As I mentioned before, any teaching can be the basis for a "cult". Many cults have been formed from Scripture alone.
If someone distorts and elaborates on certain writings, and if he has a certain amout of ego
and personality, he can probably start a cult.
Often the fault is that of the cult leader not necessarily the writings from which he chooses to teach.
---Donna66 on 7/22/11|
Aka, I agree that many cults start from others who teach. That is a given. And also understand the reasoning that person gave concering the writings of Watchman Nee. We should be caution on anyones writings. Not just his. We know that no man alive is perfect, with the acception of three people here on line who claim perfection. When people write books, they can be very helpful to the Christian life. But we do have to compare what they write to the Word of God. The Word of God is our rule.
Watchman Nee's books can be helpful in some areas, and not helpful in others.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/11|
aka-- I'm not sure this will help the confusion. I should have gone to the web site instead of assuming the quote was self-explanatory.
//Nee's presuppositions are suspect in light of the Word of God// What "presuppositions" was he talking about? He didn't say! I wasn't sure from this short quote.
If he was talking about "doctrine", What did I miss? If he was talking about mysticism, the author is probably right. But it sounded like any dummy, "non-theologian" should know what he meant. BUT being a "non-theologian certainly doesn't mean one "uncritically accepts the writings of Watchman Nee". In fact. I don't recall anything specific enough to even found a cult upon!
---Donna66 on 7/18/11|
donna66, now i am really confused. i did totally quote an article written by someone else. i do agree with the article. i did not include quotations because of 125. i thought that the reference of his book and the internet address of where i read it would suffice.
i guess that i do not understand your reference to me and i still do not in light of what was posted.
---aka on 7/17/11|
aka-- I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. (and I didn't take offense, either, because of what I read)
I knew you were quoting an article. But since you quoted it without explanation, I naturally (though apparently mistakenly) assumed you agreed with all it said.
---Donna66 on 7/17/11|
There are several great books Watchman Nee wrote in his early years. One is "The Two Natures", he wrote at age 23. You can download this short article on line.
Another is SIT, WALK, STAND. I also think is an excellent book on our position in Christ as we go through spiritual warefare.
Another is "The Mystery of Christ", that goes into the Mystery of the Church, His Body. The Body of Christ being the consumation of the work of the Cross.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/11|
//(though according to aka, I suppose I should have).//
donna66, please do not reread my post...please read it for the first time and do not skim it.
the article that i quoted is not according to aka. in that excerpt, the author wrote, "Nee's presuppositions are suspect in light of the Word of God." IOW, you will not distill a lot of doctrine. IMO, you will just hear a lot of like words that is used in new age mysticism and modern pop-psychology.
---aka on 7/17/11|
I believe that AKA is correct.
---jody on 7/16/11|
Mark_V.--I had the same impression from The Normal Christian Life and other of his writings. But It's been nearly 30 yrs since I read them. I hadn't studied theology and couldn't really distill a lot of "doctrine" from them (though according to aka, I suppose I should have).
Watchman never started any cult. A couple of his avid followers did. Obviously they saw things in his writings that I never did! (But I've decided you can make a "cult" out of almost any teaching, human or pure scripture, if you have the desire and personality for it)
---Donna66 on 7/16/11|
Many Christians uncritically accept the writings of Watchman Nee even though few know anything about his background...But one need not be a theologian to discover that his teachings call for scrutiny and caution by Christians... When a Christian begins to see Nee as a guide in determining the value of other Christian writers, or sees Nee's writings as a key to spirituality, that person is headed for trouble. Nee's presuppositions are suspect in light of the Word of God. His books provide grist for cult groups such as The Way, The Alamo Foundation, the Children of God and other groups. The astute believer should watch out for Watchman Nee.
Watching Out For Watchman Nee by G. Richard Fisher
apologeticsindex dot org/n01 dot html
---aka on 7/16/11|
Donna66, I also read a few of Watchman Nee's books. It happen right after the Lord saved me. They were very helpful to me in learning about Christ and the Christian faith. I still have some of his books, "The normal Christian Life" "Love not the world" and one I loved, "Not I But Christ" For a beginner this books were very helpful to me. Some things were hard to understand when I first started but one thing I notice is that his books pertain more to Christian living in Christ, and less on theology.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/11|
Correct "Witness Nee" did not teach what Watchman Nee taught at all.
I think this confuses people. Witness Nee came after Watchman Nee, perverted his teachings and started a cult. To confuse things more, there is someone called "Witness Lee", a cultist too, I assume.
The writings of Watchman
Nee are fine...deep and somewhat difficult reading... but worthwhile if you can stick with them.
---Donna66 on 7/10/11|
Please don't confuse Watchman Nee with Witness Nee.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/11|
"The Church in Los Angeles." He maintains that God is present only in the local assemblies, theirs, that is. All others are outside the will and blessing of God. He stresses that Christian "victory" is not gained by teaching, doctrine, or prayer, but by just four words of praise. The assemblies often repeat in unison, either spoken, sung, or shouted: "O Lord, Amen, Hallelujah!"
Lee's method of teaching and control is a definite form of brainwashing. All who join his assemblies are admonished to forget all the doctrine they ever knew, and submit to the ways and teachings of the Leeites, and because of a resemblance to the Children of God movement, many Jesus People have also joined .
---kathr4453 on 7/10/11|
google -bibles for america- and you can recieve several books written by Watchman and Witness Nee free of charge, then find out for yourself what his teaching is. I have them but still haven't got to them yet so I have little knowledge of who he is and what he believed.
---willa5568 on 7/6/11|
The book, The Latent Power of the Soul completely changed my life and helped me find freedom from controlling soul ties. WN was a gifted believer and we all see through a glass darkly, but thank God for the truths that we can apply
---Amy_G on 7/6/11|
not something that would help a new believer.
---Donna66 on 6/1/10
not something to edify a seasoned believer either.
---aka.joseph on 6/3/10|
Watchman Nee came along well before the popular "word of faith" movement and his thinking is not quite so simplistic. The book for which he is best known is The Normal Christian Life. (I don't see that he had a lot in common with Smith Wigglesworth.) His books are not "light" reading and require a lot of thought and self examination... not something that would help a new believer.
---Donna66 on 6/1/10|
From my reading (and from two of his books I have read) he appears to have been a giften man of God, sent to preach in China at a time when foreighn preachers were banned
As for the other comments (about what he believed) my experience(from churches in 5 countries) is that each country (even within a denomination) has things it views slightly different
Nee was certainly used by God to preach in a country where the faith was banned
Any mistakes of his are really known only to God, not to us
---peter3594 on 5/31/10|
i have been a christian since 1979 and have been thru the gaunlet so to say concerning doctrines and movements. in my opinion their has never been a book written outside of the bible that was as annointed as "the normal christian life" this book literally set me free from the doctrines of the lifeless churchs of today. i 1st read this book in 1989 and immediatly it changed me. i only saw the truths of this book objectively at that time but the truths of them got me thru the coming yrs and some tough times. now i know them subjectively and i'll never be the same and i understand the gospel so much clearer.
---danny on 5/30/10|
There is nothing extreme about believing a Christian could be demon possessed. If a Christian is a baptized person, then there is documented evidence on the internet (and no doubt available in book form) of a Catholic girl who was demon possessed and died during the exorcism. As for non-Christians, Jesus was always coming face to face with demon possessed people. It is only recently that certain people are making out that demons don't really exist. They obviously don't believe their Bibles.
---frances008 on 5/4/09|
Nee Shi Tsu believed in a perfectionist theology, and was overly influenced by the Holiness movement. He taught that there were four experiences after salvation, and a partial rapture for non carnal Christians only. He believed in a plurality of elders in place of a Pastor, and that they had unquestionable authority over all things spiritual and secular in their congregations. Nee equated emotionalism with spiritual power, and felt that God was to be known through "internal registrations" (partially gnostic). Nee undervalued the
importance of Scripture. He believed that there was only one church in a city, and his followers believed that it was their congregation.
---Glenn on 5/2/09|
Watchman Nee is the most profound and anointed man of God you will ever meet through his books. He was a teacher of the Word of God in China for many years with an anointing that matches no other to this day except maybe Smith Wigglesworth. His teachings are profound. His books are spectacular if you want to learn more about Jesus and the deep things of God. I recommend Song of Solomon as your first book to read. Then maybe The Spiritual Man. Love not the world is another good book of his.
Moderator - If he is Word of Faith or the Prosperity gospel, he would be a false teacher.
---Donna on 5/3/07|
Many of Watchman Nee's teachings are extreme. He believed a Christian could be demon posessed. Many of his teachings contridict the Covanant Promises God has made to His Saints. Read with extreme caution. Also Witness Lee. They do believe that we are body soul and spirit. But in the truth of those points,distort many biblical principles. Example:God did not give you a spirit of fear, but of Love, Peace and a sound mind. Many of their teachings are mind disturbing, and the power of suggestion is dangerous.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/06|
Watchman Nee is probably the greatest Chinnesse Evanglist of the past century. (do some of you people not even look things up before you comment.)
---Jared on 11/2/06|
Donna2277 ... there is also the one who still seems to call herself just Donna, and now you have added yet another .... Doona (just joking!)
I think John T alwasys signs himself as that, but I suspect there may be several other Johns.
---alan_of_uK on 3/21/06|
Well, at least you know of 2 Donnas. There is Doona R and Donna2277. I'm sure that, being different people, we will say different things. I hear that the "Johns" here have the same kind of problem.
---Donna2277 on 3/20/06|
How many Donnas are there?
You all seem to say different things! Perhpas like DonnaR, the other or others could adopt a way of making us know which is which and who is writing?
---alan_of_uK on 3/20/06|
Donna, when you say, "Because I have the Spirit of Truth abiding in me." You sound much like Eloy. He is his own witness to the truth, and to others who disagree, he haughtilly dismisses outright.
Respectfully, your internal witness is not as reliable as Holy Spirit. Sometimes an "internal spirit" can be attributed more to a pepperoni pizza than to anything else.
We are never the measure of God, nor truthfulness; He is both.
---John_T on 3/20/06|
I am the Donna who started my response with He is the most profound teacher. How can I say that with such assurance? Because I have the Spirit of Truth abiding in me, the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus promised to send to us in John Chapter 14:17. Jesus said "Thy word is truth" in John Chapter 17. The prosperity gospel is FALSE. Jesus had no where to lay his head. He was born in a stable. Properity is a FALSE gospel.
---DonnaR on 3/20/06|
Moderator, Watchman Nee was never ever a prosperity preacher nor a Word of Faith preacher. What do you mean by Word of Faith Preacher? Do you mean the name it and claim it preachers? That's such hogwash teachings, and I agree with you, if Watchman Nee was that, he would have been considered a false teacher. If you've never read any of Watchman Nee's books, please do. Practical Issues of this Life is a good one to start with.
Moderator - Yes, prosperity gospel, name it and claim it or Word of Faith are all the same.
---Donna on 3/20/06|
Just did a little research. Watchman Nee would, today, be called a pentecostal.
Witness Lee, however, is leader of a group called "the Local Church" which is considered a cult.
---Donna on 3/17/06|
Watchman Nee was no prosperity preacher. He spent much time in Chinese prisons for preaching the Gospel. He died a martyr's death at the hands of the Communists in 1950. His books are small, simply written but not easy reading because they are profound. I could find nothing radical, let alone unbiblical, in his writings. Watchman Lee, however, a supposed associate of his may not be doctrinally sound. I do not know.
---Donna on 3/17/06|
Moderator-- I'm not the author of the blog that starts out, "Watchman Nee was the most profound.." My blog agrees but warns of false teachers that try to claim some relationship to Him
---Donna on 3/17/06|
Watchman Nee was far from a prosperity preacher. He spent much time in Chinese prisons for preaching the solid Gospel truth in his own country of China. His books are short, simply worded but not easy reading, as they are profound. Copies are a bit hard to come by, as he has been dead quite awhile. CAUTION. There have been imposters who try to confuse people e.g. a "Watchman LEE".
---Donna on 3/17/06|
As far as I'm aware, he was not into the propsperity gospel, which for the most part is a western concept, and has never cught well in the areas where they are more concerned with living then properity.
He was Chinese, lived around the 1950's, and preached an uncompromising gospel of repentance and adherance to the word.
---mike6553 on 3/17/06|
There's a wealth of data on line regarding the spurious, dangerous & radically unbiblical doctrines of Nee.
---Leon on 3/17/06|