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Liberal Tolerance A Sin

Is liberal tolerance a sin? Has liberal tolerance been the downfall of Christianity?

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Why do we talk about churches as if they were political parties? Who defines the word 'liberal'? Does liberal mean heretical? Who is really able to draw an objective line between heresy and orthodoxy?
---InimicusStultitiae on 12/14/07

churches have gotten so liberal that it is scarey. It seems everyone wants to know what the church can do for them. It should be what can I do for Christ?
---shira on 12/14/07

Great question! I think overly extended liberal tolerence of any kind can be a downfall in many areas. The Bible teaches us to have temperence in all things. When anyone loosens their grip on selfcontrol and good values of morality they will begin to accept what the world calls good and forget God calls it bad. The greatest downfall to Christianity is denominational religiosity and churches liberalism. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
---Darlene_1 on 5/9/07

I think we need to be tolerant of others' failings and sins (as God is tolerant of our own and awaits our conversion) and be more strict in judging ourselves.
---jack on 5/7/06

Because men cease to obey God and cease to draw the line by preaching His word, apostasy has spread until much of the religion of the day is in name only. To fail to teach men to observe all things He has commanded is to be in the road to death. Jesus never compelled people to obey, but drew them with cords of love. The very essence of true religion is freedom, even freedom to choose to remain in one's sins.
---Wayne87 on 4/8/06

It is important that we keep a clear distinction in our minds between sin and righteousness, light and darkness, good and evil, true worship and false worship, the true God and the many false gods. God's word draws a clear and distinct line between the two. If I say that committing adultery is a sin, many call me intolerant, likewise if I say it is a sin to live the gay lifestyle, to commit murder, etc. Christ came and called sin by its right name, yet came not to condemn, but to bid sinners sin no more.
---Wayne87 on 4/8/06

Chris, I apologize too as I like to play the devils advocate on this blog. I see some pretty strange stuff popping up, including some stuff over my name. LOL., We are all baby Christians when it comes down to it. For me following Christ is a continuous, unending process and to get it right we have to listen as God speaks to us. As you can see from this blog there are no easy answers. Dont religion get in the way of you worshiping God. I pray for you in your journey.
---randy on 4/6/06

Randy, I apoligize. I am just a baby christian that is hungry for the Word of God and really shouldnt be acting like a know-it-all. God made sure that his Word was preserved so that we can test all things. God sacrificed his only son to cleanse us of our sins and all we have to do is believe and recieve his son. That is one thing that I am sure of and I love him dearly for that. I believe that in Romans 14:1 Paul tells us not to dispute over doubtful things.
---chris on 4/5/06

Thanks Randy.

I am not saying that we shouldnt observe the Sabbath, I am saying that is not required for salvation. Otherwise we would need to journey to Jeruselem once a year to observe the feast of the tabernacles as well. I know I can't do that. There are many other sabbath days as well beyond the weekly sabbath, do you observe them too?
---chris on 4/5/06

Chris, you have made my case for me. Since someone has decided not to obey the law about the Sabbath, can he disregard the one about adultery or murder too? The Sabbath was important enough to god to make his top ten. I worship every day, so technically I guess I am in violation of the law. We are under grace, but too many people live under the law, the ones they choose to live under. Bless you in your journey.
---randy on 4/4/06

Randy, If we are obligated to the Sabbath, in effect, this would put us entirely under the law again, something we have been delivered from (Romans 6:14-15; Galatians 3:23-25). And when we come back under the law, we have put ourselves back under the curse (Galatians 3:13). The whole idea of us today being under Sabbath Worship is an affront to the blood of Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. It says that His grace was not sufficient.
---chris on 4/4/06

Mobile Exxon is now the largest corporation in the world thanks to huge tax cuts by the Bush administration. Still we have to have fund drives to support our returning soldiers that are injured since the government will not full fund them. We are now the largest debtor nation in the world. And the list goes on. So dont tell me that the conservatives have any moral high ground.
---randy on 4/4/06

Chris, I think that you are agreeing with what I said. Saturday is the Sabbath not Sunday. But you had made the assertion that everything that your church believed was scriptural, but worshiping on Sunday and not Saturday is not scriptural. Saturday was established as the Sabbath. You little church sounds great. I also worship in a small Episcopal congregation. I am sorry: The RCC The Roman Catholic Church. I have seen it used numerous times on this blog so I though it was common jargon.
---randy on 4/4/06

Mod ... "One should vote for the person and how that person will vote or represent. However, neither party is perfect by any means." Yes indeed. I was just making the point that many here claim that you cannot be Democrat and Christian, which is patently false.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/3/06

Randy, 2 Cor. 3:13-18; Matt 22:36-40

It is supposed to be the seventh day of the week which is Saturday, not Sunday (Ex. 20:10). I dont know what RCC is.

Read John 9:13-16; Matt. 12:1-12; Luke 13:15;

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The Mod was saying that pro-abortion, pro-homosexual are liberal politics.
---chris on 4/3/06

Moderator. # 2 But when you say "I hope nobody here equates a political party with the Bible" I do have to respond to say that looking at these blogs from outside the US, I fear your hope is unfulfilled. There seem to be no Democrats saying theirs is the Christian party, whereas there are many Republicans saying you cannot be a Christian & a Democrat. I'm sorry to say that, because if I was a US citizen, I think I would vote Republican.

Moderator - One should vote for the person and how that person will vote or represent. However, neither party is perfect by any means.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/3/06

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Moderator. # 1 You make a very good point that it was the precursers of the Rep party which abolished American slavery (in the UK it was pressure from a mnority of Christians and others with a social conscience) & you correctly say "It's not a political party that determines sin it's the Bible"
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/3/06

I certainly dont equate any political party with godly conduct. I was raised a Republican and will return to that party when they return to their Republican ideals. Also I have said that the liberals have been right more than they have been wrong. I didnt say that they have never been wrong. And regardless of what conservative revisionist history says being anti-slavery was a liberal idea as were the other things I mentioned.

Moderator - Yes, the Republicans were liberal thinkers on the slavery issue not Democrats. As stated, it the Bible which Christians should follow not a political party. Political party ideas change just like the wind.
---randy on 4/3/06

Chris, observing the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments, why is it that we no longer observe it. We supposedly observe the others. It is RCC tradition that we observe Sunday as the Sabbath. The verses you mention again bring supposition in the equation. Moderator Just some liberal ideas that are now embraced by conservatives; child labor laws, public education, the right of women to vote, the abolition of slavery. Looks like they have been right than they have been wrong.

Moderator - Are you advocating pro-abortion and pro-homosexual laws as Godly? It was the Republicans that got rid of slavery not Democrats. It's not a political party that determines sin it's the Bible. I hope nobody here equates a political party with the Bible.
---randy on 4/3/06

Moderator, thanks. What is the difference between liberal Christianity and liberal politics? I figure you would answer without being defensive, thanks.

Moderator - I would view liberal Christianity as the bible is a myth, or part truths written by man, homosexual leaders accepted, etc. Liberal politics such as pro-abortion, pro-homosexual laws and an anti-christian spirit.
---Ulrika on 4/2/06

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Moderator, is liberal Christianity similar to being lukewarm?

Moderator - Yes or they could be so liberal as to just be cold.
---Ulrika on 4/2/06

randy -

Saturday is the Sabbath. We gather on the first day of the week in recognition of the resurrection Acts 20:7; 1 Co 16:2. There were many Sabbaths and I guarantee they arent all observed. We are actually told not to judge people based on what they do on the Sabbath and that it is not a necessary day for us anymore Col 2:16; Ga 4:10-11.

It is not a new idea, churches have been meeting on Sundays for years.
---chris on 4/2/06

Alot of people want the Preachers to "tickle" their ears. They don't want to know the truth, they don't care. Just as long as they show up in church, they think they are on their way to heaven. Too many people leave a church because the word steps on their toes. I'd say step all over them, for that is how we learn.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/06

"Unfortunately, most people seek the easy path to salvation; they want to maximize their carnal desires while still meeting the minimum requirements for entrance into heaven. The even search for scriptures that can be twisted into confirming their perverted beliefs."

Jerry, to a degree I agree with you but one cannot truly be seeking the God of salvation and still maximizing their carnal desires. Those two things directly oppose one another.
---Linda on 4/2/06

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Unfortunately, most people seek the easy path to salvation; they want to maximize their carnal desires while still meeting the minimum requirements for entrance into heaven. The even search for scriptures that can be twisted into confirming their perverted beliefs.
---jerry6593 on 4/2/06

Chris, you say that you attend a church that bases every little detail on the Bible. Then why do you met on Sundays? Saturday is the Sabbath; it was never changed although there is plenty of supposition on why it was changed to Sunday, but nothing scriptural. But you are 100% right that people need to test sermons and what is written on blogs against Gods word. Bless you in your journey.
---randy on 4/1/06

Are we going to beat this "liberals are destroying the world" dead horse again? Are you sure you want to go there?
---NurseRobert on 4/1/06

Shira--Don't know what you call "liberal" churches. To me it's mainstream PC churches teaching a social gospel, primarily works oriented and not expecting much of God. The prosperity and Word of Faith churches are those whose focus is what they can GET from God. They can quote verses they hear in sermons, but not much interested in study of the Word, otherwise. The backbone of Christianity is small churches (small because their doctrine lacks wide appeal) that stresses both faith and obedience.
---Donna2277 on 4/1/06

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The church is going too far. There are a lot of good ones around, but they struggle to keep members. I attend a small Bible church that bases every little detail on the scripture. There are about 15 adults on Sunday, but they radiate with love for Christ and a desire to search his Word.

Thats whats missing. People trust that their pastors know everything and they dont study the Word or test sermons against scripture. People need to read their Bibles.
---chris on 4/1/06

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