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People Before Adam And Eve

In my High school class the science teacher says people were here long before Adam and Eve. How do I respond to this?

Moderator - I would say prove it.

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Your teacher is correct in what he says about adam and eve not being first, it goes pretty deep and i won't get into it,.......---ankh on 7/15/07

Very probable there were pre-Adamites. Most doctrinals believe in a total world flood which would start everything over again from scratch. Don't even know what they seek by arguing the point. Except to build a stronger sand castle.
It is far easier to see scripturally that flood was not "global" (erets/hebrew term examples by the thousand.) Essentially,pointing to a Genesis answer.
It's said, that its much harder to unlearn than to learn. I found this true in myself and true in the fields. YAHSHUA can open to those that ask/seek/knock.
---Trav on 7/16/09


KJV-Genesis 1:28 God told Adam and Eve to 'be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.' 'Replenish' a translation of Hewbew 'male' which means 'fill', not 'refill'.

This KJV error ......---Warwick on 3/31/09
Now you say there is error in translation.

Either way...fill or refill....has no answer supporting warwick above.
Fill the land....could apply easily to Adamkind. Actually interesting point, "filling" in the midst of Cains in-laws.

You work hard to tie all your doctrinal ends but you are consistantly having to change scripture,that you protest needs none.
It is interesting to note you do use Hebrew when it's useful to ur doctrine of men.
Avoiding it with my scriptural witnesses.
---Trav on 7/16/09


Moderator answered "...prove it." I would ask how then do you prove God???
---Lane on 7/14/09


Ankh demonstrates how vital correct translation is. In the KJV-Genesis 1:28 God told Adam and Eve to 'be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.' 'Replenish' is a translation of the Hewbew 'male' which means 'fill', not 'refill'. When the KJV was translated 'replenish' simply meant fill. This is why the more modern (and in this instance more correct) translations use 'fill.'

This KJV error has lead to the non-Biblical idea that people existed before Adam & Eve.

See Mark 10:6 where Jesus said man was made at the beginning of creation. The creation being that which God made, that in which we live. This is not saying man was made at the beginning of creation week but at the beginning when our creation was made.
---Warwick on 3/31/09


Well, at least he didn't say Adam and Eve didn't exist at all. I am quite interested in this subject and have done alot of Christian and secular research. The more I study it the more questions I have. I will say this...a good place to start is to do research about the Garden of Eden, giants, "the Sons of God", and the "daughters of men". I hope this is helpful to you.
---david on 3/31/09




I agree with the moderator..God means what He says and says what He means ..LITERALLY.
---Cynthia on 7/20/07


it is true that there were people on the earth along with adam and eve,....prove it you say?....ok..in chapter 1verse 26-31 of genesis, we find god has created the heavens and the earth and man and woman and he blessed them, in chapter 2 he blesses the 7th day and rested. in verse 7 of chapter 2 we find god has formed man of the dust....now if we allow scririture to interpit scririture. let us look at genesis 13:16 and we can find out what the word dust realy means.
---john on 7/15/07


Your teacher is correct in what he says about adam and eve not being first, it goes pretty deep and i won't get into it, but for the ignorant who posted, it says right in the bible that the creator god told adam and eve to RE-POPULATE the earth implying right from his mouth that they were not the first, they only gained the garden
---ankh on 7/15/07


ashley: I suggest reading the book that you probably overlooked when studying the Bible - Job.
---Steveng on 7/8/07


Ashley you wrote 'The answer is yes and can be proved by many scriptures that we existed before we were here as spirit children of our Heavenly Father.'

Can you please tell me what Scriptures you are referring to?
---Warwick on 7/8/07




I would listen politely and respectfully to the theory. You don't have to say anything. You don't have to believe this corn either.Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Just make sure it is the truth that you are embracing. If you know the truth...it does not matter what the science teacher says.
---Robyn on 7/7/07


Steven: you asked MikeM if we were standing beside God when Jesus Christ created the Earth under the direction of his Father. The answer is yes and can be proved by many scriptures that we existed before we were here as spirit children of our Heavenly Father. It is the blind here that reject or deny the truths of the bible when they are shown to you. Many are so caught up with the vanities of men, that God's truth has become lost in the shuffle of false doctrines taught by men.
---ashley on 7/7/07


Karen what some call argument or debating I call defending the truth of Gods' Word & we Christians are commanded to do that. One example being when Jesus said- defend me before man & I will defend you before The Father.

But I also believe we are called to debate or argue just as the disciples did. Read 2 Cor. 10:4 for one example.

I think much of the ignorance of Scripture shown here is because people do not read it over & over from cover to cover.
---Warwick on 7/7/07


MikeM: "Life was created here, or brought here, that is easy to prove."

OK, MikeM, if yu believe it is easy to prove, then prove it to us. Where you actually at God's side when He created the foundations of the earth?

MikeM, when you were reading the Bible, I think you missed the book of Job.
---Steveng on 7/6/07


Be careful about debates-Christians are cautioned against that. The spirit of debate is not the spirit of Jesus. But if you have opporutnity, there may be a time and place, one on one, to let them know how you feel. :)
---Karen on 7/6/07


Rebecca; I did not rule out Adam as the first man but was speaking in reference to spiritual renewing in the Lord such as it says he sends forth his Spirit and they are created in Psalms. Which could change the meaning of a "man" as well as what "dust" really is in God's eyes. Personally, I accept Adam as the first actual man created. Sorry for the confusion.
Frank3443
---Frank on 7/6/07


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Frank; Yes it does say God created Adam to be the first man in his own image. According to Gen 2:4-8. Because in verse 7 it says And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. Then God planted a garden in Eden and put man that he created in that garden. In 1 Cor 15:45 it says that Adam was the first man that God created. 1 Tim 2:13, first Adam was formed then Eve.
---Rebecca_D on 7/6/07


'MikeM' comes here to confuse believers with his wonderful science knowledge yet he does not accept the simple truth of the Bible. One should ignore those with vain babblings.
---Molly on 5/9/06

That's right, Molly. It is the only reason he comes here. He despises Christians/fundamentals in particular. He can't stand his own family. I don't know if he even really likes himself, but he uses these blogs for a whipping post instead of therapy he needs for his troubled mind.
---James on 7/6/07


If you see Adam and Eve as a spiritual creation in Christ it is possible there were others. Since the Lord told Eve he would multiply her sorrow and conception there may have been other children born prior as well. Hence, Cain's wife. A female born prior to the fall, so to speak. It does say "God created man in his own image." Not God created the first man in his own image. Which would not contradict the first Adam being a living soul spiritually.
Frank3443
---Frank on 7/6/07


Mima, do some research & you will find the old KJV word 'replenish' meant the same as 'fill' does today, not refil. The meaning of the word has changed. God was simply saying 'fill' the earth, not 'refill.'

That's one of the problems with using a Bible with archaic English.
---Warwick on 7/5/07


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God told Adam and Eve to multiply and "replenish" the earth. Aside from all the carbon dating the word"replenish" implies that the same kind was there before and numerically declined in order for the word replenish to be meaningful.
---mima on 7/4/07


who would have occupied a city if the rest of all mankind was with Adam? I would like to refer readers to originsofnations.com. It helps to prove my point here.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


Nevertheless, the question posed is were there people on Earth before Adam....Yes, there were or Cain would have never progenated a line after he was marked and driven from the land of his father. No, he couldn't have taken a sister with him or God would have said he had. He left alone and took a wife from a people who were East of where he had left his father and then he built a city....
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


The Bible is the one and only inspired word of God. I believe it must be taken literally with the understanding that some writings are historical, some are prophetic and some things that have happened before are meant to mirror things that are yet to come.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


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The Book of Mormon is written completely by an inspired word given to one single man and leaves way too much room for speculation. The Bible is written by several authors and miraculously fits together almost seemlessly (though a few books have been weeded out by the early Catholic Church).
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


The most important piece of evidence needed to prove that Joseph Smith was a true prophet was the Golden Plates that he apparently was inspired to find somehwere in the wilderness near his boyhood home 150-200 years ago, yet these plates apparently no longer exist.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


I have taken the time to read the Book of Mormon and I believe that Joseph Smith's teachings are inspired of Satan himself and another lie meant to mislead man from his true destiny in Christ.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


I would have to believe that the Indians could not have been Israelites or this one most important covenant would have never been lost.....It is the most important part of Judaism. I
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


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This is merely my own speculation and I would welcome any information to prove or disprove this as a possible answer to the question of the indigenous peoples. LDS claims that the Indians actually originated from a group of Hebrews that fled before one of the early Israelite wars by boat. I find this hard to believe myself as the culture of the Indian was so primitive and nothing of their culture resembles the teachings of Moses - most importantly circumcision.....the covenant between God and Abraham.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


It would be easier to accept this if it weren't for the indigenous peoples of the American continent and Australia but I pose this as an answer......At one time, all land was of one mass unit....It is clear that Continental drift is still occurring. No one has proven at what rate or for how long the continents have moving away from each other but what if the peoples that are indigenous to the Americas and Australia were on the land before it moved or before it was too far to reach by boat?
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


God's word proclaims that from Noah's three sons, all the nations of the Earth would descend. It was not until the Tower of Babel, when the language was confounded that the first nation was dispersed into several. Within each language group, migrations began in all directions.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


God says that of all men Noah was the only one worthy of this task. God said the flood waters covered the whole Earth, not just part of it. Therefore if water covered the Earth for a year and noone else had a boat, how would there have been other survivors?
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


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The Giants were the fallen angels or humanoids, sinful beings causing too much sin for God's plan for man's salvation. (The Giants were merely doing Satan's will to halt God's plan for man.) Therefore it was necessary for the world to again be "destroyed" and repopulated with one pure line of Adam's seed, that which were good.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


The Earth suffered many cataclismic events prior to the Creation of Adam which emaciated this population of humanoids however they were not destroyed completely or God would not have proclaimed in his word that it was necessary for him to again destroy the Earth to rid it of the crossbreeds of Adams seed and the Giants -
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


Satan and 1/3 of the angels were cast out of heaven to the earth. They were humanoid in identity but without souls - as all angels are. They were created to serve a purpose in heaven - to edify God and when the 1/3 followed Satan, their purpose was to do his will instead of God's.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


The Earth has clearly existed for more than 6,000 years, as well as the rest of the universe or the light from most of the stars we see today wouldn't even be seen yet for their great distance from us.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


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I can only speak from what I believe as a geneologist, historian and a "Believer" of the Bible. The Bible tells me that Satan was on the Earth before Adam as a result of his fall, see the writings of the Prophet Isaiah, etc.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


Deuteronomy 19:19 tells us plainly that there are some things we just aren't meant to know....However we still continue to speculate. The Bible give many clues to unraveling some of these mysteries and though some things are literal, some things are meant as a Key or Clue to unlocking the hidden past.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


First I'll say that we are all saved through the blood of Christ, yet we still need to avoid sin whenever possible....i.e. the anger that some of you are displaying in response to others positions on this dilemna.
---Kelly_W on 7/30/06


Its clearly mentioned in the Bible that God created human being before He created Adam.. (read what he created on the 5th day)
---Antony on 7/30/06


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Tell him that God made man (Adam) in his image and from the dust of earth and blew life into him. If there were people before Adam, then Adam would not be the first Adam it would be mentioned before Adam.
---Rebecca_D on 5/19/06


Neanderthal DNA conclusivly shows them NOT related to modern man.
---MikeM on 5/14/06


Mike, Lisa's question was actually 'how do I respond to this?' Quite a number of us have made sensible suggestions how she can respond to this. Just because you do not agree with what we say does not mean that we have not answered Lisa's question. Lisa will decide personally whether one, several or none of the answers are useful to her.
---M.P. on 5/14/06


Sorry Lisa, you never got an answer.
---MikeM on 5/14/06


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And was Archbishop Ussher around when the world was created? Who made his chronology the last word in biblical archaeology and history?

That there were Neandethals is indisputable. What their relationship was to Homo sapiens has been argued for decades. Decision is not in yet.
---Jack on 5/14/06


I heard these so-called neanderthals ware all fake and I would leave any class where they tought such nonsence. Science is of man and man is limited so you should not waste time with it. Adam was first and the fosssils are of monkeys. Bishop Usher set the creation arount 4000 BC. Show that to your teacher if hs disagree you ask him if he was around when the world was created or if he can create a man!
---JasonX on 5/10/06


Debbie, if you believe that there were people before Adam and Eve how does that make Eve 'the mother of all living'. (Genesis 3:20)? Perhaps you think that verse is obsolete because the 'others' are no longer living, is that it?
---emg on 5/10/06


mikem, I have plainly answered the students question, but you have ears, and do not hear; and eyes you have, but do not see. Else you would come to the knowledge of the truth.
---Eloy on 5/10/06


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"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
(Genesis 3:4-5 KJV)
It seems that the innocent and sinless man and woman were familiar with other beings in their world known as "gods," and that Evil was lurking there (serpent) and a clear distinction had already been made between "good and evil"
---chris on 5/9/06


Something interesting I saw on TV regarding the Neanderthals

Nethanderthals and Modern Man co-existed for a time. Neanderthals had a slightly larger brain cavity than Modern man. Neanderthals woman could give birth nearly painless (due to hip configuration and oversized plumbing). Neanderthals had a brow ridge, Cain recieved a mark on his forehead and took a wife from somewhere.
Interesting even if irrelevant.
---Rob on 5/9/06


The Mod answered it about as good as anyone else could. There is no proof. DNA shows that these beings that have been found predating Adam have no genetic link with humans.
---chris on 5/9/06


'MikeM' comes here to confuse believers with his wonderful science knowledge yet he does not accept the simple truth of the Bible. One should ignore those with vain babblings.
---Molly on 5/9/06


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So this student sees, touches fossils of early man, and studies mitochondriel DNA, do rhetorical cliches' make them go away? No one has said anything that answers the students question.
---MikeM on 5/9/06


We also see that the animals were "recreated" after their kind, but man it does not say that. He was created in the after God's image, so Adam would be the first of his kind.
---chris on 5/9/06


I would tell him that recorded history in the Holy Bible dating from Henoch in the 35th Century B.C. records otherwise.
---Eloy on 5/9/06


I would tell him that recorded history in the Holy Bible dating the 35th Century B.C. records otherwise.
---Eloy on 5/9/06


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The word replenish is seen twice in all of Scripture. In Genesis 9:1, God is telling Noah to go and replenish the earth after the flood destroyed all but 8 people. In Genesis 1:28, God is telling Adam to replenish the earth. There must have been someone here that was destroyed, or God wouldn't have said replenish. Happened between Gen.1:1 & 2.
---Debbie on 5/8/06


By their transgression Satan regained control of the Kingdom, and the power of death entered full force into and upon the world of mankind. Because Adam was the appointed steward of the new world, all the creation of that new world was subjected to death through his act of disobedience.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Romans 5:12)
---chris on 5/8/06


Ok, so then Lucifer sinned after Adam?

When Adam and Eve transgressed, their "eyes were opened" (see Genesis 3:7); their innocence was lost and they died spiritually and, in due course, physically.

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." (John 9:41)
---chris on 5/8/06


We can't straddle the fence on this issue. We believe God or not. Adam was the first man.Rom.5:12 proves this. If man lived before Adam Paul was wrong. Adams sin brought death into the world nothing died before Adam sinned.
---william on 5/8/06


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Lucifer rebelled and transgressed against the Lord God and became the first created being to sin. Lucifer sinned a long time ago before Adam was even created. Every life form then present, and those that afterwards came forth across Earth's natural history, had the sentence of death upon them. Over time, the physical universe, and all things in it, eventually ran down and died (entropy). The account of the six 24-hour days of creation in the Holy Scriptures is a regeneration of the heaven and the Earth.
---chris on 5/8/06


-'Genetics, Geology and Astronomy all point to creation around 7,000 years ago'
-So neanderthals, cro-magnon, etc. were all evil soul-less beings?
- Science is vain babblings?
I must then ask what theology led to these conclusions? What Bible is being studied? Is this what a high school student should respond with to her/his class? Think about it, if one whats to evangalize, what would such answers generate in a high school class?
---MikeM on 5/8/06


All beings are spirits. Were there spirits on the Earth prior to Adam and Eve? Not fleshy spirts the same as they were.God created those vehicles as perfect means of transportation on Earth. I think the limits of the use was because of sin.
---Rev._Mr.P on 5/8/06


mima, I am almost in agreement with you, except I lean toward the angels being the inhabitants. Satan's fall being the catalyst that caused their disappearance similarly to Adam's sin.
---chris on 5/8/06


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One possibility to present to your class is to propose, "Why CAN'T we allow for the possibility that God acted in history, and prehistory? why does evolution presuppose an atheistic universe without a supernatural design/designer? Most mainstream denominations accept the scientific conclusions, so ask, does evolution in any way factor God out of creation? (In high school I was a 'pill' BOTH to my atheistic teachers, and the religious ones.)
---MikeM on 5/8/06


Adam WAS the first man. Science has its place but it cannot possibly pretend to have all the answers. The bible also warns us to avoid oppositions of science

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
---Christina_Lovett on 5/8/06


First let me state that I believe it in the story of creation as stated in the Bible! I also believe Adam had the breath of life breathed into him and he became a living soul. Next I want to state that these beings before Adam never had a soul. It is my belief that they make up the lesser(soldier type) demons in existence today this is the reason they desire to occupy a person with a living soul today. I believe satan captured these beings when he fell to Earth.
---mima on 5/8/06


I learned not to debate this, as people with presupppositions always bail. Adam was the first covenented man. Man was clearly on this earth, in North America alone for at least 25,000 years. science does not need conflict with scripture,the idiosyncratic belief saying 'earth is only 10,000 years, no one before Adam' represent a small portion of Christians. The same science confirming natural selections confirms life did not come from nothing. Life was created here, or brought here, that is easy to prove.
---MikeM on 5/8/06


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Brent, that is because you are reading from the NIV, which also calls Satan the Morning Star in Isaiah 14:12 which confuses many Christians because Jesus is the Morning Star.
They were to replenish the earth in like manner as Noah was instructed. We do not learn how or why, but it gives creedence to the idea that there was prior existance. Similarly, the creatures live on the Earth today were modeled after the same pattern of living things that were alive before (after their kind).
---chris on 5/8/06


My version of the Bible doesn't say Replenish the earth, it says Be fruitful and increase in number, fill the earth and subdue it. Adam and Eve were the first human creation. I would also say, be careful about taking the "morning and evening were the _____ day." to be mean more than a literal, 24 hour day. The Hebrew word translated means DAY, not eon, or long time expanse. Why limit God to having to create in thousands of years rather than speaking it into existance?
---Brent on 5/8/06


Many Christians also believe this, it is based on the gap theroy. A gap between Gen. 1: and Gen. 1:2. Howevery the bible teaches that death was caused by the sin of Adam. That being the case, where are the people before Adam since they could not die?
---Rev_Herb on 5/8/06


Some people will work back through the Bible to prove when Adam and Eve may have lived. But hereditary lines can skip many generations and much time. Just as the days of the creation could be many thousands of years (a day is as a thousand years) or aeons, so the creation of Adam and Eve (whether you take them as a literal couple or representative of mankind) refers to the very beginning of God's creation without reference to any specific time.
---David on 5/8/06


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Your teacher is an evolutionist and I have many questions for him. Genetics, Geology and Astronomy all point to creation around 7,000 years ago.
---David on 5/8/06


You could try asking him, politely, where he gets his information from and then try to tell him about the source of your information. This is not easy in a school setting because he might try to belittle you and he will possibly have the majority of students agreeing with him also. Pray about it before you embark on anything and let God guide you as to what to say in response to whatever the teacher says. Don't expect to be able to do it all in one session, it might be little by little over a long period.
---M.P. on 5/8/06


This is simply not true. Satan was before Adam and Eve but he was not a Human. Adam and Eve were the first Humans ever created. I would repond to these people with another question. Where is your proof?
---lorno5378 on 5/8/06


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