic?"
---Lupe2618 on 3/23/06


Ashton, I am not sure if that question is for me. From speaking with countless Muslims and from reading the Qaran, jihad is primarily the personal internal struggle against the devil or evil forces. It is secondarily a violent political action, it is just now that is the most accepted definition of the word.
---randy on 3/23/06


Have you seen a peaceful jihad?
---ashton on 3/22/06


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Lupe, I must disagree. It has everything to do with liberalism. Anyone who goes against the paradigm is a liberal, this includes Christ.
---randy on 3/22/06


M.P. This is what I believe, I believe many Muslims work through the net to get Christians to doubt or fight against each other. For instance, the more we cut another brother down the more we are divided. Yes, we do disagree with others in none essentials, but we should stand firm on the essentials always. The information you gave is great, for all of us to find out more for ourselves. I just received one Called "Islamic messiah". Have lots to read.
---Lupe2618 on 3/21/06


If anyone here does not know anything about Christians being killed for their faith in Islamic countries they should look on the websites of Barnabas Fund or Voice of the Martyrs. These people really are Martyrs, whereas those who just blow themselves up and others with them are murderers and have committed suicide. Martyrdom is not the word to describe them.
---M.P. on 3/21/06


Randy, this has nothing to do with Liberals. I don't even know how you connected them together. I know for a fact there is many already on line that are radical Muslims. Trying to undermine the whole system of life to the way they want others to live. You cannot tell me that Islam is not to blame right now for the bombings around the world. They are not Christian. When I wrote this I knew you would not agree.
---Lupe2618 on 3/21/06


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2. I knew that you would answer in disagreement. You are with the ones that speak against her and people like her that want nothing more then to live in peace and have a family. She understands because her mind is not corrupted to that way of thinking. Maybe you have not read about the millions of Christians killed in Sudan and other countries in Africa. How can anyone favor that? That is the problem, you do have a right to believe what you want. In those countries they have no rights.
---Lupe2618 on 3/21/06


I am upset by people who dupe people in believing that they speak for god, like Robertson or Islamic fundamentalist.. Islamic and Christian fundamentalism is on a parallel track separate but going in the same direction. I am living amongst the Muslims so I can support my country, the US. Lupe, the woman you speak of is known widely as a liberal. From your past posts I didnt think you liked liberals.
---randy on 3/20/06


6. There is people that are willing to speak up even when their lives are at stack. She is from Syria. She said, "knowledge has released me from this backward thinking. Somebody has to help free the Muslim people from these wrong beliefs." Great words from a great lady who cares about life.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


5, She said, "Why does a young Muslim man, in the prime of life, with a full life ahead, go and blow himself up? She asked. "In our countries, religion is the sole source of education and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched." Of course her remarks set off debates around the globe. But her fame grew exponentially when she appeared on Al-Jazeera again on Feb. 21. and was translaed and widely distributed by MEMRI. She is now condemned to death.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


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4. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. She concluded, "Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind before they demand that humankind respect them. In the debate she questioned the religious teachings that prompt young people to commit suicide in the name of God.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


3. and teaching," Perhaps her most provocative words on Al-Jazeera were those comparing how the Jews and Muslims have reacted to adversity. Speaking of the Holocaust, she siad, "The Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledg, not with thier terror; with their work, not with thier crying and yelling." She went on, "We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a singel Jew destroy a church.
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


2. Internet more than a million times and has reached the email in boxes of hundreds of thousands of people around the world, Sultan bitterly criticized the Muslim clerics, holy warriors and political leaders who she believes have distorted the teachings of Muhammad and the Quran for 14 centuries. She said the world Muslims, whom she compares unfavorably to Jews, have descended into a vortex of selfpity and violence. She said, "I believe our people are hostages to our own beliefs
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


Randy, I want you to know that the problem of Islam is not Pat Robertson. It's is the religion itself. I know you defend it because as you say you live among them. I don't expect you to say anything different since you live there. Fear is in the lives of those who speak against them. I am pretty sure that you have heard of a Muslim woman by the name of Dr. Wafa Sultan. She gave a strong message in an interview on Al-Jazeera satellite television on Feb.21. In the interview, which was viewed on the
---Lupe2618 on 3/20/06


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Islam is Satanic. Jesus is the only way to God. Everything else that claims to give someone salvation is a lie from the pit of hell. Robertson is just speaking the truth.
---Ashton on 3/20/06


Randy seems more upset by people sending Robertson money than he is by the fact that Islam calls for the death of people with whom the Qu'ran disagrees and calls for the beheading of people.

Can't find either of those in the Bible!
---John_T on 3/20/06


Unfortunately someone agrees with Robertson as they keep sending him money and lots of it. Just was we label all Muslims by the actions of fundamentalists so are Christians judged by the actions of our fundamentalists.
---randy on 3/19/06


The most incriminating part of Islam is the Quran. It was compiled of observations as of "witnesses" of Muhammed's sermons twenty five years or more after his death. These witnesses all have different accounts of his messages. The book contradicts itself several times even after context is taken into account.
---Tom on 3/19/06


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For those interested in the source of those statistics I put forth I got them from Barna Research group. They might be a little out of date since they are a year old, but they should not have changed that much.
---Tom on 3/19/06


Pat Robertson, fortunately, doesn't speak for the majority of Christians. When he prays for someone to die or recommends an assassination, he is speaking for himself. You will have to look long and hard to find any Christians that seriously agree with that. I've never heard him advocate a theocracy. That would require an overthrow of the US Gov..and he'd have to do it almost singlehandedly! Not to worry.
---Donna2277 on 3/19/06


Praying for the death of Supreme Court Justices and the killing of the democratically elected leaders of a country and you want the government to be based on your interpretation of the Bible, all of that spells for me Theocracy. Also you must have a different version of the Quran than in do. I have the Marmaduke Pickthal translation and it is divided into different chapters with names. The English daily newspaper here in the Mideast also subscribes names for the different chapters of the Quran.
---randy on 3/19/06


Donna:
Good point! Yes, I've heard that, also. Here is wth work-around. You get the English-only readers to tell what translation they use, and use that.

You also can go to an Official Muslum site that is sponsored by some "name-brand Imam" and get the copy from them in English. Then compare the two English versions. If the both agree, ther eis no wrong translation.
---John_T on 3/18/06


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The Muslims who read will tell you that unless you know Arabic, you cannot understand the Qu'ran. (Wish I could remember where I read this, but I've read it several times.) So whatever is translated in to English from the Qu'ran they say is inaccurate. Illiterate Muslims only know of the teachings from their Imam and what he tells them. Of course a lot of Christians don't read the Bible, either, even though they are able to!
---Donna on 3/18/06


Randy, you speak of things which you know not:
Citing Qu'ran 8:12 or 9:24, is the proper citation. Anyone can find those suras.
Searching on CBN website for "theocracy" pulls up nothing likeyou allege. Your allegation is baseless.
Do you know the historic meaning of fundamentalism? It means taking the things as they are written, and believing it. You are correct to hate the fundamentalism of Islam because it calls for killing people; but there is nothing similar in Christianity.
---John_T on 3/18/06


Tom,
What is the source of those statistics?
---Bruce5656 on 3/18/06


Robertson is often off base - mainly in his doctrinal beliefs. But he is right on about the Muslim, Moslem, Islamic, Mohammaden or whatever religion. There is nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist. Jesus was one. But Allah is not the God of the Bible. He is a cruel, vengeful false god, who cares not for sinners, offers no hope of salvation, and has no power to change a life for service to mankind. Jesus commands "love one another," but Allah commands "kill the infidel."
---jerry6593 on 3/18/06


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I think we have very different views of what is going on in the world. My experience sees no difference in fundamentalism regardless, Christian, Islamic or what ever. I think we can agree to disagree. Donna, just look at Robertsons CBN web page and you will see a call for a theocracy, Robertsons view of a theocracy anyway. Also when one quotes the Quran you need to put the Book chapter name. It is like putting 3:16 without John.
---randy on 3/17/06


Here is a statistic for you. 70% of Muslims cannot read or write. They are totally illiterate and out of the 30% that are literate only ten percent can read in Arabic and therefore can read in the Quran in the official language. Out of that ten percent eight percent belong terrorist oranizations. Which means that a really small sect of muslims tell the rest of their religion what the quran says and they believe it.
---Tom on 3/17/06


An elder in our church is reading the Koran and he says it is absolutely not a peaceful religion. It does not tolerate any other religion and specifically demands the death of all Christians and Jews. The Muslims who tell you they are peaceful haven't read their book.
---john on 3/17/06


What about Americans who turn to Islam, do they follow the same thoughts and practices, or are they considered interlopers?
People such as Tiger Woods, Muhammed Ali etc?
---NVBarbara on 3/17/06


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Randy: You miss the point of Robertson's website. In order for him to advocate for a theocracy, as you allege, he must first advocate for the overthrowing of the US Constitution. That is sedition.

Nowhere on the website does he 1) advocate a theocratic government or 2)advocate an overthrow of the US Constitution. On this you are WAY off base.
---John_T on 3/17/06


It just seems strange to me that if desire for theocracy such a STRONG move, as you say, you don't find any bloggers on this site promoting it.
---Donna on 3/17/06


I was raised in a conservative Christian home. So I have seen both sides. If you want to look at the move towards a theocracy just look at Robertsons web site. That should suffice.
---randy on 3/17/06


The Qu'ran does command to kill Jews and Christians wherever you find them. But Muslims are to live in peace among themselves. Yeah. Right!
---Donna on 3/16/06


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Have you "observed living with" Conservative Christians? Or do you just go by what you've head? Granted there are a lot of people who have a hard time understanding Grace. But "conservative Christians" are a varied group. I read news magazines, newspapers and watch news programs daily. I've never heard anyone advocate a theocracy for this country. If this is a STRONG movement as you say, show me a blog where this is being advocated.
---Donna on 3/16/06


Randy:
Theocracy? Surely you gest.
I asked for details, you do not supply them. In stead, you give broad, baseless generalizations.

The USA is a republic, and it is bound by its Constitution. Any change in govermnent, such as you speculate requires a change in the Constitution.
Frankly, it ain't gonna happen.

BTW did I not just demonstrate the validity of Robertson's claim?
---John_T on 3/16/06


From webnews daily:The North Carolina Muslim who drove an SUV into people at the UNC campus wrote a letter to a local TV station saying Allah approves of attacks.

"Allah gives permission in the Quran for the followers of Allah to attack those who have raged war against them, with the expectation of eternal paradise in case of martyrdom and/or living one's life in obedience of all of Allah's commandments found throughout the Quran's 114 chapters,"

Bible says NOTHING like this!
---John_T on 3/16/06


Johnt T. I am just telling you that I have observed living in an Islamic Society. Conservative Christianity is taking a page from Islamic fundamentalist book. Southern Baptist and other denominations demand women are told to submit graciously to their husband. You can look at this blog and see that Christians are still bound by the law and not grace. And it doesnt take much review of current news programs to demonstrate that there is a STRONG move to make the US a theocracy.
---randy on 3/16/06


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2/2
And in a particular gruesome sura the Quran also instructs its followers to behead people.

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore, strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. This is because they acted adversely to Allah and his messenger (Quran 8:12)
---John_T on 3/15/06


1/2
HERE IS ONE OF MANY SIMILAR THINGS:

Quran 9:29 Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth.
---John_T on 3/15/06


Straw man argument, Randy. You make assumptions about Christianity for which there are no proofs: theocracy establishment, women subjection and no grace.

The opposite is true for the Bible, but in Islam, they are taught. In both the Hadith, and Quran you will find explicit teachings that subjugate women, teach hating Jews& Christians and rules keeping, but NO grace
---John_T on 3/15/06


john T
I know a preacher whose dad was a muslin preacher.
what is taught in Isalm is this. you have a n angel on your right taking down all your good deeds and an angel on your left taking down your bad deeds.when you die allah weights the good deeds and the bad deeds if the bad out weights the good you go to hell.
the only way to avoid the scales is martyrdom.you get into heave no questions asked
---willow on 3/14/06


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I am living in an Islamic society now and Conservative Christianity has more in common with radical Islam than difference. Desire to establish a theocracy, subjugation of women, use of family values when it suits their needs, the worship of a book, religion is the god not God, use of moral absolutes when not abided by ones defining morality. The most important thing is both live by the law and not by grace. These are just a few that I have observed in my experience.
---randy on 3/14/06


I have been in disagreement with some of Robertson's remarks. However this time I think he is 100% correct.
Radical Muslims call US the great Satan and mean us harm!
Mike's remarks are but a few disturbing facts about Mohammed, who was IMO led of the devil.
---MVBarbara on 3/14/06


Lets look at some of the facts of Islam and its founding.
1/ Mohammed could easily be defined as a gigolo. He married a woman 20 years older then him for her money.
2/ He was also a paedophile. Though the exact age of the girl is in question, it seems she was around 9-12 years old.
3/ Apostasy is punishable by death. Saying anything that isn't nice about Mohammed is punishable by death.
---mike6553 on 3/14/06


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