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Christians Know The Anti-Christ

Please read 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and give me your opinions on whether we will be taken out of this world before the anti-Christ is revealed or after.

Moderator - Although I am in the minority, I believe Christians will know who the Anti-Christ is. However, the majority in the apostate church today will not know him as the Anti-Christ, but instead will embrace him.

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The Pope is the Antichrist. The Ecumenical movement- an attempt to reunite all worldly churches under the Pope once again... is diseased. Modern versions are a part of it.

Protestants, read the original Geneva Bible and John Foxe's book "The Actes and Monuments of Martyrs" (1563,1570, 1576, and 1583).

John Foxe was one of the translators of the Geneva Bible (or at least very closely associated with them)- - - and, did you know that the original Geneva Bible and John Foxe's book makes clear that the two witnesses already came and who they were?

It's just too bad that Protestants care not to read these things anymore.

Hebrewes 10:24, And let vs consider one another, to prouoke vnto love, and to good workes:
---Kev on 8/17/10


The son of Perdition, is satan.
2 TIMOTHY 4:3 FOR a time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine --------
( satan in the end takes over the churches with false Gospels, sadly most people in the churches are not going to know what hits them. ( suggestion Keep reading the BIBLE very carefully!)
---RICHARD on 8/3/10


this is only one scripture but here it is and i disagree with some here that say those of us that are Christians filled with the Holy Spirit will go through the great tribulation.
God took his people out of bondage in Egypt and he will remove his bride from the wrath of the AC.


And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. ( Rev. 7:13, 14)

do you see this "came out" hmmmmmm tells me we will see a taste of it but wont go through it.
---Lea on 8/2/10


Most christians will not recognize the anti-christ for it is written that even the elect will be fooled, if that could be possible.
---Steveng on 8/2/10


Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon but in the Greek tongue his name is Apollyon.

The antichrist is satan himself. Satan will come up out of the bottomless pit. See Rev. 9 1-3.

Satan will deceive many by miracles and wonders. The only way NOT to be deceived is to be armed with the truth. John 17:17. Sanctify them thru thy truth: thy word is truth. The truth can only be found in the words of Jesus.
---barb on 8/1/10




Never heard of him. Ill have to look him up.
---JackB on 7/30/10


The Anti-Christ is Lord Maitreya. He should be not watched or listen to because he will have a very powerful mind that will decieve many. He will come as a man of peace and perform healings/miracles and have the answers for everything, the whole world will be watching and listening. Once he has the people in his grasp and the people have recieved the mark of the beast to buy and feed themselves, he will turn into the cruel'est person ever and so will many of the people who has the mark of the beast.

There are already places being prepared in the mountains/caves and countrysides all around the world for christians and other good people to go to when he comes forth.
---toni on 7/30/10


These verses are not PRE-tribulation but MID.

1 Thes 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first...


Revelation 10:7 (the angels here all carried a trumpet)
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished...

1 Cor 15:51,52
Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
---JackB on 7/28/10


I do believe in a rapture as its obvious it IS scriptural.

I would implore all of you to be prepared to lay down your life for your faith. It may be necessary.

Revelation 13:5-7
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (3 1/2 years). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations


The Saints will be here for at least 42 months, otherwise the beast has noone to make war with.
---JackB on 7/28/10


We may very well know who the anti-Christ is and since he will rise out of a 10-nation confederacy that many believe is the EU, he will likely claim Christianity not Islam. Sorry guys.

Scripture tells us and the moderator reminds us many will fall and drift away.

NASA is under direction to embrace the Islamic people right now. - Jack.

P.S. Jack- its another Shirley Sherrod type urban legend.
---larry on 7/28/10




I still believe the Christian Antichrist will be the Islamic Mahdi.

Go read up on him. Its very interesting. The Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Our Messiah has come. Theirs has not. The Jews will reject the Antichrist. That leaves only the nation of Islam.

NASA is under direction to embrace the Islamic people right now.

Hollywood has been feeding us the UFO garbage for ages. Many people believe if aliens exist that proves God doesnt.

Picture an "alien" advanced being coming down from "heaven" in a vessel (mocking the events of Ezekiels vision) explaining the origins of life to us and say he can lead us into an era of peace if we swear allegiance to his reign.
---JackB on 7/28/10


I dont support rick warren or old mc donald,but I know Paul the Apostle taught about the "rapture" as revealed to him by the Holy-Spirit...there has been a spirit of anti-christ in the world,working like the wheat and tares parable,the enemy sows tares,but the physical appearance of the Anti-Christ is saved for the short season of his power on the earth...it may well be possible for a wise man to discern him as he rises to power..its gonna be pre-trib, mid-trib(perhaps) but not post trib.The churches prayers are powerfull,we have to be gone before or we as the church would overcome him..thats a perspective not often taught.
---richard on 7/28/10


By becoming enmeshed in this world and it systems, you already have the mark of the beast who is the anti-christ. The anti-christ has always been with us deceiving people down through the age of man. You either bear the image of Christ, or you bear the image of the anti-christ. Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain form the foundation of the world. The sons will already be with Christ. Which happens in Rev. 12.
---Lenella on 5/24/10


Anyone who is not willing to give Christ Jesus a full embace will find themselves embracing the anti-christ. The reason why the world will embrace him is because he is the fullfillment of the flesh,The lust of the eye and the pride of life. The antichrist is what you embrace instead of Christ. The reason why some people that are involved in church will recieve him is because they themselves live a disobedient life toward Christ. Some people are looking for someone like Hitler to be the antchrist. not so. He will come in peace then show his true colors later. But if some have lost thier descernment through sin they will think he is good and be caught up in tribulation also
---Tiffany on 5/20/10


Christians are so vain to think that they will be raptured before the great tribulation while christians and godly people throughout all of earth's history have had to experience tribulations.
---Steveng on 5/17/10

AMEN STEVEN!!!

Tribulation is for believers. Wrath is for the wicked. It derives from the word Tribul. Which is a small sled with stones on the bottom used to seperate the wheat from the chaff. My Spirit joys during all Tribulations, my flesh does not.

This is why the Psuedo Carnal Beorgouse Ricky Warren Types subscribe to the Heresy of Pre-trib Started by an Occultist named Margaret Mac Donald(google it) Nice earthy life and life insurance from the 2 minute "sinner prayer" is all they want.
---John on 5/18/10


Cluny- I neither used 'substitute' nor 'alternative' in any description of Jesus Christ. To what are you referring?

Christ is Christ, there is only one Christ just as there is only one Almighty God, Jehovah. How do you arrive at the conclusion that I teach an 'alternative' Christ? Or is it that it sounds good and you couldn't think of anything else to say?

More serious is the fact that trinitarians teach 'Jesus is God' or 'God incarnate'. These are anti-Christ teachings because they insidiously promote the belief that Jesus did not come in the flesh (1 Jo.4:2,3), but was 'God' who is 'a Spirit' (Jo.4:24).

'Incarnate' is found in ancient Egyptian and Greek mythology.
---David8318 on 5/18/10


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Christians are so vain to think that they will be raptured before the great tribulation while christians and godly people throughout all of earth's history have had to experience tribulations. Was Noah and his family raptured? Was David and his friends? Christians today will need to put on the full armor of God to endure until the end. Can you endure three and a half years of total worldwide anarchy? It is this tribulation that will separate the wheat from the tares, the christians from the christians who call themselves christian in name only. The strong christians will need to hold the hands of the weak. Are you absolutely sure in your heart that you are ready?
---Steveng on 5/17/10


Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them, and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS:

the great mark of the beast: CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS. Many of you have already accepted a change in Gods time and laws. and you still think you will know the antichrist?
---francis on 5/17/10


I agree with the moderator whole heartedly!

The AntiChrist has already infiltrated most of the churches out there. Only the truely saved are aware of his presence. I'm just stating the facts, not trying be an elitist, as the chosen few can never boast, but are in deep sorrow and Tribulation over the status of the world and the false apostate churches of today who love the world.

The overwhelmly "DO-GOODERS" Carnal Psuedo Christians Have already embraced and welcome the AntiChrist in both their lives and churches. He lives and thrives in nearly ALL the chruches of today!!!
---JOHN on 5/17/10


I am not worried about knowing the anti-christ because he will be in opposition to the Christ I know.

I have no problem reconizing my wife coming out of a large crowd at an airport. Similarly, if one knows Christ, the anti-christ will be evident.
---Rod4Him on 5/17/10


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\\Mod is correct- True Christians know exactly who the AC is and those who do not embrace the AC and his 'Jesus is God' teaching.
---David8318 on 5/14/10\\

What you're professing is the AntiChrist (that is, substitute or alternative Christ) doctrine, David.
---Cluny on 5/16/10


the coming of the lord and our gathering to him (day of christ) will not come until the apostasia comes first and the man of sin is revealed

the day of christ is at the 6th seal the day of his wrath begins after he resurrects/gathers his saints in rev 7 out of great tribulation

the "coming of the lord" and "gathering" are on the same day

1 thess 4
15for this to you we say in the word of the Lord, that WE WHO ARE LIVING who do remain over to the *COMING OF THE LORD*

17THEN WE WHO ARE LIVING, who are remaining over, together with them shall be CAUGHT AWAY in clouds to meet the Lord in air,

THE COMING AND CATCHING UP ARE THE SAME DAY AS PROVED BY THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE
---glen on 5/16/10


In the context of 1 John 4:2,3, John said it is those who do not confess Jesus 'as having come in the flesh' who push 'anti-Christ' teachings.

Thus for example, Jesus gave a basic truth at John 4:24 saying 'God is a spirit'. Anyone who therefore teaches 'Jesus is God' is not teaching Jesus 'as having come in the flesh' but is 'a spirit'.

Teaching 'Jesus is Almighty God' is anti-Christ.

The 'man of lawlessness' at 2 Thess.2:3 is representative of Christendom's clergy class who give fuel to the 'great apostasy' spoken of by Paul by teaching anti-Christ 'Jesus is God' propaganda.

Mod is correct- True Christians know exactly who the AC is and those who do not embrace the AC and his 'Jesus is God' teaching.
---David8318 on 5/14/10


Well, if you will read in Daniel 7:25 you will find God's answer. The answer is YES.
---catherine on 5/14/10


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yes, that's Satan's Seat that found all over the world today. Remember we are in the period of tribulation now. So, He took God's seat showing himself as God.

This verse 2 Thes 2:3-4 is confirmed in other verses like 2 cor. 11:13-14 that He changed himself as angel of light so anyone would hardly distinguished him as enemy. The Bible says they worshiped him. Rev. 13:8. Matthew 24:5 He perform miracles Rev. 13:14 related to Matthew 24:24
God is commanding every believer to come out from churches. Rev 18:4, Flee to the moun tains. Matthew 24:15 why? punishment begins at house of God 1 Pet4:17
---rosalie on 5/13/10


Concerning the AC, I'm not concerned with trying to identified that person because if I keep my focus on Christ, the AC will become obvious. I am looking for Christ, not a person or figurehead.

It's somewhat like looking for someone you know in a crowd. I'll know Christ when I see Him.

I can remember when folks thought JFK was the AC because he had a mortal head wound and was a RCC.
---Rod4Him on 4/21/10


to the moderator,

i agree that the church will be raptured after the AC is revealed

but jesus comes back for his saints at an unknown time during the 42 month reign of the beast, not at the end of the 42 months

jesus said those days (tribulation of saints), will be shortened
---glen on 4/21/10


The long history of christians identifying certain individuals as the antichrist, and ofcourse being wrong each time says something about christians ability to correctly identify the antichrist, or christians ability to understand these prophecies.

If christians really knew what the bible said about the antichrist, there would not be so many wrongful accusations.

I am convinced, that because they are wrong so often that they do not know who or what the antichrist is, and thus will be deceived when the real antichrist comes.

While they are watching one person as the possible antichrist, the real antichrist may be the one pointing them to that person.
The antichrist may be sayingthat another person is the antichrist.
---francis on 4/20/10


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In agreement with the moderator I believe Christians and many Jews will properly identify the Anti-Christ. No doubt some unbelievers will come to the household of faith during his unveiling, but sadly many, who at least attend church, will fall away.

As for in our life time I doubt it. Israel doesn't appear that close to the destruction of the Dome of the Rock, the rebuilding of Temple Mount and a war with the entire Arab world, but Iran may hasten such a war and start the ball rolling.

On the other hand Europe seems rudderless and ripe for the anti-Christ to rise out of the 10-nation coalition.
---larry on 4/19/10


according to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the man of sin will be revealed. To whom? I believe the church. This would mean that the church will go through the tribulation, as opposed to be taken away before the man of sin is revealed.
(if that is what this text means to you)

Mainstream churches have made several failed guesses at who the antichrist is. Last attempt is president Obama. With mainstream churh who the antichrist is has become a guessing game.

Safe to say i think many in mainstream churches will be decieved by the antichrist, because they make so many guesses, they will fail to identify hom when he* comes.
---francis on 4/19/10


I agree with Dave Smith on the antichrist being medicine. Doesnt 666 refer to man playing God, not necessarily one man. I think that the head wound may be symbolic for these life-sustaining procedures.
Look at what is happening, isnt that what they are doing. Im not talking about simple things like a cut that needs stitches or even the flu but major life prolonging or altering procedures but killing our babies, reviving the dead, unnaturally conceived children, plastic surgery all for the sake of beauty, pills, pills and more pills.
Doctors are so revered by everyone and how much importance is placed on being young and fit and living as long as we can, thwarting Gods call from this life to eternal life.
---Lisa on 4/19/10


Moderator: "Although I am in the minority, I believe Christians will know who the Anti-Christ is. However, the majority in the apostate church today will not know him as the Anti-Christ, but instead will embrace him."

Not only in the apostate church, but all Christians who are part of any denominational church (RCC, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodist, Mormons, JWs, Protestants, Wiccas, Buddhists) will not recognized the Anti-christ. He will deceive all, even the elect, if that were possible. Most Christians today don't have a very personal, very intimate relationship with God and will not hear the whispers of God.
---Steveng on 8/3/08


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Greeting in Christ! I believe that there will come a period of 3 1/2 years or 42 months or 1260 days of tribulation, during the Testimony of the two witnesses at Jerusalem, plus 30-75 more days (for the 'raptura') when the false worldly prophet leader establishes the abomination that causes in The Temple of God. There will be about 1185 days of Great Tribulation Desolation Decrees issued forth as written in Revelation in accordance with The Testimony of John the Apostle.
---John on 8/2/08


The Antichrist is a person. There is only one alive at any time in history. He never retires, but he dies. Then the next one takes over. He is not a King or politician. He is not the head of the Jesuit Order (although this man is his mentor). He sets himself up in between the Christian and Christ. He demands perfect obedience at whatever cost. He deceives people, and tries to deceive the elect. Not many people have caught on to who he is. His seat is in Rome but he will want to establish himself at the Temple in Jerusalem, so he makes war on the Middle East hoping to be able to walk into a victorious situation taking Jerusalem from both the Muslims and the Jews.
---frances008 on 7/23/08


In today's world there are many anti-christ's. There are many who are and will oppose Jesus and everything that He stands for.
---catherine on 7/23/08


Jn 17:15 "I pray NOT that thou shouldest TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but that thou should keep them from evil."

2Th 2:3 Let NO ONE in ANY WAY deceive you, for that DAY(SECOND COMING) CANNOT COME WITHOUT the coming of the apostasy FIRST, and the appearing of the man of sin, the son of perdition, who sets himself against.

The Church must ENDURE right to the very end of the world to be WITNESSES to all the nations (Matt 28:18-20). AGAIN, our Lord did not ask His Father to have the Church raptured BEFORE the end, but protected from the evil one (Jn 17:15).

"But he that shall endure (in faithfulness) unto the END, the same shall be saved."MATT24:13
---gracynluv on 7/22/08


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Christians are never taken out of the world ...remember Christ is to rule earth after He defeats Satan

...even the ELECT (Christians) will be deceived

Matthew 24:24...many who believe they are part of the elect will be deceived becoming indifferent and careless ...this is why Christ told Christians to WATCH, PRAY, that you are accounted WORTHY to ESCAPE

beast WILL REIGN before the destruction occurs ..this will be a test for all Christians ...those who are accounted worthy to escape the destruction (not reign of beast) will be protected by escaping ...escape is not taken away ...escape requires action on part of person who escapes ...if one escapes a fire they are not taken away from it ...they run
---Rhonda on 7/21/08


There will be some Christians here!
---catherine on 7/21/08


i believe the Antichrist is alive today. i believe also that he won't be revealed to anyone until the tribulation.(2 Thess 2:5-7)
the Bible talks of two distinct comings of the Lord. the First will be quick and no one knows when the meeting of believers in the clouds (the rapture)will be. the Second coming is totally different because we know when that will happen. at the end of the tribulation before Armageddon and the church will be coming with Jesus. As a Christian you can't help but wonder who the Antichrist is. But if you keep your eyes on God and His Word, he will reveal to you what is necessary. when the Antichrist desecrates the temple his identity will be revealed to the Jews and they will flee.try some of Tim LaHayes writings.
---melissa on 7/20/08


I believe Christians will have to suffer for the first part of the Tribulation, and hold out for Christ like the Bible says. However I also believe we will see and know the deciever, however he will have no power over us and we will be raputred out before He begins his reign of terror as described in Revelation 3:10. But Christians are not getting off scot free we must go through the birth pains. The Bible clearly tells us that many times. However it does say the church will be kept from the hour of trial, which means we as Christians will not have to go through the worst part. Jesus in Matthew 24:22 tells Christians our time in that era will be shortened, not eliminated.
---Bobby on 7/20/08


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Much credence must be given the view the moderator holds. While not absolutely convinced, it seems that the identity of the Antichrist will be made known to the elect(born-again believers) just before they fly away to meet their savior in the air, o what a would glorious day that will be when we will see Jesus!!!!!!
---mima on 4/24/08


Judging by what's happening around the world - most people WON'T recognize the anti-christ and he may even fool some of the elect. We are to be watching for Christ not the A-C, but I believe Christians will know and even now are suspecting that he is at work. a few suspects are: Javier Solana (name means savior, head of the EU & WEU), the Pope(just came out pro evolution which denies the Bible), Tony Blair( peace keeper in Israel), but it may be that it will surprise us. Guess this didn't help this ?
---Andrea on 7/26/07


I believe specifically the anti-christ is western medicine and mental health. Many doctors are godless and don't understand spiritual people.
---Dave_Smith on 7/26/07


Part one>>>There are several events previous to the second coming of Christ. 1-A general Apostasy. No sooner was Christianity planted and rooted in the world than there began to be a defection in the Christian Church. 2-Apostle speaks of the revelation of that wicked one. Here he seems to speak of his rise. He is called the man of sin. And he is the son of perdiction. The Apostle assures the Thessalonians that the Lord would destroy him.
---catherine on 7/26/07


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Part Two>>>This will be the brightness of Christ's coming.>>>A divine power is pretended for the support of this kingdom, but it is only after the working of Satan. God will PUNISH MEN for their UNBELIEF, and for their dislike of the TRUTH and love to sin and wickedness. He sometimes withdraws His grace from such sinners. He gives them up to their own hearts' lusts, and leaves them to themselves, and then sin will follow ofcourse.
---catherine on 7/26/07


My understanding is that Christians will not have to make the choice of taking the mark of the beast. Will Christians know who the Antichrist is? I think yes!! But the rapture will soon occur after that knowledge is given to the Christians. To take the mark of the beast is doom oneself to hell, the rapture will take place therefore before that temptation. Because we know we are kept from the hour of temptation.
---Mima on 7/26/07


yes people will see him he will be seting in the temple showing him self that he is GOD. God's people will know he is not God but the unsaved will belive he is God
---betty on 7/26/07


Not only do I believe the Word teaches that Christians will see the anti-christ, I believe that the Bible also teaches by the example of Noah and Joseph that we are to prepare.
---Cheryl on 7/25/07


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If Holy Spirit is "HE" who restrains & "HE" is out with "Part 1" Bride-who's saved later? "No man can come to the Father except.."
"Restrainer"=Michael(Dan.12:1)Revelation speaks of fighting between them. Jesus said he'd be with us til the end of the age-not 7 years before.How? Through His Holy Spirit. He left so the "Comforter" could come?

Yes, we'll be here and we'll see the Antichrist and we'll have BIG choices to make.
---Leah on 7/27/06


The disciples asked Jesus about his 2nd coming and the end of the world, and Jesus said that the elect will see this Antichrist who sets up an idol of himself. Jesus answered them and said, "When you all therefore will see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso reads, let him understand:)" Matthew 24:15.
---Eloy on 5/11/06


Jack, that was funny about the fish flying through the air. I know exactly what you are talking about but it was funny the way you put it.
---Linda6563 on 5/10/06


According to the parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13, the "rapture" is that of the tares. BOTH grow together until the harvest. It doesn't say the wheat is gathered 7 days (or 1007 days) before harvest time, now does it?

In the parable of the dragnet in the same chapter, what goes sailing through the air? Hint--NOT the good fish.
---Jack on 5/10/06


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NO rapture No rapture You'll see Jesus at the ressurection!!!!!!!
---Thomas on 5/8/06


Christians today will not know the antichrist. If you read Rev 3:10 you will see that believers who are untainted by false theology will be taken away before the Tribulation which is meant for the wicked. 2 thess 2:7 aso says that "he" who restrains the antichrist will be taken away (He= Holy spirit in the body of the church). There will be people saved during the Tribulation but these will have been unbelievers before the Rapture
---Christina_Lovett on 5/8/06


To answer the question asked. After. It is answered in that verse. For that day (the day of the Lords coming) shall not come, except (not unless) there come a falling away (defection from truth) first, and that man of sin be revealed, (uncovered, disclosed, and his attempt to take,or deceive whomsoever he can be completed), the son of perdition. (The Anti-christ).
---josef on 5/5/06


Part 3 of 3 The word Wicked as it is used in 2 Thes. 2:8 is used only once more in Acts 2:33 when referring to the source of the influence that prompted the men of Israel to crucify Christ. He is that strong delusion sent forth of The Father in 2 Thes. 2:11. as defined by the term itself. (Strong-1753 from 1756, powerful, active also from 1722 and 2041, which denotes a instrument of deception that has been placed as a) (delusion-4106 fem. of 4108, fraud, impostor, in a position to mislead the faithless.
---josef on 5/5/06


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Part 2 of 3. cont. "The son of perdition", denoting the only child of God that is already condemned to perdition. (used only twice in scripture) Defined-(ref. 684, derived from 622, from the root of 572, Eternally lost, destined to perish, sentence to be destroyed fully). This term again can only be applied to Satan. Confirmed by Jesus in John 17:12. He is that Wicked, (defined at its root, as The Lawless one, one who has never been open to, or under subjection to the principles of The Father.)
---josef on 5/5/06


Satan is identified as (The Anti-christ). Defined in the strong's greek dictionary, ref 500 from 473 and 5547, as The opponent of The Christ, A substitution or counterfeit messiah. To further identify him, 2 Thes.2:3, reveals him as the "man of sin", denoting the original sinner. The opposer, the origin of sin. This term is used only once in scripture, and can apply to no other seeing that it signifies a completely sinful nature. Part 1 of 3
---josef on 5/5/06


Naaa, I dont think that he is liked enough. I think it will be someone that is extremely well liked. Has to be someone that can persuade people without them even thinking twice about it.
---chris on 4/12/06


Good to know... Hopefully he is. I wouldnt wish anyone to suffer like the antichrist will eventually suffer. But, of course, it was just joking around.
---chris on 4/12/06


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However, Could it be Prince William? Folks have said it is Prince Charles because of all of his occultic credentials. But, I don't think he'll ever be popular enough... William, on the other hand... ponder... has by birth all the same credentials...ponder... hmmmmmmmm
---daphn8897 on 4/12/06


chris, Don't think it's George Clooney. Len Mink, who used to be associated with Kenneth Copeland Ministries (not sure if he still is), knew George's Aunt, Rosemary Clooney, and said he led George to the Lord as a youth. So, though off track now, he very well may be saved.
---daphn8897 on 4/12/06


I have to say it will be difficult for the Anti-christ to have much power and operate while there are millions of Christians who know their Bibles well. They would recognize him and pray fire down on his head! In Revelation 11:3, the two witnesses alone give the Antichrist enough headaches. LOL! Anyway, knowing the Antichrist shouldnt be our primary goal, knowing Jesus Christ as our personal Savior and having our names written in the Lamb's Book of Life should be our number-one priority.
---glrs on 4/6/06


I believe that some Christians will escape the 7 year tribulation. The wedding story that Jesus gave in Matthew 25:2-13, is a parable of the rapture of the Church. It explains how some will not be ready and will be left behind to undergo tribulations. You may also like to refer to this verse:- "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth " (Revelation 3:10
---glrs on 4/6/06


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When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The armys members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.

Moderator - It is very possible the Rapture could be a day before.
---glrs on 4/6/06


Moderator, I agree completely with you. After all, we were given a big hint "666".
---Nellah on 4/5/06


Moderator Ok if you think we are going to go through the 7 year tribulation, do you think we are in the beginning of it now because it sure seems like it to me!

Moderator - No, we are not in the Great Tribulation yet. However, the stage continues to be set. Throughout church history, the church always believed the church would be raptured toward the end of the Great Tribulation. It is only in the past 200 years the pre-trib rapture came into being. Interesting that the church has been becoming more apostate during this period of time?
---eliza4969 on 4/5/06


I have been joking lately with my wife that George Clooney is the Anti-Christ. Because he is so well liked and gets all this publicity about how wonderful he is. OF COURSE I AM JUST KIDDING AROUND.

Then I hear rumors that he may get into politics. Could it be?!?!?!

(Still kidding)
---chris on 4/5/06


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Sorry Moderator, I stated that too poorly, I just assumed that you would understand that when I said we should should be watching for Jesus return, that you would "know" that it would be at the time of the Rapture (being as that is what I was speaking about)when He shouts for us to come up hither. Only the Believer will see and hear Him at that time, but at His Return with all the Saints at the Battle of Armageddon, All eyes will see Him.
---Christy on 4/5/06


Moderator I too believed before like you did that we would go through the 7 year tribulation but if you are here it's because you are part of that apostate church. read Revelation 3:10

Moderator - That scripture doesn't take about the Rapture.
---eliza4969 on 4/5/06


but to this question about 2 thes. 2:3 it does sound like we will know who the antichrist is before Jesus comes back or be decieved by him.
---eliza4969 on 4/5/06


Revelation 3:10 because you have kept my command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
---eliza4969 on 4/5/06


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Moderator, although I agree in part with you I don't agree in all. The antichrist will not be known untill "After" the Rapture, therefore the Believer who will be taken out will not know him but the ones that are Left Behind will recoganize him "If" they had heard the Word. We as Believers are not to be looking for the antichrist but instead should have our eyes looking for Jesus return.

Moderator - Jesus doesn't return until the end of the seven year Tribulation. Show scriptures that state the Anti-Christ will not be known until after the Rapture.
---Christy on 4/5/06


M.P., I believe the moderator is correct, in that if true believers are still on this earth when he comes, by witness of the Holy Spirit we will recognize. I am still on the fence however, as to whether or not we will be here. I Thes.5:9 - we're not appointed to wrath.
---daphn8897 on 4/5/06


I just heard an old time preacher preach on this this morning on FBN. Though He could be in the world today, he won't be reveiled to after the rapture. Read Revelation.
---Rev_Herb on 4/5/06


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