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Rapture After The Tribulation

If I am to believe in the teaching that we will not go through the tribulation and be Raptured, then why does Jesus say in Matthew 24:29-30 immediately after the tribulation--then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven?

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 ---eliza4969 on 4/21/06
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DON'T BELEIVE the pre-rapture teaching, it's a smokescreen to prevent Christians from preparing themselves in the Holy Spirit for tough times ahead.

Read Matthew 24 and other Gospels where it infers one shall be taken the other left, then it Notes some vultures. If you'll look in Revelations 19:11-17 and Ezekial 39 there is a great feast God is preparing for the Birds. It's the unrighteous. who's being taken and left...? Apostate Christians went back into sin and were caught off guard.
---yochanon on 2/8/08

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
We are not, as christians, the ones that He comes as the thief in the night as you state. Yes He can come in the time of the afore mentioned scriptures in Revelation and still be in line with what has been written.
---Daryl on 2/5/08

First, the judgment of the great day will be committed to the Son of man. Secondly, The Son of man will be at that day come in the clouds of heaven. Thirdly, He will come with power and great glory: Fourthly, Therefore the Son of man will be the judge, that he may be seen, that sinners thereby may be the more confounded."Is this he whom we have slighted, and rejected, and rebelled against, whom we have crucified to ourselves afresh, who might have been our Savior, but is our judge?"
---catherine on 2/5/08

(1 Th 5:4 KJV) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

We must be sober and vigilant. There aren't 2nd chances. Compare Matt 24:12-27 with Rev 14:1-16.
I don't believe God left the rapture out of Revelations.
---Larry on 2/5/08

I see some great replies here but just wanted to point out a few things. It would be impossible for Jesus to 'come like a thief' after the 7th trumpet so there has to be a coming like a thief to seal the 144 thousand who go thru the tribulation to get the bride ready. See the two different judgments in Rev. 11:1,2. And then the coming in the clouds for everyone, 144k, 5 wise maids, and the bride.
---Dr._Rich on 2/4/08

1 Pet 4:17 says judgment must begin in the house of God. We will not escape by rewriting scripture with vague inferences when the truth is plain but disagreeable. The seventh trumpet period has all the charachteristics of the same scriptures that pre-tribbers use. Rev 14:15 records the harvest which is another explanation of the period just before the vials of wrath.
---Larry on 2/4/08

Eight, why would Jesus command the Christians to flee if they are going to be raptured without harm?
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Last, but not least, we will be warned about it before it happens.

So, forget about this rapture thing, about the age of the universe, about knowing how the Earth began, or when it will end, about dinosaurs, about "Whos on first, What's on second and I-don't-knows on third." Teach the Gospel that Jesus taught - the Gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there. Go out into the world and spread the Gospel. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

It's apparent that these posts (as with other blogs) are from people who are just too knowledgeable to agree on any one point. They use their worldly knowledge to define what is truth. Posters use worldly Christian references instead of relying on the Bible itself. It is also apparent that posters have the knowledge of God, but deny his true power. Christianity today is in a very sad state of affairs when Christians have a very superficial view of the Bible and rarely delve into the heart of it.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Seventh, the verses that most Christians believe that pertain to the rapture can be easily plugged into the beginning, the middle or the end of the so-called tribulation period. Christians will be going through the tribulation much like all the other people who gone through tribulation in the past like the Israelites in Egypt during the plagues, Noah and his family, and all the remnants. Dont worry though if your faith in God is strong, He will protect you.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Third, Every time there was a catastrophe, Godly men and women were not raptured, but were protected by God while still on earth. Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God. All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Forth, There are only two resurrections, not three. If there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be three resurrections - one at the beginning of the tribulation period, one at the end of the tribulation (to bring up the Christians and converted ones), and one at the end of the thousand year period. It's written that blessed are those who rise during the first resurrection. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Fifth, Why have a tribulation? If the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Sixth, how can you Christians be so vain to think you are more special than the Christians and Godly people who died in all of history. Don't be afraid about what is about to happen during these end times for God promised to protect you from his wrath. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past? Now is the time to strengthen your relationship with God.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

This is a frivolous debate. But if you must, let's reason this out.

First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Second, there is nothing new under the sun. No one in history was ever raptured. Jesus himself said no one has ascended into heaven. Neither Moses or Elijah will be the witnesses. God even says that he buried Moses in a valley. I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

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mima- ok, you are saying there will be 2 appearences of Jesus, a return and then a return again, scriptures please because all I read is of 1 return after the tribulation of his appearing and sending his angels to gather the elect, then judgement falls on the ones left.
---eliza4969 on 2/2/08

I believe these verses refer to the literal physical return of the war Jesus Christ to this earth to begin the judgments of the sheep and goat nations. I do not believe that this is when He comes with a shout and raises the dead in Christ and catches away those of us who are alive and in Christ, this coming in the clouds will be before His physical touching on earth
---mima on 4/23/07

part of the falling away will be the pre-tribs who will be shocked that they are going thru the tribulation. they will believe the Bible false and will fall away from the faith
---r.w. on 6/16/06

I have read this blog and read much on this subject and I see very clearly that this teaching is totally false. It has only been around since the 1900's and is not found in the Bible except by taking verses out on contact. If interested in known the truth let me know.
---Bruce on 6/16/06

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Debbie, I love most of ur replies but Ulrika has a point; i think the 7-year countdown begins immediately after the rapture. but like the bible explains, the first 3&1/2 years would be rather unusual with the anti-Christ coming into power and then bringing peace to the world so that he is loved, and then the remaining 3&1/2 years is disaster. (The stuff I said is in the bible, minus my refutal of your 30-day claim)
---Okebaram on 5/22/06

Debbie, How do you know the rapture is 30 days before the tribulation starts? Do you know a verse that says that?
---Ulrika on 5/22/06

the second coming is when christ reigns for a thousand years.before the tribulation paul writes the the dead in christ will join him in the air and then we that are alive will be caught up with him and we shall forever more be with the lors.during the 7 year trib the church meaning born again believers will be with christ in heaven.
---tom on 5/22/06

the second coming is when christ reigns for a thousand years.before the tribulation paul writes the the dead in christ will join him in the air and then we that are alive will be caught up with him and we shall forever more be with the lors.during the 7 year trib the church meaning born again believers will be with christ in heaven.
---tom on 5/22/06

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FWIW, NO major denomination has adopted a pre-trib rapture eschatology as official doctrine. Even the Plymouth Brethren who initiated the doctrine rejected it eventually.
It's only God's spoiled brats--American pop-evangelicals--who believe in it. You really don't find many pre-trib believers anywhere else in the world.

Moderator - Are you sure about the other parts of the world? America exports ideas in this arena whether they are true or false doctrines. If you are from another country other than the USA, what do you believe for the Great Tribulation?
---Jack on 5/12/06

Revelation 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. there is no (the) before great. all Christians go through tribulation it teaches them to trust in the blood rather than their own righteousness.Math 24:21 no (the) either, this reference was a prophecy to the Jews of their destuction in 70 ad. in the last days men shall believe fables.
---Exzucuh on 4/27/06

The rapture that everyone is looking for is going to happen about 30 days before the tribulation starts. That will be the rapture of the Bride only. There will be two more raptures during the first half of the 7 years. All of the Church will be in heaven before the middle of the week. There are ranks in the resurrection. Each in their own order. I Cor. 15

---Debbie on 4/27/06

Elder, No rapture No rapture Jesus will be here at the first resurection. I agree if that's what your calling the rapture.
---Thomas on 4/26/06

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What I tried to say and did so poorly is that there is no sign of the Rapture. It can happen at any time.
When the Tribulation starts there will be plenty of signs of the Second Coming.
---Elder on 4/26/06

Elder: Am I reading you corrrectly? No signs of Christ's coming until after His coming? I don't think so! My Bible tells me that there will many signs of His coming, including an imitation by Satan of His coming which will fool many! So I am not sure what you meant in your blog but I am sure you will tell me! P.
---Pierr5358 on 4/25/06

Simply because that is the way it will be.
After the Great Tribulation the Second Coming of Christ will occur. It is then that there will be signs.
There is no sign of the time that the Church will be caught away. It will happen suddenly and without warning.
Be ready.
---Elder on 4/22/06

There will be two appearances ... when Jesus comes in the clouds for His harvest and when He returns to earth for Megiddo. I believe the second coming is when Jesus actually touches the ground for the last war.
---Nellah on 4/22/06

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It is simple Eliza. He said it so that we would not believe this teaching, It has no scriptural bases. Jesus returns only once more, after the tribulation.
---josef on 4/22/06

Mima, Jesus will be here at the first resurection. Martha said to Jesus, I know he will rise at the resurection. If there were to be a "rapture" wouldn't Jesus have told Martha. Was not Lazarus a christian and Martha said, I know he will rise at the resurection. The thought of being here during the tribulation is more than christians today can stand, so most of them won't consider the possibility. The dead in Christ shall rise first.
---Thomas on 4/21/06

He will come after the tribulations and when He comes back, the righteous will be lifted up to meet Him in the air! P.
---Pierr5358 on 4/21/06

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