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Evil Brought In Your Home

Is it true that evil could be brought into your home through an object such as music, a shirt or with something that represents evil?

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[4] there was the "fire of God" (words of his servant). Only in one verse (Job 2:7) does it say satan "smote Job with boils," but as in 1:11, that's preceded by satan saying to God, "However, put forth Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh;" which certainly shows satan can't harm anyone without God's permission! Neither does it say how long it took. Personally, I believe God allowed some disease to overtake Job without satan directly causing it!
---Daniel on 5/18/08

brothers and sisters, we as christians don,t have a thing to prove.and to answer the post yes, anything that fills your mind with thoughts other than bible based behavior are not good.are they evil in themselves. I truly believe nothing God has made is evil,i,ts how we use, and change them that creates the problem.
---tom2 on 5/30/06

Daniel, one more thing before I quit this post. All of Psalm is songs and all of Song of Solomon is songs. Shira
---shira on 4/10/06

Shira ... You misunderstood me. I do not think you had anything to apologise for.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/10/06

Daniel was your comment, "Why is it people who attempt to get at the truth of a matter often receive replies of sarcasm, etc." Daniel on 4/8/06, directed inward at yourself or your attitude to towards Shira? Do you really think you first response to her was correct and then to go back a year or more on some comment to prove your point?
---Elder on 4/10/06

Thanks to Alan and Elder. I do want to apologize to Daniel for responding to some of his post. It wasn'nt meant to go this far. I ask forgiveness and I pray God will give me wisdom when I respond to a post. This is the last post for me. Shira
---shira on 4/8/06

Shira ... there is no need for you to say any more. Elder has said all that needs to be said.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/8/06

[*-5-*] That should be what we spend our time praying about removing and preventing. "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons" (1Tim.4:1), so let's stop doing that. This is my last planned comment on it here.
---Daniel on 4/8/06

[*-4-*] but the possessed are *not* unlimited in what they can do; most prob. similar to someone on PCP, yet Lk.8:27f. describes one with a "legion" of demons no one could subdue. What we don't see are any of the wild stories I've heard coming from some churches about demons being 'in things' around you and causing lots of your problems. WHAT demons are very much involved in is false doctrine and causing dissension in churches!
---Daniel on 4/8/06

[*-3-*] My point here was Scripture doesn't 'back up' what some believe it does. No passage describes humans as seeing demons outside a body. None have them moving objects. They do give possessed bodies extraordinary strength, but is it Biblical to think demons could bring someone back from the dead? No! Only God can do that! I don't intend to try 'exorcising' one unless I'm absolutely sure that's God's will, [cont.]
---Daniel on 4/8/06

[*-2-*] before the Spirit indwelt them (Mk.6:49; "they supposed that it was a ghost"). After looking through a number of books on demons, I'm shocked at how some authors misapplied and took verses out of context to bolster certain ideas. Why did they? Apparently they couldn't find any Scripture describing physical phenomena they believe attributable to demons outside of possession. I'm not about to go hunting for such experiences either; and I pray you don't either.
---Daniel on 4/8/06

[*-1-*] folks, I didn't quite expect to find what I have when I began searching into this issue! The more I dig into the Word, the more I see satan has deceived even Believers about what demons are/can do, and it began long before Christ became flesh. Ancient Greeks, Philo, Josephus even some early Christian writers believed deomons were spirits of dead people! But Jesus told us the lost are in Hades (Lk.16:22-23) until Judgment Day. Even the Disciples had such fears... cont.
---Daniel on 4/8/06

shira and all: Apparently I haven't made something clear enough. I am *not* trying to 'poke fun' at anyone's 'experiences.' I'm asking we compare them with Scripture before jumping immediately to 'this must be a demon!' type conclusions and form our beliefs on the Bible not just experience. Re: store, were YOU at the one in Sunyvale,CA? And *no* I certainly don't believe all I read on the Net! Where did YOU read about it? Did you mean it was 'closed' permanently, and if so, when?
---Daniel on 4/8/06

Elder: I'll take your last line as a joke, but a big mistake (non-factual sense) I made here was mentioning shira's past comment! Now I have to deal with many things at once here; should have launched right into main topic without that.

Something for All to think about: Why is it people who attempt to get at the truth of a matter often receive replies of sarcasm, etc. instead of thoughts dealing with the facts?
---Daniel on 4/8/06

shira: I've no problem saying I'm a saved sinnner and FAR from perfect. Alan asked about something while back; I replied, "That wasn't a Scriputral comment I made on the parables; wish I could erase it!" It even has a 'typo' in it. :)

Now I ask as before (when I wrote you), what "figure of speech" would you call the one you used? Here are a few: metaphor, oxymoron, irony, and 'exaggeration' (like when you said: "He said I exaggerate things all the time.")
---Daniel on 4/8/06

rest assured if evil can move a glass on a board, evil can move anything. But Greater was in you than in the object (world).

When someone has had no experience of evil in this form, Its great that he has this type of unbelief, because evil is not glorified.

It takes nothing away from your experience, it's just dissapointing when people make your experience to seem untrue, be encouraged there are a lot of us out there that know exactley what you are talking about.
love X
---carla on 4/8/06

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Some people said to me there was evil in their house so I anointed their house and property and asked God to not allow any evil to dwell there. the people left and sold their house.true story
---Exzucuh on 4/8/06

Daniel, I didn't say toys r us was closed in l993, but if I can remember correctly it was l988 or l989.
---shira on 4/8/06

Daniel, you must be well educated or so it seems. You just seem to know everything about everything. Were you there at toys r us? Do you believe everything you read on the net? What I told you was the truth. You can make fun all you want, but it still doesn't deter from the truth. Shira
---shira on 4/8/06

Holy and Good can be brought in also.
---Alexandra on 4/8/06

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Daniel have you counted the items you speak about to Shirl to prove her point is wrong?
Or did you wake up on the bad side of life.
If you were so concerned about what was said by her why didn't you just ask in a kind way.
Look out there could be a spook living in your tee shirt.
---Elder on 4/7/06

Well, its nice to see you brought something up that is almost a year old. That was a figure of speech. Oh well, Daniel, I do understand why you said those things. I am so happy you are perfect. Shira
---shira on 4/7/06

shira, On your "reading somewhere that a toys r us in california was closed because of ghost." comment: NO, it was *never* closed, because the stories in 1993 ff. increased sales! 'Urban legend' sites like have many ghost stories including this one! This reminds me: Because the word ghost has such bad connotations, people who read KJV may end up thinking about them whenever they see 'Holy Ghost' or 'gave up the ghost'.
---Daniel on 4/7/06

shira: On 5/1/05 you wrote: "music is mentioned more times in the bible than anything else except for Jesus and salvation." What WOULD you call that statement? Is it factually true? What about the Father's attributes, Scripture (Word, Commandments, Law, etc.), creation, sin, death, war, kings, Israel, prophecy (not Messianic) and on and on?
---Daniel on 4/6/06

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Exzucuh, perhaps you should have laid hands on your dinner and cast that old dragon out. Or maybe it was the spirit of a Rottweiler in your food. You would probably have to live in TN to understand or appreciate that joke.
---Linda on 4/6/06

Fred_S: I did *not* say demons couldn't have any physical effects at all when *inside* a person's body. Demons can do some very harmful things to possessed people and others; including death! What I said was they're never portrayed in Scripture as causing objects to move nor doing things to people when *outside* a living body; except possibly during the latter part of the Tribulation.
---Daniel on 4/6/06

Acts 17:[20] For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
[21] (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
[22] Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
---Stephenie on 4/6/06

someone brought an evil chinese dinner into my home and it made us all sick. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/5/06

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When I answered the post I didn't know it would cause such a rucus. Wow, I won't debate this anymore, but my question still isn't answered. When did I exagerate??? I won't reply to this again.
---shira on 4/5/06

Daniel, that was adequate neither as an explanation nor an apology to Shira.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/5/06

Daniel, in several of your prev. posts, you keep saying demons are not physical. If you look at Mark 9, in verse 18, you see the words: he teareth him, also in verse 25, he rent him sore. Where I come from, that pretty much describes physical abuse from a demon. That's my point.
---Fred_S. on 4/5/06

shira: I want to be sure you've read all I wrote here before I say much more; I'm getting sick of this subject too. Wish to move on to things mentioned in Phil.4:8! ;-) But as to your concern, I've already been chosen by God for salvation and it's why I love the LORD very much! I see now you've had some very painful experiences in this life, and I'm sorry if you thought I was trying to be offensive; I'm not, just trying to stand by what I see in Scripture and know about His Creation!
---Daniel on 4/5/06

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Jeffery, I am so sorry I said you accused me to exageration. It was Daniel. He still hasn't told me how I exagerate anything because I never have. Shira
---shira on 4/5/06

Daniel, it is thought by scholors and I mean top notch bible scholors that the thorn in the flesh of Paul was his poor eyesight. We know he could not see well and yet God inspired him to write most of the New Testiment. To be perfectly honest, Paul did not say what the thorn was so all you can do is speculate just like everyone else.
---shira on 4/5/06

Daniel, that was what I was trying to explain. A thorn to the ministry of Paul. Which in turn was a thorn on Paul. I believe people think it was some kind of sharp object attacking Paul but not literally. Its like, when a child is disobedient all the time, they become a thorn on our side. That kind of thorn. In Pauls case, his ministry. And God was behind it all, and did not remove it, but supplied sufficient grace for him to endure, as Jesus did.
---Lupe2618 on 4/5/06

Fred_S: Glad you posted again, because it reminded me of something you said earlier on "witchcraft!" First, as to Mark 9, seems fairly straightforward to me; person possessed by a demon. What in particular are you wondering about it?

On all this 'casting spells' stuff: Makes sense that it can sometimes work; why? 'Cuz the demon who hears it can get other demons to carry out acts by the humans they possess or can easily influence!
---Daniel on 4/5/06

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I'd like to hear your understanding of Mark 9:17-29.
---Fred_S. on 4/5/06

mimam(Mima?): Lupe already commented on 2Cor.7:1, but I'll add that this "thorn in the flesh" has all the indications of being figurative speech, just as we might say 'he stabbed me in the back.' There was, however, at least one 'demon' ("messenger of satan") that was involved, but he did so by entering the false teacher(s) that came to Corinth to disrupt the church there. And that was how he caused this trouble for Paul! Not physically.
---Daniel on 4/5/06

[*4*] I did find one verse which might imply demons can use objects in the physcial realm outside humans: Rev.16:14. But this is just before the Final conflict, "Har-Magedon" at the end of earth's history! My posts here are about the present age. [END]
---Daniel on 4/5/06

[*3*] Now here's a key passage: Matthew 8:31 says, "The demons began to entreat Him, saying, 'If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine'." This is the only example I found where demons were inside animals and they didn't last long; the swine drown! Why didn't these demons 'jump into' some thing? What happened to them after the pigs died? This implies they must wait around on some 'spirit plane' before finding another person to possess; and hate that.
---Daniel on 4/5/06

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[*2*] And satan works in those at high levels of world governments to formulate laws against Believers! He's def. had a hand in Roman, Muslim, Nazi, Communist, etc. leadership throughout their histories. But especially in false religions; including any using the name 'Christian' too! So, yes, I believe demons do whatever they can against the Body of Christ.

But search the whole New Testament for every occurance of 'demon' and you'll find they were always inside people!
---Daniel on 4/5/06

[*1*] Clarifications: I definitely believe demons roam around in people; sometimes they'll show themselves to Believers who oppose them, or end the life of the person they possess. However, they'll often cleverly work in someone's mind not only increasing evil but using them for more devious purposes! They spend little or no time at all in most people's lives, since they're already addicted to wealth, power (over others) or various sins of the flesh.
---Daniel on 4/5/06

Daniel, what do you think about magicians? I don't mean the ones who deceive the eye with quickness, but the magician who can fool the heart? What do you think about voo doo? What do you think about black magic? They are all demonic just like pharoh's rod, but you see, God is greater and He proved that with Pharoh. God wins out every time. He has already won the war at Calvary. The demons of hell have lost the war already so they are on a rampage to take everyone with them. I pray he won't take you.
---shira on 4/5/06

[=3=] Question: If satan had been involved in this, don't you think he's smart enough to have had them turn at least some of the Nile water back again? To remove frogs, not 'make' more! It doesn't even say they 'called on' any of their gods! So I don't see any demons here at all, only the feeble brainpower of those magicians who were soon put out of a job by our Almighty God!
---Daniel on 4/5/06

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[=2=] how much water did they 'do the same' with? Neither does it say how many frogs they 'made come up on land' nor how! I can even imagine some tricks they could have used. Then at 8:18f., we read they could NOT create gnats from dust; even though a 'slight of hand trick' wouldn't be all that difficult to do, so perhaps God miraculously ruined their plans to fake that! Thus the reason they 'gave up' and told Pharaoh "This is the finger of God."
---Daniel on 4/5/06

[=1=] shira: Read my '[2]' post on 4/4/06 again. This is Ex.7:9ff. Pharaoh's magicians likely faked God's real miracles by 'trickery' (text merely describes what people saw). Why would God allow that? Two reasons: 1) So Pharaoh's heart would be "hardened" to not let them go, 2) To graphically prove to everyone that He alone is GOD! The snake that Aaron's staff turned into "swallowed up" all the others! Likewise, with the whole Nile already turned to blood,... [cont.]
---Daniel on 4/5/06

Remember when God told Moses to smite the rod and it turned into a snake? Did Pharoah's turn into a snake also? What do you think was the reason for Pharoah's rod turning into a snake?
---shira on 4/4/06

We should be careful in not giving the enemy more credit then he deserves. For he deserves nothing. I have seen many Christians that live their lives always fighting demons in every corner. If something goes wrong in life it is the devil. Things will happen to us and God has given us enough of His word to sustain us in our Christian walk. We are to defend ourselves each day but not in fear but in Christ. If we understand grace, we will know many times our thorns have a purpose.
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

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4. I believe we should look at each thing that happens to us in light of what God tells us. Casting out demons is not what its all about all the time. many times as Daniel has said, it will be because God allowed that to happen, maybe for the same purpose as Paul's. God tells us, in that passage, "My strength is made perfect in weakness. The weaker the human instrument, the more clearly God's grace shines forth.
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

3. of Paul's request parallels that of Jesus in Gethsemane (Mark 14:32-41). Both Paul and Jesus had their requests denied, but were granted grace to endure their ordeals. For verse 12:9 tells us, "My grace is sufficient for you." Here the present tense of the verb translated "is sufficient" reveals the constant availability of divine grace. God would not remove the thorn, as Paul requested, but would continually supply him with grace to endure it. (1 Cor. 15:10; Phil. 4:13; Col. 1:29).
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

2. The demonized false apostle attacking his work in Corinthians was the stake being driven through his otherwise proud flesh. Paul, longing for relief from this painful hindrance to his ministry, went to his Lord, begging Him (the use of the definite article with "Lord" shows Paul's prayer was directed to Jesus) to remove it. The demons are only subject to His authority. Now here is Paul with this thorn and he cannot get it away from himself, let alone one of us now. The 3-fold repetition
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

Mimam, The verb "buffet" always refers to ill treatment from other people (Matt.26:67; Mark 14:65; 1 Cor. 4:11; 1 Peter 2:20). In the Old Testament describes Irael's personal opponents as thorns (Num.33:55; Josh.23:13; Judg. 2:3; Ezek. 28:24). The assault on Paul was painful, but purposeful. God was allowing Satan to bring this severe trouble in the church for the purpose of humbling Paul who, having had so many revelations, including a trip to heaven and back, would have been proud.
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

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2. In the cases where Satan speaks, we should remember that he mixes thruth with lies. So what he says is not truth at all. The example I gave was for Descriptive passages. Like the ones Satan spoke in Eden and the one to Jesus and others.
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

George, just something to remember when reading scripture. We need to know if the passage is descriptive or prescriptive truth. Descriptive passages relate what was said or what is happening at a particular time. "What God says in Scripture, is always true; What man says, may or may not be true; What Satan says, usually mixes truth and error. When Scripture describes human actions without comment, it should not neccessarily be assumed that those actions are approved.
---Lupe2618 on 4/4/06

George I am sorry for the way you feel. You did not choose God, He chose you. A born again person is chosen of God and he is saved by conviction of the heart. You sound like you are man made. shira
---shira on 4/4/06

George, the man who thinketh himself wise is a fool. shira
---shira on 4/4/06

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continued: then one night when she was talking with him trying to get him to go to sleep 2 scratches appeared on his face and blood ran down his face, then she believed him and prayed to God to bless and clean her house and she has not had a problem since.
---eliza4969 on 4/4/06

Daniel- Things like what happenend to shira do happen they have happened to me in my life and one of my friends who is also a christian, her son kept telling her that a monster was bothering him he would hear evil growls and scratching him at night and he was afraid to go to sleep she thought it was just him being a kid not wanting to go to sleep.
---eliza4969 on 4/4/06

Danlel, I'll take any kind of correction by the Word of God but I don't like someone telling me "I already fell for Satans tactics" when that person is speaking from his own beliefs. I know my Master's voice and when Satan is in operation by discernment. If evil spirits don't affect inanimate objects how do you explain the raising of a table and it's answering questions by knocking on the floor. You better wake up, you are ripe for the picking,to be deluded,or seduced by Satans tricks.
---Darlene_1 on 4/4/06

1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
---Bruce5656b on 4/4/06

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Satan had me because I chose the darkness. God has me because I chose to change and turn from the darkeness. Job 28:28 says "And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." Fear of satan is just one of his tools as are all emotions except love. I chose end satan's power over me and dedicated myself to God rendering satan impotent. He comes after me always but I simply send him away. He is now laughable to me.
---George on 4/4/06

Daniel if you'll read the second Corinthians 12:7, and you would concede that a messenger of Satan is an evil spirit, and concede that the word buffet here used means hit, you'll have your answer to your question, where in Scripture to evil spirits literally hit you.
---mimam on 4/4/06

How is it that satan offered to give Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth if he didn't already have them in his pocket? We are "owned" by whichever we choose. Choose God and live in paradise, choose satan and the lake of fire is your new home.
---George on 4/4/06

shira: Well Google "music" and "old testiment" [exactly that spelling] if you need to recall one! But Amen! that you don't think much about evil! We should heed Paul's advice: "whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things." [Philippians 4:8]
---Daniel on 4/4/06

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Job 2:3,5 says, "...although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. 4 And Satan answered Jehovah, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. 5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face." The only power satan has is temptation, we choose how we react to him. Just send him away and laugh at his foolishness. There's no danger in him, only in believing he has power which he doesn't.
---George on 4/4/06

shira (and everyone): When Jesus refers to satan as "ruler of this world" (John 16:11), that doesn't mean he owns the physical earth! What he does 'control' (by default) are the humans that reject God! The word "world" ('kosmos') can easily refer to the 'order of things' in this present age; only 'ge' (Strong's# 1093; John 3:31) is for sure the physical earth. Who really owns the earth? 1 Corinthians 10:26: "FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS."
---Daniel on 4/4/06

Darlene: You've already fallen for satan's tactics thinking demons affect physical objects. What he "devours" are people's souls! State examples of what "methods" I've "underestimated"? YES, of course he can 'oppress' us; it's happened to me too! E.g., someone I cared about and took to many Bible studies, one day said "I'll never believe in Christ!" That hurt plenty! So do physical attacks by evil humans; but where in Scripture do evil spirits literally hit you?
---Daniel on 4/4/06

You know, There is one word that I never see used by anyone is WITCHCRAFT. There is a lot of it practiced, and it's not in the form of pointy nosed ladies dressed in black, cooking in a coldren. Voodoo is a form of witchcraft for example. Words we speak against someone else, as in I wish he were dead, I wish he would loose his job, etc. These are forms of witchcraft, without the mombo jumbo that we perceive.
---Fred_S. on 4/4/06

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For all naive enough to doubt what Shira shared you better wakeup and take a better look at the enemy. It can happen and anyone who doubts can easily fall into Satan's trap. There are many things I may not know or understand but I'm not foolish enough to underestimate the enemy or his methods. The Bible warns us,Satan goes to and fro through the land like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
---Darlene_1 on 4/4/06

cont....Please don't under estimate the power of satan and his demons. he did TRY to tempt Jesus by offering him the whole world. . Satan is very real and he will oppress and attack christians when he can. I pray a hedge around my house and my children and their families. thanks for your input, but you never did tell me how I have exaggerated in the past. I really do need to know what you are talking about. Shira 5965
---shira on 4/4/06

Daniel, I do not know why these things happened. All I know is, they did happen. The keyboards were (if I can remember correctly) about $15.00 each and was battery powered. We even took the batteries out and they still played songs that were not programmed. I can't explain it, but it did indeed happen. I don't dwell on evil. I dwell on God and how good He has been to me.You can believe what you want, but there was evil there that night and several other nights before. cont...
---shira on 4/4/06

[8] Note: Most TV sets have circuits that can make them appear to turn on by themselves when they start to go bad!). Shira, I'd still like to know as others asked, what did your "shower" have to do with any of this?! And for what reason would God have allowed it to happen?! He's really in control of everything! It's not Christianity, but rather Zoroastrianism and later Gnosticism that held the idea of 'good' and 'evil' eternally struggling with each other. [END]
---Daniel on 4/4/06

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[7] Oh, that reminds me, in my last post; I should've said yes, there _is_ one way 'mind over matter' is real: Your fears (of demons, the future, whatever) can make your _own_ body sick! I've also seen what 'panic' and thoughts about evil (not only evil thoughts) can do to a persons mind and senses. I'm sure it made you feel better to destroy those keyboards, but wish I could have examined them (many people know so little about electronic components, such as capacitors!
---Daniel on 4/4/06

[6] and rather talking about evil instead! satan's been working on stuff like this for centuries, getting people he can influence (or possess) to write stories and books full of lies about how 'incantations' can physically affect the world and people in it. The only way they do affect people are inside their minds, which can cause sickness through unfounded fears!
---Daniel on 4/4/06

[5] Once again though, that wasnt a case of demons or even satan moving inorganic physical objects!

shira, please don't think I'm upset in some way with you in particular! There are MANY thousands who think such things, and I'm feeling 'righteously indignant' with the whole false teaching that gives demons more due than theyll ever deserve. Far too many have been 'taken it' by what are really satanic plots to get them spending less time worshiping God and sharing the Gospel,...
---Daniel on 4/4/06

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