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Prayer For Abdul Rahman

A man called Abdul Rahman is facing the death penalty in Afghanistan for converting to Christianity. Let us pray for him. I picked this on the news. Its a matter of urgency.

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In the light of this atrocity against a Christian, I ask myself if the Allies who "freed" the women persecuted in Afghanistan should ever have made their scarifice to begin with? Yes it's good the women and others have it better but Muslims seem to have a need to dominate,dictate, and persecute the weaker. That isn't what all the Allies died for. If Afghans are going right back to their old ways it's time to quit and pull out. Allies can't fight religious fanatics,it's a losing battle.
---Darlene_1 on 12/10/07

This man was allowed to leave Afghanistan some weeks ago and is living in Italy now, I believe.
---Jack on 5/12/06

I have been working in this Muslim Community for 30 years. NO CHRISTIAN was beheaded because a Muslim has declared Jihad against a Christian because of religion! In another blog I was saying that all these troubles are just "politics". The "fear of Jihad", the fear that is install amongst us is made a deterrent for any action that a Christian government would do against the Muslim population!

But I accept that there are terrorists! And these terrorists are our enemies!
---Linda6546 on 4/9/06

Quran 9:29 "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God... and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth."

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore, strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. This is because they acted adversely to Allah and his messenger (Quran 8:12)

Nothing like these in our Bible
---John_T on 4/1/06

#2 Linda-- It's childish to dispute who started a conflict of centuries, but it's naive to think that either side is blameless. Also, Linda, please realize that the term Christian has several meanings. Many who call themselves Christian just mean they are not Jewish, Hindu, Muslim etc. So whoever attacked your country, it may not have been Christians as you and I understand it. I appreciate your compassion for those who have suffered and your desire to understand both sides.
---Donna2277 on 4/1/06

#1, Linda--You have said the we "have to understand why they hated and resisted us Christians". I would say that they also have to understand why Christians have been so hostile. I don't mean average peaceful citizens, Im talking about Muslim leaders and imams that STILL teach that those who refuse Islam should be beheaded and have done that hundreds of times. Could you have been beaten into accepting Christ? How can one expect be-headings to cause no retaliation?
---Donna2277 on 4/1/06

Part 3. John_T: We can do it by going into the root causes of the Muslim - Christian conflict. We have to understand why they hated and resisted us, Christians. If we are going to be blinded by our fears, then we would just be loosing the great commission given us!
---Linda6546 on 3/31/06

Part 2. John_T: As what educators must do, we have to open their minds first. If their minds are closed, then it would just be a waste telling them about Christ. They have "their own way of life" that works even with out us, Christians! In other words, if we want them too see how important Christ is, then we have to make them feel important.
---Linda6546 on 3/31/06

Part 1. John_T: Things are easier said than done. I am a Christian, and I believe what you have just said. But working here in a Muslim territory made me realize that it is not easy to change views/beliefs. We have to look into the totality of the person in relation to his culture and society. We could not just say to a Muslim that he won't be saved unless he would accept Christ!
---Linda6546 on 3/31/06

John T.-- I usually agree with you. I agree that truth telling is important to evangelism, But MOST essential is the TRUTH of the Word of God. It's tempting to get into arguments (often encouraged by unbelievers) that lend nothing to the cause of evangelism. e.g. I recently moved to the South where some still want to "fight" the Civil War. But discussing the Civil War is pointless. They will believe what they believe. If my main concern is the Gospel, I don't start out debating slavery.
---Donna2277 on 3/31/06

The point of apologetics is truth telling for the sake of evangelism.

That is why there are some points on this site that I hammer, and others that I ignore.

All people need to come to a saving knowledge of Christ, and some who are saved need to see the falseness of their denomination's history & theology.
---John_T on 3/30/06

John--I agree. Muslim beliefs and violance are what ignited the crusades.And they have't changed.
But, regardless, I can't say that Christians have "never" caused harm to Muslims. Muslims may hold a grudge for 7 CENTURIES, but I'm more concerned with the present. Someone who has been taught a one sided view of history all their lives, is not going to change their views because of any thing I say. That debate could go on and on ad infinitem..for what?
---Donna2277 on 3/30/06

2006 WorldNetDaily.c

As attention focused on an Afghan Christian convert who faced the death penalty for his conversion, Algeria quietly passed a law that punishes anyone who persuades a Muslim to leave his faith, with up to five years in prison, and banishes house churches

Yeah, it is a peaceful religion.
---John_T on 3/30/06

You are saying there are no Muslims in Italy?
---John_T on 3/30/06

Yes, Ulrika, Abdul Rahman is the one who sought refuge in Italy.

Thanks God he's now out of danger.
---A_Catholic on 3/30/06

ooops! I meant convert (not covert) convert or die, I should have said.
---Donna2277 on 3/30/06

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Donna: By definition, war is always a blood bath. The ones who started it deserve the blame.

Convert or die is the message given to AR, and it is still illegal to change from being a Muslim in many countries.

Thus Islam remains an obdurate blood-thirsty religion
---John_T on 3/30/06

John T--Between the Muslims "covert and kill" and the Christian attempts to rescue the Holy Land, it was a bloodbath all around. My comments have been mainly in amazement that what happened 7 or so centuries ago is like yesterday to militant Muslims. .Unfortunately, Bush, in one of his early speeches, chose his words poorly to call the war on terrorism a "crusade".
---Donna2277 on 3/29/06

Is Abdul Rahman the one, who was given asylum in Italy?
---Ulrika on 3/29/06

Those who forget history get facts mixed up, often repeating the same errors.

The Crusades were due to the Muslims taking over Jerusalem and offering a choice: convert or die.

Thus they were religious wars to restore freedom in the "Holy Land" where none existed under the rule of the Muslims.

Their aim has NOT changed, but their tactics do. That is why Islam is such an intransigent religion. They still believe in "convert or die". Current events prove that.
---John_T on 3/29/06

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Elder ... it is not only MacD ... KFC is as bad, and Miss Milly's and many more. I am pleased though to see that MacD are making some effort to make the burgers healthier
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/06

Donna: There were 7 ot 8 Crusades over a period of 300- 600(?) years. Each had a coalition of Western European countries.

Too much detail for 85 words. Enter "crusades" in a search engine.
---John_T on 3/29/06

Alan I understand you but I am sure that Ol' Ronald McDonald is going to be angry wuth you because you said it is a matter of taste.
---Elder on 3/29/06

Elder & others .... I do understand that MacDonalds and many other fast food outlets are franchise operations. The fact that MacD is American controlled was not the basis of my objection to them. It was more a matter of taste.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/06

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Who fought the Muslims during the crusades? And why do the Muslims blame the Christians to this day?
---Donna2277 on 3/29/06

Who fought the Muslims during the crusades? And why do the Muslims blame the Christians to this day?
---Donna2277 on 3/29/06

Those who forget history get facts mixed up, often repeating the same errors.

The Crusades were due to the Muslims taking over Jerusalem and offering a choice: convert or die.

Thus they were religious wars to restore freedom in the "Holy Land" where none existed under the rule of the Muslims.

Their aim has NOT changed, but their tactics do. That is why Islam is such an intransigent religion. They still believe in "convert or die". Current events prove that.
---John_T on 3/29/06

I am wondering if Abdul would live peacefully after the case against him was dropped. My college-mates have to run and live somewhere to assure their safety. Zealots abound! Let us continue praying for Abdul!
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

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In the late 70's, another Maranao Muslim guy was converted to Christianity in the University where we attended. He has to leave the place and he transfered to a theological seminary of the SDA's. He is now a Seventh Day Adventist pastor somewhere in Hawaii. The same with the earlier Maranao lady, they are afraid of the zealots. To make them safe, they have to leave the place.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

But I wish to tell all bloggers that such a threat to Abul's life is true. In the 70's a Maranao Muslim girl was converted to Christianity in the University where we attended. No one in the family knew of the event until she graduated college. She left the place and she's now in the US. The immediate family understood her plight. But they are more afraid of the zealots. She was a Bible teacher when she was still with us in the metropolis of Manila.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

You are right Donna! Such history has been inculcated in the Muslim populace. No one forgets pain. If survival of a tribe is at stake, then all efforts would be pooled to assure continuity of a race. This is not a characteristic solely owned by Christians. All human beings are gifted with this instinct! Even lower forms of animals knows when they are in grave danger.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

Thank you, Donna and "A Catholic", for your responses.
I wish to say this to all bloggers, studying in this Muslim area, I found Christ, and I understand what Christianity is all about. Working in this Muslim area after graduation made me understand the reasons for the Muslims' resistance. I also understand your reasons for fearing them. I fear them too. But I also understand why they have to fight back.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

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What you say makes sense Daphne. True Catholics believe in the Virgin birth etc as you stated and we believe in these truths as much as the most staunch Christians on ChristiaNet.
---A_Catholic on 3/28/06

Linda--The Muslims have been badly treated by Christians...especially in the crusades of 1210 (some 7 or 8 centuries ago). What happened 100 yrs ago in the Phillipines, I'm not sure. All religions require a certain amount of money to function,including Islam! I'm sorry if your people felt somehow defiled by American business. Why did they not reject this evil known as "business"?
---Donna2277 on 3/28/06

A_Catholic, your response and then follow up made me laugh. I wondered about the smiley at the end of the first. Yes, we must not assume that if we perceive error in a denomination that all in it are unsaved. Let us agree on the primary - Jesus' virgin birth, sinless life, death on the cross, resurrection from the dead, and His position as the Son - and part of the Godhead. If our hearts are bent toward Him, He certainly can sort out the rest.
---daphn8897 on 3/28/06

Linda, I would pray for anyone who is in trouble even if s/he is an atheist. My remark was half joking and half as a nudge to those who claim that we, Catholics, are not Christians which is a grave insult to me and others who are Catholics.
---A_Catholic on 3/28/06

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There are still chilling aspects to this story:
1) There still remains a fatwa calling for his death, as proscribed by the law code in the Qu'ran. He is now an outcast, subject to vigilante actions by the zealous.
2) He has been declared too "mentally incompetent" to stand trial. He could be confined to a mental instutution for the rest of his life on that.

Let's not gloat, but continue to pray. The fat lady hasn't sung on this one, yet.
---John_T on 3/28/06

The response of "A Catholic" simply jolted me! Is CN filled with sectarian Christianity? Who are Christians then? Why do we have to stop praying for Abdul Rahman after knowing he is a Catholic? Is the color of religion more important than a human life? "A Catholic" I need your thoughts on the above questions.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

I would like also to comment on the line of thought pursued by Allan, Elder and Donna. Christianity that came into my country is also colored with "business". Christianity is not free from the "smell" of money attached to any organized religion.
---Linda_6546 on 3/28/06

Darlene 1: I wanted to say that foreigners who came to my country and subdued us are known to be Christians! Yet, they have done somethings which we now frown at. If you are asking why the Muslims are resisting change, then we have to understand that they had been victims in the past. They were victimized by Christians! We also have to understand that they were able to survive because they fought the "invaders". Thus, it is already in their system to fight for their own survival.
---Linda6546 on 3/28/06

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I was being sarcastic since many here don't accept Catholics as being Christians :))

Thanks God that he is now free.
---A_Catholic on 3/27/06

Darlene 1: Thank you for saying that "Jesus be with you!" But I wish to react to your statements: I am answering the way I answered you days ago because the history of my country, especially the history of Muslim Filipinos, point to the facts that Maranao Muslims and Muslims from Jolo, Sulu were being massacred by American troops during the early 1900.
---Linda_6546 on 3/27/06

Danie9374: Thank you for putting those points for "clarification". Sometimes I felt that we, Christians, who are having fears of the "Muslim extremists" are also doing what this "mis-aligned" people are doing. I would just like to say that crimes in a Christian area are done by people who believes they are Christians!
---Linda6546 on 3/27/06

I don't care if this man is RC or not. He must have something REAL to have had such courage. He knew he was risking death and he did not recant. When he says he's a Christian,I believe him! We should pray for him and others that are willing to stand against the false god of Islam.
---Donna2277 on 3/27/06

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CHARGES DROPPED ... allah did not do that one! Praise God!
---Nellah on 3/27/06

A Catholic, I don't know if you are a brother or a sister, but I am very perturbed by your last post. "Stop praying for Abdul Rahman since he is a Catholic"
I sense a true lack of charity, when we should be praying for people in trouble regardless of the state of their soul. Have I been wasting my time all these years praying for relatives, friends and others in need?
My friend, I think you also need prayer.
---Margaretj on 3/27/06

We absolutely should pray for RCs!
We should pray for this man and all RCs that they will receive salvation through Jesus alone, and not try through all the false doctrines of the RCC!
---NVBarbara on 3/27/06

Can't we pray for Catholics?
---Donna2277 on 3/27/06

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Stop praying for Abdul Rahman because he converted into a Catholic and not a Christian!!!! :))
---A_Catholic on 3/27/06

3/27/06 WorldNetDaily

The Afghan man facing a possible death sentence for converting from Islam to Christianity scored a victory today when a court in Kabul dismissed the case against him.

Under mounting pressure from countries including the United States to free Abdul Rahman, officials cited a lack of evidence in their decision to drop the case.
---John_T on 3/27/06

My pastor shared today in church. And we prayed. How marvelous that to this man Jesus is far more important than his own life. I pray there is a outpouring of His Spirit on that country - that even by this one man's example, many would believe.
---daphn8897 on 3/26/06

Alan, it just occured to me that in the UK perhaps you do not have franchises. The restaurants themselves are not owned by McDonalds. Each store is bought by an individual owner/operator. McD charges them a fee for use of the name and products. They must use only McD products and prepare each food item by detailed instructions. The business owner gets advertising, a proven product and business advice from experts. McD has uniformity that way; and the business owner gets the profits.
---Donna2277 on 3/26/06

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Alan, McDonalds is a franchise operation, which would almost certainly mean that the McD there owned by an Afgan who, of course, hires Afgan workers. To me that's not bad at all.
---Donna2277 on 3/26/06

PRAISE GOD.I'm sure there were Christians praying for him from all over the world.
---Donna2277 on 3/26/06

I have just read on Yahoo news that Abdul Rahman is to be released soon because of lack of evidence. I think the evidence that we now have is that God answers prayer.
---M.P. on 3/26/06

Alan "Big Mac" building there is good because we are able to see that Big Marketing and Business think there is hope to make money there and are willing to invest.
No one will ever change anything if they are not given the chance.
---Elder on 3/26/06

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Oh, but if found "crazy" he's set free? I pray this man is spared from islam death sentence and I pray we all will stand for Jesus in the face of death. Abdul Rahman is a true inspiration for all of us!
---Nellah on 3/26/06

Alan--respectfully disagree about "stoking" them up. It's like saying don't add twigs to a forest fire. Before we took any action at all, they hated us enough to kill thousands of our innocent civilians. (Do you think if Tony Blair had talked more "kindly", they would not have bombed your underground?) It isn't just America they hate, but all westerners since we are all infidels.
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06

Just to clarify a point. I did not mean we should "occupy" Afganistan and stay indefinitely. But I don't think we should just wash our hands of the whole thing. Could leave just a few troops to remind them we haven't forgotten.
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06

Elder ... yuo say "They now have McDonalds ect" Is that really a good thing?!! And I am not sure that it is necessarily good that US business is buliding up there. The British in the time of Empire exploited other people's, and shifted the profits back home. The US were among others who rightly said this was a bad thing. I hope America does not follow down the same wrong course that the British Empire took
---alan_of_UK on 3/25/06

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Alan,you're right,Osama can holeup anywhere. Enmity began silently in the 1960's-70's-80's and was revealed by Iranian students posters/writing on walls where they rented while attending college here. They came over found American women to marry. At College One in his 30's even made overtures to me in my 40's, I quickly told him I was married. The sentiments left on walls were antiAmerican,they were up to no good, people looked upon them with distain. When mission acomplished most dumped the wives.
---Darlene_1 on 3/25/06

I have been able to see and talk to many soldiers who have been in the war zone. One young man had an IED blow up in his face and did much damage to him. After surgery and much rehab he told me that he cannot wait to get back over there because we are making a difference. There is Spiritual renewing going on. US business is building there. They now have McDonalds ect. Ever soldier I have spoke to at Ft. Lee Virginia says the same thing. The News Media will not tell you these things.
---Elder on 3/25/06

A problem with this is that Osama and his men can operate from anywhere, and there is no point in occupying Afganistan if he is no longer there. No foreigners have ever succeeded in occupying that country, the British, Russians and others have failed.
By taking all this action in Islamic countries, are we just stoking up the enmity towards us?
---alan_of_UK on 3/25/06

Donna2277, you make a good and valid point. To remain in Afghanistan means the USA will go deeper,deeper into debt which will eventually cripple our Nation. Only if their presence is still doing the job they went there for should they stay. The USA is trying to cut money to programs here which hurts our people,some of them men,women, who fought in other wars or their spouses. That isn't right. When you take from your own people for other countries,no matter how great other countries needs, it is wrong.
---Darlene_1 on 3/25/06

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Clarification?: It's very important to see there's a minimum of at least two separate 'threads of ideas' here: 1) How we as _Christians_ should act towards individuals who are not... a)And are peaceful, b)Want to kill us! and 2) How our GOV/country (which we just happen to live in) should act towards countries/groups... esp. those who seek to destroy it. Sometimes we agree, at times very fuzzy; other times we clearly do *not* agree. Just want everyone to keep this in mind for these types of discussions.
---danie9374 on 3/25/06

Darlene 1-- You say our prescence in Afganistan "has produced little results lately". True we didn't get Osama and we aren't likely to "reform" any Muslim extremists. But we don't truly KNOW all the results of our actions there. The terrorists were emboldened by 9/11. They had (I should say, HAVE) plans for a repeat of some kind in the US. How we've forstalled that I don't know, but we may need to keep a prescence in Afganistan for some time to come.
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06

Danie9374. Not sure what prompted some of these remarks, but there is a false belief, quite popular now, that the "Church" has taken the place of "Israel" in God's plan. It's called Replacement Theology.
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06

Wonder how many of us Christians, living where Christianity is relatively easy, would take a stand like Abdul Rahman. It's possible that someday WE might have to choose Jesus or death. God is no respecter of persons.
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06

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Danie9374,point is no matter what outside intervention there may be in Muslim counries unless the people there are willing to end their warlike ways there will never be peace. I never said USA should bomb, kill them, but they also cannot help any country whose laws are an expression of their religious fanatism. Who kill their own people without blinking. Not sure what you mean USA not Israel. God never changes He still hates murder. Not Allies place to change Muslims ,Muslims must change themselves.
---Darlene_1 on 3/24/06

Darlene, USA is *not* Israel; we're post New Testament, not OT 'political age'. USGOV will do what leaders decide whether it's Biblical or not; we can only protest/vote on such issues (better than living elsewhere though, right?!). Things ARE slowly changing in Afghanistan, but Adbul may be stuck in jail (or mental ward) for long time! Do you think these places would ever change if USA did nothing but bomb them? Changes in "thought" don't result from us being silent or simply killing them.
---danie9374 on 3/24/06

Linda6546,that is interesting,but it doesn't change the fact that Muslims do exactly what I said,and that is probably their reason for not wanting the outside world to come in and see what they do or change their way of life. Certainly the warlike nature of killing each other off,stronger persecuting the weaker,one religious faction against another, and Barbaric methods of torture show they are far from civilized. They practice much evil under the guise of Religion. Jesus be with you.
---Darlene_1 on 3/24/06

Darlene: I am a Christian working in a Muslim area. Your statement: "but Muslims seem to have a need to dominate,dictate, and persecute the weaker" simply are the very words uttered by most of the Muslims who felt that "foreign intervention and manipulation" are trying to disturb their ways of life!
---Linda6546 on 3/23/06

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Danie9374, I hope they didn't die for nothing. The original purpose of being in Afghanistan was to destroy terrorist, to try to protect America and other Countries. My point; since that reason has produced little results lately perhaps it is time to get out. I'm not even sure God would agree with Christian Nations fighting for a country that will kill them because they won't renounce Christianity for Islam. God destroyed countries who didn't accept His ways in the OT,how much more if rejecting Christ?
---Darlene_1 on 3/23/06

Pardon to all: In this case I should *not* have said 'more conservative' (too used to living in the USA I am!), but rather, let's call it: 'More democratic' or more concerned about freedom and 'religious rights' than conserving the old ideas of the Taliban and the 'political portions' of Islamic law!
---danie9374 on 3/22/06

Darlene, that would mean that soldiers who died there did so for nothing! Also, better to exert whatever political pressure we can right now on a government Afghan people hope becomes more conservative (as does Abdul!), than to leave! As Mike wrote, the Islamic religion's strict interpretation teaches "death to all NON-Muslims!" PERL HARBOR (and more recently '911') shows 'hiding from world problems' is never the answer!
---danie9374 on 3/22/06

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