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Warwick, No one has answered because no one can. YHVH bless you, for you are finding truth. If I may say this, I keep the commandments of YHVH because He said to, because Yahushua kept and upheld them. But I do not keep them thinking that my righteousness and works will get me to Heaven, thats impossible. I keep them because my faith is shown in keeping them. If I said I had faith yet broke YHVH's commands, what kind of faith would that be? Yahushua is my savior and only through Him will I see the Father. We cannot pick and choose what to follow. Once again YHVH bless you!!!!
---wayne on 8/19/09

We(Christians) are NOT led by the 10 commandments, we are led by the Spirit.
---duane on 8/19/09

Warwick, when I said conscience I was speaking from the passages in Romans chapter 14. Sorry you misunderstood me. The whole chapter is speaking to believers. Those who want to observe one thing and the other who doesn't. Let each be convinced in his own mind. One person esteems one day, another esteems every day alike, etc. after explaining the two, he says, Why do you judge your brother? For if we live we live for the Lord. In v. 14 "I know and am convince by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love.
---MarkV. on 8/19/09

Warwick 3:
Verse 16 says, "If you go to the last passages the word of God says, "Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith, for whatever is not of faith is sin." If both believers in this case follow their conscience, and they don't doubt they are both right and do not sin because what they are doing they are doing by faith in what their conscience believes. The chapter is speaking not only about eating and drinking but of observing a day. This chapter is call "The Law of Liberty"
---MarkV. on 8/19/09

//we cannot claim to be Christian if we continue to wilfully disobey 9 of them, so why can we disobey the Sabbath Commandment?

Totally ludicrous! Anyone that is familiar with the Scripture Romans 14 or with Church history, none of the early successors of the Apostles preached Sabbath keeping, should be able to see that there is no obligation whatever for Christians to observe any day. Those that say otherwise are unable to distinguish between the Old Covenant (obsolete Hebrews8), and the New Covenant of the church.

Sounds like old Warwick is a candidate for eating at the trough of Ellen White. Eck!
---Lee on 8/19/09

Exodus 31:17: "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

Deuteronomy 5:15: "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day."

Here are some questions, Are we the "children of Israel"?, Were our Gentile people servants in the land of Egypt?
Are we still eating crumbs from the Master's table?

According to my understanding, No, No and No.
---Nana on 8/18/09

Mark my conscience is not bothering me. I have been forgiven all my past sins by the grace of God via Jesus death and resurrection. As Scripture says- the wages of sin is death- and I accept (joyfully) that Jesus alone has paid my 'wages.' I feel God's approval upon my faith and my life, which still has a few 'rough edges' at times.

It is just a puzzle to which no one seems to have an answer.

Though we are not in any way saved by obedience to the 10 Commandments we cannot claim to be Christian if we continue to wilfully disobey 9 of them, so why can we disobey the Sabbath Commandment?

Sunday is not, never was the Sabbath because Saturday is the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week, while Sunday is the first day of the week.
---Warwick on 8/18/09

Ken - //Which means what? We can serve other gods now? Steal, murder, cheat on our spouse?

If you would go to a church that truly preaches the gospel and ask those who have a personal relation with Jesus, you would be told that new nature they received at their spiritual birth is the one they need follow.

Of course, the problem some have with that is that they do not have the Spirit of Christ within them, they truly need to law to reveal their ugly sinfulness.Rom. 8:9b

So, can Christians steal, murder, and cheat, etc.? Only if they chose to go against that new nature.

I surmise you may have a problem as any genuine Christian would know that.
---Lee on 8/18/09

If you are concerned about breaking the Sabbath commandment, you are still an adherent of the Old Covenant, not of the New Covenant of the Church as there is no obligation in the least for Christians to observe any day as holy.

However, Christians view Sunday as the Christian sabbath based on that tradition that the Apostles and their immediate successors established.

Romans 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.

Do those that 'esteem all days alike' in disobedience to the Lord? If you answered 'no', you got the correct answer.
---Lee on 8/18/09

Warwick, I didn't mean it to sound devious as you suggest. My question is no different then Wayne's only that he is a Sabbath-follower and I am not.
If your conscience tells you not to, you are doing the right thing. If your conscience is telling you to go, you would be going. So what I meant, you know the reason why others do not follow the Sabbath, and why others do.
Example, I came from the RCC. I followed what they taught. After I left, I looked at everything I did, and studied what I had been taught and what was in Scripture. After studying the word of God and the New Covenant, I came to the conclusion that many things they taught were true and others false. The studies on the law and grace helped me descide.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09

Mark, I find the issue a puzzle, but do not lose sleep over it. I have yet to see anyone explain why we are able to disobey just the Sabbath Commandment.

If a definitive answer has been provided, I missed it.

I do put Sunday aside to attend church, withdrawing from my usual activities. But Sunday isn't Saturday.

By saying I don't want an answer you are calling me devious at best. I prefer you don't do that.

Because of my work I have met many very sincere dedicated Christians of different denominations, in many nations. People saved by faith alone, by God's unmerited favour. They would consider it grevious sin to steal but calmly break the Sabbath Commandment.

If there is an answer please give it!
---Warwick on 8/18/09

Lee>>For the Christian there is only ONE - love of neighbor.

Which means what? We can serve other gods now? Steal, murder, cheat on our spouse?

---Ken_Rank on 8/18/09

Warwick- I know you do not follow the Sabbath, but yet inside there is something bothering you about this. Even the new testament says we are to follow the Sabbath, Yahushua followed it, the Apostles followed it. Yahushua was raised from the dead on it, for the Greek text says Mia ton Shabbaton which means early on the regular Sabbath. Please look into this and you will see its true. And yet so called christians here will tell you not to keep it. Why would YHVH tell us to keep all but one of the commandments. You know the truth, this I know. May YHVH help you with this
---wayne on 8/18/09

How many commandments have been given?

For the Christian there is only ONE - love of neighbor.

Romans 13:9-10 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, not kill, not steal, not bear false witness, not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

O' but some say we must love God also, but in reality there really needs to be no command for that for that much is totally normal for those born of His Spirit.
---Lee on 8/18/09

Warwick, with respect to you, you explained why not follow all ten commandments and you say you don't follow the Sabbath. Everyone has already given their reasons why they don't and have explained the reasons why by Scripture. I don't think that you want an answer, you already know what to do, and the others know why they do what they do.
I guess my question would be, why did you post what you did? You want people to explain something to you, that you already know because you don't follow the Sabbath. What is your reason? If you know something to be true and you go against your conscience you sin even if what you conscience thinks is true is not true.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09

Though we are not saved by the 10 commandments, in fact are condemned by them as sinners, can we disobey them?

If we cannot disobey them that raises a problem. Why do we wilfully disobey the Sabbath commandment? We know we cannot disobey the others, why just reject the Sabbath commandment? I don't observe the Sabbath, but I do wonder about this.

Maybe someone has the answer.

I posted this on another thread but no one took up the challenge. I have puzzled about this for years and truly wonder what the answer is.
---Warwick on 8/18/09

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>There is nothing there about becoming the children of Israel.

Rom. 11:17-24 (too long to post).
---dconklin on 8/17/09
You are either a Jew in the broader sense or a Junior Mint whanna be Jew wanting to find justification in those Scriptures.
Verse 17 says clearly, "and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree," You want me to believe that we are graffed unto Israel, but these Scriptures say not that.
---Nana on 8/17/09

Jerry, 3: so you see Jerry, everyone that answers you like Mark E. Lee and others are speaking from the stand point of been born of the Spirit under the New Covenant, while you are still along out there doing your righteous deeds. Our deeds are really God's deeds, and that is why we give the glory to God. I believe not understanding your stance now as a new believer has you confused because you don't except the fact that the Lord is with us and listen to what He says, "I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." notice He didn't say if you want to, but, you will do them.
---MarkV. on 8/17/09

>There is nothing there about becoming the children of Israel.

Rom. 11:17-24 (too long to post).
---dconklin on 8/17/09

Jerry, here I can answer you questions on (Present with the Lord) blog. You asked me two questions. Is the Bible inspired? Yes. The words of Christ always agree with Scripture, He is the same God only encarnated, something else you don't believe. Jesus always quoted the Old. T. Second, you ask, "what is the Spirit of which you speak?" You even asked, Is He the third member of the Godhead? I told you that when you speak you speak as though you know nothing about the spirit and so when you answer you answer as if you along can keep the law out of your own free will and others refuse to do what you are able to do. Sort of boasting on your abilities.
---MarkV. on 8/17/09

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Jerry 2 continue: That is what believing in free will does to a person, it boast his ability when in reality he can do nothing without Christ. You disagree with been present with the Lord, you speak of a person only having a physical body and soul but sound as if you never heard of the spirit.
Here is what God has to say about the New Covenant: "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean, I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statues, and you will keep My judgments and do them"
---MarkV. on 8/17/09

"ALl who come to christ thus must be of israel because God made the covenant ONLY with israel."
---francis on 8/14/09
According to John 1:11-13: "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

There is nothing there about becoming the children of Israel. Even flesh and blood are discounted.
---Nana on 8/17/09


If FATHER of ALL nations is Abram a Hebrew of ancient Israel it is impossible for ALL other nations to be given this same promise if it is GIVEN to ONE to be the father of ALL

Gods Kingdom on earth is a GOVERNMENT under His 10 commandments which professing RELIGIOUS christianity dismisses and disobeys to follow lie of a place in heaven GIVEN by men and their traditions Mark 7:7, 2Corin 4:11

Satan is god of this world NOW (2Corin 4:4) ...Christ returns 1Corin 15 to RULE Gods Kingdom on EARTH when he INHERITS the world ...remember Christ ONLY overcame the world and sin as flesh and blood, death at the cross, and Gentiles (Christians) are GRAFTED IN

...Abram will RULE all nations UNDER Christ
---Rhonda on 8/15/09

Reply to francis on 14/8/09:"i do not recall any convenant made with gentiles". Answer: God told Abram, Gen.12: 3 ".., and in thee shall ALL families/nations of the earth be blessed". Is this not a convenant to the Gentiles? also in Gen.17, God told Abraham that He will make him "a father of many nations" Gen.17: 4-6. Are Gentile nations not included?
---adetunji on 8/15/09

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I do not recall any covenant made with gentiles. I do recall a new covenant made with the Jews. ALl who come to christ thus must be of israel because God made the covenant ONLY with israel.
---francis on 8/14/09

Reuben,I read Acts15:21 ,it said nothing I had not already learned in above verses. The Apostles were saying Moses was preached but people didn't follow what they were told,therefore God is making it easier for Gentiles to understand and follow. In the above verses James spoke in verse 13,then what Gentiles must do in verse 20,and if they did ,they are accepted of God and can follow God. Yes Israelites were given those two Commandments,but difference is God decided to condense all the 10 Commandments,all the Ordinances Jesus nailed to the Cross and sum it all up into four specific guidelines and 2 Commandments. What I don't understand is why so many people are trying to walk with one foot in the Old Covenant and one foot in the New Covenant.
---Darlene_1 on 8/14/09

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
---jerry6593 on 8/14/09

Where is the new covenant for the gentiles listed at in the bible?

Reread the book of Hebrews and tell me what is the focal point of the book on? is it on the covenant commandments or the preisthood and sacrifices?

You also need to go back and reread Acts chpter 15 mainly vs 21

Its funny but the children of Israel were given those same two comandments Deut 6:4-5, Lev. 19:18 They are not new commandments
---Reuben on 8/13/09

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The Old Covenant only got that name because Christ brought us,Gentiles,a New Covenant,better than the Old one. Read the whole chapter of Hebrews 8. This is specific, Hebrews 8:13 By calling the Covenant "new"he has made the first one obsolete,and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. Hebrews chapter 9 & 10 goes on to tell why Christ's sacrifice is better than the Old one. Acts 15,what Gentiles must observe instead of the 10 Commandments,from Apostles and Holy Ghost(verse 28),15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols,and blood,and things strangled,and fornication:from which if ye keep yourselves,ye shall do well.-. That's for Gentiles and we also have two commandments,Love God and love neightbor as yourself.
---Darlene_1 on 8/13/09

hi all. the answer lies in matt chapters 5-6-7, this is the new standard of living e.g. it has been said an eye for an eye but i say unto you, turn the other cheek. these chapters are the fullfillment of the law (his sayings) what Jesus spoke in these chapters was the foundation of conduct for the christian. what john said, was how we could fullfill them, the one who comes after me is mightier than me, he will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.this is the way we can performed what Jesus said. he said the man who keeps these sayings of mine will be likened unto a wise man. whatever you see in these 3 chapters do by the power of the holy spirit. LORD bless you all.mark
---mark on 7/26/09

If we read Matthew 5-7 chapters, the answer is very clear that the Law-10 commandments & other National Israeli Laws is not done away with. Some count 613, give or take. Yahushua(Jesus) animated or gave true interpretation of it all.

Obviously, He did not keep the female laws .... Most of the Law cannot be done because He fullfilled the Temple sacrifice system found in the letter to the Hebrews. The moral laws and holidays are still in effect.

The letters of Paul and other Apostles, are not against the scriptures and Law. They are against "the interpretatons" of it called Oral traditions from Pharasees and the Greeco-Roman-Anglo-African-Asian-Persian philosophers that attacked the early congregation etc.
---Yochanan on 6/20/09

Samuel - *So you are telling me GOD is doing away with the law you say he is establishing?

While the command to love God & your neighbor is found within the Old Covenant, the church is governed by the New Covenant. All those 600+ OT laws are no longer applicable if not found within the New Testament. If they were you would expect to see them taught in the writings of the early church but we do not.

The law is summed up by the command to love ones neighbor. Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, you shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: you shall love your neighbor as yourself...therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
---Lee1538 on 6/20/09

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But Adam the Command to Love GOD and Love neighbor is two of the 613 you said were done away with.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Lev 19:34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself, for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.

So you are telling me GOD is doing away with the law you say he is establishing?
---Samuel on 5/15/09

Many churches down through the ages have recognized that the Ten Written on stone are different then all the rest written on Parchment.

I read where one Rabbi said that all the 600 are commentary on the ten and how to put them into effect.
---Samuel on 5/15/09

I do not have a Doctorate or Masters, but I do know that Billy is correct. There are 613 commands that were given to the nation of Israel. These commands were given in two classifications. Jesus said he didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill the law. The law was a guideline for the nation and Jesus fulfilled everything that was given by the prophets so that all, even Israel, would have salvation through Him.
---Russell on 5/15/09

There was the Moral Law (Ten Commandments), Civil Law, and Dietary Law. There were 600+ commands given altogether. None were given to us Gentiles, and all have been abolished since Christ has fulfilled them. The only commandments Christians have been given are 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself'.
---Adam on 10/14/07

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In the OT, there were 10..some pertaining to Man's relationship with God, and some pertaining to man's relationship with man. In the NT, these 10 are condensed into the Lord God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbour as & God, and man & man.
---Ann5758 on 10/4/07

I haven't read of nor spoken to anyone that is jewish that did not believe keeping the Jewish sabbath was anything less than a ceremonial law. Perhaps the sect that you are from believes otherwise, but I would suspect that it is totally a minority viewpoint.

The sabbath being a ceremonial law does not mean that it is not a command from God but Sabbath keeping was not commanded of the church and that is clear from both Scripture and historical accounts.
---lee1538 on 12/12/06

Lee1538-"Even every Jewish scholar that has ever lived would tell you that."

As a Jew who has studied under Jewish scholars and studied the words of some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the past, I can tell you that your statement is completely false.
---Jeff on 12/12/06

Jana - I keep stating the fact that the Bible does not make any differentiation between ceremonial, moral or other types of laws.

Why do you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that plain fact?

By adding to the Word of God you are clearly forcing an interpretation.

OTOH, if the ceremonial law was our schoolmaster, then how do you deal with the fact that the Sabbath commandment is totally a ceremonial law? Even every Jewish scholar that has ever lived would tell you that.
---lee1538 on 12/11/06

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Lee, study it again..the School Master its talking about is the Ceremonial and Ordinances pointing to His coming. It ended at the cross 4 Christ became the Sacrificial Lamb of God. No more killing animals for our sins...Thats the school master..Not the 10 Cs of God.
---jana on 12/11/06

Simba_Nh - *there are 10 commandments given by God:Deuteronomy 4:13"....
Then laws of Moses which have the remaining Ceremonial laws.*

The laws of Moses contain the ten commandments as well as other moral laws. When the Bible speaks of 'the law' it nowhere makes any distinction as to types of law. As 'the law is our schoolmaster', Gal. 3, there is no distinction made.

This has been one of the major problems with Adventists beliefs.
---lee1538 on 12/10/06

jana - *...remember Jesus also said, "Break one of these commandments, and you break the lot" are you going to defy His own statement?*

i.e. James 2;10

But remember also that many of the Old Testament laws were not applicable to the church - one being circumcision, dietary laws as well as other ceremonial laws such as the Sabbath and religious festivals.

If I "break" an OT laws while it is not applicable to the New Covenant of the church, then I have not sinned.
---lee on 9/1/06

Lee..remember Jesus also said, "Break one of these commandments, and you break the lot" are you going to defy His very own statement?
Rev 22:14 do His commandments/have white robes are related..and mean the gain the white robes only if you keep keeping the laws, you have the righteousness of Christ and the spirit..but you have to obey all..not just 9. brother, keep studying and God bless
---jana on 8/30/06

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Jesus "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The Adventist forfeits not his salvation if he worships God on some day other than Saturday nor if he lights a fire on the Sabbath to cook his food.
Ex. 33:3 You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.
---lee on 5/2/06

Lev. 27:34 " And these are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in Mt. Sinai". I never counted them all but there are many hundreds, not just 10. The 10 that have been separated are a small summary of the total.
---john on 4/7/06

God gave moses 10 commandments everything else was interpretation of those 10 to people that wanted find loopholes in his law. the same today as people want to find loophooles in the Gospel of Jesus Christ to promote their anti-christ doctrines.exzucuh
---exzucuh on 4/7/06

there are 10 commandments given by God:Deuteronomy 4:13"And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Then laws of Moses which have the remaining Ceremonial laws
---Simba_Nh on 4/7/06

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James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

MASHY - No there are not just 10 but around 613 commands in the Old Testament alone.

Those that try to live by the law have fallen from grace and are under the condemnation of the law. Gal. 5:4
---lee on 3/28/06

Commandments, they are 10 (TEN)
James 2 v 10 says you break one youve broke all
---MASHY on 3/27/06

Donna, I agree. The religious were rigid followers of the Law, but they didn't realize the Law came from the Spirit, and so God desires mercy or pity for the fallen rather than their sacrifice. Love is not only a noun, but more importantly it is a verb, it is an action, and active verb. When I love you, then I not only have a feeling of care for you, but I will show this love by providing food, clothes, money, etc. in order to help and restore. I like the word "share" a lot, that is true love.
---Eloy on 3/26/06

Eloy--If I have a neighbor in need, I don't need to find a command that says "feed, clothe..those that are in need." I KNOW what to do and am compelled by LOVE to do it. There are more specific commands I need to know as well. And how silly I'd be to think that no other commandments matter. IMO the point that Jesus tried to make to the Pharisees, and the point of His 2 great commandments, was that the SPIRIT of the law supercedes the LETTER of the law.
---Donna2277 on 3/26/06

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Rebdcca D--When I said "sure you haven't missed a few?" I was just kidding.. didn't expect you to produce a whole list commandments from Jesus. I truly know that Jesus had a lot more to say about righteousness then those 2 verses. Not suggesting we ignore ANYTHING in the Word, either. Just saying that if we need a "test" for motives or behavior, they have to pass those 2 criteria. Life happens fast. Can't always pull a specific verse out of my memory bank before making a decision.
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06

donna, Jesus said, upon these two commandments (woops! a typo)'HANG' all the law and the prophets, meaning, love for God and your neighbor are only the beginning of the law...
---Eloy on 3/25/06

donna, Jesus said, upon these two commandments hand all the law and the prophets, meaning, love for God and your neighbor are only the beginning of the law. Example, if God commands you to sacrifice your only child, then you should obey; or if your neighbor needs some necessity, then the command is to feed, clothe, or pay the necessity. Love in general is not enough, but active service prooving it is the fulfilling of the greatest Law: Do and say to others what you want others to do and say to you.
---Eloy on 3/25/06

Donna; I may have missed a few more, but I am not perfect. I didn't want to be on the computer all night listing all of Jesus commandments. If you have noticed I only listed some quoated by Jesus himself. I didn't list any from the Old Testament. Everything written in God's word we are supposed to abide by. Not just 2 or 3. He means all of them.
---Rebecca_D on 3/25/06

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Eloy and Rebecca--all the commandments of Jesus! Sure you haven't missed a few? The Jews were said to have 631 laws beside the 10 commandments. And how many laws are listed in the book of Leviticus? Maybe that's WHY Jesus condensed the the essentials into 2--(1st)-thou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,soul, mind and strength and (2nd) Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself. Then he added, "There is none other commandment greater than these" Mk 12: 30-31
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06

Hi Donna, yes the OT does have a lot of those in the NT that we are to follow. Lots of ethical laws which obviously include the 10. One example which Peter quotes is 'you shall be Holy.' You get the idea and of course that is not counting the narratives that are given to us as examples (Rom 15:4; I Cor 10:11; Js 5:10) and more like what we find in 2 Tim 3:16 which refers to the OT. Thankfully we do not follow the oral law.
---Billy on 3/25/06

We can pick and choose a few commandments here and there and make special religions to suit some but it still remains that the one who loves the Lord and his neighbor is righteous without the law.
---john on 3/25/06

Commandments by Jesus, Mt 5:16,22-24,27-48, 6:1-4,6-8,16-25,31-34, 7:1-29, 10:5-42, 16:24, 18:8-10,15-17,21-22, 19:16-19, 20:25-28, 22:21-40, 24:42-51, 25:34-36, MK 6:7-11, 10:9-12, 17-22, 11:22, LK 6:27-42, 10;28-37, 12:12-31, JN 7:24,13:34-35,14:11-15,23-24, 15:2-14,17-22. The Sabbath, Mt 12:1-16, Mk 3:2, Lk 6:1-5, 13:10-17, Jn 6:2-18, 9:1-34. Lee Jesus did heal and worked out in the field on the Sabbath, yes he was talked about but he done it anyway.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/06

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Yes,lee,it seems like SO MUCH of the time when Jesus ran afoul of the Pharisees, it was for doing something forbidden on the Sabbath. There were multiple detailed laws (dos and dont's) about keeping the Sabbath. He really knew what pushed their buttons! Of course, as a good Jew, He himself celebrated the Sabbath but He told them "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" Mk 2:27
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06

The "Sabbath Keepers" were the worst enemies that Jesus had while on earth.

Who wants to follow their example?

Jesus could not even heal someone that had been afflicted for years, eat grain from a field, or really do anything without a Pharisee accusing him of breaking the Sabbath.

No wonder that the early Gentile church did not even observe any kind of Sabbath, nor were they required to by the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15).
---lee on 3/24/06

Tommy3007, Sorry, but I see nothing about the Sabbath in the 2 commands of Jesus. Obeying these words of Jesus, nine of the commandments could be kept without a person ever knowing the original 10 in the OT. If Jesus considered the Sabbath so important, I'd think he would mention it here of all places!
---Donna2277 on 3/24/06

And that is because those that insist on keeping certain laws cannot or will not differentiate between the requirements of the Old and the New Covenants.

The SDA insists upon obedience to laws as they simply do not or cannot understand the concept of living by faith alone.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
---lee on 3/24/06

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Jerry is trying to insert the Galatian Heresy into the discussion AGAIN ad nauseam.

Because he is SDA, he believes that all of should worship on Saturday, be vegetarian, believe in the cataplectic(?) visions of plagerist Ellen White as well as believe in the Investagative Judgment.

Thus his comment is a bait to entice others. Look at the SDA threads here for more data.
---John_T on 3/24/06

My Bible tells me that there are 10 Commandments (Deu 4:13). Jesus DID mention the Sabbath - He claimed to be Lord of it (Mat 12:8). He also said that not one jot or tittle would be removed from the law till heaven and earth pass (Mat 5:18); and further, He call those who teach men so least in heaven (v. 19). To claim that we may ignore any commandment that Jesus did not specifically ratify is not only faulty, but also dangerous logic. By this reasoning, homosexuality and sex with animals is sanctioned.
---jerry6593 on 3/24/06

part 1: There are many commandments given; the main ones being: Repent, be baptized, pray, confess your sins, worship God, study the Word, do the works of Christ and be a doer of the Word, depart from wrong and abstain from evil, be perfect, be righteous, be good and bear good fruit, be obedient, sin not,
---Eloy on 3/24/06

pt 2: be clean, be pure, be holy, lie not, bless and curse not, love God completely, love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemies, fight the good fight, share your faith and make disciples, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the shut-ins and prisoners and the infirmed, and be a father to the fatherless, a friend to the friendless, a helper to the helpless.
---Eloy on 3/24/06

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Actually, Donna, Jesus included the Sabbath. He quoted the OT teaching to "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind and strength, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. Love the Lord covers the 1st 4 commandments; no other god, no graven images, "keep the Sabbath," while the 2nd refers to the last 6; honour father and mother, do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,and do not covet. IF we do as Jesus answered the lawyer, we fulfill all the law.
---tommy3007 on 3/24/06

If I am proud that I have kept all of the Commandments would that be sin?
---Elder on 3/23/06

Billy-- are there ANY of the 613 that are binding to NT Christians?
---Donna2277 on 3/23/06

Donna. You are correct about the Sabbath.
---john on 3/23/06

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Having a doctorate from Hebrew Union college where I was a translator for the Dead Sea scrolls and having just completed another doctorate in NT from Oxford's UNISA, I can assure you that we have 613 commandments, but some are no longer valid for NT believers since those commandments apply only to the religious system of the Old Covenant.
---Billy on 3/23/06

Did anyone notice that the 2 commandments Jesus gave covers ALL of the original 10 commandments except one? Yup, there is no mention of keeping the Sabbath. Yet "on these two hang all the law and the prophets" I take that to mean that the New Covenant frees us to worship God on any day of the week. We are no longer bound to worship on Saturday.
---Donna2277 on 3/23/06

Yes MP there are none of the commandments which fall outside that requirement either of loving God or loving your neighbour.
I suppose if we covet someone else's property, and do nothing about it, we are not really harming them, but it is bound to affect our relationship with them, and of course it does damage ourselves.
---alan_of_uK on 3/23/06

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