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Age Of The Grand Canyon

We visited the Grand Canyon, they say it was was created over millions of years. Our church leaders say the earth is young, as according to the Bible. I am confused.

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I recommend reading Dr. Walt Brown's Book In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood. It is free online. The layers of GC were deposited during Noah's flood as one continuous horizon. After the flood waters receeded a massive inland pocket of trapped water (a lake) remained. Several hundred years after the flood a natural dam broke and all of that water rushed out into the ocean and carved the still soft & submerged sedimentary layers of GC in probably a few hours.
---Anthony on 5/6/07


Ryan Z ... Join the club.
---alan_of_UK on 5/6/07


Elder, **The earth is just a little over 6000 years old.**

Where do you get this? Scripture says, "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth." It mentions nothing of the timeline in which GOd created the heavens and the earth. The human race may be roughly 6,000 years old but we can not assume we were the first creations placed on the earth, can we?
---Ryan_Z on 5/5/07


How can you be confused? The earth is just a little over 6000 years old. The flood caused many things to change and it created the Grand Canyon and petrified wood and many other things also.
Trust the Word of God first.
---Elder on 5/5/07


"..I'm sure the Grand Canyon was carved out when the Great Flood receded within the year it covered the Earth."

Steveng, I agree with you.
---Kay on 12/6/06




Steveng; Yes, those scentist are some evil dudesarcheologist, palentologist, geologist, etc, all part of a satanic cult. Once when I was young, I wanted to be a tv preacher, but the thought of 90wt in my hair upset me, and it does not matter, that grey matter. Its my abilities, not that cre-dibility matters.

Anon-You are worse than me!
---MikeM on 12/2/06


When I was young, I wanted to be a brain surgeon. So I took my brains out and played with them for awhile. When I put them back in, I found out I had some left over. But I threw that part away. I do know something is missing now.
---anonymous on 11/28/06


Mike: When I was young, I wanted to become a scientist. I studied all kinds of sciences between the ages of 11 to 22 years. I went deeper than most people. even to the point of finding discrepancies in data. I was the president of an astronomy club and took possession of an 8 1/2 inch refractor telescope mounted in an observatory.
---Steveng on 11/26/06


I also found scientist falsifying data in all disciplines including geology and archeology. Questions popped up in my head about the true agenda of scientists. Friends would say that Im a fool. That I should continue toward my dreams and make science a profession of truth. Years later, I found out that some scientists who were trying to tell the world the truth were humiliated and decommissioned.
---Steveng on 11/26/06


I found out two things: one, that if you tell the people a lie long enough, the people will believe it as truth. I guess scientists are just people. Im really no one special, but made a few high level contacts that made me believe that we could be years ahead of out technology if it werent for the fact that good scientist are suppressed. Now, Im a technical writer and graphic artist for the avionics industry.
---Steveng on 11/26/06




StevenG you have a unique view of geology. There are many layers in the Grand Canyon, laid over millions of years, many forces formed the canyon, continental drift, vulcanism, Ice ages, erosion, etc. The Kiabab Plateau slowly was raised over the eons, and the Colorado has changed courses many times. If you are right in your unique theory I threw alot of money away by going to college.
---MikeM on 11/25/06


There is a hill near where I live having houses on the top and green grass up and down the slope. We had a terrible rainy season a couple of years ago that demolished a couple of homes and the slopes were like mini canyons. If this could happen in two days, I'm sure the Grand Canyon was carved out when the Great Flood receded within the year it covered the Earth.
---Steveng on 11/24/06


Just watched a special on the Grand Canyon. Native Americans were there 12,000 years ago. Elder, are you hoping to get your coffee cup back when MT Helen blows her top again? Could be sooner than later.
---R.A. on 11/24/06


Why do you look to the Grand Canyon for information about the Past when the Future is so much greater than the past...if you wish...check the most recent word written by The Hollywood Prophet and see why this canyon is grand...

Peace,
rachel
---Reiter on 11/21/06


Habakkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear.
---Gerold on 5/6/06


Gerold: Where does the Bible say that the earth is the center of the universe?
---jerry6593 on 5/6/06


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There is a difference between the world and the earth just like spiritual and physical the world is invisible but is revealed in the actions of people and Governments it is contrary to God and cannot be moved it must be born again.
---Exzucuh on 4/9/06


"The earth is the center of God's universe, with the sun, moon, and stars merely providing various essential services for the earth and its inhabitants." [Henry Morris, The Biblical Basis for Modern Science (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1984), p. 162] The Bible clearly does teach that the earth is the center of the universe, the FIRST STEP away from the Bible was NOT evolution, but the heliocentric model. I accept the Bible!
---Gerold on 4/9/06


I stand corrected, the correct scripture is; "The world is firmly established, it will not be moved."
- Psalm 93:1 & 1 Chronicles 16:30 Literalism?

From my window I can see glacial circqus and loess in the mountains from the last ice age, is it an optical illusion? The Lord is all his wisdom endowed us with a mind to use, to think, act, and reflect on his grand works; not a mind to hide under a bushel.
---MikeM on 4/9/06


Mike M: I'm not a teen. I'm 63 years old, have a degree in physics, have a minor in geology, and have worked as an aerospace engineer for 40 years. I say that the earth is about 6000 years old, that evolution between Genesis kinds never occurred, and that there is no cridible scientific evidence to the contrary. The Bible speaks of the over-educated atheists of academia in Romans 1:22. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
---jerry6593 on 4/8/06


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Duet. 25 does'nt say anything about the earth not moving
---Exzucuh on 4/8/06


Since I take God's word as the authority, then I have to trust it over man's reasoning or theories. If I can see from God's word that I am wrong, then I will be glad to change, but until then, I must with all the great men of the past, say I trust His word. Please share the scriptures I should read. It is the Christian's pleasure to study God's word, and treasure His wisdom rather than the reasons, theories of men. Without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Faith comes by hearing the Word.
---Wayne87 on 4/8/06


Jesus was considered ignorant and crazy, but by holding fast to the word of His Father, He won the victory over the devil, sin, and death itself. I believe in the word of God as preserved down through time and given as a precious legacy to us. How did I arrive at my conclusion? by study of the word. From my study of the Bible itself, I come to the conclusion that creation took place a little over 6,000 years ago. To me, God's word seems plain on that point.
---Wayne87 on 4/8/06


Wayne, are you a teen? To say the earth is only 6,000 yeears old is plain ignorant; sorry. what has led you to com to such a conclusion, be it political, religious, or other is therefore something I would avoid. As to Christians, I believe, (and I could be wrong) about 3% of Christians believe that, along with other literalist who believe in burning witch's, as the Bible demands, and that the earth does not move.(Deut;25) You are free to believe those things, but be careful with matchs.
---Mike_M on 4/7/06


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Did you know that the sun is burning up huge amounts of its energy each day? It's burning itself up, so it's getting smaller. If the earth is really 4.6 billion yrs. old, then back then the sun would have been so big that it would have touched earth. What about 6000 years? no problems with that.
---della on 4/6/06


I agree that we should be able to back it up. Hasn't God done just that time and again? He raised the dead, healed the sick, and forgave sins. We can all advance theories and ideas, but we ultimately have to ask ourselves, What does God say, think, or do. In His word, I believe He has made it plain, therefore my faith is founded on that. Faith comes by hearing His word. Men are free to think, to reason, and to do, but God says, The world by wisdom knew not God. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
---Wayne87 on 4/5/06


Wayne; The Lord in his wisdom endowed us with ideas and the ability to concluded. I believe the Creator has in no way given us exact times of the creation. He gave us the ability to THINK. If I offer an idea, or postulate a theory, I believe I should be able to back it up, if I want it to be credible.
---MikeM on 4/4/06


mikeM, thanks for yours. We just are using a different basis for our understanding. You use the words, ideas, conclusions of creatures. I believe that Christians use the words of the Creator. He has revealed that He can raise the dead, heal the sick, turn back the shadow in the sundial. He died so that we all may choose where to rest our "faith". Thanks for making clear in what you trust.
---Wayne87 on 4/3/06


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The 6 days, surely 24 hours was not the days in the Bible.Take nature, and life spans,take an ant,its lifespan is minute compared to ours,then take a giant tortoise, our lifespan is minute compared to theirs,or giant trees, who we know live for thousands of years,to me it is all relative.perhaps to trees, their day is the summer, and their night is the winter when they sleep,i might be wrong.But if we look on things in a similar scale then it puts a whole new perspective on the 6 days in the bible.morgana
---morgana on 3/28/06


i have never seen the Grand Canyon, or been to USA, i live in England, but from what i have seen on TV it is a wonderful place. As for when or how it was made, i can only assume the scientists, who have made life long studies of such places, know what they are talking about.
morgana
---morgana on 3/28/06


ha, ha. you guys are too much. Elder, I'm wondering, does your coffee have something to do with all the earthquakes in California too?
---Eloy on 3/27/06


Ok Ok the Grand Canyon was made by the rudder of Noah's ark. I saw it happen. Ugh.. that was before the water.
I did throw my coffee cup down a hole in the top of Mt. St Helens a few years ago.
---Elder on 3/27/06


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Elder is the only on who knows when it was created. C'mon Elder, fess up now. We know you once lived in Arizonia, and the Grand Canyon was let's say in your "backyard". Because it WAS your backyard. That's where you poured all your left over coffee out of the pots! lol
---Fred_S. on 3/27/06


When science and education do not line up with the truth of proven Scripture, it is error and should be rejected. I'm better educated by the truth of Scripture, rather than by the multitude of faulty manmade books with their precocious ideas. True science and education agree with the truth of Scripture. For example when God says he made man from the dust of the earth, and an ignoramus university professor or educator says that we came from apes, then who will you believe? Omniscient God or deceived man?
---Eloy on 3/27/06


Ryan: How can they e-mail? You didn't use your CN member log-in!

Schools across the USA have fired (even illegally) teachers for merely questioning evolution! Do you think you'd ever find truth on this issue there? Most kids have no concept of what it's like to risk your whole career in what is supposed to be a 'FREEDOM of thought' country, but isn't in reality!

If you REALLY want search until you get an honest answer, look and ask people at places like 'answersingenesis' write me for URLs.
---danie9374 on 3/27/06


How can any human being state with confidence that anything on this earth is xxxxxmillion years old? All tests are done on the assumption that what we are testing against has already had its age proven. There is virtually nothing on this earth that we can absolutely prove the age of, we just keep comparing one thing with another unproven thing and come up with crazy answers. My personal belief is 6x24 hour days for creation and a much younger earth than most scientists believe.
---emg on 3/27/06


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Mr Wayne, your presuppositions are completly based on subjective beliefs, therefore does objectivity not exist? I base conclusions on objective evidence, not rhetorical bromides. Faith/reason need not conflict, except when one TRIES TO factor God out. The fact is the Grand Canyon- based on geology, morphology, palentology, geography is over 70 million years old. To superimpose subjective paradigms over reality is to return Christianity to the middle ages, the dark ages.
Scripture is about salvation.
---mikeM on 3/26/06


Likewise the miracles of our Savior, from curing disease to raising the dead. True science recognizes the Creator before the created and watches Him upholding all things by the word of His power. While it is free to explore the unknown, it is wrong to deny the unknown. That is what we are talking about here. God spoke, and it was. Science sees what is and seeks to discover what was and is to come. While it can and should reveal what it finds, let us beware lest we deny what is not yet found.
---Wayne87 on 3/26/06


We have no trouble understanding that "in the day.." can refer to a period of time--whether it be long or short. True science will be in harmony with the Truth. What I have a problem with is when people take science and go making suppositions! So called science in past ages supposed that it was impossible for man to fly. Even modern science--last I heard--proves the bumblebee cannot fly--its impossible! Yet when a bumblebee decides to fly it doesn't ask a scientist if it is possible.
---Wayne87 on 3/26/06


I believe the Grand Canyon was formed when the God flooded the Earth. I believe a huge mass of rushing water formed it.
If you have any questions please e-mail me.
---ryan on 3/26/06


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One needs the "spirit of a sound mind" when interpreting scripture. Gen 2.4. (KJV) says "in the DAY (singular) that God made the earth and the heavens" all lumped together as a "day" . It obviously means a "period of time". The bible says that! No conflict with true science.
---1st_cliff on 3/26/06


DonnaB, are you the lady whose parents object to some book? I am interested in science as well, but do not know what the conflict about the age of the earth is. Geology, archeology, etc. Its all a mystery to me in my church as well.
---Mikem on 3/26/06


My interest is geology. Diatomite is a marine sediment of the Miocene, about 2 million years ao. Diatomite is abundant, and are the substance of which many marine deposits are formed, they are particularly useful for identifying the relative ages of some fossil deposits and are found at the miocene level in the Grand Canyon. I do not see what the big deal is, but the leaders at my parents church are not exactly pro-education. Am I the problem or are they?
---DonnaB on 3/26/06


I echo Wayne's last reply. Who ya gonna believe, God's spoken word? or man's incorrect measurements of the past? Like a little child who thinks that they know more than their parents, so is finite and futile science to the Creator. As for my mind being the mind of Christ, I'll stick with my Lord's words, because I know that they are true.
---Eloy on 3/26/06


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Are we saying, that if we understand days to be long periods of time then His word will be more in harmony with "science"? Modern science keeps adjusting for every new discovery. Is God's word going to have to be adjusted back and forth as "science" "proves" and then "disproves" certain theories? Man is free to believe what he wants. I do believe that for Christians, the authority and anchor for our faith is His Word. What saith the scriptures, How readest thou?
---Wayne87 on 3/26/06


I don't know what the age of the Grand Canyon has to do with evolution, which relates to biology. I graduate from High School this year. I suppose education is not a bad thing, our clergy here is not exactly well 'educated.' They take a limited view of education, college which I plan this year. I see no problem with the earth being billions of years old, but they get all riled up about 'silly science' as they call it.
---MikeM on 3/26/06


Another evidence that reveals in God's word that the six days of Genesis were literal, is found in the repeated references in Israelite history where God says in six days, He created the heavens and the earth, and then points out that He rested on a day, then tells the people to rest that day--a 24 hour period proven by giving and preservation of manna, etc. If God speaks and it is so, I fail to see what is accomplished for our faith if we say it took Him a million years, or 10 million, etc.
---Wayne87 on 3/26/06


Mike M what do you use as evidence that all that happened 'about 15,000 years ago'? Isn't there a possibility that it happened 5,000 years ago (or some other figure)?
---f.f. on 3/26/06


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nvBarbara I'm not sure why the time that Adam and Eve spent in the garden is important in working out the age of the earth unless you think that the clock of Adam's age only started the moment they were told to leave the garden. His age at death is recorded (which I always assumed was counted from the moment he was created but perhaps I am wrong). Do you know verses that indicate otherwise?
---M.P. on 3/26/06


Amen, Elder.
I can see where one would be a bit confused after seeing the Grand Canyon ... it scared me because of the size. According to Bible scholars, we're only 6,000 years old.
---Nellah on 3/26/06


I trust in the word of God. However I think its conjecture to suppose that the earth is 6000 years old. We've NO idea how long A & E were in the garden.
You may count 6000 years since the flood, but beyond that we've not a clue how long the earth has been here, and does it really matter?
---NVBarbara on 3/26/06


Eliza, the reference you make to "A day to God could be...", based on the passage that says "A day to God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day," assumes that this means God could count a day as any amount of time He wishes, which He can. What that passage is actually saying though, is that God is not "controlled" by time, He operates completely outside of all the laws that we understand on this plane. He is in ALL places and all times at the same time.
---tommy3007 on 3/26/06


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While I am no "biblical" scholar, I know that the Genesis account of creation says that God made the earth in 6 LITERAL 24hr days. All of the theories that are being pushed to explain away the literal account are based on a presumption that evolution is true, which it isn't. Science is man's tool for studying God's creative works, NOT a measuring stick by which to measure the accuracy of God's word. As Elder said, all of the 'million year old'looking things were caused by the flood. See Part 2
---tommy3007 on 3/26/06


I live in Oregon in the Catlow Valley where
about 15,000 years ago, glacial run-off filled the Valley and the other 'downdropped' valleys in the area, creating huge lakes that dominate the landscape. On the eastern edge of the valley are large walls of metamorphic rock, consisting of different terraces, each formed by fluctuations in the lake level, much like wavecut platforms on a coastline. The retreating Ice left deposits of loess everywhere. Do I deny what's here or the Grand Canyon for faith?
---Mike_M on 3/26/06


I believe the bible, I am also pleased with Science when it concurs my belief.
---bobby on 3/25/06


God created everything in six days and the 7th rested. so to us a day consists of 24 hours, but to God 1 day could be a million years.
---eliza4969 on 3/25/06


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Was Eve confused before she listened to the serpent? No! The serpent came along and contradicted God's word. Now she had a choice--believe God's word--and remain firm in faith, or continue to listen to and consider Satan's lies--which would lead to confusion. Instead of fleeing the spot, she began to think about, well maybe God's word wasn't true! Maybe He didn't mean what He said! Now she was confused! Who do we listen too? Faith is based on God's word, not the word of man or serpent.
---Wayne87 on 3/25/06


Agreed absolutely Elder.
---emg on 3/25/06


where in the bible does it say the earth is 6,000 years old?
---eliza4969 on 3/25/06


# 1 Elder will not be surprised to see me put my oar in, 'cos I do not see any conflict if the age of the earth is over 6000 years. I believe the Bible account is True, but not necassarily intended to be a literally accurate hour-by-hour account.
There are many things the Bible does not mention in the history of the Earth and of the Jewish people, and of the life of Jesus.
Genesis tells us all we need to know, which is that God made Everything and Everyone. We don't need to know the detail
---alan_of_UK on 3/25/06


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