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Ten Commandments Weekend

This weekend is very important on 10 Commandments. Some Christians believe they were nailed to the Cross. If so, why so much emphasis on them this weekend? And what about the Fourth Commandment.

Moderator - What happens this weekend?

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Gina - *Does it make a difference as to what day of the week one observes as holy?*

Apparently not as we read

Romans 14:5-6 " One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord."

We are New Covenant Christians according to the promise; not children of Hagar .
---lee on 5/17/07

Lee: u talk a lot of unbiblical hogwash,follow truth boy. God's law called Royal Law Ja 2:8, LOM called Law contained in the ordinances Ep2:15, GL placed inside Ark EX40:20,why? permanence. LOM by the side of the Ark Deut31:26, Why by the side? its temporary.It served only to prepare the people for the coming Seed/Christ then made obselete Heb10:1, Col 2:13,14,16,17..note Luk24:44.
---jana on 5/17/07

Gina7-*"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.6days shalt thou labour,& do all thy work,but the7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God..wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day&hallowed it*
Mt.11"Come unto Me,all ye that labour&are heavy laden,&I'll give you rest.Take My yoke upon you,&learn of Me;for I'm meek&lowly in heart:&ye shall find rest unto your souls.For My yoke is easy,&My burden is light.
To day hear His voice&obey.Jesus DOESN'T change.Figure it out,Gina.
---Sheila on 5/13/07

Ok sorry i dont like to use You b/c its not proper debate, and it brings upon anger...but i just need to ask this in love you follow the law in duet 14:1 (do not cut yourselves or shave the front of your heads...)or do you eat what God told you not to (rabit, pig, etc..) i could go on and on...
---mark_B. on 5/12/07

How dare you say that we are not saved b/c we dont obey...What about all the tribal people eating the unclean things...those tribal people who are saved, but dont like or act like we do...are they saved or do they just think their i not going to heaven b/c i go to church on sunday, and i dont work on sunday...this is almost reediculous...sorry for pointing fingers...I will see you someday in heaven
---mark_B. on 5/12/07

Ashley "What everyone fails to realize is it is not important if saturday is kept as the sabbath or sunday. the important thing is one day is set apart from the week as a day of rest, where you grow closer to God and learn the gospel of Jesus Christ."
Bible: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. 6 days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work, but the 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God..wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" Exodus 20:8,9
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

Lee "
Does it make a difference as to what day of the week one observes as holy? "
Bible "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. 6 days shalt thou labour and do all thy work, but the 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God in it thou shalt not do any work...For in 6 days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the 7th day, wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" Exodus 20:8-11
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

Faith is the requirement,faith alone imparted righteousness to Abraham,faith alone imparts righteousness to CHritians and the faith plus doctrine of SDA's can be thrown out.Ryan_Z on 5/7/07 /"By Faith Abraham,when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed.." Heb11:8 Abraham was obedient,he OBEYED God,&that was due to his Faith. Faith is acted upon,&those who are obedient in keeping the Sabbath, will be saved by faith as they OBEYED God.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

Disobedient people can say they have faith all they want, and claim to expect to be saved, but the Bible is clear only those who are obedient to God, actually have faith in Him, and believe in Him. The obedient OBEY God and keep all 10 commandments. "Blessed are they that DO His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates to the city" Rev 22:14. To "DO" his commandments means to keep all 10 of them.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.." Heb 11:4 Abel OBEYED God in offering the animal sacrifice God asked for: Cain DISOBEYED God by offering something else. Abel was faithful because he followed God's command. Do SDA's, or Mainstream Churches, follow God's command to keep holy the 7th day Sabbath? Which follows God, and which offers up a different day?
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith" Hebrews 11:7 When God said build an ark, did Noah just sit there and say, No, I am not going to obey? Noah instead OBEYED God, and became an heir of righteousness which is by faith. "I will show thee my faith by my works" James 2:18
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

The examples of faith in Hebrews 11 all show people whose faith in God was so strong that they OBEYED Him, even when it meant Abraham giving up his son Isaac in a sacrifice, after God said his seed would be through Isaac! Abraham's faith was so strong, he would obey and kill his own son, because he knew God could resurrect Isaac. Is our faith so strong we will OBEY God today? Will we obey God and keep all 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath?
---Gina7 on 5/12/07

Lee says "the Sabbath has little to do with relationships." But Ex 31:13 says "My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a SIGN between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." They are a sign of a relationship much like a ring is used to signify a marriage-Ez 20:12, 20. Don't tell me Sabbath doesn't matter. God calls it is His-"My Sabbath."
---Geoff on 5/11/07

Jerry, you have had hundreds of scriptures shown to you to contradict your views and you have chosen to ignor them all and continue on in your own beliefs. Why should I waste my time showing you again so you can ignor what I write to. you will adamantly hold on to your opinions in spite of others showing you otherwise. that is your choice and it is futile for others to show you that you are in error. Jesus is the new covenant, not the old, but many choose to rebel against him and what he taught.
---ashley on 5/9/07

Does it make a difference as to what day of the week one observes as holy?

The Scripture clearly state that "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

The only weekly day that the church observes is Sunday; not as a Sabbath but in accordance to that tradition established by the early church. (2 Thes. 2:15)
---lee on 5/9/07

Ashley: If you had the Commandments "burned into your heart," then you would not argue so intently against them and you would try harder to keep them. Opinions are fine, but you must find scripture to justify your assertion that "it makes no difference to God what day you worship" if you expect to sway anyone.
---jerry6593 on 5/9/07

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1 Cor. 9:20-21 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

It is doubtful that the Apostle Paul taught obedience to Mosaic laws (esp. Sabbath keeping) but was more compelled to reach others with the gospel.
---lee on 5/8/07

While moral law found within the commandments is essential for an orderly society, there is no evil or detrimental effects resulting from not observing a particular day such as the Sabbath as holy.

Love of neighbor is the fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:9) and clearly the Sabbath commandment has little or nothing to do with relationships.

It is simply a ceremonial law in which the Adventists have turned into an idol similar to what the Pharisees did during Christ stay on earth.
---lee on 5/8/07

What everyone fails to realize is it is not important if saturday is kept as the sabbath or sunday. the important thing is one day is set apart from the week as a day of rest, where you grow closer to God and learn the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are not under the old covenant of Moses any longer. We have the commandments burned into our hearts and offerings are no longer required or sacrifices. Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for us. We live by the New Testament and not the old.
---ashley on 5/8/07

Ashley, in addition to what Jerry said about the importance of the Law, remember it was Jesus' and Paul's habit to keep the Sabbath.

Luke 4:16
And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures
---Geoff on 5/8/07

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Ryan Z:

Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
---jerry6593 on 5/8/07

ashley: The Sabbath is one of the 10C. If the Sabbath is unimportant, then the 10C are unimportant. If the 10C are unimportant, then all of God's law is unimportant, and sin - the transgression of God's law - is also unimportant. If sin is unimportant, then so is Christ's atonement for it on the Cross. He needn't have died for something so trivial. Do you really believe that Jesus and His prime mission on earth were unimportant?
---jerry6593 on 5/8/07

ashley - the church really has no sabbath to observe (Romans 14:5-6).

We met on the 1st day of the week in accordance to that tradition established by the Apostles themselves (2 Thes. 2:15). We can see that as the Gentile church no longer observed the Sabbath by the beginning of the 2d century.

Thro some regard Sunday as a replacement for the Sabbath, technically it is not a Sabbath but a day of worship for the church.
---lee on 5/7/07

Lee: Heb 8:13 is talking about the cer/laws that were made obselete at the Cross.You still havent given my any reply on "WHAT N WHO IS THE NEW COVENANT AND WHY DID HE COME?"You know that yet your still against God's Word. Mate, your revealing your end at the end time. You dispute God's Word so much.
---jana on 5/7/07

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why argue the sabbath. the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. the Jewish nation continues to observe saturday. they reject the N.T. Jesus did everything on the first day of the week, so that is the day the christian world regards as the new sabbath. as long as you keep one day sacred, what difference does it make. Paul taught on the first, Jesus was resurrected on the first. He had his disciples work on the Jewish sabbath, proving the date of the sabbath was not important. He was.
---ashley on 5/7/07

#1 jana & Geoff, the problem that many encounter when they preach a messge of what I like to call faith plus is the New Testament directly shows the absurdity of the view. SDA's JW's Pentacostals, Catholics, and many other denominations teach a faith plus doctrine and that is why, when confronted by a true believer, it is impossible for their twisting of scripture to stand in the light of truth.
---Ryan_Z on 5/7/07

#2 jana & Geoff, Faith is the requirement, faith alone imparted righteousness to Abraham, faith alone imparts righteousness to CHritians and the faith plus doctrine of SDA's can be thrown out on the garbage heap with the rest of them.
---Ryan_Z on 5/7/07

Geoff - Adventism is build upon the premise that the early church became corrupted at the death of the last apostle & therefore they no longer observed the Sabbath.

And Adventism requests their adherents to reject the writings of the early disciples of the Apostles claiming they themselves were devoid of the Holy Spirit to guide the church.

All you have is an unsubstantiated view that the Sabbath was instituted at Creation but there is virtually nothing in the NT to support that contention.
---lee on 5/7/07

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Tough times requires tough messages. Most people will not make it to heaven. Now if this disturbs you there is nothing that I can do about that. Fussing at the few prophets that God has chosen to warn the lost sinners is not going to solve anything. If you are looking for a fake, the world is filled with them and they will preach peace, peace, unto you, and they will preach smooth things. I will not on judgment day have your blood on my hands. NO SIR.
---catherine on 5/7/07

Gerardo, I would have liked to have made this post. Thanks for doing it. Unfortunately, many are distracted or deceived about God's Holy 10 Commandment Law.

Lee, there IS NOTHING in the Bible discarding the 10 Commandments, including the 4th or the Sabbath. It was given before sin-Gen 2:2-3, Ex 20:11, Heb 4:4, and it survives sin's extinction-Is 66:22-23. It's even around after the cross-Mt 24:20; Acts 13:14, 42, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4.
---Geoff on 5/7/07

Dan - while it is true that the Sabbath is on Saturaday, there is virtually nothing in the New Testament that commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. It is strictly a law from the Old Covenant that has been declared obsolete.

Hebr. 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
---lee on 5/7/07

Lee: your anti SDA self does not get you to heaven. U sure know what is the Cer/laws and what is Moral and their use. We did not write the laws, Christ did..Christ is the Word, John1:1 made flesh John1:14. What does that mean to you Lee? He is the Word made flesh..He is the 10commandments, a transcript of His u still dispute what Bible says???Sda didnt say it..Christ did..
---jana on 5/7/07

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May I suggest that;Dr. James Dobson Focus on the Family
Jay Sekulou Chief Counsel ACLJ
Chuck Colson Prison fellowship
Rev. Jerry Falwell
Dr. D James Kennedy, Coral Ridge Ministries
+ many, many other people have failed to acknowledge that there is two covenants and that we are presently living under the grace covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Mima on 5/7/07

Almost everyone agrees that we need to uphold the 10 commandments, but the problem comes in regarding the 4th commandment, regarding the Sabbath. Using the Bible and the Bible alone, it is clear that the Sabbath is on Saturday, the 7th day of the week and not Sunday, the 1st day of the week, so why are so many christians keeping the wrong day? No where in the Bible did Jesus change the day, so I don't understand why so many christians are being mislead...
---Dan on 5/7/07

The only 'thing' nailed to the cross was JESUS - and He took our sins with Him - if we confess and repent and accept his wonderul GRACE. The seventh day SABBATH is a memorial of creation, given thousands of years before the Jews, and is still valid as a day of rest and spirituality.
---Frank on 5/2/07

SDAs are not the only ones defending God's Holy 10 Commandments.The 10 Commandments Commission, which promotes the 10 Commandments Day,states "Those who care about traditional values cannot passively sit by and watch the removal of the very principles that made this country great. The Ten Commandments are the heart of all moral code and must be restored to the heart of our society." Christians who read their Bibles understand the 10 Commandments are the moral law:Morals have not been abolished!
---Gina on 12/9/06

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It is to be noted that the law written on stony hearts would only be condemnation, leading to a Romans 7 experience of longing to be delivered from this death. Christ did take our stony hearts to the cross and vanquished death. All this that He might take away from us the hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh on which He might write His law. From Christ's words on the mount it is obvious that He didn't take away the law, but the law written on hearts of stone.
---Wayne87 on 5/13/06

Christ came, lived, died, rose again in order that He might offer salvation to every person. He comes and offers freedom--choose to remain in sin or to be made free. Thus the spirit of liberty is at the very heart of true Christianity--if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. Free to sin and reap the results, or free to have eternal life which is in His Son.
---Wayne87 on 5/13/06

Thanks Eloy. The point I was making was that true Christianity is truest freedom. It respects and will die for the freedom of others to make even the wrong choice. In other words, because of Adam's sin, all men became slaves of sin--no hope, under condemnation, no star to lighten the future.
---Wayne87 on 5/13/06

Eloy: You know better! P.
---Pierr5358 on 5/10/06

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Mima, Pierr is Law-bound as the Galatians, so hold fast to Christ and his salvation, and ignore any one who would turn you away from this in order to be bound under the curse of the Law.
---Eloy on 5/10/06

Mima: You can do better! What was blotted out?
The commandments? No! The ordinances were blotted out.
Technically they were both handwritten but c= perrmanent and o= temporary. P.
---Pierr5358 on 5/9/06

I'm sad to see the 10 Commandments removed from court houses and schools because, historically, they form a basis for our legal system and part of the American culture (Yes, there IS an AMERICAN culture, it's fading fast..that's just an aside.) Yet, it bothers me when Christians revere,almost idolize, the 10 commandments. After our Redemption by Christ, God says His laws are written on our hearts. We do not forget the 10, but we are to walk after the Spirit, free from the law of sin and death.
---Donna2277 on 5/9/06

wayne, The essence of the gospel is not freedom to even do wrong, but the essence of the gospel is freedom from sin which is found only in Christ. Christ gives noone permission to sin, but on the contrary he commands all to repent and to obey him. The constitution provides freedom "of" religion, freedom to exercise it; and not freedom "from" religion, which is illegally forbidding it.
---Eloy on 5/9/06

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Delmus - "If you love me you keep my commandments John 14:15..."

The focus on this verse is not the 10 commandments as the Greek word used is "entole" meaning the commandment of love or "teachings"; rather than "nomos" which refers to old covenant law.

If the verse referred to the keeping of law, then you will have a conflict with those verses that tell us that we are not under the law but under grace.
---lee on 5/8/06

The commandments will not pass away until the heaven and the earth pass away. Read Matthew 5:17-19 and read on. You will see what Jesus says about Commandment. He even makes it clear about the ten commandment buy using examples in the same chapter.
Next Romans 3:28 but when you read on you see that Paul says we establish the Law. Romans 3:31.
If you love me you keep my commandments John 14:15 God Bless you all.
---Delmus on 5/8/06

Jana - "the ceremonial laws were the only ones done away with at the x..."

The prohibition against lighting a fire on the Sabbath is hardly a ceremonial law.

Exodus 35:3 You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.

The Adventist argument about classifying laws into ceremonial, moral, civic, etc. is really not valid bec the Bible does not make such a classification.

Perhaps some make up their own rules and then use them to judge others.
---lee on 5/8/06

Was the ten commandments given to the human race or to just the Jewish nation?

Are all of them binding upon the church today?
---lee on 5/7/06

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Very well said, John.
---Donna2277 on 5/7/06

One of the problems with classifying laws into ceremonial, ritualistics, moral, and civic, etc. is that the Bible really does not make such categorization. mima is correct in his interpretation of Colossians 2:14.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
---lee on 5/7/06

According to the Bible, there are Ten Commandments (Exo 34:28). These are the Moral Law written in stone with God's own finger. There are handwritten ordinances written by Moses on parchment which were (figuratively) nailed to the cross, but they are not the Ten Commandments. You can't nail stone. Most Christians believe (albeit ignorantly) in only 9 commandments - omitting the Sabbath one. Catholics believe in only 8 - the second one being omitted in the Catechism.

Moderator - Bottomline you believe the only Christians are one's that go to church on Saturday? Don't dodge the question this time.
---jerry6593 on 5/7/06

Colossians 2:14 says the "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances." Question; which ordinances were hand written? The ceremonial laws or The 10 Commandments? Answer, The 10 Commandments were handwritten and the writer was no less than Almighty God himself. It seems that the ordinances that were nailed the cross with Jesus were in fact The 10 Commandments! SDA, attempts to restrict Christians with this misunderstanding.
---mima on 5/7/06

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While there are moral laws in the 10 commandments similar to what we see in other cultures, the 4th commandment is basically a ritualistic commandment given to Israel as a sign of the covenant God made only with that nation. Exodus 31;17

All the commandments are found with the New Testament save the 4th commandment which was not required of the church. (Acts 15)
---lee on 5/7/06

Moderator - What happens this weekend?

I'm a bit surprised you weren't aware. These are some of the people involved in The 10 Commandments Commission and this weekend is the first annual event. Do you recall any of these?
Dr. James Dobson Focus on the Family
Jay Sekulou Chief Counsel ACLJ
Chuck Colson Prison fellowship
Rev. Jerry Falwell
Dr. D James Kennedy, Coral Ridge Ministries
+ many, many more.

Moderator - What's the point of "their" event?
---gerardo on 5/6/06

While there are many laws, ceremonies, practices, and commands, God gave 10 commandments written on tables of stone, and placed in the sacred ark. Jesus said that these hang upon two commandments--love to God and love our fellow men; which both can be summarized by one word--LOVE. These 10 are known by a large share of the Christian world as the moral law. God also gave rules to be followed for the ceremonial system, also the civil laws for government, etc.
---Wayne87 on 5/6/06

There are more than 10 laws or commandments. There were actually 613 altogether. Jesus fulfilled them all when He was nailed to the Cross. Grace requires that we love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our self. If you choose the law over grace, then you must not break even one of the 613, because you will be breaking them all.We are justified by faith, not the law. Rom 3:28
---Debbie on 5/6/06

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The very essence of the gospel of peace is freedom--freedom to even choose to do wrong. Every time governments start favoring "relgion"--no matter the name, persecution will follow. This weekend is a real opportunity for all to examine their faith in God's word, to share Him as above all, and that the true gospel is the gospel of peace.
---Wayne87 on 5/6/06

Our constitution establishes freedom to believe or to not believe, to practice relgion or not to practice it. Because our government has more and more started to restrict the free exercise of religion, some are wanting it to promote religion. This is equally wrong. The very essence of the gospel of Christ is freedom--freedom to even choose to do wrong. Civil government is ordained by God to require certain freedoms be respected between man and man.
---Wayne87 on 5/6/06

A good number of events are planned by various church leaders in different churches emphasizing God and His law as being so important. Many do not realize that the 7th is the day enjoined by the 4th one and honestly believe they are obeying God in observing Sunday because of the resurrection. The push is to restore religion to the national political scene--the laws and practices of our government.
---Wayne87 on 5/6/06

Jana, do you attend the SDA church? No hurt is intended by me but I am asking you as I do not attend the SDA church but searching the Bible for myself, I truly find it was really Saturday that the people gathered for worshiping (even in the NT times) and the 4th commandment also refers to it. I am confused. Habit tells of Sunday and the Bible of Saturday. I'd rather go by the BIBLE.God bless u, Lizo
---Lizo on 5/6/06

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the ceremonial laws were the only ones done away with at the x...and Jesus became the New Covenant..the 10 commandments being the character of God... He/Christ became the Sacrificial Lamb that takes away our sins. no where in the bible says the 10 commands are done away...4th command day is the true biblical sabbath..not the first day of week biblical record of such.
---jana on 5/6/06

Gerardo, I don't know what it is you refer to. Is this something special in your particular church or something big that some of us have missed publicity about? Please tell us more so that we can answer you.
---M.P. on 5/6/06

I haven't heard of a special week end for the ten commandments. I think they are for every day.
---shira on 5/5/06

I don't know why so much emphasis on them. There's a much greater thing to be excited about. 11 Cor. 3:11 says " for if that which is done away is glorious, much more that which reamineth is glorious". V 10.. The law has no glory by reason of that which excelleth is more glorious. There is no reason to be paying so much attention to something of lesser quality.
---john on 5/5/06

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