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What Is The End-Time Lie

In 2 Thessalonians 2:11 What is the lie?

Moderator - This chapter is in reference to the Anti-Christ being revealed and the majority of people that are calling themselves Christians are truly the apostate church. Most Christians are attending apostate churches every week, listening to apostate TV and radio programming, yet are being deluded into believing its Christian and that they are Christian. However, it's the so called Christian church which will support and bring the Anti-Christ into power.

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I stand in agreement with jack. This is the message of Rev. 12:14. that was initiated in Rev. 12:6. And it is this message that invites the deception of The spurious messiah. Who will take full advantage of it.
---Josef on 12/19/07


One of the biggest lie is that the 10 COMMANDMENTS OF GOD IS NOT VALID ANYMORE when it does as the Bible so say. Look at it being taken out of court rooms etc etc etc. Many on this forum are deceived by false teachings that Christ is done away as it is an Old Testament...which no longer exist.
---jana on 4/30/07


The real end time lie is not about when the rapture will take place. Jesus will come when he wants to come (behold it is a mystery). The real lie is that people think they can treat people any kind of way or live any kind of way and still make it in.
---Valerie on 4/26/07


The lie is that Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation.

"One saved always saved! What, me worry? Gonna go up in the rapture. Got peace and safety."

But when they say, "Peace and safety!" the sudden destruction shall come upon them, and they SHALL NOT ESCAPE!
---Jack on 4/26/07


I would like to add that truth stated by Exzucuh. Another major deception which gives strength to the Antichrist through the beast of denominational religion is found in Eze. 13:18-23. A deceptive doctrine that is fed to the church from the mouth of those under the influence of the spirits of antichrist. Inspiration that is so subtile most are unaware of its presence. It is a place prepared of God for those that take pleasure in the unrighteousness. Rev. 12:4,6
---Josef on 6/9/06




I agree 100% Exzucuh. This is all a part of the religious beast of revelation. And those of us who are aware must make it known.
---Josef on 6/9/06


The power of Anti-Christ is his doctrine his Strength is in the numbers of people who follow his word his power comes from misuse of authority given to servants of Jesus they are decieved to believe that Good is evil and evil is good,Judas is an example of this, he preached,healed the sick,and betrayed Jesus thinking his evil idea was good.
---exzucuh on 6/9/06


Part 7. Most will be caught off guard by the sudden miraculous appearance of the Antichrist and will not only desire to go out to meet him, but will also question their interpretation of the biblical account of the second coming of Christ. (Lk. 17:34-37 - Rev. 10:1). Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his lord has ordained messenger to His children to give to them meat in due season. Blessed is that servant, whom the lord when he comes shall find so doing.
---Josef on 6/9/06


Part 6. During this time of deception they will believe that they actually doing their brother, sister, parents and the Father a favor by delivering them up (convincing through persuasion) to death or removing them from their mist. (Jn.16:2,3). We are admonished to be watchful and alert. For if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come he would not have allowed his house to be broken up. Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06


Part 5. to get on board or stand the chance of missing the rapture. (Lk. 17:22,23,33). Then comes the great tribulation. The Christ imitator that has been cast from heaven and disguised himself as an angel of light and stands in the temple of God claiming to be God, but in actuality is death or separation from the Father for the believer. (Dan. 12:1 - Rev. 12:7-9 - 2 Thes. 2:4 - 2 Cor.11:14). And eventually brothers will rise an will deliver one another up bow before this spurious messiah. Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06




Part 4. we will recognize that the deception is subtle and in the process of accomplishing its task, the love of man is growing cold, some who profess to be Christ followers have grown complacent. Eventually there will be pressures from the governing bodies of denominational religions to unite under a given precept. (Rev. 3:15-19 - Mat. 24:13). Fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters through a desire to be taken away from the proclaimed pending wrath of God will be attempting to convince one another Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06


Part 3. The tribulation that we are facing today is a result of denominational religion. Various concepts, precepts, false doctrines and traditions of man that make the Word of God ineffective In the lives of its members. It is this famine that constitutes the famine of the end times. (Amos. 8:11). Divisions which lead to controversy, discord, arguing, even contempt among brothers and sisters in Christ. (Mat. 24:6,7-Rev. 6:2-4). If we awake to the truth concerning these times, Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06


Part 2. however the physical hardships that we face today or will ever face in this generation will never compare to the hardships faced by the founding church. History has shown very clearly that man has overcome the harshest of hardships during this dispensation. Through it all man has shown his resilience, his ability to overcome on a physical level. Therefore Satan has gradually changed his strategy to make way for his most effective deception. Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06


I would like to address what I believe to be a sincere question posted earlier in this blog. "If there were to be the "tribulation" before the rapture, will we be able to recognize it as the "tribulation"? Answer: Yes. If we are able to recognize the deception. The warning is given in Mat. 24:4,5. "Take heed that no man deceive you". The tribulation of the end times involves a great deception. Most seem to be waiting for a time of great physical hardship, Cont.
---Josef on 6/9/06


End Time Lie
Read 2 Thessalonians 2:9 -12

A delusion sent by God to deceive those who refuse to love the truth and be saved. They will believe the lie which is counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders done by the lawless one.

There are other scriptures that I believe go with 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 they are Matt 24:24, Revelation 13:13 and Romans 1:18-32. Be sure to read these in context. The end times, a very interesting study.
---Kathy on 6/8/06


Your right Steve it's an Absolam spirit,he raped his fathers concubines in the open presence of all the city,this spirit wants to take the throne of Jesus for himself and his Glory
---exzucuh on 6/7/06


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I believe that the modern church will be the one that ushers in the Anti Christ. Today people attend churches that use a little scripture to rape Gods truth; I call it spiritual pornography. Elders of these churches not grounded in Gods word watch with excitement while a so-called man or woman of God spiritually rapes the congregation.
---Steve on 6/7/06


If there were to be the "tribulation" before the rapture, will we be able to recognize it as the "tribulation?"
If yes, how is this reconciled with the teaching of Jesus Matthew 25:13, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."
and Luke 12:40, "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."
---Bruce5656 on 5/15/06


continued: Revelation 6:12-17
---eliza4969 on 5/15/06


continued: Zechariah 14:6-7 it shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light; the lights will diminish. It shall be one day which is known to the Lord- Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen that it will be light.
---eliza4969 on 5/15/06


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continued: Matt.24:31 And He(Jesus) will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Mark 13:27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
---eliza4969 on 5/15/06


continued: Matt. 24:30 Then the sign of the Son Of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
---eliza4969 on 5/15/06


Rev Herb The Great Tribulation is not the Wrath Of God, the wrath of God is after the great tribulation. Jesus said we would have tribulation but promised we are not meant for wrath. Matt. 24:29 immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
---eliza4969 on 5/15/06


Jack you said, "But when they say, "Peace and safety!" the sudden destruction shall come upon them, and they SHALL NOT ESCAPE!
---Jack on 5/11/06."
Please quote your source and when you do go back and see who was being spoke of and you will see it is not the redeemed of God.
---Elder on 5/15/06


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For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, The wrath here is the tribulation. 1Th1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Again, the wrath to come is the tribulation. If we as Christians have to go through the tribulation, how can these verses be true. The Christian will be raptured before the tribulation.

Moderator - Again, according to scripture, God's wrath is at the end of the Great Tribulation not the beginning.
---Rev_Herb on 5/14/06


Moderator- I answered you question, but I see it was not published. Was the answer to simple and make to much sence, or was against what you believe. Here is you another verse to chew on: 1Th1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Wrath to come;(Tribulation)

Moderator - If you don't properly submit your information, we never recieve it which we didn't. God's wrath isn't the 7 year tribulation. God's wrath is at the very end of the 7 year tribulation. It sounds like we are in agreement because that is exactly what I stated. The Rapture happens before God's wrath and God's wrath is towards the end of the Great Tribulation.
---Rev_Herb on 5/14/06


That only belief saves and works of righteousness is uneccessary, that God loves everyone, that sin is acceptable, that there is no hell and all will go to heaven, that every religion and every God is the same, that Christ was just a man and the AntiChrist is the real God the Savior.
---Eloy on 5/14/06


I know a church in Orange County Ca. that give out 'salvation passes'-cards that are supposed to admit you to heaven. You say the right words in church, they give you the card. Thats it, heaven bound. Fast food, fast cars, instant pudding, instant salvation. anti-Christ will fit right into the vacuum.
---MikeM on 5/14/06


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The Christian being beheaded are mainly Jew converted during the tribulation. If you have heard the gospel and did not accept it before the tribulation, you will never have a chance to be saved. 2 Thes.2:10-12 Those who have not heard the gospel will hear it from the 144 thousand and get saved, they will be beheaded.

Moderator - Beheaded converted Jews is a guess as the scripture doesn't state that.
---Rev_Herb on 5/14/06


2 Cor. 13:5-6 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

While one may deceit oneself into believing he or she to be a Christian, it is only God who really knows.

2 Tim. 2:19... "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
---lee on 5/12/06


My point is that too many people are placing their faith in their own act of faith and not in God Himself.

Big difference.
---Jack on 5/12/06


Jack, in Rev.Chapter 4 you will see where John was called to heaven. This is the rapture chapter in Rev. No where after that do you see the church mentioned. That is because it was raptured out before the great tribulation. If you are here after the rapture, then you are lost and can never be saved.

Moderator - Really. Who are the Christians getting beheaded in Chapter 6? They are Christians.
---Rev_Herb on 5/12/06


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Jack, how can a God that has the power to save us not have the power to keep us. How can a God that promised (ETERNAL LIFE)not keep his promise if we can loose our salvation. Do you know what "eternal" means? It is not eternal life after we die, but eternal right now. So if I have eternal life now, how can I loose it later? If I can loose it later, then it wasn't eternal.
---Rev_Herb on 5/12/06


Jack, Jack, Jack..lol. The bride of Christ wasn't meant for wrath. I believe we will be here for SOME of the tribulation, but not for ALL of it. And if we are here for ALL of it, then I'm going to PRAY HARD that the Lord take me like he took Enoch: "Enoch walked with God and then was not." Jack, the Bride of Christ wasn't meant for wrath. Amen?
---Donna9759 on 5/12/06


There is no scripture that states once saved always saved Then why does the bible talk about people backsideing The bible states Jesus is still married to the backslider but that doesn't mean they are going to make it to heaven
---Betty on 5/12/06


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