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Benefit Of Speaking In Tongues

What's the benefit of speaking in tongues?

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Part 2 Lupe, just for your information. You lift these two Scriptures out of a passage spoken by Jesus to His disciples and say that this part has passed away. However, do you believe that "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel" has passed away? Or how about "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned"?
---Linda on 11/25/07


Bruce, if Paul hadn't started that statement with "I thank my God", there is no telling what those carnal folks would have thought. I believe every word inspired of the Spirit is relevant and when he began that sentence with "I thank my God", he was attempting to bring their focus away from the gift and to the Giver. After all, they were so proud of their gift but here was a man who used it more than any of them, yet he boasts in God. What a trooper :)
---Linda on 3/28/06


Was Paul being prideful when he said:

1 Corinthians 14:18, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:"
or
1 Corinthians 14:5, "I would that ye all spake with tongues,"
Yes, I know he goes on to say that prophecy is better, but, that does not negate the statement "I would that ye all spake with tongues,"
---Bruce5656 on 3/28/06


As for edifying self, Jude talks about that. How can you edify others if you are not edified? An empty vessel has nothing to pour out. That principle is seen where Paul tells the Corinthians in 2 Cor.5, "We have been given the ministry of reconciliation. Be reconciled to God!" You won't be very effective in ministering reconciliation if you yourself are not convinced you are yourself reconciled. You won't be very effective in edification of others if you are not edified yourself.
---Linda on 3/28/06


The grace of God had been taken as a license to sin. Misuse of that main gift will result in the misuse of all other gifts. When we grow up, that doesn't happen any more. I still like DoryLory's response some pages back explaining the difference between pride and confidence and how humility is the result of understanding that none of us deserved anything we have been given.
---Linda on 3/28/06




And we all start out as babies in Christ so to say you have never misused anything would be a lie. Lupe, your stand on predestination being God choosing certain people to save and then exerting His control over them could sound very prideful to someone who is not yet born again. Look at what else the Corinthians were doing besides using the gifts of the Spirit improperly. They were also using the gift of salvation improperly. There was fornication going on and they were all proud of it.
---Linda on 3/28/06


When we receive the "gift" of salvation, are we not told to tell others about it? Does telling others about it mean we are full of pride and God is the author of our sin? Paul told his story yet the one who got the glory was God. It is the same with all other gifts. It is people who turn gifts into things they were never meant to be turned into. Immature folks will do that.
---Linda on 3/28/06


When God gives a gift, He does not give the gift so that we are prideful. It would make Him the cause for our sin. When someone has a gift, they don't go around telling everyone they have it. The gift of been a servent, or the gift of giving, or the gift of healing, this people are not proud people, they just do what God has given them because it serves a purpose for God, not for themselves. That is not what is happening now in the church.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06


Thank you John T. for the advice. I will leave this one alone. There was no benefit for me on it at all. Thank you too Dory for your response to me.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06


3. This is the evidence of what this topic does when it is discussed with people that believe in it. People that have it think they are more spiritual then others the way Bruce explained on another blog. Go ahead and put me down more, if you like, it is your right to do whatever you want.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06




2. you expect everyone to feel what you do and see what you see but it is not that way at all. We have studied this subject over and over and I have heard from many here on line and I too have my opinions. I gave them to you and you got mad. The more I put down the more you got mad. Now I have seen your answers on other blogs and they seem so great, why are you changing you tone to me is only because I don't agree with you.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06


Linda, when you started this debating you were talking very Godly, then you went from there to not. Now I answered you in kind words everytime. I don't agree with you and your reasons. I have a right to not agree. It seems if people don't agree with tongues they are damned for some reason. I did tell Eloy we still should have fellowship, disagreeing does not break a family. You might think it does but I don't. Now He disfellowship from many here and its his right to do what he wants. And you do too.
---Lupe2618 on 3/28/06


The tone of the title of the thread bothers me greatly.

It is asking if there is personal benefit to any of the spiritual gifts. As such, it is akin to car shopping, and that is grieving Holy Spirit.

He gives the gifts to build up the church, and to glorify Christ, not to be considered as a mere commodity, benefiting this person or that person.

When we get the purpose of all spiritual gifts straight, then all else falls in place.
---John_T on 3/28/06


Jen and Lupe, maybe no benefit for YOU, (maybe you dont even speak in tongues)BUT for me, my spirit prays thus,in this unknown tongue,a God given gift to pray to God,we can pray with the Spirit or the understanding..it is a 2 way gift to edify the church or ourselves..there are many, many benefits, for all, if they desire this from God.
---karin on 3/28/06


Cor.14;this covers all the benefits, purpose & reasons of speaking in tongues,it is God given ,not to be rejected, but encouraged for all to seek and desire.It is also a sign of God's seal, Eph1;13. God gave for the Church as a body, and individuals,for prophecy and edification.
---Karin on 3/28/06


"So spiritual, now I know what all that spirit does, bring more division. Not good at all. The evidence of how this tongue really works."

Hmmmm....some other "spirit" now...and you aren't the one who has it. It's everybody else. That's convenient. One more time....the original question was answered fairly quickly. Then there began to be feedback about how tongues edify the church and non-believers. That is valid feedback and worthy of being answered
---Linda on 3/27/06


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However, when you were reminded that no one on this blog was either saying that tongues edified the church or unbelievers and that no one on the blog was saying that tongues made anyone more saved or "spiritual", you kept coming back with those questions and implications. That is why this blog is so long. Every time you came back with the "how does it edify the church", you had to be pointed back to the fact that no one had said it.
---Linda on 3/27/06


There never was any division as you say or believe. I still believe you are a brother in Christ and in Christ, there is no division. In one blog, you told Eloy that we all have fellowship and relationship because we are in the One despite our disagreements. Your most recent responses seem to contradict that simply because you are seeing division when there is only disagreement or misunderstanding.
---Linda on 3/27/06


You consider yourself a "have-not". No one has called you that but you. And don't forget that, just because you have seen it all, it doesn't mean it wasn't valid. Interested in my testimony there? Contact me at linda6563 and I will send you a link to it. Actually, Lupe, what I would like to hear from you on this blog is your personal testimony. Hearing where you came from may help us all to understand some things.
---Linda on 3/27/06


"A person can talk about God all day long in many ways."

Yes Lupe, you are absolutely right. You have talked a lot about God. I have given you testimony *of* God in my life and you reject it. Your profile says you like to hear other's testimonies. Why? So you can question them?
---Linda on 3/27/06


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"Good for the one's that have it. Bad for the ones that don't."

You are the only one saying that. No one else here has.
---Linda on 3/27/06


3. I was also careful I didn't say anything to offend her. I said I could not answer to all because in her comments there was a lot of different things involve and I could not handle all of them, and Oh, I got it from all conners, sorry me for asking or saying anything. So spiritual, now I know what all that spirit does, bring more division. Not good at all. The evidence of how this tongue really works. Good for the one's that have it. Bad for the ones that don't.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


2. From casting our demons to speaking in tongues to believing in the another Holy Spirit or another level that only a few can go to. I have seen people fall down and people receiving Christ every Sunday. So all that is not new to me. Linda says, the prove is when I ask if it was from God. I believe a lot of it is not from God. Authenticity was always the norm for the early Church, a lot of false doctrines, just like now. So I asked a simple question.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


I should have figured she was using symbolism. Wow. Thank you Dory. When she started she was convincing me that her relationship was real and all those things, and then I got her answers to me and that changed my convincing. A person can talk about God all day long in many ways. I come from a Pentecostal Church and have seen everything there. From many different people.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


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Thank you NVBarbara. Although I often use Word to type responses for cutting/pasting, I never thought to undersline or italicize the words. Just never thought it would show up on the site in that format. Thanks again.
---Linda on 3/27/06


I'll reply for now since it looks as if Jeffrey isn't around, I hope its ok with him.
CN has no 'buttons' for italics or underlining. If you write your blog on Word, you can use an Italic font, or underline. Then paste it here on the blogs.
---NVBarbara on 3/27/06


There is no benefit.
---Jen on 3/27/06


The snake and poison verses have been misrepresented just like the "tongues" have. It never fails when people don't believe in something they dance around the truth of the matter with everything they can think of. Jesus Christ ask the Father for the promise of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost,the Book of Acts is the handbook of God's pattern of how HG is to be received, with tongues. Jesus never came back to change any of it,changing was done by man. How can anyone deny this Gift from God?
---Darlene_1 on 3/27/06


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Lupe, Linda is using symbolism. It's a legitimate way to use scripture to teach scripture. Jesus used symbolism everytime He said, "The kingdom of heaven is like ...." and He would use an example from earth to help the people understand heaven. 1 Corinthians 10:11 says that the experiences of the Israelites were written down as examples and warnings to us. Many times we can use those experiences and examples from the O.T. to help explain N.T. truths.
---DoryLory on 3/27/06


The original question here was, "What is the *benefit* of speaking in tongues?"

The answer is:

*personal* edification
intercession

That's all. Nothing in there about edification of other believers or non-believers. Just those two benefits. There has been more said in regards to whether tongues edifies other believers or non-believers than is absolutely necessary simply because the *original question* was answered almost immediately.
---Linda on 3/27/06


Being that I speak in tongues, I would like to say this: It's the 9th gift of the Holy Spirit. Not everyone gets this gift. I believe I got it because I am an intercessor. There is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in the Spirit. Speaking in tongues is for edification and uplifting and must be in line with what God's word says. Paul said: "At all times, pray in the Spirit." That is different than speaking in tongues. Praying in the Spirit is described in Romans 8.
---Donna9759 on 3/27/06


part 3...but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Now that I feel I have adequately answered your questions regarding "how can I prove it (what I have seen and heard of Him)", I rest in peace. I don't have to prove anything. The relationship speaks for itself. God bless.
---Linda on 3/27/06


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part 2 Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

2Co 3:2 Ye are our epistle (book) written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle (book) of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink,.....
---Linda on 3/27/06


"Now you tell me, how can you prove to me or others that what you saw was real or not?

You just proved it, Lupe. "If you be the son/daughter of God....." *prove it* Sounds like temptation to me. At least I haven't asked you to prove you are saved. How do you even know that Paul was really knocked off his horse and heard a voice no one else heard? Because it is Scripture? Well, here ya go:
---Linda on 3/27/06


In answer to the question above, There is no benefit for the church in speaking in tongues.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


PART ONE:
Lupe,
"Since you believe that the gifts are all for now, do you drink Poison? You should and live if it was given to them then. You see, you want everything that happen then to happen now."
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


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PART TWO:
**What??** Do you really believe they drank poison and handled snakes deliberately? Since the only way your comment makes any sense, is, if you believe that to be the case, I find it hard understand why you would even say such a thing.
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


PART THREE:
You criticized Linda for spiritualizing the passage. To be sure, there is a lot of truth in what she has said in general. However, spiritual truths aside, in this case, I believe that response to be inappropriate as it only serves to cloud the issue.
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


PART FOUR:
The first application of the passage is most certainly literal and does not need any spiritualization to deal with your question. It simply speaks of the protection of God on their (our) lives as they (we) go about the business of His Kingdom.

What happened to Paul is a prime example. No spiritualization necessary to understand that he was the King's business, was bitten by a poison snake, and suffered no ill effects.
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


PART FIVE:
The idea of handling snakes today or drinking poison (people do that??) is most certainly "tempting God" as Jesus used the phrase. He was tempted to put himself in harm's way to prove God's protection and he responded " Matthew 4:7, "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


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2. I have learned one thing today and that is, that tongues is not an issue we should dicuss, instead of helping, all it does is divide even more. Blessings in your walk Linda, end of subject for me. Not even worth discussing.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


I have given you at least three testimonies of my relationship with my Father and you dismiss them as though they are unimportant or invalid. I am finished and you now get the break you so desire.
---Linda on 3/27/06


Before Paul preached the gospel to any man, he gave his experience, his testimony. People glorified God in him because of it. Before he wrote an epistle explaining the person and work of Christ, he opened his mouth to others about how the living God appeared to him in light, knocked him off his horse, and spoke to him in a voice no one else heard. Sounds strange, doesn't it. Not even he understood any of it until the scales came off his eyes when he was filled with the Spirit.
---Linda on 3/27/06


As a matter of fact, that serpent handling thing is being put into application right now because your dismissal of my relationship with Father and what He has spoken to me and shown me personally has the capacity to anger me. Instead I feel kind of sad that you don't know what I am talking about.
---Linda on 3/27/06


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I know my Father's voice and I know what He said to me regarding that heresy as poison. And I know where the Scripture came from. If you don't believe that, then there is no reason for me to continue. You are implying that my everyday relationship with Father has no validity and is false. However, I stand today in that same Word along with every other overcoming, darkness lifting Word He has ever spoken to me.
---Linda on 3/27/06


" Linda, ok, to the first Question, Of course I believe you are to go and preach the gospel. Now, that is a silly question."

Then you cannot remove verses 17 and 18 from verses 15 and 16 of Mark 16. They are joined by the word "and". If you believe that was a silly question, then I have to believe that it was silly of you to attempt to remove those two verses from everyday application.
---Linda on 3/27/06


Linda, again you get it wrong. I meant that what you put down had so many things to respond to. It was not about one subject. That was all. This tongue issue is always a problem that is why I believe it is not for the church as a whole. I will let you go on this subject and thank you for your input.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


"You write so much there is no way anyone can ever answer you correctly."

Strange response coming from someone who writes volumes himself. Must like for everybody to believe your volume and no one else to have any feedback. Despite the fact that you believe that I went on rabbit trails this time, I didn't. You are the one who brought up the serpents and the poison, not me. I just answered *your* question, which didn't have a thing to do with speaking in tongues.
---Linda on 3/27/06


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"How you added Luke into the picture is outside of me. The two do not connect in anyway."

Of course it doesn't connect for you. You are trying to use your own reasoning. What I said and the connection of those Scriptures came by the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him (Eph.1:17-23).
---Linda on 3/27/06


"I understand that you love Him so very much and just cannot help write as much as you can but you have to give the other person a break."

I will gladly give you a break.
---Linda on 3/27/06


" It was a long long explanation but it did not mention one part how it will help the church."

Helped the Moderator, so your assumption is false.
---Linda on 3/27/06


Jeffery, I would as Bruce, want to know how you do those things on the computer too. If you have time, send it to me on my email. I have tried to darkened the words I want to send or even underline them and cannot, sometimes I captitalize to show or bring out a word but that is not the way, thank you brother,
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


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Jeffery,
If you don't mind, I would certainly appreciate knowing how to make italics and underline for emphasis. It would change the character of these blogs if this were in common use by everyone. It is hard enough to get your point across in text form (vs, face-to-face) and that would be a great help.
My username is my mail address if you could send me the info please.
---Bruce5656 on 3/27/06


2. What makes your statement Authentic? You see, others might say something totally different and its their own revelation of a passage. Tongues cannot be proven but can only be felt by the one speaking them. So it does no good to prove that it is from God or not. We would have to take your word for it. There is many gifts right now been used by Christians. So many. All tongues has done is divide the church from the one's that do, to the one's that don't.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


Linda, ok, to the first Question, Of course I believe you are to go and preach the gospel. Now, that is a silly question. How you added Luke into the picture is outside of me. The two do not connect in anyway. What you do is grap other passages and try to make your point. Now let me say this, You say you were told by God that you hold the snake and all those things you said. That God made it clear to you. Now you tell me, how can you prove to me or others that what you saw was real or not?
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


2.You write so much there is no way anyone can ever answer you correctly. I will try to reread all of them again and then answer one at a time. Just be a little patient if you want to speak out on behalf of tongues. I have been told I could write a book, but when I do write alot it is to explain one topic only, from Scripture, and I understand it is hard to do it in one space or two. Thanks Linda
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


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Linda, you spiritualize everything. That is common in many churches now. You speak of holding the snake by the tail and just so much, and also how God told you to do things with poison. It was a long long explanation but it did not mention one part how it will help the church. Look Linda, don't misunderstand me, I know the passion you have for Christ. I understand that you love Him so very much and just cannot help write as much as you can but you have to give the other person a break.
---Lupe2618 on 3/27/06


"Moderator - "snake and poison Scriptures" Enlighting, never heard that explaination before which makes more sense than the other way people understand that scripture."

I believe Scripture interprets Scripture. There is no *new* revelation, only those things that have been there the whole time that needed to be unveiled. We have just never *seen* them because the eyes of our understanding had not been enlightened. Eph.1:17-23
---Linda on 3/27/06


Another lesson here: people may think you are not worth anything alive but don't get swollen up with pride when the beast hangs on your hand and you shake the beast off. Pride could be likened to the poison of all poisons. It kills you really fast. And it is the most subtle.
---Linda on 3/27/06


I am not talking literally here, using this in the context of what venomous beasts signify. Those people who saw the beast hang on Paul's hand went from believing he was a man that didn't deserve to live to believing he was a god. He was focused on a serpent on a pole. The result was protection from the poison of bitterness, anger, malice, etc. toward those people. Neither did he allow those people to bow down to him. Perfume can be just as poisonous as arsenic.
---Linda on 3/27/06


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Now that literally happened but the deeper truth of it is that when you take men's wood (their perishable works from the "religious" ship, their performance) and throw them in the fire of God's judgment, a venomous beast will rise up out of that fire and bite you. Man doesn't like to hear that his works apart from God are doomed for the fire. However, the beast can be shaken off and you won't be harmed.
---Linda on 3/27/06


Moderator~I was studying this last night while studying the tribe of Judah, Jesus being our heavenly Judah or the praise of God. As I was studying, the Holy Spirit began to bring out Scriptures that showed me not only what those things represented but also why people die who take them literally. In Acts, you find a story about Paul throwing some wood on a fire and a beast coming out of the fire and hanging on his hand. He was bitten but did not die. Just shook that thing off.
---Linda on 3/27/06


If you will look at Mark 16:15-18, you will see that verse 17 is joined to verse 16 by the word "and". That means you cannot chop that passage of Scripture up into little parts to suit yourself. If verses 15 and 16 are valid, then 17 and 18 are also not only because Jesus spoke them in commissioning the disciples but also because of that word "and". Call 17 and 18 irrelevant and you will have to call 15 and 16 irrelevant.
---Linda on 3/27/06


"do you believe that "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel" has passed away? Or how about "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned"?"

Lupe, for some reason a part of my response was missing. My fault most likely because I had to do a lot of copying and pasting. The part that is missing had to do with the sentence above.
---Linda on 3/27/06


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Linda, I'd be happy to but I'll need to send you a note. - jeffr5976
---Jeffrey on 3/27/06


"And perhaps I was a bit frustrated....it wasn't even considered, much less understood."

I am sorry you are a bit frustrated but, despite your judgment, I do consider what you and everybody else says...and I pray. Just because I still don't believe as you do does not mean you have not been considered. I am sorry if you believed you hadn't been. At this point, all we can do is be firmly convinced in our own minds and trust the Holy Spirit to give us understanding in all things.
---Linda on 3/26/06


" Paul said, if there be no interpreter let him keep silence in the church."

I never said to use it in "church". It use it in my time alone with God...and it is just as much the power of God coming upon me then and it would be if it were to be used in corporate settings. Not criticism, Jeffrey. Just refocus. I never said that it was to be used in a corporate setting.
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 10 That is why God was grieved with those in the wilderness. They did not mix the gospel with faith and did not enter into rest.
---Linda on 3/26/06


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Part 9 People look at those snake and poison Scriptures and explain away the deaths caused by them by saying, "Well, we shouldn't tempt the Lord our God." Well, that is true but true tempting of the Lord our God comes when we don't believe who we are in Christ or who Christ is in us and we "tempt" or grieve our Father by trying to prove who we are to others instead of knowing He is satisfied already because He has found Himself in us.

Moderator - "snake and poison Scriptures" Enlighting, never heard that explaination before which makes more sense than the other way people understand that scripture.
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 8 Instead, those things that signify the power of the enemy are dealt with daily by seeing the cursed beast hanging on a pole and the reign of Christ seated in the throne.
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 7 He had just come from being baptized in the Jordan River and hearing His Father say, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Jesus believed the Word of His Father and, since His Father was well pleased already, He had to do nothing to prove who He was. A man who believes does not have to prove himself. A man who has to prove himself does not believe. That is why I don't take those Scriptures "literally" as you believe.
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 6 If you will remember correctly, Jesus was led of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. The devil began every one of those temptations with, "If thou be the Son of God....." then he would tell Jesus to do something to prove it. Well, Jesus never did do anything to prove who He was.
---Linda on 3/26/06


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Part 5 Here, Luke defines exactly what a serpent and a scorpion represents. It is the power of the enemy. Christ in us has power and has given us power over that. Now, to answer your question about literal "snakes and poison". I believe that those who do that literally are motivated by nothing more than the need to prove who they are. Jesus said, "And these signs shall follow *them that believe*". If Jesus said that, then you can guarantee that true faith will result in no harm.
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 4 A look at the serpent on the pole deals not only with the serpents but also the poison they deposit so no matter how far you have fooled with the serpent or the scorpion, there is still life for a look (Numbers 5...the serpent on the pole). With that in mind, take a look at Luke 10:19. It says (paraphrased somewhat):

"Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over *all power of the enemy* and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
---Linda on 3/26/06


Part 3 Now, with that in mind, you ask, "What about snake handling and drinking poison?" Well, I explained to you in previous posts how Father spoke to me regarding the poison Scripture and also how, each day, I take up the serpent by the tail by looking at the serpent on the pole. Serpents and scorpions are both venomous beasts that deposit poison with their bites. Is it a coincidence that Jesus mentioned those two creatures and then mentioned drinking poision? No, it isn't.
---Linda on 3/26/06


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