The Lusting For Bathsheba
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(David saw her and was tempted. His lust drew him away from God.)
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
(When David had lust in his heart there was sin, and sin brought forth death, the death of the child, and the seperation of David from the joy of God's salvation.- Psms 51).
---trey on 12/21/07|
According to the Torah David should have been executed for murder and adultery, but I guess no one dared bring him to trial since he was the king.
---InimicusStultitiae on 12/20/07|
He comiited several sins in this story but it began when he looked at her and desired her.P.
---Pierre on 12/20/07|
Cynthia, here's an example of what I was talking about of Bride doctrine taken to extremes.
King David lost his son over that "cool" bathing incident. Bathsheba lost her husband, Uriah.
---Joyce on 5/11/07|
I think it is pretty cool that the King fell in love with a woman who was bathing. Kind of harmonizes with the New Testament where it says that the church is sanctified by the washing of water by the Word. I am sure Jesus loves to see His bride, even when she appears to be in love with other loves, taking a bath in His Word.
---Linda on 5/11/07|
David sinned by being idle. As christians we should always be busy doing something for the Lord. Idleness is the devil's workshop. David had sent his men on to the battle and he stayed behind. He should have gone on with his men. His mind would have b een occupied and he would not have sinned with Bathsheba. Sin is so easy to fall into. The flesh is very, very weak.
---Robyn on 5/11/07|
In regards to John T it was pretty normal back then for people to bath outside like that. Infact It was the norm. So you cannot fault her for that :)
---Donte on 5/11/07|
The Bible says that when you look at someone with lust, you have already committed adultery in your heart.
---Leslie on 1/3/07|
Ps 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 . . . there is none that seeketh after God.
12 . . . there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
23 For all have sinned . . .
No person is righteous, except by legal imputation by our Judge; e.g., a guilty man declared not guilty by a judge.
---a_servant on 7/23/06|
Even inspite of King Davids lust and murder he was still counted as rightcheous by God.Why.?
---Ron on 7/23/06|
Dt 22:24 . . . ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city
- when she did not cry out to prevent the adultery
- if she planned to be seen
- if she remained uncovered, knowing the king was looking at her
From a married woman, each of these alone is sin.
---a_servant on 7/22/06|
David sinned when he:
- let his heart dishonor God
- desired her
- summoned her
- touched her
- attempted to shift responsibility
- did not honor Uriah's loyalty
- plotted Uriah's death
- killed Uriah
Each of these alone is sin.
---a_servant on 7/22/06|
I still believe Bathsheba bears some responsibility for bathing nude outside, in the daytime, in without any "shower curtain", knowing her nearness to David's house, and his bed chamber was in direct sight line of David.
If the President could see you as he looked down from the White House roof top, do you think that you would know it?
---John_T on 7/22/06|
When David acted on the lust it became sin. The interesting part to me is that he said in Psalms "My sin is always before me." Even though the children of Israel rejoiced in the wisdom of Solomon every time David looked at him it was probably a reminder that he was only human and had sinned like all other men.
---Shari on 7/22/06|
All of it was a sin. It started with him looking on Bathsheba then culminated when he sent for her and slept with her.
---Helen_5378 on 7/22/06|
Matt ch 5 says if you look with lust you've committed adultery already in your heart.
---r.w. on 7/22/06|
OK, I will start the "First Church of Bathsheba Culpable" tomorrow as I file the papers to make it a 401 (5) (c) corporation.
That way, I can be a televangelist, and take lots of tax-free money.
---John_T on 3/26/06|
John T. The problem is that what is clear to you is not clear to me and vice versa. That is probably the reason there are hundreds of different denominations in the US.
---randy on 3/22/06|
When we postulate something from the Bible, making rational deductions, we are not on thin ice because we label things as such, reserving the right to be wrong.
However, when we reject things that ARE clearly there, making unwarranted assumptions as some here do, then we are acting as we are walking on water, calling to others, "Follow me!".
That sort of nonsense does not come from Christ, but from the Enemy.
---John_T on 3/21/06|
Bathsheba, not considered to have sinned because men are the heads and women just submit to men. Remember Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, it is Adam who was questioned by God when in the real sense it was Eve that started eating middle fruits with the Snake!
---glrs on 3/21/06|
We on thin ice when we postulate anything from the Bible.
---randy on 3/20/06|
4. ... It appears Bathsheba was the one acted upon because it was a situation initiated by David. Nothing could have or would have transpired without his consent, and, he could have looked away.
The issue of lust is clear, as is the length one might go to, to cover sin. It is apparent that the same issues are being dealt with daily.
I read from the book entitled "Women Of The Bible", to obtain that information.
---lynet on 3/20/06|
Davids palace overlooked his whole city, way high up, looking down on the city. He was supposed to be off in battle, She wouldn't have known He was home. Her bathe was ceremonial cleansing, her time of month. Would have bathed from a basin, mostyly clothed. David wanted to see more than he could. To defy the king meant death. How brave would you be?
---Ruby on 3/20/06|
A. Bathseba was assuming her normal activites, King David acted on his desires.when he saw her bathing.
1. Bathsheba was: ... bathing in the spring when Kings are usually out to battle, David was at home.
2. ... bathing in the evening, in her private courtyard. Many others are assumed to be asleep at that time. David saw her when he arose from his bed, and looked down on her in the courtyard.
3. ... a married woman whose husband was at war. David was well informed.
---lynet on 3/20/06|
On this issue, Randy is correct: I relied more on movie memories than I did from memories of Scripture. I found no where that she did it twice.
However, she did bathe in the open, no robe mentioned, in the obvious sight-line of David's house. To assume that she was oblivious of that fact is unwarranted.
Therefore, it is not wrong to postulate that she was culpable in the affair.
---John_T on 3/20/06|
I am still not seeing where she was conniving. Also Nathan never mentions her sin but just the sin of David. It is easy to judge that she just should have said no even if it meant her life. I know what I hope I would do. But unless one has been in that situation it is impossible to know what one would do.
---randy on 3/19/06|
David sinned when he looked on purpose or began to covet that which was not his. As Nathan points out, if David had a need, then he should have asked God about it. 2 Samuel 12:7-8. In the story Bathsheba does not reveal strong religious principle--just say no, even if it meant death. At least Tamar had to be forced, and Vashti was removed because they said No, and meant it. Not a hint that Bathsheba resisted and her husband paid the price of her sin with his life.
---Wayne87 on 3/19/06|
John T. the story that I read in 2 Samuel in the KJV does not state any of the information about her being nude, or conniving. Vs. 2 merely states that she was bathing on her rooftop. Could you advise chapter and verse regarding her premeditation and conniving, sorry but I must have missed that. Thanks.
---randy on 3/19/06|
You asnwer your own Q. 1) She was naked on her rooftop, not under a robe. 2) She knew that her rooftop wasin the sight line of Davis, and 3) she did this more than once.
That is premeditation, conniving.
Her actions are not unlike parading around naked in a swimming pool if your neighbors can see you inside their homes, over your fence
---John_T on 3/18/06|
John T and Leon, where are you reading that Bathsheba was conniving? It is certainly not implied or hinted at in the KJV of the story. When David was reproached by Nathan Bathsheba is referred to as a lamb, not a human being, just another piece of property. WIVV here in the mid east a bath room is a luxury, it is not uncommon to see folks bath with at least some sort of garment on in any body of water they can find; it is not definitive that she was nude.
---randy on 3/17/06|
John_T; Regarding D&B, I agree -- definitely not an accident! It's apparent Bathsheba calculatingly & intentionally seduced David. Besides being an adulteress, was she also an opportunistic social climber? I think so!
After marrying David, she schemed to gain prominence for herself & her child by David, Solomon. She also contrived to have David name Solomon his successor.
---Leon on 3/16/06|
NEVER was seeing her an "accident". Do you not think she was aware the King David lived next door, or that his line of sight included her rooftop? If the President could see your rooftop, would you not know it?
Therefore, she is just as guilty as David because she enticed him several times.
It is the nature of men to look at women, especially if she is as beautiful as Bathsheba.
And it is the nature of women to seek men's admiration, that is why some dress to catch men's eyes.
---John_T on 3/15/06|
At the second look. The first time he saw Bethsheba was an accident - but when he "looked" the second time - this was sin.
(My question has always been, "What was she doing bathing where she could be seen?")
---WIVV on 3/14/06|
David look at her with Lust. He lust after her. David didn't set out to commit an insidious sin. People seldom do. He didnt plan to do it. But since we live in flesh, we will sin. Our mind will always say "yes", but the spirit will say "no". David did something that was abominable in God's sight; he coveted his neighbor's wife, committed adultery with her, and then added sin to sin by attempting to cover it up.David ask for forgiveness before God, however. 2 Sam. 12:1-6
---Ramon on 3/14/06|
Matthew 5:28, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
---Bruce5656 on 3/14/06|