ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Can We Lose Our Faith

Can the meticulous reader find eternal security in reading first Timothy 2:13. Does this scripture described one who has lost his faith and fell from believing? Another words is verse proof of .....OSAS?

Join Our Christian Chat and Take The Spiritual Fruit Bible Quiz
 ---mima on 4/4/06
     Helpful Blog Vote (5)

Post a New Blog



If a person professes faith in God but their actions show that their faith is really in something else and it is revealed then one may think that person lost their faith. When really they did not loose their faith they had it all along. Their faith was in something other then Christ. You may have been decieved in judgeing their heart and thinking they were saved and they may have been deceived. But God is never deceived which is why his Word says judge nothing before the time.
---Marcia on 7/8/07


you also conveniently left out the word "empty" to make the scripture fit your doctrine when you said "that he found swept and garnished, meaning God lives there now." I personally would not associate the word "empty" with a place that God lives.

After looking I see that it is another NIV issue. KJV uses "empty" and most other translations use "unoccupied". NIV leaves that part out. Gotta love those versions that force their interpretations.
---chris on 7/8/07


If we believe or are saved, our fruit will reveal we are of Christ, through suffering for Christ's sake or good works. If we are unbelieving or unsaved, Jesus is faithful to wait for us to believe or accept His gift of salvation.
---jamin on 2/21/07


2 Tim 2:12-13 Paul is showing Christ responses to our actions.

verse 12: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him
Our suffering with Him, means we reign with Him.

verse 13: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful

God is not into giving up on us, even if we give up(believe not) on Him. "He abideth faithful"

Now works do not save us, but show that we are saved.

And yes, there are a fakers. I'm not referring to them.
---TDG on 1/20/07


Lisa, you said "'For it is impossilbe for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift,' yes, it is impossible to crucify Christ again."

But the Bible doesn't say it's "impossible to crucify Christ again."

seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame-Hebrews 6:6.

Could it be He feels those nails every time we sin? We don't want to do that.
---Geoff on 1/16/07




Read kathr's answers very closely for their very insightful concerning this question.
---Mima on 12/30/06


Linda7548. Falling from Grace means to go back to the Law. Grace is walking in the Spirit..Galatians Paul said,
Having begun in the Spirit(Our New Born Again man in Christ),are you now being made perfect by the flesh(law keepers,still hoping to clean up the old adam that was actually crucified with Christ Romans 6).
He said they had "fallen from Grace". Grace is life at the Cross. *Have ye suffered so much in vain* is key here too. We're called to be partakers of the sufferings of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/30/06


I wonder what it means to fall from grace, could it be ,that they having been saved from grace through faith now think they have to work to stay saved and stop trusting in Jesus death burial and resurection .we all sin and if we say we have no sin we are a liar .But knowing we are secure and can run to Jesus we abide in Him and His Words in us and we change not because we fear being kicked out but because we know we are so loved we will never be kicked out . Jesus loves us we love Him back and obey Him .
---linda7548 on 12/29/06


Hebrews 3:15
While it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice,harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.(the Wilderness).
This applies to those who did not cross the Jordan and enter into the land of Promise. They died in their sins in the wilderness. They heard, they saw miracles and the Glory of God for 40 years, still had "NO FAITH" to cross. They didn't lose their salvation, they never had it. The Jordan represents the CROSS,the same way we identify in His death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 12/29/06


2 Timothy 1:9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Since these verses came first, I believe it does, Yes!
---kathr4453 on 12/29/06




1Tim 2:13 For Adam was the first formed, then Eve.
Actually, Eve was first, Eve had no children with Adam. All 13 of Eve's children were conceived of the Holy Ghost. As Jesus was to Mary. Read Revelations 12, this is the true story of Eve, first mother of Jesus and of the 12 Apostles.
---discipleabct on 12/29/06


I see that many are missing a key point, are you disciples or followers of Peter, Paul, or anyone else besides Jesus, then it is self-evident that you do not believe in his Words.
---discipleabct on 12/29/06


Woe shepherds of Isreal ...those who are sickly you have not strengthened the diseased you have not healed the scattered you have not brought back nor have you sought for the lost......but I will deliver my flock...Ezekiel 34
---linda on 12/29/06


Thus says the Lord God ,behold I myself will search for my sheep and seek them out ....I will seek the lost Bring back the scattered bind up the broken and strengthen the sick....Ezekiel
---linda on 12/29/06


I wonder about the people who think you cannot repent after sinning ,if they really believe they themselves have stopped sinning ,or do they have good excusable reasons for their sin and others do not .do they have a gauge about which sins can be repented for .which are forgivegable and cleansable by the blood of Jesus and which ones the blood of Jesus cannot clean .Do they have a number after which a person reached it ,thats it .
---linda on 12/29/06


I have read in a number of places and do not remember where but I believe it .The jews were succumbing to pressure and returning to sacrificing animals for their sins ,thereby trampling Jesus blood and by going back under the law instead of grace ,they remove themself from grace and the blood of Jesus ,trusting instead in the law and sacrifices .It is impossible to bring these people to repentace while they are living under the law again .
---linda on 12/29/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Asthma


There are just too many scriputres that prove eternal salvation such as the ones mentioned previously in Romans ,John , Ephesians and many many others .They are to be believed and trusted .Heaven and earth may pass away but these Words will never pass away .
---linda on 12/29/06


Thank you Linda, that is my purpose on security. That we walk by faith in Jesus Christ. Let me give you my opinon. Out of all religions, Christianity is the only religion, and I mean only, that puts their faith in the grace of God and Jesus sacrafice on the cross. What He has already done for us. In Biblical Christianity, forgiveness is based upon the death of Christ on the cross as a past action.
---lisa on 12/29/06


2. Christ died for our sins so that once a person receives Christ as his or her Savior, all of his sins are forgiven and each one is totally guaranteed a place in Heaven (John 5:24; 6:47; 1 John 5:13. People, Christians themselves here on this site want to put Christians in the same level as all other religions which teach salvation by works. If we are to follow their teachings, we are no better then any other religion and the sacrafice of Christ for our eternal security would be worthless, why?
---lisa on 12/29/06


3. because it would be by our own acts that would secure our salvation, Biblical Christianity teaches that it rest on faith in the finish work of Christ. No other religion has what we have. Islam, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, and even Catholics follow the teachings of works. What makes us different is our faith in Christ. Not works, not the church, not anything we ever do will ever be sufficient to earn us what Christ died for. It is our faith in Christ and His sacrafice that makes us different.
---lisa on 12/29/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Cholesterol


#2. For it is impossilbe for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift," yes, it is impossible to crucify Christ again. It is just impossible. You are either born again once and Christ died for you once, for it is impossible for Him to die a hundreds times if you reject, accept, reject and accept. Not possible at all, to renew them again and again.
---lisa on 12/29/06


Geoff, when you reject God's word, it does not mean you are saved, it only means that you reject the truth of Scripture. Those Hebrews had heard the word, and were repeating the sins of those who died in the wilderness after seeing the miracles performed through Moses and Aaron and hearing the voice of God at Sinai. We have a lot of those in church right to this day. They sing and give and speak religiously but in their heart they reject the truth. that is why the passages begans with,
---lisa on 12/29/06


If a person here is guilty of plaigarism ,please write down what they plaigarised ,the book ,page and author .
---linda7548 on 12/29/06


Lisa ,
I believe you have a genuine desire to have people walk free from sin by the grace and security in Jesus and faith in Him His death burial and ressurection . I know many people who believe in eternal security and serve Jesus with all their hearts and love Him. I think just as many people backslide with either belief ,one side however may fear coming back ,for fear of rejection .God bless
---linda7548 on 12/29/06


Send a Free Salvation Tract


My Dear Lisa, your comments seem 1-sided in that they concern those who are not interested in coming to Christ. You answered your own Q on how they come to Him-Jn 6:44, 65, but don't miss v37: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and HIM THAT COMETH TO ME I will in no wise cast out." Coming to Jesus is a gift and we must accept it to receive it. Notice we can reject it-Heb 6:4-6. The other side is we can walk away, although I can't think of a good reason to do so.
---Geoff on 12/28/06


lisa, you've told us how to copy 'context' out of chapters, books. It's hard work, being very meticulous not to misspell words. It must wear you out. Plagiarism is throwing a few of your own words in with an author's work. "What this is saying here....."then copying word for word what they have said, then a few more of your own words. When you are not meticulous with the 'copy', 'lisa's words' do not line up with the writing style of the author. Acknowledge author's name and title.
---Observer on 12/28/06


Geoff, how does a person lost have a love for Christ? How can he possibly love someone that he doesn't see, hear, understand and is spiritually dead to? How does he love someone that he has emnity against? How does a person that his father is the devil, love Christ? How does a person have faith in Christ before he is born again? How? Geoff, a lost person cannot love someone that he is running away from, instead of towards Christ. Can you explain?
---lisa on 12/28/06


2. How can I have a distorted view of God when it is you who has one in your answer that God takes risk? I know you know about God because I have seen many of your answers in the SDA blogs. But this has nothing to do with that. The Bible clearly says prior to salvation, all people are dead in sin-spiritually dead,(Ephesians 2:1-3). In this state of death, the sinner is utterly unable to respond to any spiritual stimulus and therefore unable to love God, obey Him, or please Him in any way.
---lisa on 12/28/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Lasik Surgery


3. Scripture says the mind of every unbeliever "Is hostile" toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; and thos who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8:7-8). That describes a state of total hopelessness: Spiritual death. Jesus says, No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him" I understand that in Scripture also many passages seem to imply that your free will can get you in.
---lisa on 12/28/06


4. Most of the passages I quote or from Jesus, In the Gospel of John, Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father"(John 6:65). If you look closely at this verse, the first element of this teaching is a universal negative. The words "No one" are all-inclusive. They allow for no exception apart from the exceptions Jesus adds. The next word is crucial. It is the word "can." This has to do with ability, not permission.
---lisa on 12/28/06


5. Geoff, when I said you needed to look at the nature, character and attributes of God first is because when we have those views of all of who He is, we are able to reconcile so many passages. They always remain the same. We do have free will to a certain extend, but God also has free will to do what He desires and His will is Sovereign and ours is not. We are the lump of clay Geoff. The lump does not tell the Potter what to do.
---lisa on 12/28/06


When Jesus said No one shall snatch us out of His hand that includes you and me .When Jesus said that nothing present or to come that means nothing in the future .When Jesus said nothing created would separate us that means ours minds which were also created .Nothing shall seperate us from the love of Jesus .This is written to those who are not separated already,believers ,and to those who get who become believers so they can know their security .
---linda on 12/28/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Bullion


Lisa said "if man is autonomous, God cannot possibly be sovereign." Now I understand why you have a distorted picture of God. Love only exist where there's trust. Are you telling me the only way you won't steal from me is if I physically restrain you? Love is a choice. Perhaps you want to rethink your relationship with God. He wants you to choose to obey Him, not because you have to, but because you have the freedom not to, but you obey because you love Him. That's real love, not forced love
---Geoff on 12/27/06


Hello Mima. Is first Tim 2: 13 proof of osas. Osas is not found in the bible. Neither once save or even always saved. Eternal security is a term not found in the bible. Why not prove things from words already written. 1Tim 2:13 is about the creation order as Adam was first formed. And the bible was first formed before any of these terms were made up. Making something up and using the bible to make it fit is the wrong direction.
---jhonny on 12/27/06


Geoff, I don't know which God you are talking about when you make statements. You say that God takes a "risk," Please Geoff, you do not even believe that I hope. That is not the God of Scripture. You make Him a man. A man that is taking a chance on people. God knows all things past present and future, He is Omniscience. He knows all so anything you will do, He already knew before you thought it.
---lisa on 12/27/06


2. Geoff, God is not a gambler. He already knows because He is God. When you speak like that you confuse others around you into believing that God takes a chance on people and hopes that maybe the people will choose Him. Now how silly is that to speak about God in that way? Poor God, you might not love Him and reject Him and there is nothing He can do because for the moment you are sovereing and He is just a man waiting for man to please except His Son.
---lisa on 12/27/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Menopause


3. An autonomous person would be answerable to no one. He would have no governor, least a sovereing governor. It is logically impossible to have a sovereing God existing at the same time as an autonomous creature Geoff. The two are incompatible. If God is sovereign, man cannot possibly be autonomous. If man is autonomous, God cannot possibly be sovereign, these would be a contradiction. So I believe you are very wrong in your studies and need to study the attributes, nature and Character of God.
---lisa on 12/27/06


4. Here is a statement I read, "A christian who said, "God's sovereignty can never restrict human freedom" now Geoff, Imagine a Christian thinker making such a statement. This is sheer humanism. Does the law of God place restrictions on human freedom? Is God not permitted to impose limits on what I may choose or not? Not only may God impose moral limits upon my freedom, but He has every right at any moment to strike me dead if it is necessary to restrain me from exercising my evil choices.
---lisa on 12/27/06


Lisa, when you say "ones in Christ cannot lose that love of God," do you mean God can't stop loving them or that they can't stop loving God. Well He doesn't even stop loving those who choose destruction over eternal life. OTOH, Rom 8 doesn't say we can't walk away from God if we choose.
---Geoff on 12/26/06


You see, Lisa, God takes the risk of giving us free choice-that's love's nature. There's security in Christ, but we must remain in Christ just as remaining in the plane to safely arrive at the airport. I'm not speaking against that security, but you give a false sense of security with OSAS if you suggest anything other than remaining in Christ-Mt 10:22, 24:13, Mk 13:13.
---Geoff on 12/26/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Penpals


Geoff, Scripture can only be understood by a person that is born of the Spirit. The unbeliever cannot discern the Word of God. All teachings are for us, for the believer is the only one that trust God, believes in God, and follows Christ. The Scriptures do convict the believers and unbelievers and most of all, salvation comes from hearing the Word of God. Yet many hear and are not saved. Scripture speaks to all, but not all hear, and they don't hear because they are not one of the sheep.
---lisa on 12/26/06


2. The people spoken of in Romans 8 makes it clear that the one's "in Christ" cannot lose that love of God. Jesus says, "will never parish" God's word tells us, "Jesus will sustain us." And while Scripture speaks of that security in Christ, and God's never ending love, you speak against it Geoff. No where does it say we are or not robots, or that He doesn't interfere with our lives. As a matter of fact He is much in our live's through the Holy Spirit.
---lisa on 12/26/06


3. We are so blessed that the Holy Spirit is in us to convict, correct, teach, through our sanctification. Along we would sure fail as you see them fail, but you have forgotten Christ in the life of the believer. He is moved, influence, Chasten with love by Christ in his life. In order to protect him from falling. If he does fall, it only proves he was never one of His sheep.
---lisa on 12/26/06


Merry Christmas everyone, may God's precious Gift-Jn 3:16, Gal 4:4-be yours today & always

Linda & Lisa, I didn't say Paul's not speaking to us. Scripture speaks to all & we should too-Acts 15:7, Eph 3:6. God's mercy & justice are in perfect harmony-Ps 89:14. In Ro 8:38-39, nothing can separate us BUT us. We're NOT robots but free moral agents-Dt 11:26-28, 30:19. It's not God's will that any should perish, but all repent-2 Pt 3:9, but the choice is yours
---Geoff on 12/25/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Accounting


Brother Quentin Barnes identifies one of my favorite proof texts debunking OSAS-Heb 10:26. Notice, it's the will. For one to wilfully sin, he must do so of his own volition.
---Geoff on 12/25/06


Paul cannot be speaking to unbelievers since they are already separated from Christ .
---linda7548 on 12/24/06


Receiving knowledge of truth is not the same as receiving Jesus .
---linda7548 on 12/25/06


Paul cannot be speaking to unbelievers since they are already separated from Christ .
---linda7548 on 12/24/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Fundraisers


Look at the word Apostasy it is described in Hebrews 10:26-31. and it clearly explates that a person who has rejected Christ as the ony sacrifice for sin, and also say this Apostate person is one who sins wilfully after they have recieved the knowledge of truth. So yes if you repent and accept Christ as you Lord and Savior and go back to living in wilfull sinthen you are in danger of hell fireas the rest of that scripture reads.
---Rev._Quentin_Barnes on 12/24/06


Geoff ,
When Jesus said No one shall snatch us out of His hand that includes you and mean .When Jesus said that nothing present or to come that means the future .When Jesus said nothing created would seperate us that means ours minds which were also created .Nothing shall sepreate .Knowing this makes me love Jesus and feel secure and love to serve Him .I want to know Him to Know Him to know Him .what is the breadth and height of His love .I want to know Him more and more because of His great love .
---linda on 12/24/06


Geoff, what do you mean that we are not the one's Paul was speaking to? He was speaking to believers and made sure to say if you are in Christ in Chapter 8:1. If you feel you are not one of those then I believe you need to be one. Because if you are not one, then you are under condemnation. Paul cannot be speaking to unbelievers and giving them all this teachings, they would never understand since a lost person has no spiritual understanding.
---lisa on 12/24/06


2. while you are saying that those passages in 8:38 do not mean what they say, a true believer believes they are true. That nothing in all creation can separate us from the love of God, and it goes on to say, "Which are in Christ Jesus our Lord". You believe there is something out there in creation, and we believe there isn't anything in all creation. Now who do you think is right? You are God's Word? If you choose you, you have to be in Christ to have that never ending love.
---lisa on 12/24/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Ecommerce


Jesus despises the sin not the sinner . He came to save the sinners ,to seek and to save that which was lost .He came to die and shed His blood to cleanse us.He rose again .The Holy Spirit will convict of sin righteousness and the judgement to come .Jesus to set us free and not the give us the spirit of bondage again to fear but rather the Spirit whereby we cry Abba Father .He does not despise His church .He will clean us up.
---linda7548 on 12/24/06


My Dear Linda, those sentiments that "[you] do not believe that a person... ever changes their mind..." may give you nice warm fuzzy feelings, but that's neither scripturally sound nor reality. Romans 8:39-39 lists what can't separate us from the love of God, but it doesn't say we are one of those things. We are the only ones who can do that-Isa 59:2
---Geoff on 12/24/06


The kindness of Jesus and His sacrifice for us and His shed blood and the Holy Spirit convicting us will lead us to repentance .He Will bring us all back home .The Holy Spirit will do it .Not fear wondering if we are even allowed back home . Trust the blood of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit's conviction .I do not agree with living in sin.that is not what grace is about .Grace makes us love Jesus .
---linda7548 on 12/24/06


Judaism is the works that produce your own righteousness Satan has cleverly deceived many making them believe in Faith without works, which is dead and the same as what the devils believe they believe in God also but do no Good works for him. A tree that produces nothing according to Jesus is twice dead and should be plucked up by the roots and thrown in the fire as will be the tares that believe in a doctrine that produces no fruit in the believer.
---Exzucuh on 12/23/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Jewelry


The mark of the beast is a carnal doctrine where people live by the flesh they are just sinners saved by Grace thy are not born again translated out of darkness they are just the old man Adam confessing to know Jesus not regenerated into the new man having the mind of Christ walking in the Spirit so as not to fulfill the lust of the flesh. they are like King Saul who was changed into another man but went back into perdition to serve people and himself rather than God.
---Exzucuh on 12/23/06


(2.)Only the Jesus blood-washed, Holy Ghost filled "Bride of Christ" will escape what wrath is about to be poured out from Heaven without measure SOON. The Lord despises the false "social gospel" which leaves out His Son's WHOLE sacrifice(with its false love, false fruits, false salvation, which is very decieving to the weak one's, the children of disobedience)that is RAMPANT in the Church today, He despises it. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus! God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/23/06


We must remember that it's our faith in Christs atoning work that saves us. If that faith Ceases to exist, so does our salvation. Names will be blotted out of the Lambs book of life. In the last days many shall depart from THE faith. If the church turns from the righteousness of Christ to our own He will depart from the temple.
---craige on 12/22/06


Is believing Romans 8:38 written in Word willful sin about nothing separating us from the love of God . Is believing Ephesians about being sealed with the Holy Spirit guaranteeing our inheritance willful sin ,also written in the Word . Is believing Jesus when He said in John No one can snatch them out of my hand willful sin .How many believers want to come back to Jesus and hear the roar of the accuser of the brethern saying you can't be forgiven .
---linda7548 on 12/22/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Furniture


Christina- point well taken.

mima- good arguement and question. But Dont forget that Jesus DID choose Judas, and Judas walked with him for quite somtime believing he was the messiah. It was only after Jesus started teaching that he would have to die for mankind, that Judas changed He wanted a leader to overthrow the Roman government' but instead Jesus started preaching the cross. It's always been the acceptance of the cross that seperates the true followers of Christ and Judas did not recieve it.
---craige on 12/22/06


Jesus came to save the sinners not righteous .Does this mean we sin that grace may abound no His kindness leads to repentance.Our righteousness is filthy rags to Him.Where do we draw the line the person who has lustful thoughts or the adulterer the one who has unforgiveness and bitterness for years or the murderer the one who lies and gossips or the drunk the over eating glutton or the proud or smoker the Pharisee on the hill or the sinner who smote his breast .Which of these people are backslidden .
---linda on 12/22/06


Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life ,nor angels nor principalities ,nor powers nor things present nor things to come .This means that when we get saved nothing in the future will seperate us from Jesus love .We are sealed by the Holy Spirit Guaranteeing our salvation .Jesus does not Lie .He came to save sinners.
---linda on 12/22/06


Judas was called of Jesus the same as the other 11, he preached the gospel and healed the sick, the devil entered him at the moment he chose to sop the bread .At the moment you betray Jesus, Satan will enter your life, willful sin is betraying Jesus, believing a doctrine contrary to the teachings of Christ is willful sin and worse if someone is revealing it to you and you rebel against God's word, wrath is for the children of disobedience
---Exzucuh on 12/22/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Laptops


Craige; your reply implies that Judas was once saved. Can this statement be justified in light of the fact that Judas was of the devil(Jesus himself said one of you is a devil when he chose the 12. Is it possible that Judas was never saved? Not only as a possibility but in reality it is a certainty! Jesus said "no man". So my question to you is are you and me men!
---Mima on 12/22/06


Does the word reprobate mean anything to you, It means God is through with them and have given them over to their foolish beliefs. Because they sold out their inheritance like Esau for something worthless, believeing what they want to believe rather than the word, what they believe will destoy them.
---Exzucuh on 12/22/06


Craige, "If your faith cant be destroyed theres no reason for him to attack."

I believe there may be other reasons for him to attack, for instance, destroying our testimony.

Blessings
---christina on 12/22/06


I do not believe that a person who has genuinely trusted in Jesus death and ressurection to save them and repented of their sins and made Him their Lord and confessed with their mouth that God raised Him from the dead and recived eternal life ever changes their mind about wanting salvation .They may fall far , they may stumble , but the Lord Jesus brings them back ,they will stand for He is able to make them stand .Then will they loath themselves for their sin and repent.
---linda7548 on 12/21/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Lawyer


Mathew 12:43 does not say when the spirit of the Lord goeth out of a man ,It says when the unclean spirit goeth out of a man he walketh through dry places and seeketh rest finding none .45 he taketh with himself 7 spirits more wicked than himself .
---linda on 12/21/06


Every attack of satan is not really to destroy you, it's to destroy your faith. If your faith cant be destroyed theres no reason for him to attack. When one engages in a sinful lifestyle after coming to Christ his faith is slowly eroded. Lose your faith-lose your soul. Just ask Judas. Its true that no one can SNATCH, you from God's hand, but you can choose to walk away. Paul said that if God would divorce Isreal for unbelief , what makes you think that he wont do the same to the church
---craige on 12/21/06


Linda, I can understand your care & concern someone might think they're lost & despair. We must encourage the discouraged that while there is life there is hope, but we must not go to the other extremes of presumption or else making God a tyrant who removes His precious gift of choice. Deut 11:26-28. There are myriads of texts of folks turning back from destruction and turning back from salvation. Nothing such as OSAS. Universalism falsely teaches none can be lost for God doesn't failed
---Geoff on 12/21/06


When Jesus says No one can pluck us out of His hand He means No one and that includes ourself . We are also a person and No one including ourself can pluck us out of His hand .He will never leave us or forsake us ,guaranting we will return to Him as did the prodigal son .He will go after the lost sheep ie backslider .The Holy Spirit seals us gauranting our inheritance .How many broken people never return because they believe they lost their salvation after backsliding .Leaving terror and hopelessness
---linda on 12/21/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Dedicated Hosting


(I.)"...If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." (2 Tim.2:13)Paul was NOT talking about sin, but FAITH(false doctrines like "Once Saved Always Saved", often twist this scripture to "so-called" prove salvation can't be lost). Many born-again people have their "weak moments" in regard to their FAITH(Mark 9:24).
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


(II.)We must ALWAYS remember that the Just shall live by Faith (Habakkuk 2:4). We are to go from faith to faith(Romans 1:17) , not faith to doubt! Holiness to holiness, not holiness to unholiness, peace to peace, not peace to fear, etc. This is God's will for His people(continuity). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/5/06


Matt 24:13 and Mk 13:13 state that he who endureth unto the end the same shall be saved. Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; ---fortunately if you stray, like the prodigal son, the father said 'for this my son was DEAD,and is alive AGAIN. He was LOST, and is FOUND' you can fall away
---r.w. on 11/4/06


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.