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A Required National ID

9/11 changed our lives forever. We are now required to have a national ID. Anyone here going to refuse it or try to have this stopped?

Moderator - What national ID? We all ready have Social Security numbers and passports. Are you referring to something different? Explain in detail.

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Nellah, I've not heard of Americans being required to have a national identity card, and I've lived in the USA all my life!

There's a lot of paranoia and chickenlittleism among American evangelicals that is NOT spiritually healthy.

A devouring interest in gloom, doom, and rumors of boom is way too widespread.
---Jack on 5/7/06


NVBarbara--Identity theft and homeland security are reasons given for having passed this bill. I'm not sure how much this will help because it makes more personal information available to more people. Don't think it will be long before identity theives have RFID scanners illegally. Even people who don't drive need a picture ID and most get a card from their DMV. I think it may reduce some types of fraud. Passports are also required to have the same features and that may be a good thing.
---Donna2277 on 4/6/06


Perhaps this has something to do with identity theft, which is rampant in the U.S.
Many don't drive, so they may have no valid ID. If you are pulled over by a cop, they run your license through the 'reader' in their cars and the strip on the back gives them all info on you.
---NVBarbara on 4/6/06


#2--The RFID technology is already in use by all major credit card companies and on heavily traveled toll roads in the form of "EZ Passes"
Though the Real ID Act was passed by Congress in 2005, its received little publicity. Interestingly enough, RFID-proof wallets have already been developed, with plans to market them soon. Supposedly the wallet shields the card from radio frequencies. Numerous organizations are protesting the REAL ID with petitions etc. Check internet for more info.
---Donna2277 on 4/5/06


#1 Alan of UK-- That is not part of the REAL ID Act in the U.S.. so far. The only requirement here is that data be "machine readable"...could be magnetic strip, bar code or RFID. RIFD is Radio Frequency Identification. This is yet to be decided by the Dept. of Homeland Security.
Global positioning might come later. (Wouldn't surprise me) But RFID is bad enough. It allows personal information to be transferred from the card without the users knowledge or permission.
---Donna2277 on 4/5/06




Moderator, this is a system of identifying all Americans. Different from SS cards, etc.
---Nellah on 4/5/06


Donna .. there are plans already that GPS will be used to track vehicle movements.
Only a small scientific development would be needed to enable identy cards to be tracked by GPS
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/5/06


Fortunately, they are not planning anything like use of global positioning in the ID. I think the standarized drivers license is a first step to other invasive tech features though. Once people get used to having their drivers license scanned to obtain information about them, just a few small changes, touted as safety features, would be easier to introduce. So far they just have a computer database to collect, and share, information.
---Donna2244 on 4/5/06


Linda, from what I understand, it will be possible to be tracked so closely that they could tell us what we are wearing. Getting a little too close for comfort ... no driver's license, no drive, etc. no job w/out ID, etc. Katherine Albrecht writes how easily it will be to track our every movement. Is this true?
---Nellah on 4/4/06


Since the national ID in the United States will be your drivers license, it will be very hard to refuse...unless you are willing to give up driving. (hey, that would solve a lot of other problems too, over dependence on oil, pollution, proliferation of expensive new highways..:-)) I doubt if more than a handful of people will refuse it.
There are many, however, who are working to get the REAL ID Act rescinded, or at least changed before it actually goes into effect.
---Donna2277 on 4/4/06




As I understand it, the REAL ID Act was already approved by Congress in 2005. Got slipped into a defense bill somehow. Requires standarization of all drivers licenses in the U.S. and will require states to make their data available through a "common machine readable technology". Individual states are now discussing how to implement it within the next 3 yrs. It will be available to U.S. citizens only. It is touted to increase national security, but it appears there is a lot of opposition.
---Donna2277 on 4/2/06


What problems are we going to encounter as private individuals if we are to have a national ID? Can the one who posted this blog delineate the cons of having a national ID?
---Linda6546 on 4/2/06


In Revelation 3:10 the Bible says I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. I believe the scripture here is talking about our not being tempted to take the mark of the beast. We could escape temptation if we were raptured. Praise the Lord. Oh happy day.
---mima on 4/2/06


I just did a web search on national I.D. I got a few websites on the subject and the goverment is discussing whether to do it or not and Bush has said if it becomes law it will be a manditory thing. CEO Larry Ellison of the software company said he will give the software for free, and I think it's odd that the name of the software is "Oracle"
---eliza4969 on 4/2/06


Mod, there are countries that require a national ID card. I believe the UK is proposing it. Nellah must be from another country than the US.

Moderator - I agree she must be UK as Alan is correct that the UK is in the process.
---Madison on 4/2/06


Moderator ... I think Nellah may be referring to the UK, where ID carda are going to be introduced. The immediate justification is the risk of terrorist attacks, but I think in any case the government would want to do this.
There is fear that it will cut our freedom. My own view is that if I have nothing to hide why worry about havibg an ID card? But there is the risk and likelihood of snooping on many areas of our lives
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/2/06


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It wasn't 9/11 that changed my life forever. It was Jesus. Why would we need to refuse or try to have this new ID stopped? This isn't anything new, really.
---Linda on 4/2/06


I haven't heard of that one. I will cooperate with my country as long as it isn't against The Word of God. We have that already just as the other post says. If our borders weren't open to every tom, dick and harry, 911 would never have happened.
---shira on 4/2/06


Yes we will have national I.D. cards. The immigration squabble is part and parcel Of bringing this about. We can expect no real regulation at our borders. This is all part of great "tolerant" religion of our time. Reading Bible history you will notice that God was hardly tolerant with every belief Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist you name it.
---mima on 4/2/06


First you must study and understand scripture. All these things are leading up to the mark of the beast. The true mark will not be given until the beast comes into power. Before that happens, ALL born again believers will be gone. (Rapture) After the born again are gone, then the Anti-Christ will be reveiled. So when you see these things happening, realize we can be raptured anytime.
---Rev_Herb on 4/2/06


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