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If a person has a strong desire for a certain gift for example the "gifts of healing", would it be permissible for that person to initiate the contact with the person who needed healing?

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1 Corinthians 4:
1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

1 Corinthians 12:
30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongue? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/9/07

I guess you can do what ever you want. It will not hurt anyone. Jesus did not seek people to heal however. They sought Him. Have you questioned your strong desire to heal? From what motive it is of? If it is to bring glory to God, I do not see why God would not grant such a desire. If it is to look great in the eyes of man or for gain of some kind then who knows? "To whom much is given, much is required". Pray and search inside.:)
---jody_martin on 9/9/07

According to God's word all believers have the gift of healing. Mark 16:17-18b "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them, they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Notice it says, those who have believed. Do you believe?
---denna7667 on 9/9/07

If one desires and seeks the gift of healing, the devil will surely give it to you. A gift is something that God gives to the ones He will, not something He gives because we want it. If God wants you to have a gift, He will give it. He gave me the gift of preaching and it was not something I wanted.
---Rev_Herb on 9/9/07

Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.All healing is done by the Grace of God you have to first receive that grace before you can give it away . when peter healed the lame man out side the temple he gave him such as he had, it was grace that comes from faith in the name of Jesus. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/5/06

Moderator-My gripe is not with God healing, He does heal when it suits his purpose, my gripe is with people seeking the gift of healing to heal people. I wish I had the gift of healing, but I have see people healed through prayer without anyone touching them. If we really want to see someone healed, we should pray and fast for those people. Then God can get the glory and not man.

Moderator - I have seen many people healed over the years by the laying on of hands. I would go to a church service having already fasted for a day, prayer and reading the Word. Before praying for someone, frequently I would ask if they had accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and was blessed to lead many to the Lord which is the greatest miracle of all - salvation. At times, the Holy Spirit would reveal unrepented sin in a person's life and they were given time to repent. There has been no formula and no two situations have been the same except praying for others only after fasting and prayer. God's answer to healing - Yes, No or Later.
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06

This question arose because of a conversation I had yesterday with a dear friend of mine. Perhaps I worded the question wrong. The question seeks to find out whether or not a person who desires a certain gift should(are is it permissible to) initiate contact with people needing the benefits of that gift?
---mima on 4/5/06

I apologize, Moderator. The question as it was posed threw me off. I misunderstood the phrase "desire for a certain gift for example the gifts of healing" as asking about all gifts. My mistake. I also made a mistake by thinking that your (or another moderator) question (which I was answering with my question) "Do you think knowledge has vanished?" (which is not about healing) was literal rather than rhetorical. My apologies. I am new here and appreciate this blog service.

Moderator - God bless :)
---chris on 4/5/06

Moderator, Great job of unpacking that. We cannot control God/the Holy Spirit. It is not because of us, it is because God chooses to manifest Himself that way, and sometimes chooses to use flawed vessels. I agree that the healing "ministries" of today are suspect, and are very man centered rather than God centered. It is not the vessel that deserves worship, but the Creator. Too bad these puffed up men and women give healing and even Christianity a bad name.
---daphn8897 on 4/5/06

Moderator, Do you posess the knowledge of the apostles? Do you really think that we have teachers in this day that have that knowledge? I think God gave them amazing insights into things that we can not fathom while alive on this earth. How many of todays teachers see visions like John wrote of in Revelation, surely we would know much more about the second coming if we had such gifts.

Moderator - Please open a different blog if you have different questions, as this blog is about Gifts of Healing not "amazing insights" and "second coming".
---chris on 4/5/06

Moderator-Who were these sign gifts for, The unbelieving Jew or the Gentiles? Yes, God heals today, but does not the bible say we are to call for the elders of the church and be anointed with oil and they lay there hands on us that we should be healed. Or does the bible tell us to seek out a faith healer and go see him?

Moderator - I go with the Book of James. Sounds like your issue isn't God using the Holy Spirit through a person to heal is the issue, but the idea of a healing ministry? As we can't control the Holy Spirit, but instead must be lead of the Holy Spirit, I also question the idea of a healing ministry especially the typical one's today. However, if someone is in a church and nobody has the faith to pray for them when they are sick, I can understand seeking out prayer for healing as the concept is 100% Biblical.
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06

Moderator-1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Moderator - Do you think knowledge has vanished? Perfect is Jesus Christ and He hasn't returned a second time yet. Once Christ comes a second time, none of the 9 Spiritual Gifts will be needed because the Kingdom of Heaven is perfect.
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06

Herb, The gift of tongues/languages did not necessarily cease during that time. There are many reasons why it may not have been written about. God's Spirit has never ceased to move through and for His people. Chris, your theory is still based on a non-scriptural assumption - that scripture itself is that which was to be complete. Go overseas - and see how His Spirit still manifests.
---daphn8897 on 4/5/06

And you can do this wes? Restore vision to a blind man? Cure palsy, leukemia?
---chris on 4/5/06

God wants us give us the gift of healing. He wants us to lay hands on others and heal them, just as Jesus did. I don't know why you keep saying that it is not God's will for someone to have the gift. However, if we are not obedient to God's word, then we don't get his blessings, one of which is healing. God wants to use people who give him the glory for the healings, not ones who would draw attention to themselves.
---wes on 4/5/06

If it isn't God's will, then he won't give anyone any gifts. These gifts are for today. All these gifts are in us through Jesus Christ. We just need to believe and have faith that we can do these. Jesus said that we would do what he has done and more. Alot of people misuse their gifts for their pleasure, not God's. They glorify themselves, and not God. Those people give a bad name for the rest of us that use these gifts for God's glory.
---Rebecca_D on 4/5/06

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Not all of the Spritual gift exist today some were temporary for starting the church. Several gifts ceased after the apostles. Even in Pauls latter years, he told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach sake instead of just healing him. Tongues had ceased after the apostles untill about the 1901 when it was revised. What happen to tongues between the apostles and 1901. Was the Holy Spirit not working then?

Moderator - Show the scriptures.
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06

daphn8897 - "That which is perfect" is contrasted to "that which is in part" (spiritual gifts). "That which is perfect" in some sense completes or perfects that which is incomplete ("in part") about spiritual gifts. The gifts were then in the process of delivering the will of God. The reason for the gifts was to reveal the message of God, so when the scriptures were complete, direct revelation was no longer needed, so they ceased.

Moderator - Show the scriptures.
---chris on 4/5/06

That word "perfect" in 1 Cor.13 is "mature" and refers to the whole body coming into the unity of the faith, unto a "perfect" man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. In other words, the church has reached full maturity in Him.
---Linda on 4/5/06

The Corinthian arrogance was not His fault either, though He gave every one of those gifts to those people. Are you suggesting that God is the author of the sin of pride or still trying to prove the devil gives the gift of healing?
---Linda on 4/5/06

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"Have I not gone against God's will because it was not his will I do this. Where did the healing come from? God went against his will to give it to me?"

God is Jehovah-Rapha, the God who heals and His nature and character have never changed. It is always His will that we be healed and whole. And He never goes against His will so if He gave you the gift and you became prideful, that is not His fault.
---Linda on 4/5/06

"What a great man of God I become, because I can heal people. Have I not become pridefull?"

You maybe but not one who truly knows who does the actual healing. I have laid hands on someone and they were healed....I was too amazed to be full of pride and it was the Spirit of God who gave me the Word to speak to that person. Had not the Spirit given me the Word, there would have been no result. There again, no pride. Just confidence.
---Linda on 4/5/06

"Lets say I seek and ask God for the gift of healing, I desire it with all my heart, but is is not God's will."

"This is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us; and if He hear us, then we have the petitions we have asked of Him."

That Scripture should answer your question about receiving according to His will. He never goes against His own will so if He gave you the gift, it was His will.
---Linda on 4/5/06

Chris, Though gifts have been misused - that doesn't mean they don't exist anymore. And, scripture is not that which is perfect - though it is 100% God's Word, it is not all there is to God. He alone is complete. As long as there is still sin - that which is perfect/complete has not yet come in fulfillment of that scripture.
---daphn8897 on 4/5/06

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Rev. Herb, Your statement that the gifts don't exist today is not correct. However, your reference to Mr. Hinn being suspect is. And, I would say that misuse should and must not lead to disuse. God has often given me specific insite about a person or situation - things I could not know by being "bright" or figuring out. I agree that many use God's gifts/gifts of the Spirit to glorify themselves, but they will be held accountable - God will not be mocked.
---daphn8897 on 4/5/06

M.P.-I find much encouragement in your answer and will act on your suggestion the very next time I have an intense desire to pray for someone to be healed. One of the things that is very puzzling is why so much compassion for those that need healing, when so little compassion is acted upon by those who knows God heals.

Moderator - Are you referring to compassion of the Holy Spirit or people on these blogs?
---mima on 4/5/06

Part 1: Wes, forgive me. I do not want to sound like I am coming down on anyone who believes that these gifts are for today. I personally dont believe so, but I know that I may be wrong. I definately have a lot of growing and learning to do.
---chris on 4/5/06

Part 2: I do know that the one gift that is certain is the gift of Christ Jesus. The penalties for all our sins has been paid and all we have to do is choose to receive the gift. This is where I want to place my focus. Sharing the message of Christ and helping others come know how they can be born again.

In Romans 14:1 Paul tells us not to dispute over doubtful things.
---chris on 4/5/06

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Just a thought; Benny Hinn is the Pastor of a Church, wouldn't that make him an Elder in the Church and thus fulfill the verse to call for the elders to pray for the sick? Whatever Hinn is or does he is winning more souls and there has to be some true healings out of that many,I have no proof they aren't all true,so actually he is doing more for the Kingdom than most people do. God takes imperfect human beings,warts and all, and uses them for His glory. Let he who is perfect cast the first stone.
---Darlene_1 on 4/5/06

Lets say I seek and ask God for the gift of healing, I desire it with all my heart, but is is not God's will. I ask I beg I pleed till I get it. Now I can heal, I lay hands on every one I meet and heal them. What a great man of God I become, because I can heal people. Have I not become pridefull? Have I not gone against God's will because it was not his will I do this. Where did the healing come from? God went against his will to give it to me?
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06

How about raising the dead, can we do that today? I think Paul could: Acts 20:9-12
---chris on 4/5/06

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

It does not say "ALL" in that scripture. Besides, if that were true anyway, then why arent there born again christians all over the world performing miracles? I mean that was the reason for the gifts was to show signs and wonders so they who see will know it is of God. Also, should we become snake handlers too?
---chris on 4/5/06

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Mima, if you knew of someone who needs healing, even though they haven't asked you to help them, but you have that strong desire that you refer to I think that you should make the contact. The strong desire will be God telling you something about this person's needs and He will guide you all the way if you let Him. The end result might be that person being healed with you as the intermediary. God leads, we follow, He brings about the result according to His will.
---M.P. on 4/5/06

Herb, do you mean? (coming from the devil) us taking the credic for healing. We become vain and puffed up. Drawing attention to ourselves. Jesus will say, "depart from me I never knew you". Am I right?
---wayne on 4/5/06

I have also prayed the the Lord for this.I also ask the lord To allow me to lay hands on people for there healing but he kneaw i wasnt
'i wasn's able to handle at that time
---Betty on 4/5/06

Chris, the New Testament or New Covenant hasn't ended. Testament or covenant is like a contract. God has signed the contract with the blood of Jesus. We are in the latter part of the New Testament called the grace period. 1Corinthians 13 is right between 12 and 14 giving an explaination for the use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He, the Holy Spirit, is still here with us and in us as well as His gifts. Tongues are for today as well as the signs & wonders that Jesus talked about.
---Rickey on 4/4/06

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Brother Herb I dont think the devil would ever give a gift of healing because he came to "kill, steal, and destroy" not to "heal". The devil like a roaring lion seeking whom he can devour.
---Dennis on 4/4/06

Mark 16:18 says that for ALL those who believe shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Jesus isn't just talking to the original 12 disciples. And Herb, this also talks about speaking in tongues. People can look at evangelists and call them fakes and say their healing is from the devil, but you know, that's what they did to Jesus too. In Matthew 12, they accused Jesus of casting out demons from power from Satan, and he warned against blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!
---wes on 4/4/06

Herb, I asked the question I did for the purpose of causing you to think. You seeem to give more glory out of your mouth (and fingers) to the devil than you do to our Father in heaven. If all you do is focus on the devil, then naturally you are going to find him hiding around every corner. People who look for Jesus find Him. God is the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. The devil is a thief and adds nothing to the believer. All he does is steal, kill, and destroy.
---Linda on 4/4/06

In the OT, no man was born again and God had to deal with them in their flesh. That is not the case in the NT. We are disciplined by the Word and the conviction of the Holy Ghost in our spirit man. If there be anything in the flesh that is not manifesting the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, it is not because God is striking man with it. It is just the natural outworking of unbelief.
---Linda on 4/4/06

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What Paul was actually saying was that people would become stiffnecked and resist the Holy Ghost just like the Jews,the Holy Ghost is our teacher without his gifts knowledge would pass away and tongues would cease, he said forbid not to speak with tongues,but if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant. so be ignorant I will let you. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/4/06

The bible says seek ye the good gifts, then why do so many seek tongues when it is the least. There were permanent gifts and temporary gifts, healing, tongues prophecy being some of the temporary. So why seek something that was temporary? It does not exist today. God says we are to call for the elders of the church to anoint us with oil and pray for us when we are sick. Not this flim flam stuff like Benny Hinn
---Rev_Herb on 4/4/06

Wes, Re 1 Cor. 13:8-13
Jesus' coming fits neither the context nor Paul's logic. The 3 spiritual gifts listed prophecy tongues and knowledge are also contrasted to 3 abiding qualities: faith hope and love. The spiritual gifts are temporary, they cease "when that which is perfect" is come. But faith hope and love are abiding compared to the gifts. They dont cease "when that which is perfect" is come. This cannot refer to Jesus' second coming, because faith and hope will cease.
---chris on 4/4/06

yes, it does suit my doctrine and is referring to the Word of God that had not at that time been completed.

I do believe that God has gifts for us today, but not abilities to work wonders and miracles. I am completely willing to change my mind if you can show me a person that exists today that possesses a single gift like the apostles had.

Although if one came along like that, I would probably be thinking anti-christ.
---chris on 4/4/06

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I stand corrected. Most sickness comes from the devil. God did stricken Saul with blindness on the way to Damascus to get his attention.
---wes on 4/4/06

Mr Herb say " one desires and seeks the gift of healing, the devil will surely give it to you". I never heard of someone praying to God from something and getting something from the devil instead.
---Ashton on 4/4/06

Chris, It is talking about when Jesus comes again. That scripture also talks about prophecy and knowledge ending to, but you have just picked out a portion of that scripture to suit your doctrine.
---wes on 4/4/06

This gift of the tongues was to end when the New Testament was completed. This was stated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:8-13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away...
---chris on 4/4/06

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Part II--the gift of healing is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12)--the others being prophesy, speaking in tongues, and a few others. Some people though don't beleive these gifts exist today for some reason.
---wes on 4/4/06

Rev Herb, Paul does tell us to desire/pursue the gifts, "Even so, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church." I Cor. 14:12 - but, you are right that He decides to whom He will give.
---daphn8897 on 4/4/06

Wes, "The devil is the cause of all sickness, so he would never be the answer too, or that would be a house divided against itself, which cannot stand according to Jesus." What about Miriam when she accused Moses and the Lord struck her with Leprosy. What about the Lord striking those in Sodom and Gomorah with blindness, and then ultimately destroying them and the city? God's ways are not our ways. We cannot even begin to wrap our finite minds around why He does things the way He does.
---daphn8897 on 4/4/06

Wes, I think the devil can decieve you more than you think!
2 Cor. 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
---chris on 4/4/06

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We, as believers, already have the authority and power to lay hands on the sick and they recover. Jesus said that that is one of the signs that will follow those who believe. (Mark 16:17-20) So go out and get some folks healed. Speaking the word heals folks too. Remember the centurion, he told Jesus to speak the word only and his servant would be healed.(Matthew 8:5-13) Also in that chapter Jesus touched the woman's hand and she was healed. The things that Jesus did shall we also do & greater works.
---Rickey on 4/4/06

I have to disagree with Herb. The devil will never give you a gift of healing. The devil is the cause of all sickness, so he would never be the answer too, or that would be a house divided against itself, which cannot stand according to Jesus.
---wes on 4/4/06

Herb, is your Father God or is it the devil? The two Scriptures above obviously make mention of asking our Father in heaven for good things...and goes on to say that surely He will give them to those that ask. I have the assurance that if I ask my Father for anything at all, it won't be the devil answering my prayer. The Bible tells me so.
---Linda on 4/4/06

"Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall *your Father which is in heaven* give *good things to them that ask him*?"

"Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall *your heavenly Father* give the Holy Spirit *to them that ask him*? "
---Linda on 4/4/06

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Your answer is in I Cor 12
---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06

God said that he will give us the desires of our heart. If this person's desire is the gift of healing, then in God's time, he will give them this gift. It is not the work of Satan. Satan won't give someone a gift to good with it. But I wouldn't seek to heal this person unless he/she knows for sure they have it. but that shouldn't stop them for laying hands on them and praying for them.
---Rebecca_D on 4/4/06

Rev Herb: in first Corinthian scripture says, "but covet earnestly the best gifts"so my question could be, may I come the gifts healing? Certainly I see no mention of Satan in the statement above about coveting.
---mima on 4/4/06

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