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When Will The Rapture Occur

Will there be a "rapture" a snatching away or Will the church (the saved, the called out ones) goes through the tribulation that is to come.

Moderator - I used to believe in pre-tribulation rapture, but after researching the topic I believe the post-tribultation rapture is more likely.

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The rapture: "And Henoch lived a godly life, and was no more, for God raptured him away. Eliyah said to Elisha, Ask what I will do for you, before I be raptured from you. And Elisha said, I pray you, let a double portion of your spirit be upon me. And he said, You have asked a hard thing: if you see me raptured from you, it will be so onto you, but if not, it will not be so. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ will rise first: then we which are remaining alive will be raptured up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so will we always be with the Lord." Gen.5:25+ II Kg. 2:9,10+ I Thes.4:16,17.
---Eloy on 2/24/10


I too believe the rapture is post tribulation. There are MANY biblical proofs for this. Unfortunately many believers are being set up to bring about reproach to the Name of the one who died for us by pushing the [re trib falsehood.
---Chris on 2/21/10


You are aware the "tribulation" is 3.5 years, not 7 years, right: and the wrath of Satan is NOT the wrath of God, right?

The "rapture" is falsely thought of as an heavenly removal of the "church" from the tribulation to come. In fact, the "rapture" is the culmination of that tribulation.

To understand when the tribulation starts, you must understand that the "man of sin" must be revealed and that this revealing takes place when he stands in the temple and declares himself to be God.

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel[9:27} the prophet, stand in the holy place...
21 ...then shall be great tribulation...
---BruceB on 2/19/10


there is nothing in Holy Word of God that supports the man made idea of a rapture ...in fact nothing implies a rapture

the tribulation is simply the times of trouble when the final resurrection of the holy roman empire will rule the world for a short season until The Father in Heaven brings about the final destruction of earth during these times of trouble the church is protected in a place of safety on earth JUST like Israel was protected

Christ returns at the LAST trump to resurrect those to the PROMISE of eternal life 1Corin15
---Rhonda on 2/19/10


I believe that since there are only two resurrections that the rapture and the Second Coming must be the same event. pre and mid both have to have two resurrections of the righteous.

I also believe Matthew 25 is describing the rapture and that includes every eye will see JESUS.
---Samuel on 2/19/10




alan8566_of_uk: ""You two [Eloy/alan] live the life of luxury in today's modern world"

As you do."

Again, you assume much. I lead a very simple lifestyle. I'm not materialistic, not having much in possessions - ready to move on a moments notice as the Holy Spirit directs me. I own a company giving me a decent salary where I could easily live off of $800 per month (or live in the wilderness for free, when the time comes). I rent a room from a family for $500, cell phone is $80, and groceries cost me $200 per month (most of the time, though, I'm invited for either breakfast, lunch or dinner from someone in the neighborhood or from the local business groups). I enjoy life without possessions.
---Steveng on 2/19/10


alan8566_of_uk, sure, a few people think I'm strange, but I'm not living to impress people, but only to glorify God. Isn't that the purpose of life? I'm well fed, have a roof over my head (no matter where I go throughout the United States), and clothes on my back. Am I happy? You bet I am. I'm content whether I'm well off or living in the streets (which happened twice in my life, not counting the time I hitchhiked across the North America for a year and a half). In either case, I continue to glorify God.

Would you be truly content, and continue to glorify God, if one day everything was taken away from you and you found yourself in the streets without friends and family?
---Steveng on 2/19/10


"Steveng, Until you get saved, you will believe and say whatever you desire."
Eloy
Well, Eloy don't you say and believe whatever you desire? You have every since you came on CN. People who don't accept your foolishness are "Lost" according to the doctrine of the Eloylites.
Frances if the church is not taken out before the judgements fall then that makes God a liar. He has promised to keep us from the time of trouble. God keeps all of His promises.
There is not a mid-trib Rapture for the Church as you think. You don't see the church after Rev 3:22. Why? Because it has been Raptured out. John is seen in Heaven and then the judgement book is opened, in that order.
---Elder on 2/19/10


The Bible clearly teaches that the Church will go through the Tribulation.

The idea of a secret rapture before it was never heard of before 1830.
---Cluny on 2/19/10


Alan, you were exactly right and you know it :)
---Rod4Him on 2/19/10




"Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." It is a very compelling scripture.
---mima on 2/19/10

This scripture has NOTHING to do with the rapture and does NOT define the rapture. It is one the lines of separation of the book Revelation as defined in Rev 1:19 "Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things"

The "things you have seen" are Jesus in the midst of the lamp stands. The "things which are" are all of the letters to the churches as well as the throne room scenes. The "things which will take place after these things" are everything else.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/19/10


Is Christ the minister of sin? God forbid: for not all souls are sinuous, and not all souls are righteous. Because one person is a hypocrite does not make every person a hypocrite, because one person chooses to sin does mean all people choose to sin: the son will not bear the iniquity of the father: for the sin of the sinuous will be upon the sinuous, and the righhteousness of the righteous will be upon that righteous: and you will know them by their fruits.
---Eloy on 2/19/10


francis on 2/19/10 I still believe that Daniel 12 holds the key to when the rapture will occur.
We can believe what we want, but we need to back it with scripture.

It is during the time of trouble that Michael stands up to deliver His people. Some of them are dead, and will rise from the grave when MICHAEL comes to rescue them.

1 thess 4:16 For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
---michael_e on 2/19/10


---francis, mid-tribulation rapture? While I do not want to side with you completely(and I believe I am aware of most of the arguments for mid-tribulation rapture) after many years of study I cannot argue against your position." Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." It is a very compelling scripture.
---mima on 2/19/10


I still believe that Daniel 12 holds the key to when the rapture will occur.

It is during the time of trouble that Michael stands up to deliver His people. Some of them are dead, and will rise from the grave when Michael comes to rescue them.

Those who will be raised are those whose names are in the book of life.

Because there will be only two resurrections,
Thessalonians lets us know that the dead in christ will rise at the time of the coming of Jesus, Daniel lets us know that this coming occurs during the time of trouble.

thus rapture must be MID TRIB
---francis on 2/19/10


Steveng, Until you get saved, you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/19/10


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If AT THAT TIME means at the time of trouble, then surely we are talking about a MID tribulation rapture
---francis on 2/18/10

Seems to me you are putting the horse before the cart.

How can "at that time" mean anything but at that moment or during that time?

The passage you are referring to can then be interpreted as "at the start of that time", or "in the middle of that time", or "at the end of that time". You picked middle when all three are correct.

The tie with Michael in Revelaton is Rev 12 where he fights with the dragon. At that time, no one is rescued. In fact is says "Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you...".
---Mark_Eaton on 2/19/10


Steveng ... (to Eloy & myself) "You two live the life of luxury in today's modern world"

As you do.

Then you say "Are there any "real" christians? What is a real christian? Christians today are walking the same path as the Jews back in the days of Jesus, the path of true unbelief"

So then we have to believe that you are not a Christian, because Christians are not saved, and that only you are saved.

And of course I have it wrong, when I say: "We are to to be ready at all times, to live at all times (24/7) as Jesus told us".
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/19/10


People do not understand the Rapture because they do not understand the terms used. Christians are not the elect. We are the church. Matt 24 is not about the Rapture.
Frances there is a mid-trib rapture but only two people are involved. That does not include you or me.
The 7 churches is not an example of churches in time periods. During all times there have been examples of each of the churches. John wrote to 7 literal churches in Asia. There were more. His message is for all churches of all times until the church age ends. The end of the church age will be at the Rapture which occurs between Rev 3:21 and 4:1. The Ark is an example of the Rapture. The Saved were safely inside before any rain/judgement fell.
---Elder on 2/18/10


Eloy, alan8566_of_uk: "Steveng, No real Christian in Christ would..."

Are there any "real" christians? What is a real christian? Christians today are walking the same path as the Jews back in the days of Jesus, the path of true unbelief.

You two live the life of luxury in today's modern world. The same world as in the days of Noah. The Words of God has been so watered down that todays's christianity is not the same as it was 2,000 years ago. It's definately not the same as it was 100 years ago. Or even 50 years ago. There is so much conflicting ideas about how to be a christian it just boggles a person's mind. Just reading many of the posts on these blogs should give you an indication of what I mean.
---Steveng on 2/18/10


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Dan.12 ".at that time shall Michael stand up, that great prince which standeth for the children(ISRAEL)and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation(ISRAEL)even to that same time, and at that time thy people(Israel,) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" " many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth" "many of them shall awake" ref John 5, "some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Dan.12:8 9 "I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?' And he said, Go thy way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
---michael_e on 2/18/10


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: AND AT THAT TIME thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

If AT THAT TIME means at the time of trouble, then surely we are talking about a MID tribulation rapture

And many of them that sleep shall awake... is the same referrence as thessalonians, thus this includes the church.
---francis on 2/18/10


MID TRIBULATION is right
not pre not post
---francis on 2/18/10

Depends upon your definition of when the Tribulation starts.

I have no problem saying MID Trib if the seals are included in the TRIB.

However, I believe the seals are outside of the TRIB, so therefore I must say PRE TRIB because I see the great multitude appearing from out of nowhere in front of John in Chapter 7 right at the point of all the seals being opened.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/18/10


Since any scripture that would pertain to a rapture, is only found in the revelation given to the Apostle Paul dealing with the Body of Christ, under Grace, why would we go back to the OT under Law, and take scripture and try to make it fit.
---michael_e on 2/18/10


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Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

MID TRIBULATION is right
not pre not post
---francis on 2/18/10


Steveng, No real Christian in Christ will take the 666, only the hypocrites and the condemned follow the antiChrist. And scripture tells us that when a person is one with Christ then there is no worry about the condemned world, because fire cannot burn fire, only those whom are not of the fire will be burned. Remember how God protected the Israelites from his 10 plagues that he brought upon the Egyptians in Moses' day? Remember Noah and his framily? and Lot and his family? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? Remember Daniel in the Lions den? Please read II Peter 2:4-9, Revelation 3:10-13, Matthew 24:36-44, I Thessalonians 4:16-18, II Thessalonians 2:1-12, Matthew 24:1-15.
---Eloy on 2/18/10


Steveng

Surely, Eloy is right to say it does not matter when the rapture comes, and any planning to be ready for it at the calculated time is useless. We are to to be ready at all times, to live at all times (24/7) as Jesus told us.

The issue of the Mark is something different, and what you say about this (if it is valid) would apply irrespective of whether the rapture is pre trib or post trib or mid trib.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/18/10


Eloy: "It does not matter..."

That surely is a poor christian attitude.

There is a certain christian that believes wholeheartedly in the pre-trib rapture. His government mandates that each person be implanted with the Digital Angel and they have convinced the people with an ironclad reason to accept DA. Now, he believes that this is not the Mark of the Beast because he will be raptured before that happens. So he unknowingly takes the DA only to find out later that he took the Mark of the Beast. This is the big delusion by Satan to make christians believe in the pre-trib rapture.

His blood will be on your hands because "It does not matter..." and you didn't warn him.
---Steveng on 2/17/10


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It does not matter if Christ comes for you pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib. Some think God will take them up off the earth before the tribulation, and some think he will take us during the tribulation, and some think he will take us up after the tribulation. The fact is it will happen, and we are suppose to be ready, in the Holy Spirit and without sin at all times. When you continue to obey: "Blessed that servant, whom their Lord when he comes will find so doing." Matthew 24:46. But if you turn away to sin, and say in your heart, My Lord delays his coming: "The Lord of that servant will come in a day when that one not looking for, and in an hour that that one is not aware of." Matthew 24:50.
---Eloy on 2/17/10


Second, Godly men and women in Scripture were never raptured, but were protected by God while still on earth - Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God (Revelation). All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.

Third, why have a tribulation if the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Does that mean judgment has been served? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 2/16/10


Fourth, how can end-time Christians be so vain to think they are more special than the Christians and Godly people who went through tribulations in all of history. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to truly die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past?

Fifth, the verses that most Christians believe that pertain to the rapture can be easily plugged into the beginning, the middle or the end of the so-called tribulation period. Christians will be going through the tribulation much like all the other people who gone through tribulation in the past. Don't worry though if your faith in God is strong, He will protect you.
---Steveng on 2/16/10


Since God just made me go through TWO Blizzards and shovel myself out of one of them all day long, knowing full well I have a blood clot in my liver and I'm very weak, then I believe God will allow Christians to go through the tribulation to test their faith.

Thou I walk THROUGH the valley of the SHADOW of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me.

I wasn't saying this when I was outside crying and praying and shoveling out 2 feet of snow on Feb 10th. I kept asking God to move the storm or stop it, but neither happened. We will go THROUGH the tribulation and then be rapured out because we will not be touched by evil. Psalm 91 says, "no evil will come nigh my dwelling place."
---Donna on 2/16/10


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I had an interesting thought as I read some of these comments.

Many people, who believe in a pre-trib rapture, are looking more for a rapture than they are the second return of Christ.

The focus becomes more on themselves, in this case, rather than on the person of Christ....interesting...
---Rod4Him on 2/16/10


Aft God's Church is raptured, there will be those that will try to kill themselves because they didn't go, & God's Word says they wont die, they will suffer that agony for a time.
A Vast number of those out of All the Man-made relig-org's churches even those that rejected God, those that knew of God, athiest, sorry to say even those from God's own Church because of disobedience because of loving some things of this world that the devil has caused them to be lost, backsliders, will be in that Great battle where the blood will be up to the horses bridle of the horse that The Lord will be riding on. I sure dont want to be here.
---Lawrence on 2/16/10


what good is a "rapture" after the event..if you see the church as a type of Noah's ark you will understand this great escape..and if you should miss it,you can still make Heaven but theres a strong chance of being matyred,probably beheaded..no fun in the trib. and why should the last generation be different from generations gone before (as in Hebrews Ch.11)..if Paul (eg.) didnt have the "wealth of the wicked" why should anyone else this side of Glory?..
---richard on 2/16/10


The believers will be "caught up" at the Second Coming of Christ just before he makes war and will end all things as they presently are. The heavens and earth will be destroyed and be recreated anew.
---jody on 2/16/10


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When will the rapture occur?

No one knows and anyone who says they do just doesn't know that they don't know.

For our purposes the rapture is when you die. When you're gone you're gone.
---larry on 2/16/10


The soon to come tribulation, even it is upon us, the fire that will test your faith, is the ultimate test for the Christian of this last generation. It will separate the true Christians from those who say they are Christians. It is for the last generation where love has waxed cold and terror has strongly gripped the world and who will witness the second coming of our Lord. May your faith be as strong as Job's during these trying times and that you put on the complete armor of God for your protection. Meet with others on a daily basis to keep your faith strong for the time is at hand.

Praying each of you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in the name of Jesus.
---Steveng on 2/15/10


One more comment: It's apparent that the posts on these blogs are from people who are just too knowledgeable to agree on any one point. They use their worldly knowledge to define what is truth. Posters use worldly Christian references instead of relying on the Bible itself and the Holy Spirit. It is also apparent that posters have the knowledge of God, but deny his true power. Christianity today is in a very sad state of affairs when Christians have a very superficial view of the Bible and rarely delve into the heart of it. This is what will cause the great falling away from the faith - by not having a strong foundation in the Word of God.
---Steveng on 2/15/10


until I understood what the Apostle Pauls Gospel was about and studied the real meaning of 2 Tim 2:15,and the church, the Body of Christ I never gave much thought to the rapture, but now I don't see the trib as a church age, body of Christ, event
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him
---michael_e on 2/15/10


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Jesus says: "In the world you all will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. And except those days should be shortened, there would no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." John 16:33+ Matthew 24:22. Please Read- Matthew chapter 24:4-51.
---Eloy on 2/15/10


1 Thessalonians 4:15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Revelation 20:4They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The rapture is the first resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:23 states there is only 1 resurrection for believers. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits, then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Be prepared to live (and if it's God's will to die) through the great tribulation.
---Gord on 2/15/10


on the LAST DAY
---donald on 4/9/08


Like the Moderator says, we should be ready all the time. I think a post Tribulation rapture is more likely too. This is due to Matthew 24 and Mark 13 saying that the times of suffering have been shortened for the sake of the Elect. Many have also been through persecution, tribulation and even execution. For them it is post-tribulation already.
---frances008 on 4/8/08


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Dont believe anything movie makers dish out for all to see..there is no such thing as a rapture, but scripture says, example, 2people in the field, grinding/meaning teaching the gospel, one will be taken up/for the truth he shares and the other left behind/false teacher etc. many examples..this is where the movie makers got the idea and called it the Rapture.
---pop on 4/8/08


The rapture of the church precedes a literal, seven year tribulation, which is followered by the second coming of Christ. Believers and unbelievers will both undergo this tribulation.>>>Jesus warned that the great tribulation would be so intense that its calamities will nearly decimate all of life [Matt.24: 15-22].
---catherine on 4/7/08


Moderator why do you believe in the post-tribulation rapture?

Moderator - Many reasons which I could talk hours about. I can give a few high points to direct others to research further for themselves. 1. Pre-trib doctrine is a new theory pasted to us from a Catholic Priest, to Darby and then the Scofield Horts Bible where most of the false bible translations and false doctrines come from today. 2. We are living in the Laodicea Church Age of Revelation 3:15-16 where the Church makes Christ want to vomit it out of His mouth. I don't know of any one denomination today that doesn't have false doctrines or in an apostate condition yet Christians don't realise our poor condition. 3. It's the apostate church which brings in the Anti-Christ 2 Thessalonians 2:3. 4. My guess is that 1 or 2 Popes from now will be a Spirit-Filled Pope with false signs and wonders whom will unite Catholics with the Pentacostals and then most of the remaining Protestants. 5. The events leading up to the Tribuation are being caused by the apostate Christians which is probably 90% of Christians today. 6. True Christians aren't looking for the signs that the TV evangelists tell us to look for a pre-trib rapture, but instead are trying to witness to the apostate church.
---Rickey on 4/5/08


The word "rapture" isn't used, but the description of the catching away of the church is described as certain in I Thessalonians Chapter 4 and we can count on it!
---Theresa on 8/6/07


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If the only thing holding back "the man of lawlessness" is the Holy Spirit and the HS resides in us, does the HS lose His power and let the anti-christ do his thing or are the vessels that contain the HS removed? This is another thing that will remain unknown until the day comes.There are exellent arguments for both opinions, I say be ready for our Christ's return and be ready to go through the tribulation. The preparation is the same.
---Andrea on 8/4/07


The supposed "secret rapture" is merely an urban legend. The ONLY hint of a rapture in scripture is the "catching away" occuring in conjunction with Christ's second coming.
---jerry6593 on 8/4/07


Before you can discuss the erroneous concept of a premillennial rapture you must first take on the confusing and unbiblical doctrine of "premillennial dispensationalism". Without a thorough analysis of this doctrine any discussion or debate about "when" or "how" the prophecized
"snatching away" of believers will take place will inevitably end in some form of confusion and/or hostility from both sides of the discussion or debat.
---berf on 8/4/07


No one knows the exact time or the day, but Jesus said, " by the signs we see, we could know His second coming is close" ! I believe that God will remove His chosen ones from that horrible fate that the earth will experience. It is called a Great and terrible day. Great for some and terrible for others. Jesus is the deciding factor....Believe in Him !
---tony on 8/4/07


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Rapture ready, please read the Mod's comments on this blog. It's an eye opener.
---Cindy_Rogers on 8/3/07


MP: Many people see the RAPTURE as a secret event to take place before Jesus returns. But it is not biblical! P.
---Pierr5358 on 4/29/06


Joseph your word is backed up by scripture and not opinion it is not influenced by mans doctrine but the apostles doctrine you get an Amen from me.
---Exzucuh on 4/29/06


Part 3 of 3 This is documented in the line of that verse that reads" and so shall we ever (defined always,evermore,3842 strong's},be with the Lord." The word clouds used in this verse refers to the vast number of angels that will accompany Him, documented in 2 Thes.1:7,10. The word was used in the same manner in Heb.12:1,and when referring to the witnesses of The faith. As farther document that our reign is on earth consider Rev.5:10 & 21:2. The bride comes down to us. Rev.21:9-10
---josef on 4/29/06


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"There is NO RAPTURE featured/mentioned in the Bible other than the righteous being caught up in the air to meet their Saviour when He returns to take them to heaven with Him, " Pierre - I thought that this was what we ALL meant when we referred to The Rapture. What else could we have been implying that it meant? You have confused me. The only dispute appears (to me) to be 'when' this will happen.
---M.P. on 4/29/06


Part 2 of 3. To answer your first question. The only rapture of the church is the exceeding joy of The Lords return. The words caught up in 1 Thes. 4:17 refers to being preferred and taken,or plucked out of our earthly bodies, (Refs. 726 in the strong's concordance) along with the risen dead to meet (defined encounter, 529 strong's) the Lord in the air (breathe) or our true essence. (cont. part 3)
---josef on 4/29/06


Mima,Rev.4:1 is in reference to John only,and was fulfilled in Rev.4:2. In response to your questions. We will be gathered together post tribulation to encounter the Lord in our spiritual eternal bodies to unite in the work of the judgment, and the enlightenment of the righteous who died pre-Christ's atoning sacrifice during our millennial reign. As far as our going any where, I read no mention of that. Rev.20:9 documents the fact that we are here on earth during that time. Part 1 of 3
---Josef on 4/29/06


IThess.4:13-18, IIThess.2:1-17, I Cor.15:50-58, are true. "Rapture" accurately describies a "biblical event". "Trinity" likewise is a viable description of God, "GodHead" or "The United One".

"Rapture or Trinity" are not in scriptures. The word "Christians" originated at Antioch.

Bottom Line, if words are accurate & viable descriptions, what's the problem(s)? "Jacob's Trouble"/Great Tribulation will happen!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 4/29/06


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Moderator:To believe in the pre-trib rapture we finally agree. The "Post-trib" rapture is for the Jews(144000) and those who are saved by them. The second coming of the Lord is not the rapture at all. The rapture of the church will happen 1 thes 4:16-17..then 7 yr tribulation period. Then the coming of the Lord..Amos chap 5:16-20 where there will be wailing in the streets. Brother Jack Hyles has a wonderful sermon called the "Rapture comes before sir" that will be a great help.
---Steve on 4/28/06


Some of you may not know it but the the doctrine of the rapture came about from the prophesy of a 15 year old girl before this it was unheard of.
---Exzucuh on 4/28/06


There is NO RAPTURE featured/mentioned in the Bible other than the righteous being caught up in the air to meet their Saviour when He returns to take them to heaven with Him, where together they will reign 1000 yrs and assist with "audit" part of the judgment of the wicked.
When that is done, He will return once more with saints, destroy the wicked, cleanse the earth with fire and create all things new,
setting up our permanent adress! Hope to see there! P.
---Pierr5358 on 4/28/06


I Lean towards a Pre-tribulation or Mid-tribulation(Revelation 4:1) rapture. I can not understand a Post- tribulation rapture taking place, since I cannot understand what we would be being kept from. What in fact would be the purpose of a post-tribulation rapture? If we have went through the tribulation, and Jesus has returned to the earth to set up to the millennial kingdom what would be the purpose of our being raptured and to where?
---mima on 4/28/06


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Think about it, The trump of God is the seventh and last trump. Why would The Father take His called from the earth at a time when they will be most needed?
---josef on 4/28/06


when reading the scriptures we need to read it from a jewish point of view, not american. I hope the rapture takes place but do not believe every book out there that has a pre-trib view. Many of those books have fallacy's.
---alan on 4/17/06


I came from a AG church wich taught pre-trib. But after hearing Walid Shoebat a former PLO teroist now beliver in Jesus who studied scriptures from a middle eastern view point i might also aggreee with post trib.
---Alan on 4/17/06


Eloy, your right. You will be raptured at the first resurection. Be prepared, be ready.
---Thomas on 4/13/06


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Eloy, Like I said if there's not pre-trib. you will be one disappointed christian. Martha said to Jesus, I know he will rise in the resurection, note the word resurection is used and not rapture. I wonder how many christians today would be in the same class as the scribes of old Israel? I here people all the time saying,I'm glory bound, but I pray that I'm worthy to be in glory.
---Thomas on 4/13/06


Thomas, believe what you will. At Christ's return and at the trump of God, the saints will be raptured off the earth. The wicked will be wicked still, and the righteous will be righteous still, but when it's over it's over. That's why it is so imporatant for a true Christian to remain sinless and stay in Christ everyday. The question is: When he comes, and he is coming very soon, will he find faith on earth?
---Eloy on 4/13/06


Eloy, let's say that the rapture comes at the first ressurection, how many christians today will deny JESUS? How many today could do as PAUL and lay down his head? I don't believe in pre-trib, so I won't be disappointed as you are if I'm right. If your right I'll be pleased as punch.
---Thomas on 4/12/06


ruben, The righteous will be raptured, even as Henoch was, and the wicked will be left behind. Please read the scriptures I cited below.
---Eloy on 4/12/06


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Eloy-(Remember how God protected the Israelites from his 10 plagues that he brought upon the Egyptians in Moses' day? Remember Noah and his framily? and Lot and his family? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? Remember Daniel in the Lions den?) But were they not "Left Behind"..
---ruben on 4/11/06


the wicked are living and working beside us, but very soon we will be raptured and all that will be left here on the earth will be the ungodly. Remember how God protected the Israelites from his 10 plagues that he brought upon the Egyptians in Moses' day? Remember Noah and his framily? and Lot and his family? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? Remember Daniel in the Lions den? Please read II Peter 2:4-9; Revelation 3:10-13; Matthew 24:36-44; I Thessalonians 4:16-18; II Thessalonians 2:1-12; Matthew 24:1-15.
---Eloy on 4/11/06


There is no such event in the Bible as a "snatching away" pre-trib rapture!
The closest happening to a "rapture" is the lifting up of the saints to meet their Saviour in the air at the 2nd coming, post-trib.
NB: The danger with the pre-trib option is that it has built in an extra probationary period which is not biblical. Now is the time to prepare for when Jesus comes the final destiny of each of us will be decided! P.
---Pierre on 4/11/06


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