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Is The Trinity A Person

In all of the explainations of the trinity, the word persons comes up many many times. Why is the word persons used instead of the correct word people. The preamble does not say. " We, the persons of the United States".

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The three that bear witness in heaven in heaven means that there are three declarations that Jesus is the Son of God and that God bears record of him. THe Father spoke from heaven and declared him his Son for the benefit of those that heard him but many said it thundered. The word was The Logos written word was made flesh it came down from heaven and this word the incorruptable seed became Gods Son. The Spirit bears record because Jesus promised to send God's Spirit and it would bear record of him in our hearts and remind us of his word. It did so on the day of pentecost.
---exzucuh on 11/5/09

The trinity is a nomos traditional man made doctrine that is an idol in the minds of those that follow it, they see God in the disciption of this ideology. It is the image of Jealousy that stands in the entry It is the image or the imagination of the beast the carnal idea of God, it comes out of the mouth of the dragon the false prophet and the beast. The doctrine of the unholy trinity is designed to manipulate the minds of believers to blaspheme in perfect unison and cause predjudice and persicution of those that will not follow it.
---exzucuh on 11/5/09

THe truth is that there is only one God and Father and he is a Spirit and he sent his Son Jesus Christ who is his only begotten Son, that was with him from the foundation of the world the first born of every creature, and through his Son Jesus Christ God saved the world. Because of the obedience of the Son, God gave him all power in heaven and earth and made him head over the church,He sits at God's right hand and is a mediator between God and man. All that believe and obey the Son are saved because of their faith to be obedient to God by accepting Jesus as his Son. Only those that believe on the Son will be Saved.
---exzucuh on 11/5/09

Rhonda, I John 5: 7 says: "For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (YAHUSHUA/JESUS), and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are ONE." Some say that this Verse was not in the original Manuscripts. Regardless, if you read the entire Scriptures, you will know that these Three Persons work in perfect Unison, in concert with each other. The Father sends us His Spirit, in the name of the Son, and the Blessed Spirit comes and dwells in us to change us into the like of the Son. They all work together and, again, are ONE.
---Gordon on 11/4/09

---Warwick on 11/3/09 ( you seem to be jabbering nonsense) Faith pleases God but faith in false doctrine will send you to hell. Salvation is a place and faith can get you there and faith will keep you there,
but faith alone is not salvation, As James said it is Dead without the works of the Spirit being manifest in a person. The ressurection power must be in operation as Jesus said you shall recieve power after the Holy Spirit is come upon you. If you are a good tree you will produce Holy Spirit fruit but a bad tree produces the fruit of the world.
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

Exzucuh,you endeavour to see Him in bodily super-human form.

I did not say there are 3 Gods but 3 in one. Your error is imagining I propose 3 bits of Spirit. Spirit is not corporal, therefore cannot be divided. How can we temporary dwellers of space, matter and time, comprehend God who is eternal Spirit, outside of this, outside of our understanding? Is God is limited to being in one place at a time?

Understanding the Trinity is akin to understanding God speaks: matter appears, a rotten corpse returns to life, food appears, our sins washed away. What is the chemical formula? How does He do this? We have no idea, but (Hebrews 11) we believe all by faith. Only by faith, in what we do not understand, do we receive our reward.
---Warwick on 11/3/09

Warwick on 11/2/09 (one spirit in three persons?) What? So yo want to make your own Godhead theory. Do you realize if you add to scripture,and you are because that is not any where to be found, that you will be accursed. God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit and he is only one but has the ability to be in all creation not just three Gods like you are saying. Jesus said with his own mouth God is a Spirit and seeks those to worship him in spirit and truth. All creation has the Spirit of life in it that comes from the Holy Spirit, It is the life that is in the blood. But those born again have ressurection life and live by the Holy Spirit.
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

Warwick on 11/2/09 ( If that same spirit that was in christ dwell in you it will give life to your dead body, Ressurection power, we no longer live by the spirit in the blood but the Holy Spirit of God himself. THis makes us his children, the children of the ressurection,Jesus is the ressurection and the life,We can only obtain that life that comes by the Holy Spirit though God's Son. It pleased the Father to give the son Dominion and power
so that all would be complete in him and that all glory of the Father would come through the Son. The Son is our mediator, he is our way our gate to the Father.
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

Rhonda you chose to ignore my point re the Holy Spirit and blasphemy.

In the 1960's I visited the USSR. An amazing exercize in the power of indoctrination. The Russians (unable to travel) had a concept of the west which could not be 'dented' by reality. As much as I told them how life was in the west, they could not believe.

The antiTrinitarian view you and others profess, is similar. This view does not comes from Scripture. Otherwise intelligent people become ridiculous anthropomorphizing God talking of 3 headed/ 3 bodied gods! However God is not man, has no body but is Spirit who does not exist in space, matter or time. God is outside our reality and dimension. He is not a Spirit divided in 3 parts but 1 Spirit in 3 persons.
---Warwick on 11/2/09

The realization that the HOLY SPIRIT is is equivalent to JESUS comes from Scripture not the RCC. Nor does it come from Pagan sources. The HOLY SPIRIT is another Comforter equivalent to JESUS. Once we understand that it is easy to see that they are three. Let us trust the Bible as the final authority.

If there was scripture why did you not share?

There is not one scripture that declares Gods Holy Spirit is a "god" or another "divine being" - not one

you can deny if you choose to embrace your MOTHER RCC Rev 17 and trust her - Scripture states Christ ONLY declared he was ONE with The Father in Heaven - NEVER "one" with Holy Spirit
---Rhonda on 11/2/09

Sadly Christians have been influence by Greek thought ...question or philosophize about things that we will never understand.

True ...religious pagan trinity babble will NEVER be understood - complicated mess of theology that was GIVEN by pagan philosophers

Gods Word tells us to PROVE ALL THINGS ...True Christians PROVE by scripture who God IS: The Father in Heaven is ONE God and Christ is at his right hand ...where is Holy Spirit? behind, in front, around the corner?

counterfeit christians claim True God will never be understood that is antichrist to scripture ...mans reasoning cannot understand pagan philosophy superimposed over Holy Word of God handed down by generations of mortal mens lies
---Rhonda on 11/2/09

It is so amazing to me that people believe
what is concieved in their minds rather than what Jesus and his Father say about themselves. Idolotry is false ideas of God that people see in their minds. THe only way that people are free of idolotry is if what they believe is Gods word, and not what they think about Gods word. You cannot pick one scripture and call it doctrine. It has to be the word in it's whole discription and that word cannot contradict itself. If you will take the time to find what Jesus says about hinself and his Father put all these together you will began to realize that he is God's son.
---exzucuh on 11/2/09

There is no scripture that says you must believe in a trinity. But you are commanded to believe in one God and salvation is believing that Jesus is God's Son. THe bible says plainly if you do not believe in the Father and the Son you are antichrist.
---exzucuh on 11/2/09

Perhaps the word "Persons" is more personable, when it's used in referring to GOD. The word "people" usually, if not always, is used when referring to human beings. GOD is a Unit of Three Persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. GOD is not just One Person, like an "Old Man Upstairs". The Title of "GOD" is like the word "family". The "family" is one unit which consists of 3 or more persons. Although there are 3 or more persons in a family, the family is still "one" unit. GOD (or "ELOHIM") is likewise. A complete Unit of Three Persons.
---Gordon on 11/2/09

Well I am glad Rhonda that you accept that both JESUS and the FATHER are GOD.

The realization that the HOLY SPIRIT is is equivalent to JESUS comes from Scripture not the RCC. Nor does it come from Pagan sources. The HOLY SPIRIT is another Comforter equivalent to JESUS. Once we understand that it is easy to see that they are three. Let us trust the Bible as the final authority.
---Samuel on 11/2/09

Rhonda, the Holman Bible Dictionary says 'In the biblical context, blasphemy is an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God.'

Therefore as the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed, (Matthew 12:31) this can only mean the Holy Spirit is God! Otherwise He could not be blasphemed

It is interesting, and relevant, that Jesus in talking of blasphemy says that such a sin against Him will be forgiven, therefore also calling Himself God. Otherwise no one could blaspheme against Him.
---Warwick on 11/2/09

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Persons is used because it refers to a single entity (Person) which has 3 expressions. (Persons). Triune God is beyond the ability of man to understand. However, God has always been listed in Plural since Genesis. Elohim (name of God) is plural. The Jews could not understand, but never question it since they were not influence by the Greeks (i.e. philosophers). Sadly Christians have been influence by Greek thought (i.e. spirit vs. Material) and they constantly question or philosophize about things that we will never understand. The Hebrews, to their advantage, acccept Gods mystery without question or further thought.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/1/09

Ephesians 4:4-6 body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb [to be] his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
---MIchael on 11/1/09

1Thess 5:21 Prove all things, hold fast that which is good

seeing pagan trinity has so many definitions no wonder so many self professing christians reject truth instead embrace lies given by RCC about this non-biblical "god" - disguised pagan tradition of Baal under layers of complicated religious babble

truth is pagan trinity established by RCC sometime after 300AD ...seeing nothing from Gods Holy Word and only TWO god-beings are identified all through NT ...and THEY are ONE in mind - they are unified ...Christ NEVER mentions he is "one" with the Holy Spirit

God The Father is ONE divine being
Christ (The Word) is ONE divine being
Holy Spirit is not a "diving being" or "god"
---Rhonda on 11/1/09

I am not sure that I understand your question. Jesus, is the Person of the Holy Spirit. God, person of God. Jesus is more alive than you or I, my friends. What a privilege, and an honor to be chosen out of all the Kings, Prince, Wealthy, and the Powerful, by the most high God....Thank you JESUS.
---catherine on 10/31/09

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God is one person: THE FATHER, but you cannot be saved by believing in the Father.
THe Father saved us by sending his only son that came from his loins,Jesus is God's salvation. If you believe that Jesus is God's Son you will be saved. IF you obey the Gospel. Salvation was to the Jew first, they had to confess Jesus as God's Son but would not.Only a remnant of the Jews were saved because they followed Jesus. Many that followed him turned back to Judaism and were lost. By saying Jesus is the Father you deny him as the Son. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
---exzucuh on 10/31/09

Because God is not three people, nor is he three Gods: for God is one person.
---Eloy on 10/31/09

Right, No such scriptures for 3 persons. The man constantine devised r-catholocism the first trin-church with her offspring churches(such good people but so spiritually blind) & the 3 god's & or persons god-head teachings which came from here, 2nd Cor. 11 v's 14-15.
1st Tim 3 v 16, which Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 10/30/09

For example, in the legal sense of the word, Persons can refer to any individual, corporation, partnership, firm, association, trust, estate, public or private institution, group etc.
---Bruce5656 on 11/23/08

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WHERE does the word persons come up? In the bible, the Trinity doesn't say persons, Jesus said: "Father, I in you and thou in me." Then he said: Father, that they may be one even as we are one." Jesus uses the words "I", "ME" "YOU" never do I see persons. WHERE is that in scripture?
---Donna9759 on 9/21/07


The 14th Ammendment Ratified July 9, 1868, specificilly recinded Article I, section 2, of the US Constitution. It is no longer constitutional, nor is it "in the constitution".

So your point about 3/5 is...?

And having made that point, its relationsship to the Trinity is...?
---John_T on 5/23/06

Actually, in the technical language of Christian theology, we speak of the Holy Trinity as three Persons (HYPOSTASES), Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one essence or substance (the closest words we have in English to the Greek OUSIA or Latin SUBSTANTIA).
---Jack on 5/23/06

Okebaram, you are incorrect. the three-fifths clause was an anti-slavery apportionment provision designed to limit pro-slavery Southern representation in Congress. The anti-slavery leaders fully wanted free blacks to be counted, but not slaves, since counting slaves would increase the influence of slave-owners. The North and South fought over it and the final compromise was that only sixty percent of slaves would be counted to calculate the number of Southern representatives to Congress.
---chris on 5/19/06

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the 3/5 Compromise applied to ALL blacks.
Just though I'd correct that.
---Okebaram on 5/18/06

Jack, I gotcha. Nice reference.
---chris on 5/18/06 goes. The "Trinity", like we call "it" today is understandable and much simpler than we try to make it. God the Father (Jehovah), Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit are 3 seperate entities who occupy the God-head organization. They are one in the sense that they are united: that is why Jesus asked us to be one (to be united as Christians). They are 3 entities that are worthy to be worshipped and called God, individually or collectively.
---Okebaram on 5/18/06

"persons" is gramatically correct. I think we don't want to use "people" with spirits because "people" makes us think of humans. The best thing to say is "entities" rather than persons, so that we dont confuse humans with Spirits. As for your question...
---Okebaram on 5/18/06

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According to the primal post, the person was wondering why we don't say "People" instead of "Persons" when discussing the Trinity, because the Constitution begins "We the people" and not "we the persons..." This is based on the misperception that "people" is the plural of persons."

I simply pointed out that the same document that used "People" also used "persons", and I gave a reference.
---Jack on 5/15/06

The three-fifths provision applied ONLY to slaves and NOT free blacks, who voted and had the same rights as whites. Southern states wanted to count the slaves in their population to determine the number of congressmen from their states, slavery opponents pushed to keep the Southern states from having more representatives, and hence more power in congress. So, 3/5 of the slave population would count toward the number of Reps for the state.
---chris on 5/15/06

Due to the 14th Ammendment Ratified July 9, 1868, Article I, section 2, of the Constitution is no longer constitutional, nor is it "in the constitution"
---John_T on 5/15/06

the 14th Ammendment (part)
Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in[usa] and subject to [its] jurisdiction are citizens... No State shall make...any law abridg[ing] the privileges or immunities of citizens... nor ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny...the equal protection of the laws.
---John_T on 5/15/06

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John, you need to take your own advice. Get someone to read this to you:

U. S. Constitution, Article I, section 2 (in part)
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS...
Emphasis added.
---Jack on 5/14/06

You need to re read your high school history books.

You refer to the Dred Scott US Supreme Court decision whereby freed slaves were considered to be 3/5 of a white land owner.

---John_T on 5/14/06

The Constitution also says at one point, "three-fifths of all other PERSONS."

In any case, political use of words such as "people" and "persons" has nothing whatsoever to do with their theological use.
---Jack on 5/14/06

If Mike M thinks that reincarnation was discussed at Nicea, he clearly has NOT read the proceedings and acts of that council which are readily available, even on line.

A local (not Ecumenical) western council discussed the "humanity" of women to put to rest the silly notion that women didn't have souls.
---Jack on 5/13/06

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Mike, that's precisely the idea held by those who know nothing of history in general, or church history in particular.
---Jack on 5/13/06

Since you accept few parts of the Bible, I will spare you the references.

There is an 85 word max, and I have to be careful as to how I phrase things.

The point I made was that in retrospect, there are clear references to the Trinity in the OT, and that they have been "hidden" there as treasures to dig up.

They are much like prophecy fulfilled with Jesus first advent. these also were "hidden", but revealed in retrospect.
---John_T on 4/28/06

When one read the bible, try and read the hold book. over and over, Many scriptures in the holy book said, Father and son, is ONE, The holy spirit is our helper, God,s holy spirit for us, only in christ we recieves it from him. From the begining of the bible god speaks of us, he and his son who made all things.
---winna3836 on 4/28/06

John T; This is typical fundamentalist jargon "The Trinity is a concept hidden but clearly revealed?" Christ did not talk about "the Godhead" That was a term coined by Paul!
---1st_cliff on 4/28/06

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Sorry, Mike, but on this you are dead wrong. The Trinity is a concept, hidden but clearly revealed in the OT.

Christ also talked about two others in the Godhead.

Thus, as was done in codifying canon, the question was not a political one, rather, a question of this or that doctrine being taught in Scripture. Systematic Theology is not a democratic process.
---John_T on 4/27/06

The Father says he is one God there is none beside him, Jesus said babtise in One name singular of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit,he also said the Holy Spirit would come in his name,The Father is a Spirit,he is manifest in the Son, he told Phillip if you see me you see the Father. such should be true of us manifesting the likness of the Son.
---Exzucuh on 4/27/06

I think a good analogy is an egg. You have the yoke, the fluid (white part) and the shell. All three are distinct parts of the egg which is the whole. Without all 3 parts combined, it is not truly an egg.
---chris on 4/27/06

If one studies the history of the Roman Church one will see the political underpinnings. The hird century saw the 'church' as a miasma of beliefs, without any core doctrines. 300 of about 1800 Bishops were invited to the Nicea council by Constantine, he and the Bishops had an agenda, and 'orthodox' beliefs were hammered out by debate, and voting. This is all basic history. 'trinity'- a compromise doctrines based on greeko-hellenstic iodeas was one of those doctrines.
---MikeM on 4/27/06

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Mike, lots of things were discussed at Nicea, so I would not be surprised if reincarnation was discussed. (I have my books on historical theology packed away.)

As was in the case of Canon, the Ecumenical Counsels were NOT political meetings; they tried to discern the sense, and clear teachings in Scripture.
---John_T on 4/20/06

I am saying that at Nicea 'reincarnation' was discussed by Bishops who codified what many call today 'orthodoxy.' At some of those councils the nature of angels wings, and the humanity of women were debated. (Sources; Edward Gibbon, Dr.G. H. Heinz and Elaine Pagels)
---MikeM on 4/20/06

John T; The 'Fathers of the church' Like Esubius and Ireanious were simply the ones that survived, politically and eccleastically. Others were learned, but historically less lucky. Manuscripts, were defined as heretical or orthodox based on Roman politics. The 'Church' from the death of the Apostles was not monolithic until it had Romes political might to hammer out 'orthodoxy.' Paul was so right about an apostasy.
---MikeM on 4/20/06

John T: Side with the RCC if you like,I don't mind being a heretic in their eyes,but then again so was Martin Luther! "Clear teaching of the scriptures" I like that,the gospel according to the Emperors of Rome. Historian Will Durant "Christianity did not destroy paganism,it adopted it.The Trinity was a major preoccupation of Egyptian theologins.Three Gods combined as a single being,addressed in the singular".
---1st_cliff on 4/19/06

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Cliff: You describe youresef as being Arian; that is HERETICAL IT IS FOOLISH TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FURTHER.

Your issue is with the fathers of the church, learned men, conversant with Greek, with superior manuscripts.

Your problem is that you deny the CLEAR TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE

I drop this matter, quoting and following Proverbs 26:4, "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."
King James Version. 1995
---John_T on 4/19/06

I am a spirit and a soul dwelling in a body the body is dead without them and is biodegadable it is only a vehicle it is nothing, God can raise up children of abraham from rocks. and can make himself a body at will, but in these last days has chosen to dwell in his Son Jesus Christ, therefore as Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father
---Exzucuh on 4/19/06

Johm T;Good that you mention Psl 110.1 Look carefully (KJV) notice one LORD and the other Lord? Do you know why?
---1st_cliff on 4/19/06

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
---Exzucuh on 4/18/06

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Elmer: It's incorrect to use the word 'people' of God, because God is *not* human! The word 'persons' is used merely as a convenience to state that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate conscious entities (or 'persons'; for lack of a better word) within the one eternal God. Also, "Triunity" is a much better descriptive term of this reality than 'trinity' (which only signifies the idea of three, rather than the concept of "three in one").
---Daniel on 4/18/06

I admit, Mr. Cliff is offering a far superior argument than me. I will observe. To Moderator- Only that the Roman Bishops voted on rencarnation. Only 300 of the 1800 Bishops were present at Nicea.

Moderator - Reincarnation of? people? Jesus?
---MikeM on 4/18/06

Thanks for getting back, but I think your response is to another thread, not this one.

You are correct that "trinity" is not in the Bible, but saying that does not mean that the concept is not taught in Scripture.

It ignores the clear teachings of Jesus, who claimed equality with God, Psalm 110 that talks about the Son being a son of David, but nevertheless LORD, and there are many instances of Holy Spirit's ministry on the OT and NT.
---John_T on 4/18/06

The first recorded use of the Latin word 'trinity' was Tertullian around 200AD, refering to Father-Son-Holy Spirit as one in substance. Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19, Matthew 19:17, Mark 15:34, Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, Ephesians 1:17, 2 Corinthians 1:3, 1 Peter 1:3, John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:28, Mark 13:32, Philippians 2:5-10, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 allt seem to be against the Nicea idea of trinity.
---MikeM on 4/18/06

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Finally Compare Rev.3.14 with Prov.8.22
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

#5;381 AD Struggle is finally ended by Emperor Theodocius the Great who favored the Nicene Creed. Just like at Nicea,the "Emperors were dictating theology of the church! "Christendom has done away with Christianity without being quite aware of it " - Soren Kierkegaard-Time magazine c.16.1946.p.64. Plato: "God can in no way be described"
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

I believe by Nicea the 'Christian Church' was in apostasy. For the first 200 years a monolithic 'Christian Church' did not exist. The division between gnostic/non-gnostic was vague. What was scripture was in question. Doctrines were in absolute conflict. The voting at Nicea was political, to bring unity to a fractured Christianity.
---MikeM on 4/18/06

#4;325AD Constantine convenes the Council of Nicea,produces the Nicene Creed declaring Father and Son were same substance(homoousios) .Constantine was high priest of the pagan religion of "The unconquered Sun" 357AD Council of Simium-both homoosios and homoiusos ar avoided as "unbiblical"and it is agreed that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son.
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

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The Nicea Trinity was voted on by Roman Bishops under the eye of Constantine. These same Bishops rejected Reincarnation by one vote. 'Trinity' is clearly a greek-neo-platonistic concept. Even Bishop Esubias in 280AD had no concept of a Trinity. "I and the Father are one." Think about; "when man lays with a woman they are one flesh." Literalism?

Moderator - Reincarnation for the Trinity concept? What are your sources?
---MikeM on 4/18/06

#3 Yale University Professor E. Washburn Hopkins "To Jesus and Paul,the doctrine of the trinity was appearently unknown,they say nothing about it"-Origin and Evolution of Religion. Thomas Jefferson(dec.8.1822)The hocus-pocus Phantism of a god,like Cerbrus,with 1 body and 3 heads,that 1 in 3 and 3in 1 is so incomprehensable to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it.How can he believe what presents no idea?
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

#2 New Encyclopedia Britanica (vol. x p.126 1976) Neither theword trinity nor the explicit doctrine as such appears in the N.T. ,nor did Jesus and His followers intend to contradict the Shema"Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord"deut 6.4. The doctrine developed gradually over several the end of the 4th cent. the doctrine took substantially the form it has maintained ever since" Micropedia vol x p 126 1976.
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

John T;You asked for credible statements. Encyclopedia Americana(vol.xxvii p.294 1956) "4th century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God.It was on the contrary a deviation from this teaching" "The word trinity is not found in bible,it did not find a place formally in the theology of the church "till the 4th century"- Illustrated Bible Dictionary...cont
---1st_cliff on 4/18/06

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funny, i was under the impression that Jesus Christ himself (along with the rest of the bible) was a believer in the trinity. He may not have called it "trinity" but the concept is no different.

John 10:29,30
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
---chris on 4/18/06

No, Arius was apostate. I believe ALL the Roman Bishops as Nicea were apostate. Arius used a term 'homoousios' (same substance) its Greek language and relation to Gnosticism said Jesus and God were homoousios (of same substance). What is interesting it was rejewcted at Nicea, that term was codified in 451AD. The conflict in doctrine was political, not theological at Nicea.
---MikeM on 4/18/06

Mike M: Your (wrong) statement indicates you may be a JW or a follower of Arius. Is this true?
---John_T on 4/17/06

The Trinity is a Greek pagan concept, accepted by the council of Nicea in 325AD.
---MikeM on 4/13/06

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trinty or oneness is to complicated for my mind, my Father in heaven sent his son to die for me. my Father is a Spirit and the spirit of the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son.because the Son has made a way for me I am one with the Father through the Son .the Son has been given all power in heaven and earth. because the father is in him I worship him.
---Exzucuh on 4/12/06

Its like a cliche, One God in 3 persons. People would work fine too: One God in 3 people. It doesnt sound as good that way though.

1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
---chris on 4/12/06

God is not a person in the "people" sense of the word. He just is Exodus 3:14, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

Any language we use to describe God is pitifuly inadequate.

"Persons" is descriptive of the fact that God has personality not that he is a "person" in the "people" sense of the word.
---Bruce5656 on 4/12/06

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