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Christians Live During Tribulation

Will we go through the great tribulation?

Moderator - Going against the popular teachings of today, I believe Christians will go through some part of the Great Tribulation, but not during God's judgement period.

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there is no reference to the spirit being removed(assumption) and that would mean no one could be saved if that was the case
michael is called the "prince of thy people", and is taken out of the way (michael shall stand up), and then there will be great distress (daniel)
he casts out satan from heaven and then the beast rises
michael is the restrainer
as for the coming of the lord and catching away - it's the same thing
1thess - we who are alive and remain until the "coming of the lord" (not catching away)
you can see here the lord comes first, the dead rise , and then the catching up of those alive
you cannot seperate the coming, and the catching up
---glen on 4/25/10

some keep assuming that coming of the lord means he comes stright to earth physically on the ground

the literal rendering is "presence of the lord"

and the verse pre tribbers use mainly is in 1 thess

we who are alive and remain until the presence of the lord (coming of the lord)

yet say that coming of the lord is not pretrib

yet another contradiction

answer this
is the "coming of the lord" in 1 thess pre or post trib?
if you answer pre trib then why everywhere else is it post trib?
---glen on 4/25/10

-Destruction of Russia
-Rise of 10 kingdoms out of the old Roman E.
-Rise of Anti Christ world ruler
-Rapture of the church
-7 trumpets, wrath of God
-Battle of Armageddon
-Satan loosed for a little season
-Great white throne Judgement
-Heaven or lake of fire
---Nina on 4/24/10

glen, you are mixing two events together. Elijah and even Paul was raptured. Noah is a type of it also. When the Holy Spirit is removed from this earth the Church age Saints will be removed with Him. Satan will have his limited free reign.
You must remember that Matt 24 is all about the Second Coming not the calling out of the Church. Again you must also take in account the Bema Judgement. If the Church age Saints are not removed there is no place provided for this Judgement.
The Matt 24 question was what is the sign of your coming not rapture/catching away. Jesus does not come back to earth in the Rapture. He comes back at the Second Coming. His birth was the first coming. After His resurrection He also was caught up/raptured/ascended.
---Elder on 4/24/10

the sign of christs coming is in the 6th seal and described in matt 24

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven
this is described AFTER the AOD, and tribulation

this is tied to the end of the church age

"end of the age" is more literal than "world"

you answered the question of the *day and hour* rapture of the church and the answer you gave was in matt 24, which you claim isn't the rapture of the church.

and what rapture already happens at or before matt 24:3?

all it says is what question they ask jesus, and he proceeds to tell them the events that happen before matt 24:3
---glen on 4/24/10

what rapture is described before matt 24?
jesus does not describe one before this

you answered my question about the unknown day and hour of the rapture of the church, and pointed out matt 24:36
yet claim that this is not the rapture of the church
contradiction there

the 2nd coming and catching away are the same thing

you seem to forget 1 thess 4, and 2 thess

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the *coming of the Lord* shall not prevent them which are asleep.

As to the *coming of our Lord* Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him
---glen on 4/24/10

the *presence of the lord* - and the *gathering* mentioned in 2 thess are the same event not seperate

1THESS 4:15 for this to you we say in the word of the Lord, that we who are living -- who do remain over to the *presence of the Lord*

and is the same as 2 thess

2THESS 2:1 And we ask you, brethren, in regard to the *presence of our Lord* Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him,

let no one deceive you by any means because *that day* (which is the *presence of the lord* AND our *gathering together*)
will not come until the falling away comes first and the antichrist is revealed

the presence of the lord and gathering cannot be seperated

---glen on 4/23/10

Glen, the church is NOT the Elect. Matthew 24 is NOT about the Rapture.
Jesus was asked by His disciples, "What is the sign of thy coming and the end of the world?" See Matt 24:3. There have all ready been some rapture events.
Matt 24:36-44 answers your time/hour question.
If the church is the elect, please tell me who the generation is spoke of in Matt 24:34. Didn't all of the disciples die? Is this statement by Jesus an error?
The Second Coming is NOT secret. Every eye shall see. The catching away is revealed also. It is revealed for all to see if they want to.
Why doesn't someone answer the question that if there is no catching away where/when does the Bema judgement take place? Do you even know what it is?
---Elder on 4/23/10

thats right samuel

the coming of the lord and the gathering in 2 thess are the same day and event

and where else is the coming of the lord mentioned?

1 thess 4 - we who remain until the coming of the lord

let no one deceive by any means for that day (coming of the lord and gathering), will not come until the falling away and man of sin is revealed

the coming of the lord and gathering is AFTER the falling away (rebellion, departure from the faith)
---glen on 4/23/10

The Rapture is the Second coming of JESUS CHRIST. Those who teach a secret coming are actully ending up with four comings or more depending on their system. But there is only one Second Coming. Rev. 1:7 Matt.24.

I have yet to see one verse that says the second coming will be invisible silent and that the church is not the elect.

Anyone read Matthew 5
---Samuel on 4/23/10

Daniel 12:1.. and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

Because there are only TWO resurrection, and this text places the tribulation before the resurrection to everlasting life, we can conclude that the church will go through the tribulation.
---francis on 4/23/10


what is jesus speaking of when he says we do not know the day or the hour?
---glen on 4/23/10

i'll rephrase my question
where in the bible does it say no one knows the day or hour of the rapture of the church?
---glen on 4/23/10

Remember this, The Church/Bride is not the Elect.
There are Christians in the Tribulation because they get Saved in the Tribulation. But, they are NOT the Church!!
---Elder on 4/23/10

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12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood,

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

also matthew 24

29*Immediately after the tribulation* of those days shall *the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:*

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
---glen on 4/22/10

after the catching up (unknown time because jesus will cut the tribulation short), the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins
---glen on 4/22/10

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yes most christians will go through it and be resurrected/raptured during the 6th seal, before the trumpets are blown
---glen on 4/21/10

A wax seal was used to hold scrolls closed in ancient times. The scroll that Jesus opens has seven seals on it, and the scroll is not open while one or more seals are still affixed to it. Also, the seals usually have nothing to do with the actual message of the scroll and should not be considered part of the scroll.

Therefore, any rapture that occurs as part of the sixth seal is Pre-Tribulation. The seals are not the Tribulation, but precursors to it.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/22/10

yes most christians will go through it and be resurrected/raptured during the 6th seal, before the trumpets are blown

this is NOT mid trib, it is sometime during the 42 months of the beasts reign (day and hour unknown)

the AOD comes first followed by the sun,moon darkening and the stars falling, then the saints are taken by christ, before he pours out his wrath

the 2 witnesses will be resurrected at the 6th trumpet, and a remnant will go through the vial judgments but not be destroyed, but populate the millenium in they're mortal bodies
---glen on 4/21/10

Christians will go through the great tribulation, but not recieve the vial judgments.

Biblcal history supports this:
Noah was saved in the ark, he was not taken away during the flood.

the Children of Israel were all in Egypt during the plagues, yet they were speared from the plague.

In like manner the church will go through the tribulation, but will be protected from the vial judgments.
---francis on 4/9/10

(antichrist)someome or something that denounces christ in the world we live in to today there is one religion that acctually professes jesus is not the savior and that is islam. in order to be in the islamic salvation theres a time when u stand befor fellow islams and profess jesus is not the lord and savior. revaltioin is for the time we are very close to many scriptures say jesus will come back immediately after trib brothers and sisters seek GOD first and knowledge will come as jesus inlightens u ur mind is the battle ground
---jason_fuchs on 1/21/10

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1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, ---EVEN NOW--- are there many ---ANTICHRISTS---, whereby we know that it is the ---THE LAST TIME---.

1 John 2:19 ---THEY WENT OUT FROM US---, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

John ---6:66--- From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
---exzucuh on 1/6/10

You people who base your whole religion on revelation, I wonder if you have ever read in revelation that it was to the seven churches in Asia. And would come to pass quickly. There were more churches in the world than just the seven churches in Asia. So why do you apply their prophecies to your age that you live in because the prophecy was to them not you and had to be fulfilled in their Age or it would not have been true. What Good is a prophecy to someone that they do not see come to pass.
A prophecy to someone is to prove that God is right and you are not. Or to prove Gods judgment. The prophecy proves nothing if it was to them and it comes to pass for you.
---exzucuh on 1/3/10

I am a mid-trib person also. After about the 5th or 6th chapter of REV. the church is no longer mentioned and I believe that is during the middle of trib. I used to be pre-trib until I really studied it.
---angea4937 on 1/2/10

doesnt everybody go through some sort of tribulation to get to GOD or if they were lucky enough to be raised by there parents with GOD dont they go through some sort of self made tribulation in there walk with GOD, isnt that what shapes you into the person you are your own failed attempts, to altimatly realize you must just follow GOD, listen to GOD, be obident to GOD to be fully happy, joyful, wise, see your perpose as human being being unvailed to you as you walk in his will and not yours.
---jason on 1/2/10

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People today are all frogs they believe the frog doctrine. The frog doctrine affects them like putting a bullfrog in a pan of water. If the water is hot the frog will jump out. but if you put him in cold water and gradually turn up the heat, he being cold blooded, his body temperature regulates with the water and he will set in the water till he boils to death. You are in tribulation and are sitting like boiling frogs.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
---exzucuh on 1/2/10

thank you i have been baptized in the spirit and am now working on forgiveness, selflessness, and obidenence to GOD'S voice inside me, sometime i confuse my own voice with his. thank you for your words of wisdom
---jason on 1/1/10

(second part) the bible says you must forgive to gain forgiveness therefore i am begining to seek the face of the lord to give me the strenght and curage to forgive. in a perfect world if someone does you wrong and you trully forgive them and ask GOD to lift there judgement for there sin against you they are nolonger in the wrong and you yourself can be forgiven by GOD, that also means thats one less slach or beating jesus had to get before he was crusified (continued)
---jason on 1/1/10

(third part) now i know that had nothing to do with this blog just felt some needed to hear it. As far as your blog subject if all will go to youtube and CAREFULLY watch all parts of "daniel's timeline" your blog would change from what you believe to what you should do to prepare GOD is comming and i believe the tribulation has allready begun. please know the first couple parts of daniel's time line is alittle boring but it is showing hebrew definitions and scripture to back up the message when you get to the message your jaw will be dropping. all parts will take about a hour and a half to watch. (continued)
---jason on 1/1/10

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---jason on 1/1/10 Yes Jason you need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit You receive power as you get more of God's Spirit to help you over come your flesh and receive divine revelation in the scripture to know the truth.
You will receive gifts of the Spirit as God sees fit to empower you but you must realize that you already have the Holy Spirit inside of you The baptism of the Holy Spirit is you being immersed in the Holy spirit and having him on the outside.
---exzucuh on 1/1/10

hello everybody my name is jason and i am new to the lord well a new start with the lord i have a comment to share with everybody hear about my walk with GOD. i have recently been enlightened by GOD about being saved in GODS word we must belive jesus died for our sins and rose profess that before man be baptized by water and repent (change our mind turn from sin) but the kicker is i realize theres more to it GOD also said we need to be batized by the holy spirt and the thing i am working on now is forgiveness (continued)
---jason on 1/1/10

Learn the definition of metaphor. Metaphors are the language of the Spirit. If you take metaphors and interpret them literally you will have false doctrine. Jesus said go into your closet to pray. He was using a metaphor to give you the correct method of prayer. Saying to not pray just to be heard of men. But be real in your prayer life. He did not mean to literally go into your closet.
Stop believing manipulated scriptures that men have used to create fairytale doctrines. There is no doctrine of the great tribulation. There is only tribulation and it will always be upon the earth.

Acts 14:22 and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
---exzucuh on 9/4/09

Some Christians will also go thru the "great tribulation" of Israel. Specifically, 144,000 Jewish believers. They endure the time of wrath because of the special seal of God upon them. Hence, Christians will be on the earth before the pre-trib rapture, after the rapture (during the trib.) and also during the time of wrath right up until Jesus returns to Olivet. Will WE go through the tribulation?? Not if we're ready to face what's coming upon the whole world. Otherwise, yes. It's good to remember that Daniel did not waver when the test came. He refused the king's edict and for 30 days he worshipped as he always had. How many Christians today would gladly give up their daily devotions for just 30 days? Foolish??
---Scott on 8/28/09

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There is a "great tribulation" for the church, and a "great tribulation" for Israel. The saints who go through the great tribulation of the church are made up of those Christians who were not ready to occupy heaven at the time of the (pre-trib) rapture. The tribulation will purify them and make them ready. Other "tribulation saints" will be those who are saved during this time. Therefore, like the five foolish virgins, many Christians who are not ready will go through the "great tribulation
---Scott on 8/28/09

There is a "great tribulation" for the church, and a "great tribulation" for Israel. The saints who go through the great tribulation of the church are made up of those Christians who were not ready to occupy heaven at the time of the (pre-trib) rapture. The tribulation will purify them and make them ready. Other "tribulation saints" will be those who are saved during this time. Therefore, like the five foolish virgins, many Christians who are not ready will go through the "great tribulation".
---Scott on 8/28/09

Stop looking for the Antichrist, the tribulation and the Rapture. Jesus sent two Angels to the 500 that stood waiting for his return after he ascended and asked them Why stand ye here gazing up?, get about the business that Jesus left you to do. Jesus will return just as he left, but it is possible he will return for some of you today, Will he find faith in you to believe his word, or you walking in the Spirit, Are you the temple of God and have you come out to be separate not joining yourself to sinners and ideas of the world. Have you taken up your cross or do your lips praise him but your heart is far from him.
There are more important matters than doctrines you cannot prove. Hold to what you can prove.
---exzucuh on 8/23/09

I would like to point out that Christians can live on earth and not suffer the wrath of GOD. Remeber that the wrath of GOD fell on Egypt while Israel did not suffer the wrath of GOD.

The point about many interpretations is true. My main concern is that many will fall for the Antichrist's lies because they believe they do not have to worry about him.
---Samuel on 8/21/09

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>>>>I would love to hear how you link your Scriptures together to prove that Rev. 6:17 is not the start of God's wrath when it so clearly says that it is<<<

I never said it isn't!
But WHEN this occurs is open to debate. (I think we've been over this before).

Some take the point of view of a church undergoing persecution in the future from the antichrist... but the timing of the wrath of God varies from one prophesy "expert" to another.

Some see the book of Revelation as a history of the church. Some see it as the history of Israel.The preterist sees how Revelation explains the persecution under the Roman empire.

We don't know for sure. it's a matter of interpretation.
---Donna66 on 8/20/09


I would love to hear how you link your Scriptures together to prove that Rev. 6:17 is not the start of God's wrath when it so clearly says that it is.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/20/09

Mark Eaton--

I respectfully submit that what you say is your interpretation (just as my post was mine) End-time prophesy scriptures can be linked in a variety of ways. No one can know for sure because the Bible does not make it clear.
---Donna66 on 8/19/09


I think you have the sequence of the events in the Tribulation a little askew.

You said and I agree that we (believers) are not destined for the wrath of God but you said the first part of the Trbulation using the Mark of the Beast as an example.

The wrath of God starts much earlier than that.

Rev 6:17 "for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?".

Everything that follows the Seals is the wrath of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/19/09

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Giselle and others ---I agree with the moderator. The tribulation (at least the first part) is NOT the wrath of God poured out upon Christians (whom Scripture says are not destined for wrath.) It cannot be, because the ones who suffer are those who refuse the mark of the beast, remaining faithful to God. Satan is the one who is
---Donna66 on 8/18/09

The tribulation spoken of is unlike anything that Christiandom has ever witnessed.It concerns the elected people,and God's wrath upon them.God tells us that the NT churches have fallen and are idolatrous.The elect have participated in this lewdness when we should have known better.We must now pay recompense.God has given the NT churches over to Satan,where he now sits and is worshipped as God.The elect have been commanded by God to leave these NT churches,never to return.The people of God now wait in the wilderness,chastised of God.God has removed His Spirit from the NT churches and has stripped the elected people of the power of the Gospel.Salvation has been closed forevermore.The churches have twisted the Word of God to suit their needs.
---Giselle on 8/18/09

Please look at MATTHEW 24 again in chronological order-the elect is us-going through much suffering-After the suffering is 6th sign-JESUS apearing to get us. it's called post tribulation rapture from His word.

In Revelations-the dragon goes after the womans children-Christians.

Another "inset" refers-to them coming out of great tribulation

"Fleeing" Israel goes to Bozrah. Maybe we might have to go to Israel if persecution..

Put in chronological order -Bible.
---yochanon on 3/22/08

#5 If we do not listen to His voice today in smaller matters, how shall we ever hear that particular "shout of command" to be raised or translated? The second order or rank will be called out before the middle of the tribulation. There will still be those that will be saved during this period and they may go through more of the tribulation. The seven churches of Revelation 2,3 reveal the ranks in the body of Christ.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

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#6 The Philadelphia Church are those that are alive at the time of His return in I Thes. The Smyrna church are those that have passed on in this glorious group, which meet up with those that are alive and together, they make up the first group, or the Sun glory group. The Pergamos and the Sardis Churches make up the 2nd group or rank which is the moon glory group, the 3rd rank or order will be the 144,000 and the 4th will come out of the Laodicean Church, they will go through much of the tribulation.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

#1 There are some believers that will go through some of the tribulation and there is a small group that will be taken out prior to the tribulation. " I Cor. 15:22, 23 - The word "order" is from the Greek word, "tasso," meaning, "to arrange, put in order, draw up in line," and is translated "corps, division, band, rank, cohort." "All made alive," but not made alive in only one group, but each in his own band, or rank."
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

#2 This has to mean different, distinct companies, or it is meaningless. Distinction is made IN the resurrection, not afterwards. Saints will be raised in different grades, because they are in different companies before they die. The majority of believers are carnal, few are really spiritual. It has truly been said, "Saints are finding their ranks now." People determine their respective orders by the way they live here.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

#3 "As all die in Adam" (but they do not all die at the same moment), "so all in Christ shall be made alive" (but not necessarily all in the same moment). "Christ the first-fruit," over 2000 years ago, "afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." The phrase, "at His coming," literally means, "in the presence of Him," which covers a period of time extending from the moment He takes His throne in the air until the end of the Millennium.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

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#4 During the early part of that "presence", the saints will be raised in different companies, and the dead and living saints in the same order or rank will be changed and caught up to meet Christ in the air when He shall call with a "shout of command" at the sound of the 1st trump. The first order or rank will be called out 30 days prior to the beginning of the tribulation period.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/21/08

The pathetic, apathetic Laodicean church will be caught off guard.
I recommend Marv Rosenthal's "Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" book.
Many believers ARE preparing spiritually, financially, and physically. Food, supplies, small home groups, QUIETLY preparing.
Pray about what the Lord would have you do to prepare, not that we should survive it but that God will be able to USE US through it.
On April 2008, the world population, "the number of man" will be 6,666,666,666.
---Mary_Kay on 3/21/08

I believe we will definitely go through the great tribulation.I Thessalonians 4:13-17 tells us "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice if the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first."
17, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
---IBIA on 10/26/07

Jesus stated that when you see rumours of wars and earthquakes in various places these are the begining of sorrows but the end has not come yet. We will go through the birth pains or the contractions of the tribulation but we will not go through the birth of it because the Holy Spriit or the church will be taken up.
---Marcia on 7/6/07

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The terms 7th trumpet and last trump make it pretty clear that the Lord shall return after the tribulation. During it all who have been deceiving and deceived shall fall away because they weren't prepared by the false prophets they trusted. The worst form of deceit is when they find they deceived themselves to think they were saved only to find out they didn't have faith to diligently seek the truth which could have sanctified them as Jesus said. Many need to repent and be led of the Spirit.
---Frank on 7/6/07

At this time this is what I will add: When God takes all His people out of this world, the Holy Spirit will go, and you do not want to be here. This is for certain.
---catherine on 7/5/07

I agree with Moderator. Here's why. If God removes all of the TRUE Christians, then the Holy Spirit goes with us, right? Because HE abides in us, and if we go, HE goes, amen? So who will be here to witness to the ones left behind?
---Donna9759 on 7/5/07

If I am here when the Rapture takes place, I think that it will be so much fun. Just think, The Power of God, That I am learning to respect in all it's magnificency. We will see it. Oh WOW.
---catherine on 2/18/07

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people don't forget that scripture is not always literal,a lot of scripture is spiritual and symbolic.hence Jesus'teaching thru parables.these parables are both literal and spiritual so see what the rapture says spiritually,what spiritual symbol are the 2witnesses and the 144thousand and so on.Pray and study for yourself,don't always take someone elses interpretation as truth,check it out for yourself
---chestnut_burr on 2/18/07

I think that the argument about the "when we are raptured" is fruitless. We as christians should be trying to reach as many unsaved people with the Good News as we can! We should be trying to set up or leave a support network for those who accept Christ during the tribulation. Of course the Lord will guide them, there will be the two witnessess and the 144000 jewish converts that will reach millions yet they will still need whatever aid we can leave them.
---R._Smith on 2/18/07

jan thats exactly what the bible says these other people are believeing a man made doctrine.
---exzucuh on 6/8/06

My understanding is that those who have accepted Christ before the trib will be raptured. Those who then get saved will suffer. The 7 years only refers to the length of the treaty, NOT the time from the rapture until His return.
---Anna on 6/8/06

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the word states that all christians go through some kind of tribulation by which we enter the kingdom of God,Knowing that my fellow christians have suffered death and torture in the centuries before me and they were not delivered from such tribulation, I will not preach some wimpy escapism doctrine, that is believed by those who have no backbone to stand as a witness for Christ in that day that he said would come when our Father would speak through us to our accusers.
---exzucuh on 6/7/06

I would appreciate if any of you can compel me to believe that we are going to Heaven to be with JESUS. I am of the belief that JESUS will come down thru the clouds,we will be taken up to meet HIM, HE will bring the NEW Jerusalum down and HE will establish HIS Kingdom where we will reign with HIM right here for eternity. Unless we are whisked away to a safe place we will go thru the Tribulation period,pray that you have what it takes to be strong in your faith and your SAVIOR when that time comes.
---Jan on 6/7/06

My belief is no, if you are truly born again you will not.paul states without a doubt that we will be caught up in the air with him and will forever be with the lord.
---tom2 on 6/7/06

To all, Jesus said no one knows the time of his return. If you believe in pre-trib rapture and if it is correct that christians leave this world 7 years prior to Jesus's return then is it not 7 years notice to all left behind of his return. I say again, only God knows when Jesus will return.
---Thomas_D. on 5/31/06

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While the Holy Spirit is resident in the believer this verse makes it clear that He is active in the world at large.

2 Thessalonians 2:7, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

NOTE: The word letteth is a translation of the Greek "katecho" - to hold back. This is one of those words that had a different meaning in King James language compared to to day.
---Bruce5656 on 5/17/06

Though not popular here, I believe a period of grace was given the Jews, then Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years died, resurected, and raptured after which was tribulation of the remaining believers. I see a repeat in the same order for the world. Our grace will end with our Rapture, Moses/Elijah will preach 3 1/2 years to the Jews those converted will rapture then comes the great tribulation.
---mikefl on 5/13/06

Tommy, there is no scriptural evidence that the Church will be removed during the Tribulation.

Moderator - At some point during the Great Tribulation, the Body of Christ is Raptured or they will be beheaded.
---Jack on 5/13/06

We, as christians will be delivered out of the Great Tribulation, and taken to Heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. The Holy Spirit will then return to the type of ministry He performed in the Old Testament times, visiting individual people as needed, but, not being a direct influence on the world at large. When we get to heaven, the promise of the Lord will be fulfilled in that we will be with Him continually, and the Spirit will be free to do other things. IMO
---tommy3007 on 5/13/06

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Donna9759 we always go to the written Word of God to establish if man is telling the Truth or not. We search the Scriptures. It is the Scriptures that are true. We are allowed by God to proclaim the message He has written.
Gospel tracts are placed where people can read them. Some do and get Saved. No Christian is around to lead them.
It is God's Truth that leads to Salvation even if it is spoken by a donkey.
---Elder on 5/13/06

I believe Elder is correct, just because the Spirit is in us, you have to remember the Holy Spirit is Spirit and is not restricted by space or time, He is everywhere and could work upon the people, as in the Old Testement. His nature is Omnipresent, all places at the same time. God's grace always abounds. From the first to the last for He is Sovereign.
---Lupe2618 on 5/12/06

Elder, while I have deeply respected your posts, I have to disagree with you. The Holy Spirit dwells in Temples and WE are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, not books, not CD's, not notes, etc., Where is the scripture reference that 2 will evangelize the 144,000?
---Donna9759 on 5/12/06

We will have to go through the great tribulation. Take courage not one hair on the head of us who know and embrace the truth and share this truth falls to the ground, (luke 21:18). For in our patience we provide for our souls verse 19. Watch and pray always, that you may be counted worthy to escape (shun the origin of the cares of this life, the deceiver) and all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Lk 21:36). The Lord does not return until the seventh trump sounds.
---josef on 5/12/06

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We will know the TRUTH before to long, won't we?
---Debbie on 5/11/06

The Church will be on earth during the tribulation.
---Jack on 5/11/06

I believe there are ranks in the resurrection. The Bride, full-overcomers, Smyrna and Phildelphia Churches of Revelation, will go out before the tribulation begins. The second rank, the Pergamos and Sardis Churches will go during the first 3 1/2 years. The third rank will also be out by the middle of the week. There are those in the Thyatira & Laocicean Churches that will either be martyred or preserved during the tribulation.
---Debbie on 5/11/06

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