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Catholic Knew More Than Me

Strange happening: Catholic e-mails me to discuss Catholics and salvation. Says I have much knowledge.( flattery ) While answering his question, Holy Spirit said this man knows more than you about what the Catholic Church believes. Later this man confirmed what Spirit told me.

Moderator - Did he want to accept Jesus Christ as his savior?

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Maybe they don't know that as a Christian who is Catholic..there is no other type of Catholic by the way.
Growing up Catholic, we have Bible Study on Sunday school. We have Bible class / religion in High school every year. We study with the Bible for 1st communion, confessions,Confirmation etc...
Of course we know alot about God. Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
---Lisa on 7/3/07


Mima,
Why does it suprise you that a Catholic might know more about the Catholic church than you?
---Bruce5656 on 7/2/07


So, you'll believe someone who says "Bible Alone" in the 1500's, but you won't believe the teaching of the Apostles from Jesus' time who say that Tradition is also important. How does that make sense?
---Philomena on 5/15/06


IN other words, Moderator, you cannot give direct answers to the questions I asked.

Moderator - Jack, we spent hundreds of hours putting the material together which answers your question directly from scripture. If you don't believe the Bible, then no we don't have a common ground for discussion.
---Jack on 5/14/06


Catholic doctrines are neither borrowed from the mystery religions nor introduced from pagans after the conversion of Constantine.

Moderator - Take the False Traditions and Paganism Bible Quizzes to learn the truth.
---Philomena on 5/14/06




(Moderator - Catholic customs are different all over this planet due to a mix of Christianity and their local brands of paganism. Rome is no different.) Well of course, customs in Africa, Mexico are different then in the US, but the Mass are the same. Everything that the Church teaches everyone around the world believes.

Moderator - Yes, the Mass is the same, but that is only a piece of Christianity for the Catholic Church.
---ruben on 5/14/06


Moderator, can you please give book, chapter, and verse where we find the formula "Accept Jesus Christ as savior"?

Moderator - Take the Salvation Bible Quiz for salvation scriptures from the Bible.
---Jack on 5/14/06


Tell you what, Moderator, I'll give you a chance to elaborate. Please give SPECIFIC examples where official Roman Catholic doctrine is Christianity mixed with paganism.
Make sure that in your answer you do NOT confuse folkways, cultural practices--or practices that persist DESPITE the official teaching of the Church (rather than because of it).

Moderator - Start by taking the apostate, paganism, false teachers and false tradition Bible Quizzes. These are loaded with various false information taught by the Catholic Church as well as other apostate churches today.
---Jack on 5/14/06


Moderator--you simply don't know what you're talking about here.

Moderator - Have you traveled the world and studied in detail the mix of Christianity and paganism in the Roman Catholic Church? Trust the Bible and talk directly to the Catholics of the countries around the world; don't trust those books you are reading - it's obvious propaganda.
---Jack on 5/14/06


MikeM

"Historical" statements like that hysterical.

You should know that Dan Brown writes FICTION, not history. Hee Hee

Seriously, get a good book on church history. I overloaded in church history in seminary because I like apologetics, and found it miraculous how God worked to preserve the Bride of Christ.
---John_T on 5/13/06




I have a degree in Church history, and what you are saying linking paganism with the Roman Catholic church simply is not true. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" does not go on to say, "unless thy neighbor is Catholic, or gay, or anyone else thou likest not."

Moderator - It's a mix of Christianity and paganism. I have traveled the world literally I know it for a fact. Have you attended various Catholic Churches across the world? Catholic customs are different all over this planet due to a mix of Christianity and their local brands of paganism. Rome is no different.
---Jack on 5/13/06


Does anyone know history? The Roman church is a blend of paganism, be it religious paganism, Baccus, mithra, etc- or secular paganism; as in hellenistic philosophy. This is basic first year college history. (This is not to say millions of Catholics are not good Christlike people, I believe Mother Theresa and millions of others like her are in heaven.)
---MikeM on 5/13/06


Actually, nowhere does the Bible set itself up as the final authority. Can you give book, chapter, and verse where it does?

Have you ever thought of just HOW it was decided what would be in the Bible to start with, and WHO was the authority (at least on earth) that decided it? (To say God in this context is to give a non-answer)
---Jack on 5/13/06


ff ... I understand what A Catholic means when he talks about "born again" becoming the "logo" of those trying to deferentiate themselves. Paul and Jesus did not use the phrase at an adjective, but as the description of what happens to someone.
If one is a true Christian, one has been born again ... so to use the word is tautology.
But some who use the words seem to do so to show themselves as some superior kind of Christian.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/13/06


jack, not just a strange attitude but rather weird and suspicious. The Mod has a broken record repeating that the RCC is a mixture of Christianity and paganism. Not sure what books he reads but looks like he buys some cheap paper backs written by someone who's like Dan Brown.

Moderator - I read the Bible which is the final authority. Why knock the Bible?
---A_Catholic on 5/13/06


Nicodemus was not a believer that's why Christ told him about the "born again". Believers are born again and this phrase is used completely out of place by many.
---A_Catholic on 5/13/06


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Well, I'm a Catholic, (NOT a pagan - I'm a REAL Christian) been Baptized in the Holy Spirit (what you call being "born again"), have a personal relationship with Jesus, believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and believe that the Apostles really did hand on the Word and the Traditions of the Church through the Catholic Church. And, yes, we believe we can lose our salvation if we don't repent of our sin. BTW, Who broke away from whom anyway?
---Philomena on 5/13/06


Jack, read Edward Gibbons, "Decline and fall or the Roman empire." Most Cathlic doctrines and rituals can be directly traced to specific pagasn beliefs. The so-called-mystery cults of Roman, Mithras, Baccus, on and on, are directly linked the the RCC. Some of the prayers to Mary were to Hera, or Athena. The compromise was sponsered by Constantine in 325AD. This is all basic history 101.
---MikeM on 5/13/06


A Catholic, you say " 'Born again' became the logo of those who want to be different and to distinguish themselves from Catholics." So what do you think that Jesus meant in John 3:3-7? Where were these Catholics that He wanted Nicodemus to be distinguished from? Please read the whole chapter, it might help to untangle some of your crossed wires. I pray you will find it helpful.
---f.f on 5/13/06


Moderator, the Roman Catholic Church is NOT a mixture of paganism and Christianity. (BTW, I"m not not RC) Those who say so know nothing about church history. (Or pagan history, for that matter.)

Moderator - I have read both of his books. He gets things wrong in both books. He goes overboard in both directions in each book to the point of misinformation. Yes, the Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Christianity and paganism. Just travel the world and go to a Catholic Church and one will see a mixture of their local brand of paganism mixed into their local church. This is a fact; been there and done that.
---Jack on 5/13/06


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There seems to be a strange attitude in many of these blogs and threads that Roman Catholics are not "real" Christians.
Why is that?

Moderator - The Roman Catholic Church is a mix of Christianity and paganism. Is that Christianity?
---Jack on 5/12/06


Ruben, let me assure you that "born again" has been and is still misinterpreted by the huge majority of Christians. "Born again" became the logo of those who want to be different and to distinguish themselves from Catholics.
---A_Catholic on 4/13/06


I agree with you Cristina when you say that he did'nt know about what Catholic churches teach... I am a good Catholic and I want to continue to be like Jesus asked me...
---Patricia on 4/12/06


Ruben, I don't claim to know all that the catholic church teaches, but I did not learn about being born again from the RCC, that salvation is a gift of grace from God. I learned that it is by works we are saved...until I left the RCC and was witnessed to by born again christians and the Lord opened my eyes. Noone ever mentioned accepting Christ in the RCC, following His example yes, but not a personal relationship. Just my personal experience
---christina on 4/12/06


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Are you sure it was the Holy Spirit that told you that that guy knew more than you?

I feel we abuse the HS a bit too much or perhaps pretend we are too "holy".
---A_Catholic on 4/12/06


christina-( I was raised catholic, went to cath schools,( knew much,) but never knew about being (born again )until I was 24. I thought (I'd be saved by being a good catholic.(works))You really did not know what the catholic Church teaches!
---ruben on 4/11/06


Mima, I suspect that guy does not want you to push him like you seem you're doing.
---A_Catholic on 4/11/06


Raine, of course many Catholics are saved, however, being a knowledgable catholic does not mean one knows where they stand. I was raised catholic, went to cath schools, knew much, but never knew about being born again until I was 24. I thought I'd be saved by being a good catholic.(works)Praise God He opened my eyes
---christina on 4/11/06


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Why did you do that,Mima? Are you one of those who believed that Catholics won't be saved? Of course, being a Catholic he knows more than you do about catholic beliefs. No need of a Spirit to tell you that! He is a Catholic believer, thus, for all intent and purposes, he knows where he stand!
---Raine on 4/11/06


I have just received another e-mail from this man or boy requesting me not to send him anymore e-mails as he does not want me to witness to him. He sent me seven e-mails I sent him two. But still I have sorrow for his lost condition and I'm praying that the Lord sent ministering spirits to his spirit, that he might come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. What a strange incident.
---mima on 4/10/06


In my first answer to his e-mail I told him plainly that I was interested in his salvation first and foremost. I asked him was he absolutely positively certain sure he was going to heaven when he died. His answer was not convincing to me and while typing the second message to him the spirit spoke to me.
---mima on 4/10/06


I don't understand the what your question is. However, Catholics know alot. Satan knows the word. Judas knew Jesus. What's the point? Knowledge doesn't bring salvation. Is that what you were wondering?
---Donna9759 on 4/10/06


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Mima I'm not sure that I understand the point of what you say. I imagine that a Catholic WOULD, and should, know more than a non-Catholic regarding the beliefs of the Catholic Church. However, that is not the important issue. It is what he/she understands about Jesus, salvation and sin that matter and whether he/she understands that some of the teachings of the R.C. church are not scriptural. Maybe I have misunderstood you here.
---M.P. on 4/10/06


Mima ... it does not surprise me at aall that he knew more about the RCC than you ... after all he is a member. Does not surprise me either that he thinks you know more than him about God, esp if he is as Mod suggests wanting to be properly saved
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/10/06


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