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Women Not In God's Image

My friend said that women aren't created in God's image. I told him theres "neither male nor female in Christ," but he said it's because we're taken from Adam's rib. He is a long time bible reading Christian. Is there any other scripture to back his claim?

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Men were created in the Image of GOD the Father YAHUVEH. Women were created in the Image of the Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH, Who is Feminine. That's where the female form came from. The Holy Spirit is "Wisdom" in Proverbs. She is the "Paraclete" the One Who "comes along side", the Helper. Like woman is man's helper, who "stands beside him, and was CREATED from his side. Fresh Revelation via a modern Holy Prophet.
---Gordon on 2/8/08


We each have a soul, can you see it? Can you see God? yet we know He is there too.
---Emcee on 2/8/08


Since God is a spirit not a physical entity, the attributes of God applied to mankind are not physical either. They can be equally applied to men and women and are not gender specific.

So to say that women are not created in God's image is a totally ludicrous statement.
---notlaw99 on 2/7/08


Man is created in God's image.
Does it matter what shape the person is: fat, thin, tall, short, or what his/her intellect is: clever at accountancy and banking, or nursing, or caring, or gardening, or navigating, or ... or ...
What is in a shape, interests and skill, ethnicity, or appendages?
We are ALL made in the image of God
---alan_of_UK on 2/6/08


I do not care if he has been studying for 150 years. The man does not understand what the image of God is. Can woman hold something in her hands? Does woman have a spirit? Cam woman walk? Can woman talk? God talks too. Can woman see? Everything about man, our faculties, is made in the image of God. For example: God can walk, God has arms. God can see. God has hands. God can hate and God can love [Holy]. He can also hug. God is also a Spirit. God is also a Person.
---catherine on 2/6/08




Pretty is as pretty does. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Beautiful women have beguiled many down through the ages, but their insides were quite ugly.
---Lynda on 2/6/08


God created man and then wanted to improve, so He created women :))

Obviously, women are much more beautiful than men are.
---Caring on 2/6/08


Genesis one says God made man & woman in His own image. That makes them different but equal, and no result of evolution.

As far as I know whether a word is gramatically masculin or feminin does not confer male of female characteristics.
---Warwick on 2/6/08


Rich. pneuma [Sprit] in Greek is a neuter noun.The Holy Spirit is called a He in the NT, not a she! The Holy Spirit is never once called Jesus' Mother. Never onces do we read Jesus called the Holy Spirit His Mother. Never once are we told Rev 12 means the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel writers called Mary His Mother, and she alone bore God the Son in her womb.
---Ramon on 2/5/08


The woman of Revelation 12 is the Holy Spirit. To be in the family of God you MUST be born of the Holy Spirit. The word "Spirit" in Hebrew is a female noun. Genesis states that male and female were created in OUR (Most High AND the Holy Spirit) image. The trinity is God the Father (Most High) God the Mother (Holy Spirit) and the Son (Jesus Christ)
---Dr._Rich on 2/4/08




Guys::The ladies are right "Things equal to the same thing are equal to one another as in Equilateral Triangle Representative of the God head.Functiom may be different,but in truth their purpose was defined by God same as we were .its not an arguement its a TRUTH.But if you desire to make it a fun arguement go for it :-)Im sure the ladies are willing & capable.
---Emcee on 2/4/08


And people wonder why we have so many different religions. Left to his own, man can create anything.
---dan on 2/4/08


Your friend is mistaken.Don't argue with him just pray for him.Perhaps if he can't see scripture clearly he isn't even born again.When we have God's Holy Spirit in our lives after our born again experience we should be able to see clearly.I remember after I was born again it was like the Bible was a brand new book to me.I am not his judge though.Just pray for him.
---shirley on 2/4/08


Adam,the entire being, is made in the image of God so anything/anyone taken from Adam,Eve also became the image of God. You can't take a part from the whole and change what God made that part in the whole to be,therefore all parts of Adam were the image. Adam was made from dirt but Eve was made from a solid part from God,Adams rib.
---Darlene_1 on 2/4/08


Adam was created in the image of God and glory of God while Eve is the glory of Adam see 1 Corinthians 11:7. Hard to believe in our age but the biblical truth.
---Phil on 2/4/08


LYNNA: I WOULD NOT ARGUE WITH THIS FRIEND. You say he is a longtime bible reading Christian? Seems like all his reading has been in vain, and a waste of time, because he doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about. Perhaps he can get with someone who is more mature and can explain the deeper aspects of the bible. Or try asking Jesus for spiritual understanding and knowledge. He is only guessing, at best. There is no scripture to back up this erroneous statement.
---Robyn on 8/6/07


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Being made in God's image, is not about physical dimensions or characteristics. It is about the fact that we have a spirit and are able to choose right or wrong. We are all made in God's image.
---Bruce5656 on 8/6/07


Thanks Doc...I feel more Human now...

~rachel~
---Reiter on 11/14/06


Adam was made in God's direct image. Eve was taken out of Adam. That means that Adam at one time had androgenous personality traits. Follow the logic. Women are made in the image of God.

Besides, God looked at Adam and said "He needs help!" (help-meet. HA!)
---Doc on 6/27/06


Leon, I agree. The bible states that God knew us BEFORE we were in our mother's womb.
---M.P. on 4/24/06


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image in hebrew- tselem tseh'-lem
from an unused root meaning to shade; a
phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion,
resemblance; hence, a representative figure,
man in hebrew- 'adam aw-dawm' ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)especially an idol:--image, vain shew.
The species was male and female
---exzuc6636 on 4/23/06


Elder ... I agree with what you have already said to Leon. I don't propose to add anything and leave you to continue if you think it is appropriate
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/23/06


Ulrika-- IMHO means "in my humble opinion" Sometimes you see just IMO. Helps when word count is limited.
---Donna2277 on 4/22/06


Elder: All I know is what scripture says, no more or less. Yes indeed, "God has foreknowledge," of our pre-existence as the Jeremiah verses say -- even before we were formed in our mother's belly He knew each one of us . That says to me even before conception. What say you?
---Leon on 4/22/06


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CONT'D.. Later yet, God took part of Adam's body for Eve. I did NOT mean the creation of Adam as spirit included all of mankind. We have, as God's children been part of Him forever or we could not go back to Him in the future. But no again, I said nothing of a "sperm and egg" in spirit form but then again why not? What do you think of the body waiting for us in heaven? I'm not Mormon, simply a Christian trying to read my Bible and share just as you all do of your understandings. Blessings.
---mikefl on 4/22/06


Brothers, thanks for your kind remarks. My Bible has verses showing God is a spirit. He is male & female in his make-up or Gen 2:24 couldn't apply to Adam & Eve. Holding that thought, read Gen1:27: "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male & female created He them." This was ADAM, not all mankind. IF this was not so, then erase the "female" & "them" from ch.1v27. Later (ch.2v7) when God formed a physical body for Adam. Cont'd..
---mikefl on 4/22/06


I know both men and women have some characteristics like God. What does IMHO mean?
---Ulrika on 4/22/06


Leon your verse reference proves that life begins before birth and God has foreknowledge of a person before they are born.
Do you believe/think there are people walking around somewhere waiting to be born? The eggs and sperm are alive, they become persons at conception. Not before.
---Elder on 4/22/06


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"There is nothing in scripture...to suggest...we existed before we were born." (Alan...4/22)

JEREMIAH 1:4-5

---Leon on 4/22/06


..bruce, Jesus was and is and always will be eternal. He always had the mind of God even at his infancy, remember how he dumbfounded the learned priests and scholars in the temple when he was a mere boy? He was the complete embodiment of the whole of the Holy Scriptures, and the whole fullness of God dwelled within him bodily. There are not 3 Gods, but only 1. The Father was in Jesus, he was the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
---Eloy on 4/22/06


Mikefl Like Elder, I see nothing in scripture to suggest that Adam existed in any form before he was created by God. That applies whether you accept Genesis as literally accurate, or in evolution (which I do not find coflicts fatally with the Bible) or in something in between, which is more likely, as God will not yield up the secrets of how He made us until we meet Him face to face.
There is nothing in scripture, even the "elect" passages to suggest that we existed before we were born.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/22/06


Ulrika--females have characteristics of God too. Women tend to be naturally merciful, more protective of the young and helpless. Women are often better communicators than men, more gracious and insightful into human behavior. Men are usually stronger, more objective leaders and, as such, are better suited to guide the wife and family. IMHO that doesn't make them more "God-like" than women. They are God-like in different ways.
---Donna2277 on 4/21/06


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Men and women are in God's image in these ways: we reason, we love, we have a selfconcious, we have a conscience, we have a soul and spirit. God is male and not female. Men think differantly than women. Generally men tend to not be as emotional women, men are usually physically stronger, men are usually the leaders, and protectors. In these areas men are more like God. Maybe that is why they are to be the pastor and the head of the wife. Woman makes the man complete.
---Ulrika on 4/21/06


Eloy/Moderator.
I wonder if the reason the first letters of Bruce's name are left off is because he types them as "br" and not "Br"?
I notice that the command for a new paragraph is "br" and maybe this is how the system is interpreting what Eloy writes? Eloy ... I notice yuo usually start with lower case, so this may be a reason?
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/21/06


Elder: Thanks for your concern. Likewise, I share the concern, i.e., under no circumstances do I ever want to mislead anyone. If what I say doesn't seem to square with Scripture, jerk my chain. :-)
---Leon on 4/21/06


Eloy, forgive me if I've already asked you this, but what does Jesus look like?
---sue on 4/21/06


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Eloy,
Jesus is the embodiment of the Godhead:
Colossians 2:9, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
But this embodiment took place 2000 years ago. God has chosen to reveal Him self to us through His Son. In him we see the character of God but not his essence. If Jesus is all there is to God (that would require denying the trinity) then where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth. Who was running the universe while Jesus was an infant?
---Bruce5656 on 4/21/06


Here we go again.
Mikefl that sounds like Mormonism is it? Are there "spirit" children out there on another planet waiting to be born of some polymarriage?
Now for some truth.
God said in Gen 1:24 Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind....ect. According to your theory there are no animals because there were no living creatures to be after their kind.
Cond #2
---Elder on 4/21/06


Cond #2
God created vegetation, animals and man.
Vegetation has a body but no spirit or soul.
Animals have a body and soul but no spirit.
Man has a body, soul and spirit.
He is a trinity as God is, created in Gods image.
Verse 27 tells us the truth and the word man means mankind.
---Elder on 4/21/06


bruce, you are disbelieving not only what I say, but what Jesus says. Jesus is God, and he has physically appeared to me and also to others. Jesus said, "Blessed the pure in heart: for they will see God. He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me will be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will show myself to him." Matthew 5:8; John 14:21. Please read John 14:23.
---Eloy on 4/21/06


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bruce, I spell your name correctly, but when my post is posted, the first couple letters are left off, this is done by Christianet and not myself. As I've stated before, you will believe whatever you desire. "And they heard the voice of YHWH God as he walked in the garden in the wind of the day, and Adam hid himself and his wife also from the face of YHWH God, among the trees of the garden." Genesis 3:8. Can a Spirit walk and have a face? Please read Luke 24:31,39,40; John 20:26-28.
---Eloy on 4/21/06


Please re-read the scripture! God made man in His image...male and female... That was a Spirit form just as God is. Us is not a triune being. It is God with His attributes. Adam was male and female, equal while in spirit form. Then God made a body for Adam(see the scripture). Then He took part of Adam's "clay" to form a body for Eve, the female part of Adam. It is right there in scripture. Equal as one, then equal but separate as male & female.
---mikefl on 4/20/06


Thanks Leon. I wanted to make sure that I hadn't misled you.
---Elder on 4/20/06


PART ONE:
Eloy, is there a particular reason that you misspell my name all the time?

Your credentials aside, your theology is faulty.

"God also has a body, he always has"

You have inauspicious company with your statement that God the Father has a body. This is a view shared with other anthropomorphites such as the Mormons and some of the WOF preachers.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


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PART TWO:
Jesus himself contradicts that view for he said, "God is a Spirit (John 4:24) And in "Luke 24:39, he taught that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

Isaiah contrasts the flesh and blood of the Egyptians with God who is spirit. Isaiah 31:3, "Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


PART THREE:
Paul condemned the Gentiles who had "changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an mage made like to corruptible man" Romans 1:23

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" 1 Timothy 1:17, Hebrews 11:27
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


PART FOUR:
1 Timothy 6:16, "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see Note, this was after Jesus had been on earth and yet we are still told that no man can see God.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


PART FIVE:
In OT times, God has shown Himself to man in the form of thoephonies or condescensions. Just a token of His being that man might somehow relate to Him. It is this manifestation of God that people like Jacob had seen.

"Jesus always had a body too"

If Jesus always had a body then what/who was born of Mary? What happened to his pre-incarnate body that he "always had?"
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


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PART SIX:
The theophonies of the OT were just tokens of his being that man might somehow relate to him. Flesh and blood incarnations of God, no different than the body Mary bore - with one critical exception - they were not born of a human and could not be the sacrifice. There is no theological line of thought that would prevent God from creating a body to appear to interact with anyone in the OT.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


bruce, I am not a commentator, but I am a spirit-filled preacher, prophet, and teacher of the Lord. God also has a body, he always has, and Jesus always had a body too. And Jesus' body sits at the righthand of his body. Jacob wrestled with a man who was also God in Genesis 32:24-32. In verse 30 he says, "I have seen God face to face. And Moses asked to see the Lord's glory, and the Lord showed him the back of his body in Exodus 33:18-23.
---Eloy on 4/20/06


Elder: I wasn't trying to quote you...just agreeing with what I thought you meant.

I'm re-reading, meditating on & seeking a deeper (perhaps more accurate) understanding of what Gen. 1:26-28; 2:7; 2:18-25; 3:20 & 5: 1-2 is saying.

I think I see (G1:26-28) where there's a fast-forwarding, beyond G2:18-25, where God is talking to " them " (Adam & Eve) about being fruitful ... No doubt, G5:1-2 clearly says, "God...called their name Adam...."
---Leon on 4/20/06


PART ONE:
Eloy,
I agree that the form of Man that Jesus took will always be just that. He sits as the "Son of Man" in heaven. That is his incarnate form. He chose to adopt it so he might redeem his creation, man. That does not speak to His pre-incarnate form.

Of all the commentators I have read on this subject, non offer the idea that man is a reflelction of God's physical image for in fact God is a spirit and (untill the incarnation) does not have a physical form.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


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PART TWO:
I like the concise summary offered by David Guzik

i. It means one possesses personality: knowledge, feelings, and a will. This sets man apart from all animals and plants.

ii. It means one possesses morality: we are able to make moral judgments and have a conscience.

iii. It means one possesses spirituality: man is made for communion with God. It is on the level of spirit we communicate with God.
---Bruce5656 on 4/20/06


alan, part 1: "This the book, this the generation of man, in the day when God created man and made him after the similitude of God. Male and female made he them and called their name man, in the day when they were created."
---Eloy on 4/20/06


pt 2: As I previously stated, "Man" in the Bible does not exclusively mean only the male, but sometimes means "Human" or "Mankind" to also include the female (ie: woman) and the children (ie: manchild and womanchild). The 1st verse speaks of Adam..."and made HIM"...And verse 2 speaks of Adam AND his wife..."called THEIR name man (ie: human or mankind).
---Eloy on 4/20/06


bruce, believe whatever you choose. But the fact is the wholeness and completeness of the man Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be God. You fabricate that I've said things that I simply have not. I have stated that Jesus is a Jew, and I have stated that I have seen him more than once, and that he himself visited me in person, and I have published a very precise description of him. But as I said before, you will believe whatever you choose to believe.
---Eloy on 4/20/06


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Leon, your understanding of what I said about God calling the first TWO people Adam is not what I said.
God did not just create one person both male and female and then split them apart.
God called them both Adam. The male called his wife Eve for she was the mother of all living.
They were two people, both equal in their creation by God yet different in their function. One was no more important than the other.
Don't misunderstand what I said.
---Elder on 4/19/06


PART ONE:
Eloy,

The fact that God appeared as a man in the OT and that he was "made in the likeness of men:" (Phil. 2:7) in the NT does not mean that that in any way represents Gods form.

Note it says he was made in the likness of man. In other words, that is not his normal, pre-incarnate, state.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06


PART TWO:
You claim to have (literaly) heard God speaking to you. May I assume that was in english? Do we then conclude that God not only has a body like ours but that He is english as well?

Your logic, that God has the form of a man in His natural state becase he came to earth as a man, dictates that we conclude he is an Englishman because that is how he appeared to you.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06


Ok, so Adam was originally male and female? But mostly male with a female rib? I see where Adam named her "woman" but dont see where he used "womb-man" as the reason".
Adam = ~da(Hebrew)
Definition
1 man, mankind
2 man, human being
3 man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
4 Adam, first man
5 city in Jordan valley

so it is saying in Gen 5, called their name Adam, Man, Mankind, or Human. Taky your pick.
---chris on 4/19/06


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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. The flesh profiteth nothing it is the spirit that gives life
---Exzucuh on 4/19/06


Adam alone did not bear the full image of God. What we have is a revelation to the nature and character of God himself. Men are strong and God is powerful. Men want to be respected and God wants our worship. Men like competion and God is a jealous God. But that's not enough. Women are feminine and God is gentle. Women are relational and God wants a relationship with us. Women love to communicate and God wants to speak to us and hear our prayers. Women want intimacy and God knows the depths of our heart.
---Fred_S. on 4/19/06


Eloy ... How about Gen 5. 1&2 then?
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/19/06


Lynna: Your friend's claim is wrong. As explained below, by Elder & Ann5758, when God created "Adam", He made "them" male & female resident in one body . The male/ female Adam was created in God's image. Afterwards God separated the male Adam from the female Adam, i.e., aka MAN, (G2:21-22) when he created woman (womb-man) .

A woman is biblically & should obviously be 100% FEMALE (feminine-male)...MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE.
---Leon on 4/19/06


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bruce, The man Jesus is God in the flesh. That is not idolatry, but truth. The Word was God. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." John 1:14. "Pilously" means hairiness. Men have facial and body hair, as Jesus God in the flesh does, whereas women do not.
---Eloy on 4/19/06


To insist that God is in the "form", as in shape and structure of man, seems to be a type of revisionist idoltary. Making God in man's image.

The Bible is clear that God is a spirit (John 4:24) while man is flesh and blood. Therefore, "in His image" must mean something different than "looks like God," "anatomically and physically."

What is pilously? I cannot find a def. for that word.
---Bruce5656 on 4/19/06


Whose image are men made in that women give birth to they are made from the seed of man and the egg of the woman not dust.
---Exzucuh on 4/19/06


alan, God made man in his image, not woman. God is He, King, Lord; and not the weaker vessel as a she, queen, or lordess. "Man" in scripture usually refers literally to "man", but sometimes it refers to the whole human race, meaning, "human" or "mankind". Precisely you could say God created Man from the dust of the earth which looks like himself, and he created Woman from man's rib which does not look like himself (ie: anatomically, nor physically, nor pilously).
---Eloy on 4/19/06


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Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Man is a species of male and female some scriptures refer to man but it means male and female. The word human being is not in the bible it is a man made reference. A woman is a female man
---Exzucuh on 4/18/06


# 4 Quick cut to Gen 5.1 & 2, and there it is quite clear that God made both man and woman in His image and called them man.
Previous comments therefore invalid. Sorry everybody!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/18/06


Your friend is technically right. God made man, Adam, in his image first. Then afterward he made woman, his helpermate from the man's rib for a companion. Then after that, the man and woman joined together into one flesh and produced children, which grow up and turn into either more men or more women. But regardless whether one is a man, or a woman, or a child, we each are made in God's image. Actually, ownly the redeemed are truly made in God's image, and the unredeemed are made after the devil's image.
---Eloy on 4/18/06


# 3 Thus it could be argued that God made "him" (i.e. the male) in His own image. And the semi-colon separates the female from creation in God's image.
I don't believe a word of that, but I am sure somewhere there are male supremacists who would rely on it.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/18/06


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# 2 I had always accepted that God made both men and women in His own image, but looking closely at the use of the word "him" and then the punctuation ; immediately after, this separates the last phrase from the earlier part.
cont ...
... .
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/18/06


Ann5758 correct. Not too many people realize that God called them Adam.
God created them equal but different.
---Elder on 4/18/06


Well, Elder, God created male & female, and THEIR name was Adam. Seems to me like, when it comes to the creation of humankind, there was no difference in the spiritual aspect of their being.
---Ann5758 on 4/17/06


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