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Was Satan The Music Director

I need to have biblical proof of lucifer being minister of music in heaven. I know he was but I cannot find the scripture. I need an answer as soon as possible.

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satan must have been the minister of music. it seems when there is trouble in the church, it starts with the music.
---shira_3877 on 8/11/11


Trying to find that very thing out myself - so far no scripture to support the idea of his being a worship leader-or the chief musician - but if you find it let me know-please.Thanks-RR
---Robert_Rose on 8/10/11


Did you find the answer you were needing concerning satan being choir director? I don,t believe the scripture actually says he directed anything, maybe, maybe not. But it does imply he is a musical being as mentioned in another reply, and an anointed cherub.
---Tony_L_Smith on 12/27/10


\\ware is the scripture that lucifer was the chior directer
---eugene_crutchfield on 12/21/10\\

There is a verse somewhere in one of the major prophets that says "all thy pipes, tabrets, and harps were in thee," but that's a rather childishly literal interpretation of this passage.
---Cluny on 12/21/10


ware is the scripture that lucifer was the chior directer
---eugene_crutchfield on 12/21/10




pt 1
The popular interpretation is incorrect, traditional teaching. Try this!
"The workmanship of your Lexus, Golden Gate Bridge, Space Shuttle, and Gibson Guitar were PRE-PARED in you the day you were created."

God PRE-pared all potential things in the HUMAN king of Tyrus for his future cherubic rein as king. God didn't wait until he was king to put that potential in him. He PRE-pared it at the kings' creation. Just as God PRE-pared all potential in ADAM at HIS creation. THEN PLACED HIM IN EDEN TO GROW.
This matches context! "Thou has been in Eden." Gardens grow potential! Angels don't grow, HUMANS do!
The potential cherubic part of Tyrus' rein was offset by his human greed. Thus the lamentation!
---Legends on 10/19/10


pt2
Wings are created resources given to protect what is under their covering. Adam's cherubic potential was placed within him at creation. The king of Tyrus' cherubic potential was in him at creation. Hitler's cherubic potential was in him. Every President ever elected to the United States had the cherubic potential put within them at their creation.
You have it and so do I. It has to grow in the Eden garden without tares or HUMAN greed will set in like it did with the king of Tyrus. Then God must dethrone the king as he did Hitler.

Ignored But Waaaaayy Obvious:
Neither Satan nor the word Lucifer are mentioned in ch28. Satan and Lucifer keep recurring in this blog. Hmmmm
ALL angels do their jobs perfectly. Humans???
---Legends on 10/19/10


Answer: Ezekiel 28:13 of the KJV and NKJV seems to hint that Satan was involved with music in Heaven. The NKJV says, The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created, although the exact meaning of this difficult Hebrew text is uncertain. There may have been such instruments in heaven, but there is no evidence outside this verse to verify it. Revelation 5:8 and 15:2 refer to harps, but not to timbrels or pipes.
---terrell on 10/18/10


"You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones." Ezekiel 28:13-14
You won't find it because: 1)This verse is comparing the King of Tyre to ADAM not a so-called fallen angel.
Lucifer is not even a name found in the Hebrew Bible. The original word isn't a name at all. It's more likely to be the verb "howl".
---Legends on 5/26/10


I asked Jesus, "does Satan understand the way that You work? If he does then he is STUPID! And if he doesn't then it's more understandable. God said to me, "not completely". Then I said, "well, then, it is understandable". But, he is still stupid". And I kinda twisted my lips a little. You know mean like. God just laugh, and so did I.
---catherine on 5/25/10




Brenda---I don't think you will find proof anywhere in the Bible.

Ezekiel 28:13-14 is probably the most relevent verse...but as you see, there are (at least) two QUITE different interpretations.

Sometimes there is little evidence for things you have "heard" from other Christians. You are wise to check it out.
Maybe you don't need to prove anything about Lucifer after all.
---Donna66 on 5/24/10


This is what I found....Lucifer, because of his beauty, did what a musical instrument would do in the hand of a skilled musician, bring forth a psalm of praise to the gory of God. Lucifer didn't have to look for someone to play the organ so that he could sing the doxology---he was a doxology.
---catherine on 5/22/10


Hey, guys, one of the above answers is correct. The mentioned verses are not talking about the devil. Lucifer was the King of Babylon and the other references are talking about real royalty, not Satan. A lack of study is where we get some false theology.
---Timothy on 5/18/10


(Ezekiel 28:13-14 " You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.")
---TP on 9/21/09


Pete,
Did a Strongs study. Found material that I wanted to pass along.
You said that 1)tabrets and 2)pipes are 1)bezels and 2)sockets for holding jewels(and not musical instruments).
Found that interesting seeing that almost everyone I've heard teach or preach refers to both tabrets and pipes as musical instruments.
Per my review: According to Strongs, pipes are bezels for holding jewels. But tabrets are musical instruments like a tamborine.
Might it be possible that jewels inside a container could have been used as a musical instrument in those days? I don't know.
Either way, there has never been an angel named lucifer. Isaiah and Ezekiel are clearly referring to two different humans.
---Legends on 8/31/09


Pete,
Good info! Time to re-read, review, reassess and possibly change in light of that information.
---Legends on 8/25/09


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"of thy tabrets" means a bezel that would hold jewels.

"of thy pipes" means a socket that holds jewels.

That verse is not talking about music.
---Pete on 8/12/09


Personally, I don't think the devil is worthy of any name at all. He'll be forgotten at his distruction anyways! Amen? And just so you know, Steven, not all of the bible was written in Hebrew. Some of it was Aramaic, and some of it was Greek, because not everyone that the new testament letters were written to were Jews.
---Bryan on 2/6/09


wayne: "theres that name again'lucifer', why do you persist in using a latin name in a hebrew text???? I can promise you that the name you keep using is not in the hebrew text. Wake up people, how decieved do you have to be, christains need to go back and read the actual texts from the hebrew, not these so called english from latin translations."

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

Other names of Satan include: Abaddon, Angel of light, Antichrist, Apollyon, Beelzebub, Belial, Devil, Dragon, Leviathan just to name a few.
---Steveng on 12/17/08


Ezekiel 28:13 would be the reference....and i like all these opinions everyone had.
The Devil he is such a tricky lil evil thing. Yes he was the minister of music. Let me tell you how he can use this as his advantage. Now in the new age when we fight a enemy we have all this armor for our whole bodies...but what is left out so often..anyone?...Our ears he can get to us through our ears. Have you ever listen closely to a secular song? If you listen real good and you listen hard you can hear something other than the person singing..and no not the background singers..its like something in the background its so hard to explain but i kno its not of God.
---Brianna on 12/16/08


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theres that name again'lucifer', why do you persist in using a latin name in a hebrew text???? I can promise you that the name you keep using is not in the hebrew text. Wake up people, how decieved do you have to be, christains need to go back and read the actual texts from the hebrew, not these so called english from latin translations.
---wayne on 7/28/08


Well, you might understand it if you will read...in Ezekiel 28:12-19]....Lucifer, because of his beauty, did what a musical instrument would do in the hands of a skilled musician, bring forth a psalm of praise to the glory of God....Now, here we find that Satan did indeed praise God before he was dethroned. Lucifer didn't have to look for someone to play the organ so that he could sing the doxology----he was a DOXOLOGY. God told Ezekiel to go tell King Tyre in verse 17. And it reads: So I threw you down to the earth, I made a spectable of you before Kings. Get your Bible tools out. And please don't forget God.
---catherine on 7/28/08


Mark V "KJV is the original" The original what? By whom and for whom was it written and in whose language? What was written for all others for whom that version was of no earthly use?
---RitaH on 7/28/08


Matt V "KJV is the original"

KJV is the original what?
---alan_of_UK on 7/27/08


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How do you figure KJV is the original??? I dont think so, better study a little more
---wayne on 7/27/08


KJV is the original, and read the last few verses in Revelation. You dont add or take away from Gods word. Chief Musician of heaven, i believe so, according to Isaiah 28:13. Listen to teenage music nowadays, and tell me its not of satan:) Simple as that.
---Matt_V on 7/26/08


There is no reference to Satan being the minister of music. The one verse that can be used Ez 38:13 only metions instruments in the KJ and NKJ versions with notes to say the Hebrew intention for these words is very hard to understand (other versions do not mention anything to do with instruments)Considering the lack of biblical proof we cannot say that he had anything to do with music in heaven. Also the EZ passage is a prophecy against the King of Trye it is not just talking about Satan
---bob on 6/2/08


Satans music is very prevalent today. Ez 28:13 is a clear view that his is music. The youth's music is filled with satanic lyrics. We must stand against his music
---Ryan_Goodbody on 6/1/08


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This explains a lot of my dreams and experiences in churches, especially concerning the music ministry. Thank you very much, you learned posters!!
---frances008 on 5/28/08


In heaven-Lucifer was not only a musician but he was music in himself.So do we wonder that he controls so much of the music in the world today?He could break into a sound which would resemble that of a thousand perfectly co-ordinated orchestra's.The workmanships of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou was created.{Ezek 28:13}This was his praise to the God of heaven.To be cont'd.
---Elisabeth on 5/28/08


Thus in this creature of spotless character, flawless beauty, unceasing praise, unimaginable color, and "musical majesty" we have "Lucifer" before he became "Satan"!
And now he is known as a defeated foe because of his self-deception.He became self-deceived thinking that he could actually dethrone the God of the universe.And, now he is a doomed to a Lake of Fire, "Fallen Angel"."The deceiver, the killer, the liar, the thief, the destroyer, The doomed!
---Elisabeth on 5/28/08


I dont think the Bible actually refers to satan as a "minister of music". But Ezekiel 28:13
"The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. "

Many believe that "timbrels and pipes" refers to his beautiful singing voice, perhaps as if he opened his mouth and a 4 part harmony came out. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/28/08


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The bible speaks about him being created to be a minister of music, but when you look he was the one who composed all music and introduced God's glory
---Steven on 5/28/08


(Ezekiel 28:13-14 " You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.")
---sabra on 10/2/07


He was created as the minister of music in heaven. (Ezekiel 28:13-14 " You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.")
---Michele_Cannon on 9/14/07


How do you know he was. We are not told this in the Bible.
---Bruce5656 on 4/23/07


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I don't think Satan was music director. Where did you get this information? I can't find it in Scripture either.
---daniel on 10/1/06


I have a set of CDs - Beethoven's nine symphonies - under the direction of Maestro Lucifer, B.Mus. MCA

A copy is available upon request.
---A_Catholic on 5/9/06


Michael,
Assuming (and that is a huge assumption) that the information you gave is talking about satan and he was a musician, there is no indication there that he was the head one.
---Bruce5656 on 5/9/06


Michael, tabrets are the finger cymbals (note, wooden tabrets are called castanets), whereas timbrels are tambourines. And the pipes are the wind instruments like panpipes or flutes.
---Eloy on 5/9/06


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I think this is a needlessly literal interpretation.

Do you really think the worship of heaven works like in a typical American evangelical (or pop-evangelical) church?
---Jack on 5/7/06


Ezekiel 28:13 - "... the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

workmanship - occupation or trade
tabrets - like a tambourine
pipes - vocal pipes

Thus the job of singing and playing an instrument....Satan was in charge of music in heaven
---Michael on 5/6/06


eloy,
Ok, I just got it. Cute
---Bruce5656 on 5/4/06


Eloy - since gold is not a stone, perhaps there were 4 jaspers?
---questor on 5/4/06


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..bruce, are you stoned?...I jest.
---Eloy on 5/4/06


Ulrika,
No problem :) God bless

eloy
Yeah....sure...
---Bruce5656 on 5/3/06


Bruce, My mistake.
---Ulrika on 5/3/06


..bruce, the list in Ezekiel is the same as the list in Exodus, but the list in Exodus is more detailed. This is very common in Scripture, for ex: "love with all your 1-heart, and with all your 2-mind, and with all yur 3-conscience." Matthew 22:37. "love with all your 1-heart, and with all your 2-mind, and with all your 3-conscience, and with all your 4-might." Mark 12:30. Both refer to the exact same thing, they are the same, but one is more detailed or complete, and lists more.
---Eloy on 5/3/06


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PART ONE:
eloy,
So, the KJV turns out to be unreliable after all. Herb is going to be mighty dissapointed about that.
The breastplate, had 12 different stones. Exodus 28:17-20, "And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a
1sardius, a
2topaz, and a
3carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an
4emerald, a
5sapphire, and a
6diamond.
---Bruce5656 on 5/3/06


PART TWO:
And the third row a
7ligure, an
8agate, and an
9amethyst. And the fourth row a
10beryl, and an
11onyx, and a
12jasper:
they shall be set in gold in their inclosings."

And, once again, in biblical terms, any list of precious stones is going to have duplication and the longer the list the more duplication as there were only so many stones known at the time.
---Bruce5656 on 5/3/06


Ulrika,
Gold is a metal, not a stone. To call gold a stone is no more realistic that calling iron or brass a stone. Gold is a precious metal along with silver, platinum etc.
---Bruce5656 on 5/3/06


Bruce, I am using the KJV. Look at your list. You forgot to count gold.
---Ulrika on 5/3/06


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Bruce ... He seems to be saying "the jaspers" must be at least two, and he includes gold as well, although it is not a stone
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/3/06


..bruce, my credibility is the righteousness of Christ, which is never damaged. i am using the Hebrew text. Jaspers is plural, so it would mean 2 or more, and most likely is 3 because there are 12 stones in the breastplate.
---Eloy on 5/3/06


..bruce, the Hebrew reads:
1-ruby
2-topaz
3-diamond
4-chrysolite
5-onyx
6-8-jaspers (plural)
9-sapphire
10-turquoise
11-emerald
12-gold
---Eloy on 5/3/06


Ezekiel 28 does not seem to refer to Lucifer. In verse 12 Ezekiel is to give the king of Tyre the message, not Lucifer. In verse 2 he had to give the prince of Tyre the message. This entire Scripture context has nothing to do with Lucifer. It is a lamentation to the prince and king of Tyre and God is telling Ezekiel to give those guys the word, not Lucifer.
---john on 5/3/06


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bruce, your list has carbuncle and gold listed as number 9. They are seperating them to form #9 and #10.

Eloy, from what translation do you read? I am just curious. The Young's Literal Translation was the closest I could find to what you posted, but it still had differences.
---chris on 5/2/06


Isaiah 14:11-12 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise(sounds) of thy viols(lyre and psaltry, musical instuments): the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
---exzuc6636 on 5/2/06


Ulrika
You say 10 Eloy says 11, I have given the list of 9 below, a direct quote from the KJV. What version are you using?
---Bruce5656 on 5/2/06


10 precious stones listed in Ezekiel 28:13.
---Ulrika on 5/2/06


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PART ONE:
Eloy,
Give me a break. Here is the entire verse Ezekiel 28:13, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the
1sardius,
2topaz, and the
3diamond, the
4beryl, the
5onyx, and the
6jasper, the
7sapphire, the
8emerald, and the
9carbuncle,
and gold:
---Bruce5656 on 5/2/06


PART TWO:
the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

Just what version are you using? Your insistence that this list of 9 ads up to 11 realy damages your credibility. If you are not using the KJV, why not just say so to avoid such confusion.
---Bruce5656 on 5/2/06


John, it says in v.13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;..." Do you think that the king of Tyrus, if it were man, has been there?

Eloy, out of which translation are you quoting? Just curious, because yours and mine does not match up.
---chris on 5/2/06


..bruce, you still err in counting.
---Eloy on 5/2/06


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Sometimes Satan is the minister of music on earth. Of this fact I have clear and absolute unrefutable proof,.. OZZY
---MikeM on 5/2/06


PART ONE:
Ezekiel 28:13, "every precious stone was thy covering, the 1sardius, 2topaz, and the 3diamond, the 4beryl, the 5onyx, and the 6jasper, the 7sapphire, the 8emerald, and the 9carbuncle"

I stand corrected. There are 9 not 8. My point remains. Any list of precioius stones would contain some or all of these.
---Bruce5656 on 5/2/06


PART TWO: In the past, you have shown your self to be a litteralist, not allowing for any literary things like anthramorphorisms. Here we are told "every precious stone" This list is probably only representative since there are many more precious stones than even the breastplate contained.
---Bruce5656 on 5/2/06


..bruce, there are at least 11 stones mentioned in Ezekiel 28:13 (and inferably 12) and not 8 as you miscounted: 1-ruby; 2-topaz; 3-diamond; 4-chrysolite; 5-onyx; 6 and 7 (and probably 8 according to the breastplate of the high priest)-jaspers (plural); 9-sapphire; 10-turquoise; 11-emerald; 12-gold. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 5/1/06


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There are only so many types of precious stones named in the Bible. It only stands to reason that any list of precious stones will be similar.

Eight of the types of known precious stones are listed in both places Ex 28:17-20 (breast plate of the high priest, 12 stones) and Ezek 28:13 (8 stones.)

Similar lists do not make them "the stones in the breastplate of the high priest."
---Bruce5656 on 5/1/06


..bruce, the precious stones were the stones in the breastplate of the high priest. And according to Scripture Satan, called beelzebub is the chief of all devils, and he was responsible for leading 1/3 of the heavenly host in rebellion against God. That's why he along with 1/3 of the conspiring angels were thrown out of heaven down to earth.
---Eloy on 5/1/06


john, when you continue and read verse 14 and onward thtrough the whole passage you will understand that it is none other but Satan that the scripture refers to, much the same way as when Jesus said to Peter, "But he turned and said to Peter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offence to me: for you savor not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matthew 16:23.
---Eloy on 5/1/06


Just because he is mentioned with instruments is no indication that he was "ministe of music" or "worship leader" in heaven.
---Bruce5656 on 5/1/06


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If there is Scriptural proof that Lucifer was a minister of music, please don't think that ministers of music are not needed and are evil. God would have been the one to put Lucifer in that position if he was indeed in it.
---john on 5/1/06


Eloy. In Ezek. 28:12 it says that this was a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus. Maybe you could tell us why you think it is referring to Lucifer. It seems to suit Lucifer but it does say that it was to the king of Tyrus. Thanks.
---john on 5/1/06


"In Eden the garden of God you have been; every precious stone your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the chrysolite, the onyx, and the jaspers, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold: The workmanship of your finger cymbals and of your pipes in you, in the day you were created, they were prepared." Ezekiel 28:13.
---Eloy on 5/1/06


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