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Why Are Christians Baptized

Which is true?:

A. We are baptized because
we are saved. (An act of obedience and testimony.)

B. We are saved because we repent AND are baptized. (It is not simply a matter of obedience but baptism plays some role in our actually becoming a Christian.)

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 ---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06
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Jack B -- I think you may be mis-interpeting Calvinist doctrine. I've never heard this "being born of the Holy Ghost before believing in Jesus" from a Calvinist, even on these blogs.

Of the Holy Spirit, the Bible says:

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me,

The Holy Spirit convicts men of their sins. Without being convicted of sin, men cannot repent and place their faith in Jesus.
---Donna66 on 5/15/10


Micha9344. Lets take what you have said a little further. When Peter returned and told the apostles what had take place, his statement in acts 11: 16 tells us he was about to baptize these gentiles yet he remembered the word of the Lord when he said "John truly baptized with water but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit..." He realized God already did the perfect cleansing so how could he improve upon it. Adam tried to cover himself in Eden but God performed the first blood sacrifice and covered him with skins.When are people going to believe "It is finished" You are clothed with Christ within, the final sacrifice. Friend me on facebook, maurice.goulet
---Maurice on 5/15/10


Yeah those verses also put to rest the false belief of some that a person cannot have faith in Jesus Christ without first being born of the Holy Ghost.

That is taught by a Calvanist here.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
---JackB on 5/15/10


Thanks micha and jack,

Whoohoo...scripture to back up conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I've seen the Scrpiture before, but not with opened eyes.
---aka_joseph on 5/14/10


Amen JackB, here is also some that received the HS before they were submersed in water.
Acts 10:44-47 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Also, I didn't notice the apostles being submersed in water, before or after being baptized with the HS.
---micha9344 on 5/14/10




Act 8

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16( For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)


Isnt that enough proof that being submerged in water in the name of Jesus doesnt give you the Holy Ghost?
---JackB on 5/14/10


---Ruben on 4/27/10
Yes, keep on reading the book of Acts: 10:45-50
Do you not see a difference in Acts 2 and Acts 10? Peter did.

Do you see what peter did after acts 10?
Also you might want to read Acts 11:19
---michael_e on 4/27/10


---Ruben,Did everyone of them repent? Do you see any reference to Gentiles?

---michael_e on 4/26/10

Yes, keep on reading the book of Acts: 10:45-50

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the , Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. "

Can any man forbid water , that these should not be baptized , which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."
---Ruben on 4/27/10


Nana on 4/27/10 Look at that michael, you can be a Greek or a female, it makes no difference, I can't see what division you are peddling.

Gal.3:28 IS in the But Now period

Then Peter said unto them,(WHO) Repent, and be baptized every one(HOW MANY?) of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"(Acts 2:38)
This is time past period,try to find greek or female or anything, other you men of Israel here.
---michael_e on 4/27/10


Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Look at that michael, you can be a Greek or a female, it makes no difference, I can't see what division you are peddling.
---Nana on 4/27/10




---Ruben on 4/26/10 But Michael you disagree with both:
I don't disagree with scripture, but I do take note of who is speaking,(Peter Israel's Apostle) who he is speaking to (Israel)and what he is talking about (The offer of an earthly Kingdom to the nation of Israel)
Then Peter said unto them,(WHO) Repent, and be baptized every one(HOW MANY?) of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"(Acts 2:38)
Did everyone of them repent? Do you see any reference to Gentiles?


---michael_e on 4/26/10


Rueben, First of all, we have to believe Peter. Absolutely correct. We also have to believe who he was(one of Israel's Apostle)We also have to believe who our Apostle is (Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles) We also have to believe what he writes about Baptism 1Cor 12:13 Eph 4:5 one Baptism
---michael_e on 4/23/10


But Michael you disagree with both:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"(Acts 2:38)

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."(Acts 22:16)
---Ruben on 4/26/10


Good question, you can get any answer you want. What is the Biblical answer?
---michael_e on 4/26/10


4. contd

he calmly said, "Where is my dad? He did not break eye contact and look around. He did not panic.

I do not know about you, but if a strange face woke me when my dad should, I would panic. So, my son was not looking at a strange face at all.

Was it man and water or was it Spirit and Fire? Considering what Jesus is bringing me through, I would say that the latter is a must, the former is a small part of the latter.
---aka_joseph on 4/25/10


4. After I was once again convinced of water baptism, I went under again. When the new, new, new, new man reemerged, the scene was the same. Nice people were clapping and singing a beautiful hymn. Then, there was "that guy" hanging in the background. "Enjoy it while you can" was all he said.

We live an hour from the church and my kids usually fell asleep on the way. That weekend, I only had my son. When we arrived at home, I had to wake him up. He looked at me wide-awake with the most peaceful look I have ever seen, and he calmly said...to be continued.(125 word limit)
---aka_joseph on 4/24/10


I love these multiple choices, I wish that we had more of them....The answer is A. We are baptised because we are saved [it is an act of obedience and testimony], You are saying to the world or whoever is looking on, that, yes, indeed, I am different. Now, I am saved. I sure wish that more people COULD get ahold of what it REALLY means, to really and TRULY BE SAVED.
---catherine on 4/24/10


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1st Baptism - I am sure it was a nice RCC ceremony.

Bible belt baptisms:

1. Independent baptist - fully immersed in creek behind church, pastor didn't like me, held me under a while.

2. Independent baptist (again) - fully immersed in e-coli infested water, found out the next week.

3. 1st Baptist (inner city) - fully immersed in water tank above congregation, the works, including funeral march to dunkin' pool, never seen so much hoopin' and hollerin', pretty fly for the only white guy.

4. Independent - to be continued...
---aka_joseph on 4/24/10


Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water, but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Eph 4:4-6 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
---MIchael on 4/24/10


Rueben, First of all, we have to believe Peter. Absolutely correct. We also have to believe who he was(one of Israel's Apostle)
We have to believe who he was writing too (Israel) 1Pet 1:1 1Pet 2:9 Ex 19:6

We also have to believe who our Apostle is (Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles) We also have to believe what he writes about Baptism 1Cor 12:13 Eph 4:5 one Baptism
---michael_e on 4/23/10


Ruben on 4/22/10 1 Peter 3:19-20

Who was immersed or sprinkled, who actually got wet??
---michael_e on 4/22/10


Michael:

First of all, we have to believe Peter who said 'eight were saved by water" Secondly v21 says 'like figure' which means a type of, the lamb slain in Ot is type of Jesus and Adam is type of Christ. The water that saved is the type of baptism that Peter says now save us. As the waters of the OT cleared out the sin and iniquity of the world during Noahs time, the waters of baptism clear the conscience, through the power of the resurrection.
---Ruben on 4/23/10


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---Ruben on 4/22/10 1 Peter 3:19-20

"when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water . Baptism , which corresponds to this, now saves you , not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Who was immersed or sprinkled, who actually got wet??
---michael_e on 4/22/10


'B' would my answer according to St John 3:3-5. by water and by spirit. Being saved by water baptism is also talked about throughout the book of Acts. In order to become a Christian baptism by water and by fire plays a very important role.
---Rae77777 on 4/22/10


Baptism plays a role in salvation, but it has nothing to do with water. Anybody can be water baptized, saved, unsaved, young, old.
True salvation happens when you are baptized into the Body of Christ, by the Holy Spirit 1Cor.12:13, not into a body of water by man.
---michael_e on 4/22/10

Water plays a bi part:

1 Peter 3:19-20

"when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water . Baptism , which corresponds to this, now saves you , not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ
---Ruben on 4/22/10


Baptism plays a role in salvation, but it has nothing to do with water. Anybody can be water baptized, saved, unsaved, young, old.
True salvation happens when you are baptized into the Body of Christ, by the Holy Spirit 1Cor.12:13, not into a body of water by man.
---michael_e on 4/22/10


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Bruce: this has been a long debate within the church, it is unlikely to be solved by just a few people chatting [or arguing]. What is, though, clear in the Bible is that the two would almost always go together.

The council of Nicea (the SAME group which God guided to pick the books of the NT) did write in their Creed that 'I beleive in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.

The only proof for this IN the NT is Mark 16:16, a verse that has always been strange to me. Have a look, and tell me why Jesus actually said that
---Peter3594 on 4/22/10


Regarding B, Do you mean,

"We are saved because we repent AND are baptized by man fully immersed in water"

or

"We are saved because we repent and are baptized by Jesus with Fire and the Holy Spirit"?

If it is the latter, I choose B.

But there is a small sticking point. We are saved because not because we do anything, but because of His recognition of our repentance and our full immersion in the fiery furnace of purification according to His Will.
---aka_joseph on 4/22/10


The answer is A. Obdience does not save us nor do cereonies. We are saved by Grace alone through faith alone. It is a gift of GOD.

Faith comes then we follow. If you belive and die before getting baptized you will still wake up at the second coming and go to live with JESUS.
---Samuel on 4/21/10


RCC Baptism

When I was a baby, I once received a sprinkle,
a sprinkle so cold, it made me cry and
it made me tinkle.
I cried so hard,
the ceremony, I did hamper,
but in the sixties,
I was a success
as a test baby for the Pamper.
---aka_joseph on 4/19/10


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Ditto Mima, A is correct.
---larry on 4/19/10


A just correct.
---mima on 4/19/10


Most parts of the Bible seem to support A, but there is Mark 16:16 'He who beleives and is baptized will be saved', which suggests that baptism is part of being saved. It has been a long argument throughout church history
---peter on 4/19/10


B. Because we are saved, & . We accepted & confessed already that our Lord is our saviour & we're taking the next step.
---candice on 4/1/10


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If A is right then B is wrong they both can't be right. Both sound like works.
---michael_e on 4/1/10


A is TRUE. You do NOT get baptised for salvation, or you are just taking another bath. You get baptised to be obedient to God because you are ALREADY saved.
---Leslie on 3/29/10


Jesus:Yehovah is Salvation- Baptism

Matt3:11
I indeed bapize you with water unto repentance:but He That cometh after me is mightier than I,Whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:shall bapize you with the Holy Ghost,and fire:
1Cr1:17
For Christ sent me not to bapize,but to preach the gospel:not with wisdom of words,lest the cross of Christ should be make of none effect.
1jn5:6-8
This is He That came by water and blood,Jesus Christ,not by water only,but by water and blood.And it is the Spirit That beareth witness,because the Spirit is truth.For there are three that bear record in heaven,the Spirit and the Water,and there are three that bear witness in earth,the Spirit,and the water,and the blood:and these threee agree in one.
---char on 3/28/10


It Is obedience & testimony. Mark 16 v 16 -
Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19-20.
There's No one litteraly found in scriptures
that was baptized in the titles Father-Son & Holy spirit. They All were baptized in The Name of The Lord & the Name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ. Colo. 3 v 17.
---Lawrence on 10/30/09


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(1)Baptism is an ordinance of the church instituted by God (2)We are baptized in obedience to God (3)It is a public act, after we are saved and not before ,to let the world(others) know we have made a decision to follow Christ. We go down into a watery grave,so to speak, and bury the old man(the old life) We, then, walk in newness of life. It is a process of change that takes place over a period of time.We should be immersed(under water) in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost(Matt 28)
---Robyn on 10/30/08


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Rhonda:-A vote is a choice in this case of2 since you Xed on a "C" which does not exist you struck out on your Ballot as spoilt,misrepresented.did not count.VOID.Just an observation as a bystander. HE HE HE a joke!
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lol yes i know ...was thinking more in terms of a test ...there should always be a C!!!
---Rhonda on 10/29/08


A is the truth. B is completely wrong. Baptism is a sign of a work of the Holy Spirit. A child is born, or an adult converted and then they are received into the church and we will train the child in the way he or she must go (in the faith) . Without following up, and attending the church a baby's baptism is meaningless. An adult being baptized without repenting is also meaningless because baptism is a sign only. Symbolic. Not powerful in itself.
---frances008 on 10/20/08


Rhonda:-A vote is a choice in this case of2 since you Xed on a "C" which does not exist you struck out on your Ballot as spoilt,misrepresented.did not count.VOID.Just an observation as a bystander. HE HE HE a joke!
---Mic on 10/20/08


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My Answer "B".B/C Repentance is acknowledgement of sins to which we are transgressors.God Abhors sin.
---Mic on 10/19/08


since this is ONLY a multiple choice blog which seems self serving to guide one to a DECIDED conclusion you forgot to mention the choice of "C" which would be neither A or B are true
---Rhonda on 10/17/08


(A)

water baptism does not cause salvation of the soul.
scripture states salvation comes by believing that Jesus is raised from the dead and confessing it.
we have the example of the thief on the cross, he believed in Jesus, yet could not be water baptized but even so, Jesus promised him he'd be in paradise.

to be baptized in water is a witness and confirmation of what has happened in the soul after having believed and confessed unto salvation.

though we are called Christians, becoming Christ-like is a continual growth process.

Jan25
---opalgal on 10/17/08


For the purposes of this blog, I ask you to simply choose A or B. No explainations etc.

My intention in asking this question is to try to cut through the retoric and get to the heart of the matter. I suspect that some may be actually defending a position against someone else who in fact holds the same position but that is being lost in all the words exchanged.
---Bruce5656 on 10/11/08


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Answer A is my answer.
---Madison on 10/1/07


Baptism is included in salvation, not excluded. When Christ commands you to be baptized, then we should obey him. He is the Lord. When he commands you to repent, or confess your sins, or to sacrifice yourself, or to share your faith, or to do the works of Christ, then we should obey him, for all obedience is included in salvation. We must obey all of his commands, and not pick nor choose which command we merely desire to do.
---Eloy on 9/6/06


Jesus commanded all to be baptized, and none to be excluded. The only thing man offers or can impart in baptism is his whole undone self obeying the command, God is the one who does all the supernatural converting and sanctifying, not the undone clay of man nor clay of infant nor clay of woman. Please read Ezekiel 36:23-28; I Corinthians 7:14.
---Eloy on 9/6/06


Water baptism plays no part whatsoever in one's salvation. Salvation is in Christ alone in His finished work on the Cross. Water baptism is merely an outward show of what one believes internally.
---Helen_5378 on 9/5/06


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Water baptism plays no part whatsoever in our salvation. Our salvation is a finished work by Christ on the Cross. Water baptism is merely an outward sign of what we believe inwardly.
---Helen_5378 on 9/5/06


We are baptized because we are saved. It's an act of obedience and an outward showing of our inward change.
---Rickey on 9/5/06


What a fantastic parade of answers.--- Jesus wanted John to baptize him in order to fulfill all righteousness----was Jesus unrighteous before his baptism? If he was not unrighteous before his baptism, whose righteousness did he fulfill? Certainly not his own. Jesus got baptized for you and me!
---mima on 9/5/06


Jana,
If Romans 6 refers to water baptism, then, by definition, there must be such a thing as baptisimal regeneration. Since there is not, it cannot be water baptism that is refered to but rather the baptism by the Holy Spirit into Jesus that takes place at conversion I Cor 12:13.
---Bruce5656 on 9/5/06


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the baptisim of jesus by john the baptist (a desendent of Aron) is the laying of of hands that took place in the old testament times and it is the "water" in the new testament.
---L._Mardini on 9/5/06


why are we baptised??? Roman 6:4 therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death, that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, and walk in newness of life. 2 Corinthian 5:17 therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.
---jana on 5/23/06


B. Following Matthew 28 baptisim first. Jesus was baptisted first before his ministry began.
---candice on 5/7/06


Jesus put spit and mud on a on a man he told the man to go and wash it off. what was the purpose of spit and mud. I'm sure only Jesus knew that, it has the same purpose as water baptism, makes no difference what you think if don't obey like the blind man you going to always be blind.
---Exzucuh on 5/1/06


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If water does nothing then what is it's purpose. there is no baptism without water so water must be the baptism. can you eat the body or drink the blood commanded by Christ without bread and wine, as you would say water is nothing bread and wine are nothing, if you have nothing what is the pupose of nothing. Faith makes nothing something.
---Exzucuh on 5/1/06


..bruce, It means exactly what the three words say. Fulfill- complete and do and perform God's will; All- total and entire and every; Righteousness- full of right and rightful and just and moral obligation.
---Eloy on 5/1/06


A ... it is a declaration of faith.
Water does not do anything.
& I do not see that being baptised makes one may more righteous.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/1/06


Eloy,
What does that mean to fulfill all righteousness? What do you think it meant to Jesus specificaly? I would like to see your answer to that question too: http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1146175719.htm

Could you please pick A or B? Or are you not prepared to state one or the other? Do you see a third alternative?
---Bruce5656 on 4/30/06


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We are baptized to fulfill all righteousness.
---Eloy on 4/30/06


Jesus said if his word abides in you, you can ask the Father whatever you will and he will give it to you. That means you need to speak exactly like Jesus. now tell me he would say baptism is not important. or show where he said it.
---Exzucuh on 4/30/06


Answer is B.
---Rene on 4/30/06


Acts 19: 4-6 Paul found certain disiples of john, they said they had been baptised by John.Paul told them that Johns baptism was so they would believe on Christ, hearing this they were baptised again in Jesus name,Paul layed his hands on them and they were baptised in the Holy Spirit.
---Exzucuh on 4/30/06


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Baptism is nessary for salvation!!!...but not water baptism. 7 baptisms in the bible and only one saves. When you trust the Lord as your saviour you are at that moment baptised with the Holy Spirit. Baptism dont always mean water. Water dont always mean baptism. eph 1 13 is Spirit baptism. We should be baptised with water as a testimony or act of obedience...but what happens if a person cant? Then they have still been baptised in spirit.
---Steve on 4/30/06


Baptism is an act of obedience. It has nothing to do with salvation. Baptism is an outward sign of an inter transaction, (accepting Christ as Saviour.) The Bible states a person becomes a Christian as a result of God's grace. If we make baptism a requirement for salvation, we add works to the mix. Baptism also indicates at least to other things: 1. We have died to sin are are raised a new life in Christ, 2. We have the promise that we will be raised as Christ was, from the dead. (Romans 6:4)
---WIVV on 4/30/06


Still waiting for Eloy to weigh in on this one. How about it Eloy?
---Bruce5656 on 4/11/06


I would really like to see Eloy's response to this question. How about it Eloy?
---Bruce5656 on 4/6/06


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My answer is A.
---Rebecca_D on 4/4/06


My answer is (A) my concern is, the the rebellion and belittleing of an important doctrine of Christ. We are baptised in, an important in, the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. No baptism no name.exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/4/06


A.is true. Acts 8:36-38
---Ulrika on 4/4/06


I agree with obedience, but it goes so much deeper. It is the symbolic death of the old man/creature who is buried with Christ, arises a new creature/man so it is the death,burial,of what we were and the resurection/ beginning of who we are in Christ. Putting off the fleshly nature for the Spiritual.
---Darlene_1 on 4/4/06


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A. I havent been baptized yet, but will be the next time my church holds them. I cant wait to publicly profess my faith. I know that I have been born again and will see Christ's kingdom even if I should die today.
---chris on 4/4/06


Answer A is correct.
Romans 10:9-10 backs it up.
---Rickey on 4/4/06


A is true. Story about baptism. Pilot on riverboat(A Jehovah witness) wakes up speaking in tongues. Interprets what he has said, which well was leave the Jehovah Witness church. Have your uncle baptize you in the Mississippi River,(uncle will not a pastor) and join a messianic Jewish church. He did exactly as he was told and he is in that messianic congregation(although he is not a Jew himself) today. What a story but true I know him.
---mima on 4/4/06


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