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What Is An Orthodox Jew

I recently moved to New York and live close to the Orthodox Jewish neighborhood. I see a lot of practices that are really really weird to me (being a Christian). They have extra scriptures aside from the Old Testament, would you consider them as Cults? and Why?

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.wayne, A common false doctrine today is called, "leaven binding", distorting the scripture it professes that the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required. The Galatians practiced this sin, for after they were saved by the grace of Jesus Christ they were wrongly persuaded by the lost Jews to go back and serve the O.T. Laws again in order to become right with God.
---Eloy on 5/1/09


.wayne, part 8: "Now if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity the Law also change be made. For there is truly a disannulling of the Commandment going before, for the weakness and unprofitableness of it. For the Law perfected nothing, but a bringing in of a better hope by which we draw near to God. By so much security, Jesus indeed parent of a better Testament. Then said he, Here I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second." Heb.7:12,18,19,22, 10:9
---Eloy on 5/1/09


.wayne, part 7: "Christ is become of no effect to you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law, you all are fallen from grace. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. But if you all be led by the Spirit, you all are not under the Law, having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the Law of Commandments in decrees, for to make in himself of the two, one new man, making peace." Galatians 5:4,9,18, Ephesians 2:15.
---Eloy on 5/1/09


.wayne, part 6: "Nevertheless what says the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman will not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brothers, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Galatians 4:30,31, 5:1.
---Eloy on 4/30/09


eloy:You've been lied to ~ believe it. The more accurate sound for "Nazarene" is NATSARIM. Being a descendant of one of the tribes of Israel means your lineage is of the "natural branches", but to be counted among Israel of Yahuah, you have to be in the Covenant relationship. Unnatural branches may "engraft" into Israel, and become the same as those who are native-born. There is to be no distinction made between them -- there's only ONE body. You don't need any man or organization, you only need to enter into the Covenant with Yahushua! Believe, AND obey!If we aren't very careful, we'll find ourselves using phrases from the programming many of us have been subjected to in our former lives as Christians.
---wayne on 4/30/09




.wayne, part 5: "Tell me, you all that desire to be under the Law, do you all not hear the Law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two Covenants, the one from the mount Sinai, which genders to bondage, which is Agar. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4:21,22,24,26.
---Eloy on 4/30/09


Everyone who sins breaks the Torah, in fact SIN IS TORAHLESSNESS. (anti-nomia, lawlessness). Yahushua came to destroy the devils work in us, and Yahuchanon goes on at 3:9 saying: No one who is born of YHWH will continue to sin, because YHWHs seed remains in him, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of YHWH. This is how we know who the children of YHWH are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of YHWH, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
---wayne on 4/30/09


For your Maker is your Husband ~ YHWH Shaddai is His Name (Read all of Yesha Yahu 54, 55 & 56, and Ex. 31:13). There is NO COVENANT of any kind with any other people of Earth than YHWH's wife, Yisrael. Gentiles must ENGRAFT (Romans 11, Ephesians 2:10-13).
---wayne on 4/30/09


eloy-Nazarene Israel (NATSARIM YISRAEL) Followers of Yahushua of Natsarith. These are those He has chosen, and written His Torah on their hearts.READ Rev. 14, which describes the "first-fruits", and ask yourself:WHICH GROUP ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF? (IN THE EYES OF THE CREATOR)"obey the Commandments of Elohim AND hold to the Testimony of Yahushua".Group #1: There are those who are born in the Covenant (Torah) yet don't believe that Yahushua is the Mashiach, these are usually called "Jews" by modern terminology. As long as they observe the Covenant, they are "ISRAEL". They don't "hold to the Testimony of Yahushua", so they are not "first-fruits".
---wayne on 4/29/09


eloy: Israel is the "wife" or "bride" of Yahuah, and the 10 Declarations represent the Covenant between Yahuah and Israel, this makes the relationship a marriage between them. This Covenant is referred to as the "TORAH", a Hebrew word meaning instruction.Only Israel has any Covenant relationship with Yahuah, so in order to enter into one, the outsider or foreigner must obey the same Covenant, and join or "engraft" into Israel.The Mediator of the re-newed Covenant with Israel is Yahushua ha'Mashiach. He is not a founder of a "new religion" (way), but He has established a renewal of the Covenant.He did not alter the Covenant, instead He actively writes it on the hearts of His people, Israel.
---wayne on 4/29/09




.wayne, part 4: "But now, after that you all have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you all again to the weak and beggarly elements, to where you all desire again to be in bondage? You all observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, else I have bestowed upon you labor in vain." Galatians 4:9-11.
---Eloy on 4/29/09


.wayne, part 3: "I do not set aside the grace of God: for if through Law righteousness, then Christ died in vain. Therefore the Law was our tutor till Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. But when came the fulness his time, sent forward that God whom Son of him, coming of a woman, coming under law, in order that them under law he can redeem, so that the adoption of sons we may receive." Galatians 2:21, 3:24,25, 4:4,5.
---Eloy on 4/28/09


.wayne, You have picked a snippet of a verse and attached a false doctrine to it. In right context, lit.Gk: "Now Jesus preached, Think not that I came to undo the law or the Prophets: I came not tomundo the law, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one mandate or one point will not fail from the law, until all happen." Matthew 5:17,18. So we clearly see that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the Prophets AS PROPHESIED IN BOTH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. He was not re-establishing the old testament law, but came to establish The New Testament Law, as I have already told you, Read Matthew 5:38-48 of the same chapter, chapter 5 which you have misapplied for falsehood.
---Eloy on 4/28/09


Eloy, I feel so honored you will answer my falsehood, yeah right. If the law of Moshe is done away with then you have a problem,17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Matt 5:17-19
---wayne on 4/28/09


17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is goodexcept God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother."Mark 10:17-19

I can keep on going, Yeshua is mentioning the law of Moshe, You cant get around it.
---wayne on 4/28/09


.wayne, part 2: "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished. But their minds were blinded: for up to this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which is done away in Christ. But even up to this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it will turn to the Lord, the vail will be taken away." II Corinthians 3:13-16.
---Eloy on 4/28/09


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.wayne, I translate the Holy Scriptures from their original tongues. And I will make an exception and address your falsehood this one time:
part 1: The O.T. Levitical-Mosaic Law is B.C. (before Christ), and the N.T. Judaic-Messianic Law is A.D. (anno Domini: annual of the Lord), and these 2 laws are contrary to each other. "But if the ministry of death, written engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly see the face of Moses for the glory of his look, which was to be done away: How will not the ministry of the Spirit be rather glorious?" II Corinthians 3:7,8.
---Eloy on 4/27/09


Wayne, no problem. Have a good weekend.
---JohnnyB on 4/24/09


eloy: you had better read your scriptures again, the Apostles were still following the Law of Moshe even after the assension of Yeshua. They were still sacrificing animals in the Temple, keeping Shabbat, not eating unclean foods, all of it. eloy you are the epitome of falsehood, Yeshua confirmed the Law of Moshe, He didnt do away with it!
---wayne on 4/24/09


.wayne, you speak much falsehood. I suggest strongly that you read Matthew chapter 5:38-48 in order to see the complete difference between the abolished o.t. levitical law from moses, and the currently in force N.T Judaic Law from Jesus. For it is not possible to hate your enemy and kill them as commanded by the ministry of death in the o.t., and to also Love your enemy and forgive them as Commanded by the Ministry of Life in the N.T.
---Eloy on 4/24/09


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---JohnnyB
Well dear sir, you dont know me so you cannot say. I do not agree with Talmud or what it says about yeshua or Mary. But the talmud does not make orthodoxy a false religion. christianity claims to follow Yeshua, and yet breaks the very commandments Yeshua said to follow, so does this make christianity a false religion? Of course not, it makes christians who break Yeshua's word false not the faith.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Wayne, my guess is you know less than you think. Remember, the Talmud is not Scripture but books of commentary, much of it conflicting. Jews even today disagree over many parts of it and do not consider themselves bound by much of it. If there is inflammatory language about Jesus, you--and they--can choose to ignore it.
---JohnnyB on 4/23/09


---JohnnyB
I know the orthodox belief very well. The Talmud they use says some of the most horrible things regarding Yeshua and Mary. I do not agree with it at all. But to call it a false religion when it was the Faith Yeshua belonged to is so wrong.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Eloy,
I agree with the scripture you have given, but Paul always said the Law was Holy, Good, and perfect. All of the Apostles kept the law of Moshe even after the death of Yeshua. Yeshua stated that salvation is of the Jews.
6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
---wayne on 4/23/09


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If you want to learn about Orthodox Jewish beliefs and practices, go to websites they operate, and read what they have to offer. No one posting around here knows much about Judaism.
---JohnnyB on 4/23/09


.wayne, yes, very serious. The Christian worships and obeys Christ Jesus' Commandments, and judaism does not. "He came to his own, and his own received him not. But they did to him whatever things they pleased. And have violated, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain the King of glory. Therefore they are thrown into outer darkness, and the kingdom of God is taken from them, and given to a nation bringing forward the fruits of it. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, for you all are one in Christ Jesus. And if you all Christ's, then are you all Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." John 1:11+ Mat.17:12+ Acts 2:23+ Mat.8:12+ 21:43+ Gal.3:27-29.
---Eloy on 4/23/09


The Jewish religion is nonChristian, and therefore a false religion.
---Eloy on 4/21/09
What!!!!!!!! Are you serious???!!!! Yeshua was an Orthodox Jew, and as beleivers in Yeshua we are grafted into Yisrael!! So Yeshua was in a false religion, you have got to be kiding me!!! Yeshua didnt start christianity, He comfirmed Judaism, in fact salvation is of the Jews is what Yeshua said. Eloy you are a devil, I have seen nothing Godly from you in any post, you act in total opposition to Yeshua in every way. You treat people horribly on this forum, refuse to capitalise thier names even, and now this!!!!!! May God forgive you!
---wayne on 4/21/09


The extra "writings" are not Holy Scripture, but commentaries on the Holy Scripture, they call these the "Talmud": the first part of the Talmud is the Mishnah, the laws and ordinances of tradition that are not written in the Scriptures, called the Halakah, which are based on the oral interpretations of them. The second part is the Gemara, which is a commentary on the first part. The Talmud contains many Haggada, or narrative parables which expound on certain points of law. The Jewish religion is nonChristian, and therefore a false religion.
---Eloy on 4/21/09


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Michal - Hinduism is the oldest religion - far older than yours.
---Sean on 4/21/09


First, there is more than one Orthodox Jewish neighborhood. Second, Xtians seem weird to Jews. Third, they are not a cult. Remember Judaism is the OLDEST religion, older than yours. Fourth, check your history, the Romans killed J.
---Michal on 12/14/08


An Orthodox Jew is a member of the Jewish community for whom the Talmud is the most important religious document and who endeavors scrupulously to abide by its precepts.
---InimicusStultitiae on 10/6/07


Any Christian group that is thinking of an evangelistic program targeting Orthodox Jews or Jews in general should review a web site entitled Jews for Judaism. It is a web site dedicated to counter attempts Christian attempts to prostelize the Jewish community. And review their article Missionaries Impossible. If your evangelistic group is not well trained you are going to be in for a very rude awakening.
---notlaw99 on 3/16/07


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i think a temple needed to be rebuilt there needed to be an official place of worship and a place where God can dwell i believe that Jesus was Gods son but i dont really believe he died for sins if he was really intended as a sacrifice he should have just been brought to the priest at the temple and it bothered me the way he was handed over by the Jews to the brutal gentiles
---stacy_hauth on 7/25/06


Bruce, we have extra scriptures outside the OT, too. Ever hear of the New Testament. I'm sure that looks JUST as weird to them.

There are mainline Orthodox Jews, and their are Hasidic Jews. These look as weird to mainline Orthodox as they do to you.

You are thinking of the TALMUD, the written form of the teaching of the scribes and Pharisees--the very people Jesus called fools and blind guides, and who rejected Jesus.

What does that tell you?
---Jack on 5/9/06


Bruce, don't know if you got to see my previous post before yours or not. Again, I can't see how anyone can use the word 'cult' except of a group that claims to be the same kind as some original group, but lies, changes, perverts, adds/takes away from or whatever the teachings of the other group. E.g., Mormons calling themselves a church of Jesus Christ and Christian when much of what they teach contradicts Scripture! Can't see how Jews could be that; they certianly don't claim to be Christians!
---Daniel on 4/8/06


I agree with you. It is a safe place. Very peaceful. About the Orthodox, what is funny is that in one of the blogs about the Mormons, some Christians say that if they add or omit something from the Bible, or have different doctrines than the Bible, then they are not Christians and therefore, they are cults. I am a Christian, but this just proves to me that we have our own translations of what we read from the scriptures.
---Bruce on 4/7/06


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Bruce, First, what does 'cult' mean? To a true follower of Christ, we're thinking "Christian cult" when using it; applies to those teaching doctrines so wrong about God and Jesus, you can't be saved believing them! Since 'Orthodox Jews' don't believe Jesus is Messiah, can't be a 'cult' in my mind. They themselves might call Kabbalists a 'Jewish cult' though. There are also 'Liberal' and 'Reformed' Jews. GOOGLE "Jews for Jesus" and seek more explanations there.
---Daniel on 4/7/06


Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. there are no more jews according to the flesh you have to be born again to become a true jew of the tribe of Judah.
---exzucuh on 4/7/06


Orthodox Jews believe in the first five books of the Old Testament. They do not accept that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. They believe in the Mosaic law including animal sacrifice, however the last 2000 years they have not had a temple to sacrifice in. They are the ones that when writing spell God like this G-D. They're not a cult BUT incomplete Jews.
---mima on 4/7/06


I don't know what they believe, but I do know if you live in their neighborhood, you are in a pretty safe place.
---shira on 4/7/06


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