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Are You A Spirit-Filled Bragger

Why do people refer to themselves as "Spirit filled" as if that is something to brag about. I may be stupid, but I was taught that if a believer is walking with the Lord, they are filled with the Holy Spirit. Why are people bragging so much?

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Well, we shouldn't brag. And we are all guilty. But, if you are walking close to God, you know that you are bragging, so you should stop it.>>>AMEN!++
---catherine on 5/25/08

Bragging is a cousin to pride.People like this are trying to make themselves out to be more than they are,,,ad nauseum. People like this are nothing according to the bible.Leave the bragging and complimenting one's self to others.They are usually liars and people to stay far away from.
---Robyn on 5/24/08

Those who boast shall be humbled.
God's gifts are to serve him, not to be a display to men, like the vain repetitions of the Pharisees. Speaking unintelligible sounds in the presence of others in order to fit in and appear pious is not the will of God. Boast of your weaknesses. Don't seek to elevate yourself above another by boasting of a gift, as if it were not a gift. Surely, such proclaimed gifts are false if they cause you to sin.
---Paul on 10/31/07

Helen, the bible also says about partnership...
I am not saying that we can twist Gods arm so please dont go there
---mark_B. on 8/13/07

There are no bad gifts from God. I'll be glad to take the least of what He offers.

I've come to think that a lot of people judge themselves bc they do not speak in tongues and there are many better gifts of the Spirit.
They are given dividedly. We who speak in tongues should continue to seek God's better gifts. Prophecy, healings, Words of wisdom, knowledge etc.
---Andrea on 8/13/07

Lorra8574 - ("I am well blessed by the Holy Spirit, but have never spoken in tongues - which is my own personal preference respected by God.") -- Really? Scripture teaches that God is the boss, not you. And as far as speaking in tongues being the least of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, I challenge that seeing it was the first gift given on the day of Pentecost.
---Helen_5378 on 8/13/07

Helen, speaking in tongues is one of the least of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Why would that one gift make one "spirit filled" and not any of the others? I am well blessed by the Holy Spirit, but have never spoken in tongues - which is my own personal preference respected by God.

Are those who are claiming to be "spirit filled" merely identifying with their particular gift, and if so, what should we call the others?
---lorra8574 on 8/12/07

O'darn! did I say TV Pastors, I mean't TV personalities. (There really isn't a difference between the two, but I want to be politically correct)
---Marcia on 8/12/07

I think it is because the sheep are learning it from their shepherds. In these days it is common to hear Pastors boasting about being spirit-filled. I have never heard the Good Shepherd say I am Spirit filled. Exspecially, a lot of TV pastors have a Self-Righteous, Holyer then thou, attitude- it is a complete turn off to me.
---Marcia on 8/12/07

What Spirit-filled means is that a believer has been baptised in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. It is different from the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit the moment a Christian gets saved.
---Helen_5378 on 8/12/07

Years ago I worked for a telivision evangelical ministry. Being new, I met a fine lady that when you asked how she was would say "Blessed and chosen of God". She would go on to state how she had awaken at 4:30 am to have her prayer time and Bible study before getting to work at 6:00 am. In a way I felt like she was bragging...and felt a little inadequate. Later God showed it was just that He had appointed my time to be with Him more at 9:00 at night.
---LisaB on 8/11/07

If I boast I boast in Christ - not in self. To be filled with the spirit at salvation is one thing and it is the MOST important thing a person can do. To be filled with the Holy Ghost is to get out of your own way - open your mouth speak a strange language and be willing to let God pray His perfect will. It should be very humbling and if it sounds like bragging its just the joy over flowing that God would want to use me.
---Andrea on 8/11/07

Yes I'm bragging!!! I'm bragging about what the Lord Jesus Christ and done with me. He has taken a rotten no good mean-spirited individual and turned me upside down. And I now spend my time trying to get others to receive Him. Salvation is better feeled then told about!!! Oh thank you Jesus!!!
---mima on 8/11/07

Jude states that it is for personal edification, for building oneself up in his most holy faith. That may sound selfish but I am not much good in building anyone else up (even my neighbor) if I myself am not built up. The river always waters the garden it flows out of before it waters anything outside of it.
---Linda6563 on 8/11/07

To be filled with the Spirit is to get the baptism of the Holy Ghost and even then the word of God says we receive the spirit by measure and only Jesus had the fullness of the Spirit of God. Spirit filled is merely a term that many use amiss and some use to exalt themselves. I tend only to use the spirit filled in reference to a church void of doctrinal limitations of man and is open to the leading of the Spirit during services.
---Heather on 6/24/06

Thomas ... My word is very very fallible. The KJV is a translation made at least 1500 years after the original manuscripts were written. You are entitled to think that that is infallible, and that it retains its full and understandable meaning through another 5 centuries during which the common usage of words has significantly changed.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/21/06

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Thank you Thomas. I appreciate you saying so.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06

These things you call mistakes in writting the bible they have their place in the plan of God just as the philistines had their place in the plan of God, to see if the Children of Isreal would continue in faith to serve God. If these so called mistakes hinder your faith in the infallable word that is found in the Bible you Cannot please God.
---Exzucuh on 4/20/06

Alan8869 of u.k., You say, how can the KJV be infallable? Alan I suppose your word is infallable, not a chance.
---Thomas on 4/20/06

Bruce5656, I did express my feelings about handling snakes. I don't think God wants us hopping and jumping around with a rattler in one hand and a fruit jar of stricnine in the other. I would like to think GOD gave us better sense than that. Yes, some scripture has to be studied more closly than other scripture in order to understand it better. Bruce, it was not my intention to offend you and if I did I apologize.
---Thomas on 4/20/06

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God is awesome isnt he? How do you find it so hard to believe alan8869_of_UK? Didnt God create the earth, blades of grass, physics, molecules, etc.? Doesnt the bible tell us that he WILL preserve his Word? Doesnt it tell us that every word is inspired by God?

after all that, does God lack the power to inspire "a translation from one language into another some 15 centuries later"?
---chris on 4/20/06

How can the KJV be infallible? It is after all only a translation from one language into another some 15 centuries later.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/20/06

Upset? Not in the least.

I don't mind having a discussion with anyone - when it is a discussion (two sided.) By your own admittance to John T, you have no intention of offering an explaination of the passage. You will not answer my questions, yet you insist I answer yours. (Even when I had already done so in a previous post.)

All you have done is tell others they are wrong with out offering another view. That attitude is what I have no time for.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06

John T., Bruce seems to think that the KJV is not infallable. Many people believe it is the infallable word of GOD. I have not said what I believe one way or another, nor do I intend to. I don't think I owe Bruce any apology, but I wish Bruce wasn't so easily upset. Watch that blood pressure, Bruce.
---Thomas on 4/20/06

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John T., Bruce seems to think that the KJV is not infallable. Many people believe it is the infallable word of GOD. I have not said what I believe one way or another, nor do I intend to. I don't think I owe Bruce any apology, but I wish Bruce wasn't so easily upset. Watch that blood pressure, Bruce.
---Thomas on 4/20/06


For what it is worth, your 4/17 posting does seem to be taunting Bruce. He called you on it, and you need to apologize or explain, or both.

Each of us ruffles other's feathers sometimes. That is the nature of playing in this sandbox.

Most of us kiss &make up, and move along. (metaphor)
---John_T on 4/20/06

We agree to an extent. Basically, I was replying to Thomas, not you.

Because Mark 16:8ff is not in the best mss, it is not a good section on which to create a doctrine from--unless supported by other verses. Snakes and poisons are not.

The Paul &snake incident neither proves nor disproves vs18. If that were so, Luke would have said it, like he said in Luke 4:18-21.
---John_T on 4/19/06

To Bruce 5656, No one is playing games with you. You are a 10 year old child taking his football and going home because he can't play without getting angry. Don't respond if you don't want to.
---Thomas on 4/19/06

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As I have explained, the verse in question has a very specific application. It was true then as we see in the case of Paul being bitten with out harm and it is true today.

A modern way of saying it is that there is no safer place to be than in the center of God's will for your life.

The passage has nothing to do with tempting God as some do today and everything to do with God's protection on his servants.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06

Incidently we see the other aspects of the verses fulfilled in the book of Acts also. Casting out demons, healing, tongues, protection from snake bite. The only one not specificaly noted is to do with protection from drinking something harmful but I imagine there was more than one person drank contanimated water in their travels and was protected.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06

Ok Thomas, you refuse to discuss or answer anyon elses questions so that is fine. I am not interested in your games.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06

It is not that any version is unreliable, it is "Does this PART bring in doctrines not supported in other parts of the NT?"

That is the problem with Mark 16:8ff. No other place in the NT says taking up snakes, etc. That raises questions by itself, but adding to it is the likely possibility of a copyer inserting his own words to the text.

Therefore, we are wise in not using that section as a proof text for anything. That PART is shaky. There is no other shaky part to the NT canon.
---John_T on 4/19/06

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EVERY version is a TRANSLATION, based upon various manuscripts (mss). Only the original is infallible (autographa) and none exist.

Therefore we use the different NT mss to compile the different books of the Bible. Using a Critical Aparatus, the scholars are able to look at the variant readings of a passage, and see the degree of certainty there is that codex A,B, etc. has the best reading.

There is lots more to this. Mark 16:8ff is not in many good mss, so it may be suspect.
---John_T on 4/19/06

Bruce5656, What have you explained? Some things are as their read and some things mean something entirely different than they say at least that's the impression you leave me with. It may be Bruce you can't understand the questions your asked and therefore you not able to answer them. Read carefully what is written.
---Thomas on 4/19/06

John T, Then it is being said there are parts of scripture that can not be relied upon. Then the bible isn't infalliable? Enlighten me.
---Thomas on 4/19/06

In the beginning was Logos and Logos was God,any person who cannot believe the God of the universe can provide an adequate sourse of information. Has no faith in the power of God and has sinned by limiting him. If you prove your point by discrediting Gods word, The only foundation you have is your own word or some other sourse, which is unexceptable.
---Exzucuh on 4/18/06

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Exzucuh...excellent Scripture correlation.
---Linda6563 on 4/18/06

Thomas: Because Mark16:8 to end is NOT found in the most relaible Greek manuscripts, the verses are not a good source to get doctrine from, unless substianted by other NT Scriptures.

BTW Beware of church bulletins that invite people to BYOR.
(Bring your own rattlesnake) He He
---John_T on 4/18/06

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Jesus and John both called the pharisees and scribes serpents because their father was the devil.
---Exzucuh on 4/18/06

What is your point? and what is with the attitude??

You accuse me of not being willing to state my position on the matter but if you would take the time to read the previous blogs here you would see that I already had done so on 4/12/06.
---Bruce5656 on 4/18/06

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If you dissagree with the explaination I have offered then and again today, I am as interested as anyone in hearing what you think to be correct application of this passage.

It always makes me wonder when people like you insist that your questions be answered yet you ignore those that are asked of you.
---Bruce5656 on 4/18/06

Bruce5656, If you don't know something say so and move own. What's grade school got to do with it? Be plain or don't say anything. I am an old man and I speak plain.
---Thomas on 4/18/06

Re: not being able to see these things until you were baptized in the Holy Ghost.

Exactly Tressa, exactly.
---Linda6563 on 4/18/06

There is no need to "clarify" or otherwise spiritualize what is meant by the handling of serpents, drinking a deadly thing etc. As I noted previously here, we have a specific example of what is intended in Acts 28:1-6 when Paul was bitten by a poisonous snake and yet unharmed. This was a literal fulfilment of the promise found in Mark 16:18. The promise simply and literaly deals with protection from harm while engaged in Kingdom business.
---Bruce5656 on 4/18/06

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To engage in "snake handling" is to "tempt God" in exactly the same manner Jesus was tempted by Satan to do. He was tempted to put himself in harm's way because, after all, God would protect him. Jesus refused quoting scripture: Matthew 4:7, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
---Bruce5656 on 4/18/06

Taunting? What is this grade school?
---Bruce5656 on 4/18/06

I just wanted to help clarify the handling of serpents. the Bible refers to a serpent meaning an evil spirit or devil. Jesus himself spoke in parables, how then can we interpret the parables as literal meaning? I never understood the scriptures until recieving the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking with new tongues ( Greek meaning languages ) Understanding only comes by the drawing and moving of the Holy Ghost. No man can come unto the Father exept he be drawn of the Spirit.
---tressa on 4/18/06

#5Luke 16:29-31"If they hear not Moses and the Prophets (Holy Scripture) neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead". Consider that Jesus refused to give signs when people demanded them instead of trusting His words, calling them an evil and adulterous generation who craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; that is, His Resurrection. That greatest of all signs is enough!
---Tina5349 on 4/17/06

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#4And when sufficient verification had been given and recorded in the Scriptures to stand for all time as attesting to the truth of the Gospel, just as if they had been done before our very eyes, why are further signs needed?
---Tina5349 on 4/17/06

#3Consider what Jesus said about the purpose of those signs: Mark 16:20"confirming the Word" and showing that "the Lord (was) working with them." The miraculous gifts were signs about the Gospel. They were establishing the truth, accuracy, and reality of the Word. But even then not indiscriminately or casually, like a common thing, but only in given cases as the Spirit of God saw fit.
---Tina5349 on 4/17/06

Matt.17:20 Our Lord says that even a little faith - "faith as a grain of mustard seed" - can do such things, even move mountains.
If and when Gods purposes must be served but ordinary earthly and human resources are not equal to the occasion, only then does He use extraordinary means.
---Tina5349 on 4/17/06

#1 I am not denying that such miracles (tongues, poison, lifting up serpents without harm, etc) could indeed happen, if in God's providence, He deemed it necessary, as in an emergency situation. Yes! We who believe in the greatest miracles - Creation, the Incarnation, our Savior's death and Resurrection on our behalf, and the power of God's Word, certainly believe that He *could* do these lesser miracles. It would be small potatoes for Him. But does He work that way? What does scripture say?
---Tina5349 on 4/17/06

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Bruce5656, Luke 14:26 Bruce you tell me does it mean what it says. Can you lift up serpents or not? Is it correct as written? You don't want to commit, do you Bruce? Answer me Bruce.
---Thomas on 4/17/06

I do not belive We are suppose to be picking up snakes and handleing them Too me that would be temping God those people that do this does not understand what the true meaning of this scripture means.
---Betty2 on 4/17/06

When Jesus spoke of leaven, was He just talking about that stuff you put in dough to make it rise. No. He makes it clear that He was talking about sin, hypocrisy, unbelief, pride, etc. If you take it all literally, you have no kingdom principles because the kingdom comes not with observation. It is a spiritual kingdom and not of this world.
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so also shall the Son of Man be lifted up." Jesus Himself made this comparison and made it clear what that serpent lifted up in the wilderness pointed to. On top of that, it was a brass serpent, representing the judgment of what was biting them. There was life for a look. Those who looked, lived. Those who didn't...well, the poison killed them.
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

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Does this mean what it says?

Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
---Bruce5656 on 4/17/06

Bruce5656, they shall lift up serpents - The question was does it mean what it says. I don't think you know Bruce.
---Thomas on 4/17/06

And as Bruce said, "Let Scripture interpret Scripture." It takes a lot of help to misunderstand the Bible...and we have had and accepted a lot of help, just not from the Holy Ghost who was sent to teach us of the Christ.

---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

And is not "many waters" translated as "multitudes of people"? Many people, one voice. How about that "whore of Babylon"? She is nothing more than the church in confusion. Understanding that God is a Spirit and His language is Spirit helps us to understand that what is clearly seen in the natural realm is nothing more than testimony to the invisible things of God. Just another layer peeled off the onion.
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

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The "stars" in the hand of Christ are the "seven angels (messengers) of the churches". The Word doesn't say, "Those angels of the churches are **like** stars; it says they ***are*** stars." When Jesus healed the blind man, He asked him what he saw and the man said, "I see men as **trees** walking." Is not the "river" in Revelation (and Genesis, for that matter) a flow of the message of God (the gospel) out of the heavens?
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

The Holy Spirit is likened to a "dove" that descended and rested on Jesus...and that was the same dove that Noah released out of the ark that did not come back to him but kept looking until he found a place to rest his foot. The only place he could rest was on the Son. The "tree" Peter speaks of in 1 Peter 2:24 is the cross but the "tree of life" in the book of Revelation is Jesus.
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

For sure....Jesus taught kingdom truths in parables where "seed" was "the Word of God" and the "ground" was the "heart of man". "Birds" were the tools of the enemy that stole the seed and "thorns" represented "the curse and the cares of this world". Only those who had ears to hear could hear what Jesus was saying.
---Linda6563 on 4/17/06

"Are you trying to say when the bible says one thing it actually means another?"

Do you not accept that not every thing is to be taken at face value? That some things stated can only be understood in the light of other passages? That we must use common sense to let scripture interpet scripture?

Consider this:
Jesus always meant what he said but he did not always say what he meant.
---Bruce5656 on 4/17/06

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Bruce5656, It got a response. What do you think it means? It says what it says. Are you trying to say when the bible says one thing it actually means another? Are you saying that when it doesn't say something then you make it say what you want it to say? There are about 25,000 members of churchs that handle snakes and they believe it means what it says as written. I'm not one of them.
---Thomas on 4/13/06

".....maybe by saying serpents it means sinners. Do you not have faith to lift up serpents?"

Although Luke defines "serpents" as the power of the enemy and people are not my enemies, I will give credit to your analogy. And yes, I have lifted up some "serpents" (sinners) by showing them a serpent on a pole. They were born again. New law (spiritual) after Jesus was raised from the dead.
---Linda6563 on 4/13/06

I believe all healing comes from God. I've seen Him heal miraculously. But when I was diagnosed with an aggressive type of cancer, I got the recommended medical treatment and I got lots of prayer.I wanted to live, so why eliminate anything that is known to help?If I were to be instantly healed, the docs could verify it. 2 yrs later, all cancer is gone. I don't care HOW God did it...but He did it and I'm grateful!
---Donna2277 on 4/13/06

Tina and Thomas,
Do you honestly believe that Mark 16:18 teaches that we should "handle serpents" and "drink poison?" Or are you just trying to provoke a response?
---Bruce5656 on 4/12/06

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-- "if God moved on you to speak, how could you hold your peace?" There is a false notion that the Holy Spirit overpowers people,that they lose control. No,We are always in control.".. The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets"(I Cor 14:32) Otherwise, why the RULES for use of "tongues"? When the Lord gives you an insight into His word, do you blurt it out without regard for others? The same is true (or should be) for one moving in the gifts of the Spirit.
---Donna2277 on 4/12/06

Linda, you probably believe in word faith, prosperty gospel or do you? I don't know why you don't handle snakes,don't you believe the gospel or maybe by saying serpents it means sinners. Do you not have faith to lift up serpents?
---Thomas on 4/12/06

Linda, There's a lot less pain having your children in hospital opposed to having them at home unless you go natural childbirth and that I doubt.
---Thomas on 4/12/06

Your right donna,we are sanctified and made Holy by the Blood, tongue talkers are not superior to those who don,t. The gifts are great I operate in most of them but its more important to see repentance and people getting saved,Oh precious revival my soul longs for a real one,where lives are changed.
---Exzucuh on 4/12/06

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Going to the hospital, again, had nothing to do with having to. Nevertheless, I still honor doctors and nurses who wage war against sickness.
---Linda on 4/12/06

" Linda, why did you go to the hospital and doctors to have your children, why didn't you stay at home to have them? "

Didn't have a thing to do with illness. And pregnancy isn't a sickness. It is just easier to go to a hospital. They take care of all of the "paperwork". I am not gifted in administration so I let them do it. I could have had any one of them at home had I chosen.
---Linda on 4/12/06

" Linda, why did you go to the hospital and doctors to have your children, why didn't you stay at home to have them? "

Didn't have a thing to do with illness. And pregnancy isn't a sickness. It is just easier to go to a hospital. They take care of all of the "paperwork". I am not gifted in administration so I let them do it. I could have had any one of them at home had I chosen. Going to the hospital, again, had nothing to do with having to.
---Linda on 4/12/06

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