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If you need a rosary to assist you with your prayers etc, then what is the Holy Spirit for?

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2- According to God's Word, Mary has never had anything to do with the salvation process.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
also, Isaiah 43:11; Hosea 13:4
---chris on 5/10/08


(Moderator - The Eucharist is pagan according to the Bible.)

If the Eucharist was pagan, why did Jesus tell us to "Do this in Memory of Me"? He COMMANDED us to eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood. The Eucharist is life-giving! (Remember John Chapter 6: "Unless you eat the flesh" "you have no life in you")
---Catherine on 5/31/06


(Moderator - The Eucharist is pagan according to the Bible.) Could you be so kind and provide me with a scripture verse..Thanks

Moderator - Please click the Bible button on the top of the interface and then take the False Tradition, False Doctrines, Cults, Paganism and Apostasy Bible Quizzes to answer that question plus many more false doctrines in the church today regardless of denomination.
---ruben on 5/25/06


-ruben: (where does Peter said that Paul's letters) Didnt I give you reference to 2 Peter 3:15,16 where peter says "in ALL his epistles". doesnt ALL include the ones in a book? I think the word all means every one of them. I know that people determined which letters were to be included in the Bible. Are you trying to tell me that some of them that were written by Paul didnt make the cut or are you speculating on what happened all the way back then. All means all.
---chris on 5/25/06


Chris-( So my point was what was Peter talking about in 2 Peter 3:15,16 when he mentions all of the elistles of paul? So I have no clue what you are talking about anymore.) Let me make it simple for you, where does Peter said that Paul's letters is going to be in a book so keep a eye for it and abide in them. There was many letters written at that time, in 397ad the councils sat together to figure out which books belong in the bible, including Paul's and Peter's letters.
---ruben on 5/24/06




ruben, appearantly i have no clue what you are talking about ruben. I thought we were debating 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" which you said isnt talking about the New Testament. So my point was what was Peter talking about in 2 Peter 3:15,16 when he mentions all of the elistles of paul? So I have no clue what you are talking about anymore.
---chris on 5/24/06


Catherine, it is a pity how confused you are.
---Okebaram on 5/24/06


Well, I haven't found a false doctrine yet in the Catholic Church (don't throw eggs please). I've certainly found many false doctrines in other religions. I left the Church as a teen and came back when I realized that God was real, He loved me, and he was present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the Eucharist. That was His promise. The Eucharist is love. The Eucharist is Jesus Himself.

Moderator - The Eucharist is pagan according to the Bible.
---Catherine on 5/24/06


I have to agree with Cole. There are so many people who criticize the Catechism of the Catholic Church, yet they do not scrutinize their own Church's teaching as man-made, when it has not been passed on from the apostles.

Moderator - The Protestant churches have their share of false doctrines also as the state of the church today is in an apostate condition. However, that doesn't negate the false doctrines that are taught by the Catholic Church.
---Catherine on 5/23/06


Eliza, it seems that you need help with the Catechism. Please seek a Roman Catholic Priest or a Catholic Theologian to help you understand what you are reading.
Just because one has a book and reads it doesn't mean that they understand it all. One may know how to add but reading a Calculus book doesn't show that they understand it all or are not in need of a teacher. Seek help, for you are missing alot.
---cole on 5/23/06




Chris-(uben- See the scripture that I just posted. Your first Pope, Peter, is telling us about the New Testament or ALL of Paul's epistles. He also said that people would "wrest" or twist them. (like you do)) Chris you got to be kidding. I guess the first Pope(Peter) said open your book to 1 Thessalonians 2:13 and lets talk about it...please.
---ruben on 5/22/06


So... you can stop saying that, the references the Bible make to scriptures dont include the new testament because it wasnt written yet. Now you see that you are incorrect.
---chris on 5/20/06


ruben- See the scripture that I just posted. Your first Pope, Peter, is telling us about the New Testament or ALL of Paul's epistles. He also said that people would "wrest" or twist them. (like you do)
---chris on 5/19/06


2 Peter 3:15,16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in ALL his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---chris on 5/19/06


Chris--ruben (all of them are pertaining in the OT) How do you know that? The scriptures that say this are in written form to, how else can we read them? Isn't it possible that the one who wrote them could be referring to his own writing as well?(No, because the New Testament was not written yet.) The early church fathers had a great way of telling what whas inspired writings and what wasnt. - last, give a reference to the scripture ( The Bible does not give a list of the canonical books of the OT,NT)
---ruben on 5/18/06


-ruben (all of them are pertaining in the OT) How do you know that? The scriptures that say this are in written form to, how else can we read them? Isn't it possible that the one who wrote them could be referring to his own writing as well? Watch - I am herby typing this text. See, I just made a mention of text before it was available for you to read. Wierd huh?
- The early church fathers had a great way of telling what whas inspired writings and what wasnt. - last, give a reference to the scripture
---chris on 5/18/06


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Chris-Many scriptures refer to the scriptures as a whole.( all of them are pertaining in the OT) The book order isnt significant, the content is.( The early church Fathers were debating among themselves to see which books belong?) Trinity: 3 divine persons in one God:1 John 5:7 So, a unchristian reads that and will say , ok there it is the trinity, ok so when he reads Eat my Flesh and drink my blood, because my flesh is real food and my drink is real drink, he should have no problem.
---ruben on 5/18/06


Many scriptures refer to the scriptures as a whole. The book order isnt significant, the content is. After all, you're church was founded on it too. Here is an example:
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Trinity: 3 divine persons in one God:
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
---chris on 5/17/06


Chris-(Where is a rosary mentioned in the bible?) Where is the Bible mention in the Bible? or the trinity? If you want to go further where does the bible provide a list of canonical books of Old and New testament?
---ruben on 5/17/06


Oh, Eliza, the Cathechism is not loaded front to back with false teaching. Why don't you simply state that you do not agree with all it says? It's the same like some of us here do not agree with all you believe.
---A_Catholic on 5/17/06


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To A Catholic and chris I have the same book and it is from front to back loaded with false doctrine. The book is called Catechism of the Catholic Church Liguori Publications Imprimi Potest Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger Interdicasterial Commission for the Catechism of the Catholic Church. copyright 1994 Libreria Editrice Vaticana
---eliza4969 on 5/17/06


Moderator asked me: "A_Catholic what state do you live in?"

When I read some of the blogs, I can say that I live in a STATE of confusion :))

Moderator - I think that is close to the State of the moderator after going through all the blogs :)
---A_Catholic on 5/17/06


I posted a Catechism quote before that shows Catholicism insists that the Lord elevated Mary to the rank of "Queen of all things." Yet, the Bible proclaims that worshipping a "Queen of heaven" provokes God to anger.
---chris on 5/17/06


A_Catholic, The Catechism gives Mary the role of savior:
"Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969
"Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494
"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Pg. 303, #1172
---chris on 5/17/06


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Ruben, it says "rather, blessed are they" he is speaking not of Mary but of all others that hear the word of God, and keep it. Where is a rosary mentioned in the bible?
---chris on 5/17/06


(Moderator - The Holy Spirit says its pagan and against the Word of God.) The Holy spirit says it ts not, nor against the Word of God.

Moderator - Then you are lead by a spirit.
---ruben on 5/17/06


Chris quotes catechism, asource used by Catholics besides the word of God. In Chris' quote is one example of many contradictions with the word. Catechism states that Mary was without sin...the word says ONLY JESUS was without sin, and also ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
---christina on 5/16/06


Ruben sorry I did not respond sooner. You yourself have said that those that have DIED in Christ, are not dead (spiritually) but are alive in Him. I agree. Still they in human body have died. That is simple and straight forward. We are NOT to speak to or pray to those who have died (bodily)
---christina on 5/16/06


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In answer to the question, 'If you need a rosary to assist you with your prayers etc, then what is the Holy Spirit for?' The Holy Spirit is needed to understand the Rosary. So,with an open and loving heart, ask the Holy Spirit to guide you without bias to the best of references from the Roman Catholic Church.

Moderator - The Holy Spirit says its pagan and against the Word of God.
---pcc on 5/16/06


Dear Moderator: It is according to Apostolic Tradition.

How do we know that Mary didn't pray on a rosary? Certainly, she has repeatedly asked us to pray the rosary according to Tradition.

Moderator - It's against the Bible. However, if one wants to follow man's ways anything can go.
---Philomena on 5/16/06


Chris- "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." Luke 11:27-28 ) Here it is , you have already mention it. Mary was the first to hear the word and obey it.. are we not suppose to do the same..follow her example...pray the rosary when you get a chance.

Moderator - No, Mary didn't pray on a Rosary.
---ruben on 5/16/06


I would recommend reading about Medjugorje. Our Lady loves us and wants us to draw closer to her Son's heart. She asks us to pray (including praying the rosary), fast, go to the sacraments, and above all, love God.

Moderator - Not according to the Bible.
---Philomena on 5/16/06


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Thanks Chris for your quotes. I checked carefully and did not find one where the Catechism states that we should worship Mary.
---A_Catholic on 5/16/06


Ruben, you said "So Jesus is saying to us all is be like my Mother." I cannot find that in the scripture. Quit reading scripture to your liking.
---chris on 5/16/06


Sorry, not above but equal. My mistake, I apologize. Still proves my point. Another one that shows she is not "number one amongst all humans"
"Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:48-50
---chris on 5/16/06


Chris said; "Jesus said those who hear and obey the Word of God are blessed above Mary."

Where did He say this? That's your interpretation. Please try reading it again with Mary being blessed because she heard the word of God and obeyed it. That was more important than just raising Jesus.
---Philomena on 5/16/06


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Chris-(A woman exalted Mary, Jesus responds: "... a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." Luke 11:27-28 )Yes, Jesus also exalted her, because she was the first to said "Let it be done to me according to thy word" So Jesus is saying to us all is be like my Mother. Quit reading scripture to your liking.
---ruben on 5/16/06


A woman exalted Mary, Jesus responds: "... a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." Luke 11:27-28 Jesus said those who hear and obey the Word of God are blessed above Mary. Did God insert this for those who choose to ignore the Word of God so they can follow church traditions? Is Christ a liar?
---chris on 5/16/06


pt2- A_Catholic, yes, she was blessed to give birth to the Son of God, but that does not make her the source of holiness. You probably shouldnt say that we commit stupidity without first reading what your Catechism actually says. Remember, that is the written doctrine of your church, whether you follow it or not. I am sorry that you felt the need to stoop to calling people stupid. I am just stating what I believe, oh... and presenting biblical quotes and quotes from Catholic doctrine for support.
---chris on 5/16/06


Catechism: "From the Church he learns the example of holiness and recognizes its model and source in the all-holy Virgin Mary..." Pg. 490, #2030
"...By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long." Pg. 124, #493
"...from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life." Pg. 128 #508 -continued
---chris on 5/16/06


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pss, the Catechism states: "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things." Pg. 252, #966
---chris on 5/16/06


A Catholic: you asked: "Jana, what has the Rosary to do with the Holy Spirit?" The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the rosary, but much to do with prayer.Rom 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.Jude 1:20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
---christina on 5/16/06


Christina-(Ruben, God most certainly is God of the living...that has nothing to do with what He commands about not speaking to or praying to the dead. Catholics pray to their patron saints, who are deceased, as well as Mary. I do know since I was raised catholic. It is forbidden to pray to anyone or thing other then God) The Bible tells us that those who have died in Christ are not dead but alive in Him. So please explain to me from Scripture how the Mary and the saints are dead?
---ruben on 5/15/06


pcc, the beads are just a tool - a counting machine and they are not worshipped or anything.

Moderator - Why would anyone need a counting machine to pray to Jesus?
---A_Catholic on 5/15/06


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2)No one here that I have read is worshipping the 'Queen of Heaven", rather honoring her as the 4th Commandment instructs us and Jesus words of Loving one another as he loves us.There is a big difference between honor and worship. As a parent I have come to appreciate my own mother much more forher love and sacrifice. And I am so grateful to the Lord for such a gift. And I am grateful to His Mother for her gift. --ps-please,send your mom a card.

Moderator - Mary isn't the Sabbath.
---pss on 5/15/06


Chris and all those who commit the same stupidity - stop saying that the Catholic WORSHIP Mary.

Moderator - A_Catholic what state do you live in?
---A_Catholic on 5/15/06


Chris, Mary is number one amongst all humans. Christ is God and He is in a class of His own.

Please don't try to distort what I said.
---A_Catholic on 5/15/06


1)I am so glad that you think better of women than 'human petri dishes'. You are correct in that she is the 'human vessel' in which our Lord, Jesus, came to us. The difference between her and the rest of us is that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit whereas the rest of us were conceived by two humans. Let us not forget that Jesus, fully human and fully Divine, was born to a woman God had chosen. What a privelegde and a responsibility for her that she did not question.
---pcc on 5/15/06


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What about the mother of Mary? I mean, she gave birth to the "Mother of God". I am just asking that you be careful following traditions of men. "As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me." Psalm 55:16 We also need to remember that the Bible proclaims that worshipping a "Queen of heaven" provokes God to anger.
Jeremiah 7:18
---chris on 5/15/06


A_Catholic, if "she's number one amongst all humans from Adam and Eve till the end of the World.", then where does Christ fit in?
---chris on 5/15/06


Sorry to get you upset pcc. Christina's phrase sounds better "human vessel", I should have prased it more like that.

I dont exhalt Mary or my own mother and higher than any other human. Do you think that our Earthly mothers will remain our mothers in Heaven? In Matt. 22:28-30 we are told that we will not be married, but on Earth marriage unites us as one flesh. Gen 2:24
---chris on 5/15/06


ACatholic, you put it very well, when you spoke of Mary.
The question on the blog...Look at the gifts of the Holy Spirit and then also realize that the beads are not necessary for prayer, just an extra way of praying.
---pcc on 5/15/06


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Jesus' Mother, Mary, was chosen by God. He could have chosen anyone from that bloodline. But He chose her. She submitted totally to God. She is important because she was chosen by the Most High, to bear our Saviour. She is impt. because of God, not because of the Catechism. The Church reaffirms that. Not all exRCC or allRCC have really studied with all their heart to understand and be knowlegdable enough to teach. But the Lord teaches us to Love...
---pcc on 5/15/06


Jesus is God, and was from the beginning. You are right Chris in saying Mary was a human vessel. Yes, righteous, but NOT the mother of God since God has no mother, just the word made flesh was born of a woman.
---Christina on 5/15/06


O My! I cannot believe that someone just referred to the Mother of God as a "human petri dish"! Is that how you feel about your own mother? Where is the Love? These blogs are beginning to sound as if there is no love for the Lord's mother! God is life and life bears life,remember the vine and the branches? Remember the Commandments? Remember"...and the greatest of these is Love"? Remember the Holy Spirit's part in this?
---pcc on 5/15/06


Alan, being "mother of the earthly body of Jesus" is a big big honor and that put Her in a very high status - number one amongst all people.
---A_Catholic on 5/15/06


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Chris, please do not oversimplify the role of Mary. She was truly the Mother of the Human person of Christ and She shared with Him the pain He went through because as a Mother, she felt for Her Son.

She is unique - she's number one amongst all humans from Adam and Eve till the end of the World.
---A_Catholic on 5/15/06


Ruben ... As I said we have been through all this before. There is no need for me to remind you what I said previously, because Chris has said all that is needed. To be God's mother, Mary would have had to be there before God and she was not.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/15/06


You bring out a good point there Ruben, Christ was in existance from the very creation. That makes it difficult for Mary to truly be his mother. She bore his human body to this earth, but he was very much alive prior to that. She was merely a human petri dish, a source of amniotic fluid. Picked because of her bloodline so that Jesus would fulfill the prophecy that he would descend from David and because she was a righteous woman.
---chris on 5/15/06


Alan-Is Jesus God? Yes or No. Elizabeth call Mary " The Mother of my Lord". Thomas says " My Lord and my God" and Jesus said If you seen the Father you have seen me. scriptures says" Behold, the virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel, which means God is with us." John 1:In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word is God. " And the Word became flesh"
---ruben on 5/15/06


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(Moderator - Nor should Christians pray to or through Issac, Jacob or Abraham.) Rev 8:3-4 "Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with prayers of all the holy ones, on the altar that was before the throne. The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hands of the angel. Read also Rev 5:8-6: 9-11.

Moderator - Those aren't scriptures telling us to pray to the dead.
---ruben on 5/15/06


Ruben, God most certainly is God of the living...that has nothing to do with what He commands about not speaking to or praying to the dead, meaning those who have died, whether or not they have eternal life. Catholics pray to their patron saints, who are deceased, as well as Mary. I do know since I was raised catholic. It is forbidden to pray to anyone or thing other then God
---christina on 5/14/06


2- Read Matthew 12:47-50 which I posted.

Jesus gave his desciples the same level of recognition as his mother. He did not exhault his mother to a higher status. Then he goes one further and states "whosoever shall do the will of my Father" is the same as his mother. So a prayer to mary is not any different than a prayer to Paul, Luke, Me, the moderator, etc. The end result is the same though... nothing.
---chris on 5/14/06


Matthew 12:47-50 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
cont.
---chris on 5/14/06


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Christina-(The word of God forbids praying to or speaking to a dead person. It is demonic ) Yes, but God is not a God of the dead, he is the God of the living. He is the God of Isacc, Jacob, Abraham. Notice these are dead people...but alive in christ.

Moderator - Nor should Christians pray to or through Issac, Jacob or Abraham.
---ruben on 5/14/06


Ruben ... we have been through all this before. What you are saying would make Mary greater than Jesus.
She was blessed to be the mother of the earthly body of Jesus. Full Stop (that's the English for "period")
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/14/06


Chris-(2- According to God's Word, Mary has never had anything to do with the salvation process ) as far as dying on the cross and forgiving sins, yes she did not play a part on that. Catholic's know that, but her yes, " Let it be done to me according to thy word" open the door for salavtion to enter....
---ruben on 5/14/06


Chris-( If you were to repeat a latin chant to satan or repeat a prayer to mary, where is the difference) Where is the difference, you got to be kidding. One is to the Mother of GOD and the other is to the Father of lies. You might want to get down on your knees and ask for forgiveness and ask our savior to have mercy on you. pray the rosary also.
---ruben on 5/14/06


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Chris-(Catechism:" intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.( It says GIFTS)" (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." (Luke 1:38," May it be done to me according to your word.")"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." Luke 3:34,"And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother,"and you yourself a sword will pierce your heart").Is this doctrine scriptural? YES
---ruben on 5/14/06


The word of God forbids praying to or speaking to a dead person. It is demonic.
---christina on 5/14/06


NV Barbara - "Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY FOR US - I REPEAT, PRAY FOR US - meaning we ask her to PRAY FOR US which means we are not idolizing Her but asking Her to pray for us to God. Throw your broken record away please.

Moderator - Dead people can't pray for you.
---A_Catholic on 5/14/06


Philomena, there is nothing wrong with you 'asking the intercession of' providing that it is Jesus that you asking to do the interceding. If you are asking anyone else they cannot hear you because they are dead. Christ is the ONLY one who can take your prayers to the Father. Even if you ask other living friends to pray FOR you they still have to take THEIR prayers for you through Jesus to the Father. There is NO other good enough.
---emg on 5/14/06


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Sorry Philomena, but it is the same thing.
You are going against what Christ taught us, can I be more blunt than that? NO ONE else has 'access' to God but Jesus Himself, no other 'intercessor' is needed and is a slap in God's face! Read your bible! As an ex RC I know precisely what is taught.
---NVBarbara on 5/13/06


We are not "praying to," we are "asking the intercession of." It is not the same thing.
---Philomena on 5/13/06


Ruben, do you not see the difference in Jesus praying to the Father, as many times as He wished, and RCs praying prayers, repetitive or not to Mary?
No matter how you cut it, if you are offering up prayers to ANYONE but God, it is idolotry and worship!
"Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death"..NOT!
---NVBarbara on 5/13/06


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