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Statue Of Mary Cries Blood

If a statue of Mary cries tears of blood, is this a sign from God or is it of the devil?

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Emcee, who is bashing Christ? Not one here is. How can you say that? Speaking about the Catholic church doctrines is not bashing Christ. I have tried to answer you as best as I can Emcee, with love. I Have been speaking about Christ and His authority, His Church, He is the Head of the church that was started at Pentacost. You are speaking about your institution. Makes a big difference. I am speaking about the wrong many, not all, within the church taught.
---Lisas on 2/21/07


Helen "The RCC is the whore in Revelation"
How do you work that out?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/21/07


Mark - "RCC" stands for Roman Catholic Church.
---Helen_5378 on 2/20/07


Helen ::You do need to find a nomenclature for yourself.If you think you are clever then prove it elsewise .You Hurt Jesus each time you decry HIS Earthly Mother.Your lackof respect exceeds all bounds, & shows your weaknesses.
---Emcee on 2/20/07


Lisas ::Jesus when asked Stated My kingdom is not of this world.Your attempt at regurgitating History does make it irrelevant You cannot Expose His Doctrine by using Faulty humans Past Present & even future behaviour.FOLLOW ME HE SAYS not bash me!!
---Emcee on 2/20/07




watch yourself helen, i do not think that people are in a position to state accusations to that degree...
What is RCC??
---mark on 2/20/07


AlanUKquent - The RCC is the whore in Revelation.
---Helen_5378 on 2/20/07


Lisas::"God allowed denominations to form because,His word would Go out to all."How then do you justify your statement without Biblical proof & in the Face of His word in Matt16;17-19.HIS church is seeing to that But you do NOT believe.so who made the SWITCH?
---Emcee on 2/19/07


No Emcee, God allowed denominations to form for the simple reason that His word would go out to all. It was stuck in the Catholic church for many centuries, where only the popes and all those kept the Word from going out to all others so that they could have control, and in the process they made a mockery of His word and God was not going to allow anyone are any institution to stop His truth from going out. This is not doctrine Emcee, but the history of your church.
---Lisas on 2/19/07


2. Just read the history and you will find out that millions were killed for not converting to Christianity and the teachings of the church. How can one become saved by force? It was the church converting people by threats and punishment. They did it many times to the Jews. If someone converted a Jew to Christianity that person was allowed salvation in heaven as his reward. Oh Emcee, bringing out all the filth that happen is not good at all.
---Lisas on 2/19/07




3. The more you say the more that comes out. Let us stay within the doctrines and discuss the doctrines instead. History has spoken on what did happen but it is in the past. Let's talk about justification by faith in Christ, or Jesus turning Himself to bread. Interpretations of Scripture instead. Even Genesis on Eve and the seed. And what happen there instead. Even if we don't agree someone will get their Bibles and learn something today.
---Lisas on 2/19/07


George::You went to school did you absorb every single detail & understand every conceptof those Books!!!!!You advocate Reading the Bible Because you feel You are the Master & have absorbed every thing.The spirit of contention or condemnation you felt is your failure to recognise the Basic Truth :Lack of Charity:Sure orange juice is fine make mine extra sweet I need replenishing in that level.Cheers.
---Emcee on 2/18/07


Who I am? Who calvin was to say the same? who were the majority of the reformers to say the same? And who are you to tell me what to say? Who am I to tell you what not to tell me?
---george on 2/19/07


George
Like you I find much wrong in RCC doctrine and practice.
But who are you, or any human, to say "the rcc is the whore of revelation!"?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/18/07


Emcee: when was the last time that you gave a good cover-to-cover reading to your Bible? I really find it hard to comprehend how you can't see what is so obviously stated there. I think you mean good though. also, like certain benedict said: "I am very sorry is some of my words were misinterpreted by you"
---george on 2/18/07


Emcee: I think you are a nice guy. I don't agree with you in pretty much anything but I would like to have an orange juice with ya. Provided you don't behead me for my heresies... But I have to tell you: the rcc is the whore of revelation! be careful! be very careful. Did you check out Jack Chicks web page? or the martyrs mirror? Blessings to you. I'm sorry, also. I confess a spirit of contention developed in me when talking to you. Of course you are still wrong, ok? its like trying to convince my cat.
---george on 2/18/07


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Lisas::You cannot convince me not to believe in History & say someone told me.No one told me Gen3;15 is the answer to Satans interference in ruining Gods plan of creating loving sincere people equal in godliness to Him,To fill the Vacancies by satans Rebellion.The devil refused to owe allegiance to Jesus & the woman Chosen by God the Father.Your refusal to do likewise puts you in the same category& that is why Satan created denominations & people follow him Blindly But refuse To accept God The Creator.
---Emcee on 2/18/07


Emcee, you want to believe that the women spoken of in Genesis is Mary, because you were told that. The seed of the women is everyone from Eve. The seed spoken of in Genesis is One seed that would make atonement and bruse the serpents head. Even Mary is of the seed of Eve. If you study the geneology of Jesus it goes back all the way to Eve. It does not begin with Mary. If you want to believe that its ok with me. The context of the passages is talking about the women who was Eve.
---Lisas on 2/17/07


2. The reason I said I had joy in Christ is because you said that reading your words would ease some of my hurt. I have no hurt other then my knee hurting when I bend it. Other then that I am not hurt by your words at all or for that matter anyone's. I love what I do Emcee, with a passion. I wake up just for that. I do love you still even if you won't change from your kneeling to and praying to Mary or the saints. I am to love you no matter what, but to try to correct you no matter what.
---Lisas on 2/17/07


Lisas::"How can God be speaking of Mary in Genesis,when she had many centuries to be born."God is the creator. The essence of time is of no meaning to him BUT He did speak of a WOMAN who was that woman?& yet He again calls HER WOMAN several centuries Later why.But we know from History His word was made Flesh It was HIS Prophecy,are you refusing to believe HIS Prophecy in Genesis which DID Happen as Recorded in History.
---Emcee on 2/16/07


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Lisas::Who am I to question the sincerity of your love & devotion to Our blessed Lord I have never even attempted to even doubt your Love, Whereas you continually insist that I am an Idolator and who knows what you think.You may believe what you want but this I know for sure I am a Catholic & belong to His JESUS'S church in thought word & deed & in His Body & Blood & in the communion of Saints& I hope for the resurrection,& life everlasting.Matt.16:17-19
---Emcee on 2/16/07


Emcee, nothing takes the love of Christ I have. I don't know why you would say that. That love keeps me together. Nothing in this world can take away my joy in Christ Emcee. Not even the death of a love one. I know for a fact that Christ is my Lord and my Savior. I rest on that faith with my life, knowing and believing that nothing shall seperate me from the love of Christ. "Shall trouble or hardship or persectuion or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:
---Lisas on 2/16/07


2. For our sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these we are more then conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels or demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separated us from the love of God, that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
---Lisas on 2/16/07


3. Can you say the same thing Emcee when you bend your knee's to a saint or statue? Is your loyalty to the Mediator not to the mediator to the Mediator? Can you really find the courage to stop rejecting the Lord as your Lord instead of depending on Mary? That is the question Emcee. It has to come from within your heart. Like I said, we don't have to know, its your life and soul. Pick a joice, you believe in free will, If you are move to Pick Christ alone, you are one of the elect. If not, I am sorry.
---Lisas on 2/16/07


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Lisa.
Sorry you have negative experience as a Catholic and glad you are happy as a Protestant.
But i have been very happy (thank God) as a Catholic. We have to differentiate between Catholics who are Catholics out of tradition and, Catholics who are Catholics because they are born again.
Think of Francis of Assisi, Teresa of Avila, Sir Thomas More. They were all born again, driven through life by the Love of God.
The challenge is to get more Catholics and more Protestants to be born again.
---Ed on 2/16/07


Steveng, please tell us who this Saint is :))

PS: Ooooppps, sorry, I don't need him since I'm married :))
---Caring on 2/16/07


I read this morning in one of the news website say that the catholic church is asking it's parishioners that if they are lonely, they should pray to a certain saint (and it wasn't St. Valetine) to ask for help in bringing a mate.
---Steveng on 2/15/07


Lisas, where I was brought up we had many churches and priests and had the luxury of going to the best of them. You may have come from a place where there was one Catholic church which happened to have a lazy priest.

I know what I'm doing. I know what the Bible says and I would know if I'm being fed info different to what the Bible says. At times we blame all the RCC for the mistake(s) of a single priest.
---Caring on 2/15/07


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Lisas, re born again, I do not accept it the way many protestants and evangelists describe it. It's a distorted interpretation and became a slogan which I grew to dislike a lot.

Born again is going from not believing in God to believing in Him, nothing more and nothing less.

I've been taught and I also taught about the Holy Spirit and the importance of His presence in our minds and hearts.

I never did and still don't like fanaticism and a lot of it is displayed here.
---Caring on 2/15/07


Caring, your answer was perfect how a Catholic would answer. Here is what I mean. When I was a Catholic, I learned about who Christ was and what He did for me. I went to Church and tried to follow what I learned. I would confess some Saturday's and when I wanted to go I went. Sometimes a month later. In the mean time I continued my life. Never realizing that I had to be born of the Spirit. No one told me. No one ever mentioned what born again meant.
---Lisas on 2/15/07


2. If I wanted I would go to church if not I wouldn't. It was on my own conditions. A born again believer does not follow Christ on his conditions, he follows Christ because the Spirit of God moves him to follow. Gives him the need for Christ, and the love that God gives him. He is guided by the Spirit the need for prayer, for dependance on Christ. For it is a relationship now between the two people, God and ourselves. It is not of our own works if we want to or not, it is all by the grace of God.
---Lisas on 2/15/07


3. All this comes by faith. Faith in the good news, Christ. The basis of the good news is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. A person's becoming a Christian involves more than giving mental assent to the fact of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. The gospel enters our lives when Jesus Christ enters our hearts. "But as many as received Him (Christ) to them gave He power to become the sons of God" (John 1:12).
---Lisas on 2/15/07


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4. Your answer to my question on the story I gave you proves that anyone can become your god. Our communication with God is in worship. The problem with man is that man, has invented his own ways to worship God or has created his own gods to worship. God recognizes this weakness and commands that we should have no other gods before him(Exodus 20:3). When someone are something is more important then Christ then that person or something has become your god. This happens when Christ is not your whole life.
---Lisas on 2/15/07


5. I know what I was before I came to Christ Caring. I was lost and Christ was not my God. The man I talked about had put his wife above God. And anyone that puts his wife, sons, above God is not saved at all. Sure we love our wive's and kids, but never more the Christ. No one can take His place in our hearts. My answer was to prove to you that anyone can put an idol above Christ. Mary seems to be the one that has taken Christ place in the Catholics heart. It is too bad because Christ is not their Lord.
---Lisas on 2/15/07


Whenever I do something good for someone I thank God. Whenever I am able to do something good that I just couldn't do before I thank God for giving me the grace to do so. You can't give yourself the credit for being righteouss. Only God deserves the credit.
---Matthew on 2/14/07


Lisas:: You mentioned 9;19 There is a blog in this set Matt.9:19.New wine in Old Bottles I have given a brief synopsis Please read it. It may help you understand & ease some of your Hurt.Blessings my dear lady.
---Emcee on 2/14/07


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*it's a person's acceptance and cooperation with God's grace that makes a person holy.*

I agree Caring. However what truly makes us holy is God's power and not our own. We must yield to God to receive his righteousness I absolutely agree on. Still it is God's power and grace that makes us holy and not our own.
---Matthew on 2/14/07


Lisas, all I can say is that you see it as idolatry but we don't. I've been a Catholic all my life and never worshipped anyone except God.

I've knelt in front of Crucifixes: you'd call that idolatry but I don't and if we keep discussing this ad infinitum we'll be rehashing the same arguments.

Do not put statues in your house but please live and let live.
---Caring on 2/14/07


Lisas, I don't know what the story of the guy who loved his wife so much has to do with what we're talking about. Probably the guy was naive, immature or both.

I love God to the utmost and I love my wife to the utmost also but don't ask me whom I love most. Two different loves. I also love my children enormously. Can't compare. Love is unlimited and it's departmental - the more you give of it the more you end up possessing it.

Asking whom one loves most, God or wife is a silly question.
---Caring on 2/14/07


Caring, I just want to stay within the subject of Idol"s. I hate to go back to the past because it really doesn't help much in a debate unless someone's answer gets me to go back and check history. The topic of Idols is the worse, most serious custom anyone does. Of course knowing what an idol can be is important. But in the case of the Catholic's it's the saints and Mary. In anyone else's case it could be a husband, wife, job, sport. If we make that one thing more important then Christ, it is sin.
---Lisas on 2/14/07


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2. We knew a brother that had his wife as God. He worshipped her and dedicated his life just for her. He whole life revolved around her. He bought her things and always tried to please her. One day she left him, and he was devasted. His whole life came to an abrupt end. He wanted to commit suecide. When I ask him who he love more, God or his wife, he could not answer. He had made a person his God and that person let him down. Why? Because human's fail. All human's fail.
---Lisas on 2/14/07


3. But God never fails. He will always be there. The brother couldn't understand at first what he had been doing. It took him a while to really put Christ first in his life, and once he did, he was so happy trusting that God cared for his well being and that He would provide a way for him to be joyful again. Everyone fails and God forgives us. But no one can take the place of Christ in our live's if we are truely saved. He is Our one and only Lord.
---Lisas on 2/14/07


4. I said, in the case of the Catholic's only because that is the one thing that I used to do. It is true no matter what anyone says, or try's to cover it up. Everyone knows what they do in prayer, and if Christ is not the way to the Father in our prayers, then someone else has taken His place. I see how many excuses are given, but the fact is they do worship saints and Mary, and also many times worship their wife's, husbands, jobs or even their church. The church and not Christ becomes their god.
---lisaa on 2/14/07


Lisas::I live in North America In Canada.You come from S/America & are I presume of Spanish Origin.It is true That there are many misgivings In the Southern Countries as Tradition is very strong but the Catholic Church while Venerating Virgin Mary & Saints worship Only Jesus .Appearances are misleading.If you follow the MASS its All about Jesus.You refer to "9-19" there is no such thing W/O a Prefix.Who was the WOMAN that God refered toin Genesiswhile reprimanding the DEVIL.?
---Emcee on 2/13/07


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It is God's grace that makes sopmeone holy not themselves. ---Matthew on 2/13/07

No Matthew, it's a person's acceptance and cooperation with God's grace that makes a person holy. God gave us the freedom to be whomever we want to be and it's up to us to accept or reject what God gives us so saints have put efforts to become whome they became.
---Caring on 2/13/07


You are either a follower of Christ or a follower of the Devil. Mary doesn't fit into the equation. I owe as much allegiance to her as I do any dead believer. Fortunately Jesus neevr told us to pray to Mary or the Saints. Neither did Paul or any of the apostles. Neither did God. The Bible never says to honor them after death either. Besides why would you? It is God's grace that makes sopmeone holy not themselves.
---Matthew on 2/13/07


I was reading somewhere is Pslams about false Gods manmade idols, how they have eyes,but can not see,how they have ears,but can not hear,how they have a mouth,but can not utter a sound, have feet but can't walk..." point is SHE IS A MAN MADE STATUE, IT IS NOT REAL! So it is a falseness man trying to confuse those whom want to believe & of course behind confusion Satan is waiting like a lion to devour its prey.
---candice on 2/13/07


Shrines of saints. No matter what they call it, it is still idol worship. ---Lisas on 2/13/07

Lisas, what do you call monuments for dead soldiers? Are they idolatry or simply respect towards those who sacrificed their lives for the country?

We honor the saints for being good servants of God and the Church uses them as mirrors to imitate in their love towards God.
---Caring on 2/13/07


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Caring: It seems you are defending your RCC faith. It was a big mess for me. I got my sister and I kicked out of Catholic school and church. My family was force to leave the RC neighborhood. It was Hell on earth for me from the time I wa 9yo until my mom kicked me out of the house at 16. Why? I was very persistant to find why church doctrine and the Bible didn't match - at 9yo.
---Steveng on 2/13/07


Emcee, I ask you "who was in the presence of the Lord when God spoke 9-19? He could not be speaking about Mary since He is always clear with His message, if it was Mary, those people would never know what God was talking about. Why would God, even if symbolic, enter that into His words? He was speaking to Adam, Eve and the serpent. He even mentions the woman in verse 16. To the woman He said: I suppose you can put Mary if you want, but it's not there at all.
---Lisas on 2/13/07


Matthew::That passage Gen3;15 bears closer scrutiny & reflection.God the Father while admonishing the devil explains the word "Enmity" clearly. Those that Follow Mary & Her incarnate son Jesus & those who follow (Misguided followers) Satan will be at Variance TILL they CRUSH his head.So its a matter of, who you own allegiance to.She shall "Ipsa" the woman,others read Ipsum the Seed,the sence is the same,for it is by her seed Jesus that the woman crushes the serpents head.
---Emcee on 2/13/07


Emcee, what you need to do is to interpret Scripture without been bias. You cannot and never will learn when you have already excepted something to be true. How in the world can God be speaking of Mary, when she had many centuries yet to be born of the seek of Eve? How can you put Mary all the way to Genesis without total disregard to God's Word? You take a passage out of context as you have done with Matthew 16. Who can change you? no one but God. I cannot, so all I can do is print it.
---Lisas on 2/13/07


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2. You might not be interested to learn since you already know it all from your teachings, but others that are struggling to find out about learning, will take it and learn from it. At least they can check it with Scripture. All they have to do is read God's word with an open heart, and let the Spirit guide them. I have understood for a long time, that nothing we say will help you. That is a fact. So all I do is answer the question, and fill in the whole context for others.
---Lisas on 2/13/07


Caring, if you have not stated before that you worship Mary, then I am sorry. My only real reason I state things concerning Catholics that I see that is very wrong, is the worship of idols. Now I understand through study that many doctrines are wrong and I know why they are wrong. It is no secret what popes and church counsels have done with God's word, but the real sorry one is the worship of idols. That is common among Catholics. Shrines of saints. No matter what they call it, it is still idol worship.
---Lisas on 2/13/07


2. If you don't worship idols, asking Mary for help, or Paul or Juan through prayer, then you are not one of them. But where does the prayers of the rosary come into your view? Where I came from all Catholics worshipped idols. Now maybe everyone here on line has another way of calling it, but the fact is many do worship idols as has been common all through Central and South America. I don't know where you live, but maybe the Catholics there are different then the rest of the America's.
---Lisas on 2/13/07


Does this not tell you something? psalm 115
4Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
---george on 2/13/07


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alanUKquent64534, Bleeding displays and gold dust falling on someone in church sounds creepy, just like when fanactics bark like dogs and dare to say that's the Holy Spirit and play with snakes...CREEPY. God works in wonderfully strange ways, NOT [creepy] ways, it's the enemy that is creepy. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will lead His people into [ALL] truth. Once again we MUST try the spirits. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/12/07


Lisas:: Go back I read genesis CH3. God speaks to Satan;14. - then EveV#16 & - finally Adam.V17.Please print the truth Not the version of Your interpretation.
---Emcee on 2/12/07


#2. had been very friendly; they had conversed together. The woman thought at the time that the serpent was her friend, and she was so much his friend that she took his advice in the face of God's precept and was willing to believe bad things about the great Creator because of the insinuations of the wicked and crafty serpent. The minute that God spoke, the friendship between the woman and the serpent had already in some measure ended.
---Lisas on 2/12/07


#3. for the woman had now accused the serpent to God and said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." So far, the friendhsip of sinners does not last long. The friends have already begun to quarrel, and now the Lord comes in and graciously takes advantage of the quarrel and says, "I will carry this disagreement a good deal further, I will put enmity between the two. I suppose Satan counted on man's descendants being his allies but God would break up this power.
---Lisas on 2/12/07


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#4. God broke up this power that Satan thought he had achived, thus we have God's first declaration that He will set up a rival kingdom to oppose the tyranny of sin and Satan, that He will create in the hearts of a chosen seed an enmity against evil so that they shall fight against it and with many struggles and pain shall overcome the prince of darkness. The divine Spirit has abundantly achieved this plan and purpose of the Lord, combatting the fallen angel Satan, by the seed of Eve.
---Lisas on 2/12/07


#5. Paul tells us, " They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed" Romans (9:8). To connect Mary to Genesis 3, is to completely distort what truth is.
---Lisas on 2/12/07


Mrs M Even I saw that Caring was being ironic when she comments about the gold dust.
She is saying, how come gold dust is reckoned by some to be a true miracle, when Mary's tears are condemned as devilish.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/12/07


All Lisas & Matthew::The word of Almighty GOD is as clear as a bell.The "woman" declared By God the Father in answer to Satans Interference to his Plan at the Beginninbg of Creation.IS WAS & will ALWAYS be MARY The Immaculate Conception as declared By JESUS through His Vicar."I shall be with you at all times." Whether Christians believe or Not the Prophecy of God is TRUE as we all stand here..Because History has fulfilled the Fact.Satan was foiled then .The enmity does continue.
---Emcee on 2/12/07


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Thank you Matthew for your comments. I believe when Kay said that the women in Genesis 3 was not Mary, is completely true. God had just finished talking to Eve. The woman clearly talked about in Genesis from the context is Eve, since it's her's seed where even Mary came from. In Genesis 3, the first fact we see is that enmity was promised, The text begins, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman," In the context of the message, the woman spoken of was Eve. The woman and the serpent
---Lisas on 2/12/07


Lisas, NONE of the Catholic on this forum has ever stated that we worship Mary. Your and others' calumny is a lie.

We have explained it many times and you keep harping the same accusation over and over again. You do not deserve another explanation.
---Caring on 2/12/07


The quoted passage I attached below says "worship". The writer used the wrong word. The official stand of the RCC is that we worship God ALONE. We venerate Mary and the Saints.
---Caring on 2/12/07


Mrs Morgan, whenever a miracle is claimed, the Catholic Church examines it very very diligently and it takes many years to accept it as a miracle or not.

In most cases, if healing is involved, they even get non Catholic or even non-Christian doctors to study the case.
---Caring on 2/12/07


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I am guessing the Catholic bible has "he" in Genesis 3:15 translated to "she"? It is a prophecy of Jesus Christ overcoming the Devil. There will be enmity between her seed and his seed. Means there will be war between mankind and Satan and his demons. The seed of Eve not Mary. He(Jesus) will come along though and bruise his head. This is about the defeat of Satan by Jesus' finished work on the Cross. Believing that this is all about Mary can be very dangerous. It could be blasphemous.
---Matthew on 2/12/07


The vatican is avoiding inanimate objects, preferring now to run with "seers" and "visions".
---jhonny on 2/12/07


#5. from the divine and Catholic Church" now here is the reason that Emcee and Ruben and others persist in their view. Not because it is true, but because they will doubt that which Pius spoke of, and fall from the divine and the Catholic Church. They fear in words of man, more then the words of God. I can see why they hold so firm what they keep, falling from the Catholic Church. But if it cost you your soul, is it not worth it not to hold on to a lie?
---Lisas on 2/12/07


Kay::Read Matt.11:25-27;The sight of the blind are restored by the Master I am a servant.Seek & you will find .I cannot discuss something that you are so vehemently opposed to.Especially when You say God spoke to EVE,study your bible KD.
---Emcee on 2/12/07


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Caring, You said, "Whatever happens in the Catholic Church is demonic, but when gold dust falls during a Protestant service, that comes from God, right?" --Caring, [ALL] manifestations must be tried, The Word says TRY the spirits. How is gold dust falling in a church edifying? Everything God does has a PURPOSE. The enemy is just into show/flashiness. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/12/07


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