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Shameful Long Haired Men

The Bible says, in first Corinthians 11:14, that he is a shame unto a man to have long hair. What do you think when you see a Christian man with long hair? Ever had the nerve to show them from the Bible what it says?

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Despite He was not a Nazarite, he was longhaired, due to His jewish background. Cutting hairs meant slaveness, so it would be incoherent to use it short. When Paul told about its length, he was refering to pagan culture, whose hair was required to be shaven for Bacco, for instance and, however, some apostles were as disobedients as Paul: if he was for short haired on men, that doesn't means Jesus was short haired, once Peter and Judas, for instance, showed selfish personalities. One thing is corret: between the Bible and Nature, longhair is the correct option in both genders, its blessful and a sign of freedom, whereas short hair in both genders is a sign of slaveness, be in Ancient times or nowadays.
---Marcus_Vallerius on 12/26/10


Joeph I also trust God's Word but please tell me what Paul considered to be long hair? As most men of the day had long hair(as archaeology shows) maybe long hair to them meant hair to the floor.

Unless we know what the writer meant how can we say someone's hair is too long?

---Warwick on 2/3/08


I believe when you start asking questions like this you are trying to see what you can get away with. I believe that we take the word of GOD for what it says.
---Joseph on 2/3/08


I had hair to my waist a dear old soul showed me this text. Unfortunately I could not control my laughter. Conversley we have no evidence that Christ had long hair. The last photo I saw of Him was inconclusive.
---dan on 2/2/08


For those who believe a man should not have 'long hair' please define what Scripture defines as hair that is too long. Otherwise the term is meaningless.
---Warwick on 2/1/08




The scripture does not dictate "spirituality" by the length of one's hair. Paul, culture, experience he knew of no culture. Ect.
---catherine on 2/1/08


Here is what---exzucuh wrote,"Jesus also said he did not come to Judge but to show grace so therefore he did not judge or use the law, but Grace alone which is our new testiment under his blood, all those taking the plow of grace looking back to the law are not fit for the kingdom.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06 "
Question, who has taken the plow of grace yet continues to look back at the law?
---Mima on 1/31/08


Donna, Jesus was NOT a Nazarite and never took the Nazarite oath. The reason for their long hair was to show shame and humility. Samson was the ONLY one God told to keep his long hair and that was for a specific reason. I studied the Nararites for over 10 years so I know what I am talking about.
---Rebecca_S. on 1/31/08


RebeccaS--Yes, pay attention. Long hair could be a sign of SEPARATION UNTO GOD. Some took the vow of a Nazarite. This required staying away from dead bodies and also (Num 6:3) He shall separate from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar.. (Num 6:5) All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head.
For most, the vow was for a limited time. But Nazarites for life were Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist
( Jdg 13:4,5; 1Sa 1:11; Luk 1:15).
---Donna2277 on 6/27/07


Note to the mods.

Moderator - Eloy told us he was mad, but never stated why. Therefore, I don't know, however contacting him is a good idea if you have his info.
---John_T on 7/10/06




John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. The word is the Judge!
---exzucuh on 6/23/06


Eloy:
Re: Philadelphia

Please try to recognize humor on the blog.
---John_T on 6/23/06


PART ONE:
eloy,

.bruce, You say I wrote that Jesus kept the O.T.Laws, "Also, Jesus did not keep the O.T. Laws, instead he established the N.T. Laws." and another place: "He also came to fulfill O.T. law and prophecy, one of which was being a Nazarite, another one was to arrive riding a donkey, another one was to heal, another one was to preach, etc."
---Bruce5656 on 6/23/06


PART TWO:
Yes I did quote you as contradicting your self. Your repeating those contradictory statements do nothing to clarify your position. You say he did fulfill but he did not keep the law. Which is it? How could he as a Jew, born under the law, NOT keep the law?
---Bruce5656 on 6/23/06


PART THREE:
You refer to prophecy. I am familiar with the prophecy of riding a donkey, healing preaching etc.but not one that Jesus would be take the Nazarite vow. Could you please give the chapter and verse on that one?

On the other hand, if you could have done that you would have by now right?
---Bruce5656 on 6/23/06


But have you read the next verse John 12:48?
---rev._chris on 6/23/06


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So in your mind Jesus was a zombie who had no control over His own actions? The bible says differently. He could have decided not to go to calvary. He did that out of love for the world. You claim He did all He did because He was a mere puppet being pulled by unseen strings. The bible says He alone is worthy to judge.
---Rebecca_S on 6/23/06


Eloy: (sigh)

It is not a matter of belief, but proof. I wrote:
"Please supply proof from a souce other than your own coco."

Having no proof to back up any statement is to appear foolish.

My effort (perhaps in vain now) was to HELP YOU, go beyond opinion vs opinion and let us all learn together.

Can you see that, friend?
---John_T on 6/23/06


Eloy - There is only one thing that is worth believing and that is that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins. Believe that and you will be saved from eternity in hell.
---Helen_5378 on 6/23/06


.bruce, You say I wrote that Jesus kept the O.T.Laws, "Also, Jesus did not keep the O.T. Laws, instead he established the N.T. Laws." and another place: "He also came to fulfill O.T. law and prophecy, one of which was being a Nazarite, another one was to arrive riding a donkey, another one was to heal, another one was to preach, etc."
---Eloy on 6/23/06


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.johnt, I reiterate, you have provided no comparison. I provided The Mormons temperance with the Nazarites temperance, but you are endeavoring to compare Philadelphians with Nazarites, which common Philadelphians have no Nazarene-like virtues which set them apart for God nor apart from other common citizens.
---Eloy on 6/23/06


.helen, john, bruce, you all will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/23/06


you didn't give me the word you gave me what you said about the word you were trying to use to back up your ideology.John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. what part of what jesus said will you disagree with. I was asked to explain myself on these blogs I can give nothing but scripture as many know.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06


exzukuh.."The word of God judged them the same as it does today Jesus still does not judge". Does not the bible tell us that Jesus was the 'word' made flesh? He was the walking talking total Word of God. The bible tells us His word is sharper than any two-edged sword to cut us in or cut us out. Yes, He still judges today as He did on earth. He will come back one last time for His final judgement on this world and the wicked will not escape.
---Rebecca_S on 6/22/06


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exzucuh...once again, I gave solid scripture and you gave your opinion. There are thousand, perhaps millions of opinions, but there is only one true word. I think you will find it much easier on you if you trust not in your own understanding and stay with the scriptures. That is why God gave them to us. Jesus did verbally and physically judge whether you will see it or not.
---Rebecca_S on 6/22/06


Judas was proclaimed a liar by prophecy, Jesus whipped the money changers to make them leave, the Fig tree was Israel and the curse was when God broke them off as his chosen and grafted in the gentiles Jesus was prophesying and thats exactly right the word Judges not me or Jesus.It is established in the word what God has ordained. Joh 12:47 as long as this scripture is in the bible I will defend it.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06


The word of God judged them the same as it does today Jesus still does not judge, your own actions determine your fate. accept Gods grace and live, refuse it and perish. It is simple no reason to judge, It's up to people to make a choice.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06


exzucuh, so Jesus did not come to judge? Did He not call the Pharisees children of the devil? Did He not call Judas a liar from the beginning? Did He not judge AND whip the money changers in the temple? Did He not judge and curse the fig tree so that it died? How many many times did He warn of wolves and false prophets? How many times are we told to judge all things by the word? You need to stop taking snipets of verses and creating a whole new doctrine.
---Rebecca_S on 6/22/06


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komaw komao kom-ah'-o
from 2864; to wear tresses of hair:--have long hair.
the point paul was making was a man should not try to look like a woman as we know is perversion and a shame, a cross dresser does not go over well in church. this greek word komao is refering to how a woman beads and braids her hair seeing this is not custom to man. he was not refering to hair length but style.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06


Jesus also said he did not come to Judge but to show grace so therefore he did not judge or use the law, but Grace alone which is our new testiment under his blood, all those taking the plow of grace looking back to the law are not fit for the kingdom.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06


John, Jesus was obeying the law to the letter when He let the adulterous woman go. The law required that both parties be stoned, not just the woman, and it had to be by the word of two or more witnesses. There were no witnesses when He asked who condemned her and no man pointed out as the co-adulterer. By the law, no judge could pass sentence under the circumstances. Those laws are all in Leviticus.
---Rebecca_S on 6/22/06


I would wonder if Jesus kept the OT. laws when I see he released a woman caught in adultery. The law said to stone her. Jesus released her. The law said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but Jesus said do good to your enemy. There are several more occasions when the law was bypassed for grace and mercy by Jesus.
---john on 6/22/06


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PART ONE:
eloy.
"Jesus did not keep the O.T. Laws,"
"He also came to fulfill O.T. law."

Keeping the law is not the same a fulfilling it?
---Bruce5656 on 6/22/06


PART TWO:
Which prophesy says that Jesus would be a Nazarite?

You don't read commentaries?

Proverbs 1:5, "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:"
Proverbs 11:14, "Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety."
---Bruce5656 on 6/22/06


PART THREE:
Do you think that you have nothing to learn from scholarly, godly men who have come before you?
Proverbs 13:10, "Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom."
Proverbs 12:1, "Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish."
---Bruce5656 on 6/22/06


Eloy wrote; "Nazarenes who frequently performed the Nazarene vow..."

Is this another gem from Wikipedia? Thats an UNRELIABLE source, friend. Please supply proof from a souce other than your own coco.

The Philadelphia analagy parallels your assertion that many Nazerines are Nazarites.

BTW As a current Eagles fan, and former Philly area resident (Yo!) we used to describe the sports fans there by saying "The Libety Bell isn't the only thing cracked in Philadelphia!"
---John_T on 6/22/06


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Eloy -- Jesus Christ's whole purpose of coming to this earth was to become a Man and die on the Cross for your sins, then He rose from the dead. Believe this and you will be saved.
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06


.helen, that was not his whole mission. He also came to fulfill O.T. law and prophecy, one of which was being a Nazarite, another one was to arrive riding a donkey, another one was to heal, another one was to preach, etc.
---Eloy on 6/22/06


Just thinking -- Why on earth would Jesus have taken a Nazarite vow when His whole purpose of becoming Man was to go the Cross for the sins of mankind?
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06


.johnt, your analogy draws no comparison between Nazareth where the inhabitants were Nazarenes who frequently performed the Nazarene vow, and Philadelphia where the inhabitants are not known for anything extraordinary to God- not temperance, not fasting, not cutting their hair, and not approaching the dead, which things were all peculiar to the Nazarites in Nazareth. If you check all of the O.T. prophesies on why Jesus was made a Nazarite, then you could more readily accept this truth about Jesus.
---Eloy on 6/22/06


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.bruce, I do not read commentaries, but only the Word of truth.
---Eloy on 6/22/06


eloy,
Can you name one recoginzed commentary that agrees whith your supposition that Jesus was a Nazerite (as in the Nazerite vow) because he was from Nazareth?

Here are a just a few who specficaly do not agree that Jesus was a Nazarite:
Adam Clarke
James Coffman
John Gill
Matthew Henry
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


I guess ALL people in Philadelphia love their brother. It is,the City of Brotherly Love, ya know. (Yo!)

Just because a person, Jesus in this case, CAME FROM Nazareth it does not mean that he TOOK a Nazarite vow, or had it from the womb, like Samson.

Also, because Roman busts showed short hair, it is preposterous to assume that Jesus did. He was Jewish, not Roman. Nor are there any busts of him.

It is PLAUSABLE that he looked like a Hasidic Jew does today.
---John_T on 6/21/06


.bruce, Why do you think God had Joseph and Mary go live in Nazareth? why do you think the nonNazarenes would say, Can any good thing come out of Nazareth? The Nazarene's vows were common knowledge; nonfollowers thought it foolish and vain to abstain from drinking, and to commit yourself to such fastings. Similarly, Utah is called the "Dry state", for Mormons do not drink. If God wanted man to know Jesus was a Mormon who grew with the Mormon way, he would have had Jesus live and grow up in Utah.
---Eloy on 6/21/06


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.bruce, my words are always full of credibility, because they are always full of truth, they only are accepted by the carnal mind as lacking credibility.
---Eloy on 6/21/06


.bruce, your pet belief is irrelvant to the absolute truth, and you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/21/06


PART ONE:

eloy,
I cannot imagine that you realy think that a "Nazarite" as in one who took the "Nazarite" vow is synonomous with someone from Nazarath. However the alternative is that you are making a patently dishonest statement for the sake of defending your position.

Either way, your positon lacks credibility.
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


PART TWO:
Wicipedia defines Nazarite:
A Nazarite or Nazirite, Nazir in Hebrew, was a Jew who took an ascetic vow described in the Book of Numbers at 6:1-21. The term Nazarite comes from the Hebrew word nazir meaning "consecrated" or "separated". The Nazarite is "holy unto the Lord" (Numbers 6:8) and must keep himself from becoming ritually unclean.
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


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PART THREE:
The Jewish Encylopedia defines Nazarite:
One who lives apart; one who has made a vow of abstinence; in the former sense used as early as Sifra, Emor, iv. 3; Sifre, Num. 23.

If Jesus ever took a temporary Nazarite vow (and it would have had to have been temporary for the reasons previously noted 6/19/06) it had nothing to do with the fact that he was a Nazarene (native of Nazareth.)
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


PART FOUR:
(Incidently, this has nothing to do with the length of his hair. That is a matter that does not concern me in the least.)

Secondly,

You said: "Jesus did not keep the O.T. Laws"
This is tantamount to blasphemy (yeah, I can here the cries of "persecution" already.)
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


PART FIVE:
Jesus came specifically to keep the OT law. He said: Matthew 5:17-18, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


PART SIX:
Jesus was a Jew and in order to be righteous, the sinless sacrifice he had to keep every detail of the law. There may have been interpretations of the law that he did not keep (as when he was accused of working on the Sabbath when he picked corn) but the true law, he kept in its entirety. He was born and he died under the Old Covenant and THEN ushered in the New Covenant.
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


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PART SEVEN:
He first introduced it in the upper room Matthew 26:28, "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Note, only the concept of the new testament is what is being introduced here but it was not initiated until his blood was shed.
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06


Rebecca, read the scriptures stating such which I have cited below.
---Eloy on 6/21/06


eloy....Jesus was NOT a nazarite and no where in the scriptures is that stated.
---Rebecca_S on 6/20/06


lee...."The point is the men should look like men and women should look like women." This is a sexist statement. I don't believe that God is concerned with our hair; he is concerned with out heart and soul. I don't think we should prescribe hair styles based on whether someone is male or female.
---Grace on 6/20/06


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.bruce, the Nazarites who vowed did not always vow lifelong vows, but they performed their vows periodically. Also, Jesus did not keep the O.T. Laws, instead he established the N.T. Laws. Let me reiterate, Jesus visited me in person, I have seen him firsthand, and he does have long black hair. Also, he is more concerned about a person's heart, whether or not they are saved, rather then the kind or length of hair they have; we too should be more concerned about one's salvation then about their appearance.
---Eloy on 6/20/06


.bruce, the suffix -ite and -ene are the same, meaning "one who is". For example, Joseph was a Judite, and Joseph was a Judean, both meaning, one who is of Judah. So also, Nazarite and Nazarene, both mean "one who is of Nazareth." And Nazarites or Nazarenes customarily made periodic purification vows to God, which included letting their hair grow and abstaining from alcohol for the duration of their vow.
---Eloy on 6/20/06


PART ONE:
eloy,
"Jesus was a Nazarite, and this is why I cited the scriptures."
The scriptures you cited all demonstrate that Jesus was a Nazareen not a Nazarite. Surely, schollar that you are, you are aware of the difference?

Here are three reasons:
---Bruce5656 on 6/19/06


PART TWO:
#1 Jesus drank wine (fermented or not is not the issue here since any form of grapes were forbidden the Nazarite: A Nazarite "shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried." Num. 6:3.

He took (at least some) vinegar while on the cross John 19:29-30, " When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar
---Bruce5656 on 6/19/06


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PART THREE:
A Nazarite could not touch or come near a dead body. Numbers 6:6, "All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body." Even to be near someone that died unexpectedly near by was a defilement.
---Bruce5656 on 6/19/06


PART FOUR:
Jesus did. Luke 7:12-14, "Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow: and much people of the city was with her. And when the Lord saw her, he had compassion on her, and said unto her, Weep not. And he came and touched the bier:"
---Bruce5656 on 6/19/06


.donna, Jesus was a Nazarite, and this is why I cited the scriptures. If I recall correctly, John the Baptist also was a Nazarite. I have seen Jesus, he wore a mitre and has long black hair. "koma" in I Corinthians 11:14 in greek means "wave", and not "long". It is unnaturally setting a man's hair to be wavy, which is a common thing woman do to their own hair. But God is much more concerned about man's salvation and welfare, rather than his superficial outward appearance.
---Eloy on 6/18/06


5...All statues and carvings of legionnaires show them with closely cropped hair. A Roman with long hair was an oddity as is - used to be the case for men in our society. All Roman Emperors before, during, and after the time of Christ, from Julius Caesar to Trajan,had short hair. The emperor set the pattern in style and mode of dress for the whole empire."
---Rebecca_S on 6/18/06


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4...The busts of General Pompey, Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Emperor Trajan, and King Herod Agrippa - all showed that short hair was the style. The article stated: "For example, on pages 126-127 of Avi-Yonah's work (A History of the Holy Land) are found busts of Pompey, Augustus, and one believed to be Herod - all with short hair.
---Rebecca_S on 6/18/06


3...The June, 1971 issue of "Tomorrow's World" carried an article entitled - DID JESUS WEAR LONG HAIR? The article was illustrated with authentic busts from the ancient world of the Roman Empire leaders proving that short hair was the accepted mode in Roman-occupied Judea.
---Rebecca_S on 6/18/06


2..If Jesus was a Nazarite, He sinned by drinking and making wine. He sinned during the last supper by drinking wine. He sinned by touching dead bodies to raise them. "if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him." I Cor. 11:14. You people are accusing the Lord of doing something shameful.
---Rebecca_S on 6/18/06


1..The Nazarite vow was a vow of separation. Three things were forbidden as long as he was under the vow. (1) "He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried." Num. 6:3. (2) He could not cut his hair. (3) He could not touch or come near a dead body. Num. 6:6-9.
---Rebecca_S on 6/18/06


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Jesus may have been a radical...but He wasn't a rebel (there is a difference). My guess is that He had short hair.
---Donna2277 on 6/18/06


Randy, if Jesus had long hair to simply go against the Roman custom, how was He able to blend in with crowds when the people sought to harm Him? Why did Judus have to kiss him to show the soldiers which one He was? He would have stuck out like a sore thumb anywhere.
---Rebecca_S. on 6/18/06


A man can be wearing the "regulation haircut" and have a heart full of bitterness and anger whereas a man can be wearing long hair and have a heart full of love for the Savior. The one who has God's attention is the long haired man with the heart for Him and who has no confidence in the flesh.
---Linda6563 on 6/18/06


Jesus appears to have talked about this problem with the Pharisees. They kept all the rules and regulations but had no compassion in their hearts. Jesus had something to say about that. He called them whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones.
---Linda6563 on 6/18/06


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Eloy--NOBODY has even mentioned the town of Nazareth. Nobody is saying Jeses was a "nazarite", either! My whole point in talking about the Nazarites (which means "set apart for God")was that there were Godly men who who DID have long hair. Therefore, I believe that Paul's single comment in 1st Cor. may be strictly cultural or an opinion,not a dictum for 21st century Christians. It's NO big deal!
---Donna2277 on 6/18/06


Some of you people really amaze me. Do you HONESTLY think that God cares how long your hair is?

The legalism being spouted in this blog is amazing.
---NurseRobert on 6/18/06


Ignore the outside hair, and instead look upon the inside heart: Is the man saved? Is the man lost? Does the man love the Lord? Does the man know Jesus? Does the man with fancy hair need God's pity and love, food, clothes, water, shelter, a shower, healing, friends, employment? Look to these things, and not to the hair.
---Eloy on 6/18/06


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