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Hillary Clinton Running For 2008

How many of you are going to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008? Why or why not?

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 ---Mike on 5/15/06
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Dan. 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
You and I will vote, but God will be the one who decides who will be our next president. In the day and time we live in, you can be assured, God will have the one that will fulfill His purpose, regardless of who we vote for.
---Debbie on 2/20/08

Mike: Why are you stirring up a political broohaha? You know this is going to start a whole liberal/conservative argument. How is this going to be edifying to the body of Christ? What does it have to do with spiritual growth?

So what if I vote for Hillary in 2008? Does that make me less a Christian than anyone else here?
---Madison1101 on 4/18/07

Well doggies... Just shut my mouth. Jed Clampet, Hollywood 1968.
---Elder on 6/4/06

Madison - ok so you know a little about statistics and sampling. My background is that I taught the subject both at the graduate and undergraduate levels.
---lee on 5/17/06

lee: As a matter of fact, I took three semesters of research and statistics when I studied for my Masters in Social Work. Prior to that, I had one graduate course in it and one undergraduate course in it. That is five classes of research and statistics. I also have studied for three years, in graduate school, on the topics being discussed, as well as mental health. What did you major in when you were in college?
---Madison1101 on 5/17/06

Hello sister Debbie, your answer on 5/15/06 was what I was thinking about. You looked at this question from God's perspective. He is Sovereign and He will make a decision. We might get what we don't need, as He did in Scripture to teach a lesson, or give us what we need to complete His order of things in this world. Whatever He allows, we just don't know, all we can do is vote from our Christian hearts for the things that are important to God and not us.
---Lupe2618 on 5/17/06

2- We have it easy in this country, way too easy. Hearing about the poor in America makes me think of the missionaries that visit our church who give up everything to go to countries that have real poverty, where they live same as those who live there trusting God to provide. I wish I had that kind of conviction. If we all did, imagine how great a world this would be.
---chris on 5/17/06

lee is right. I know it would never happen, but if everyone would follow the bible there would not be all the troubles. Even the problems that you mentioned Madison. Because pure charity or pure love for one another would be abundant. Unfortunately, I dont have a Christian political party to vote for so I have to judge based on the lesser of two evils. There are a lot more problems than minimum wage in my eyes that are more pressing for me, my future generations and the Christian community. cont.
---chris on 5/17/06

...and to think that homosexual marriage and abortion are the only two issues that fall under the heading of moral issues is and even BIGGER lack of understanding Madison. Just because they are up front and happen to be the only two I mentioned, doesnt mean I'm so naive that I think they are the only two issues at stake. Don't you realize that the other things YOU mentioned are moral issues as well???
---T.S. on 5/17/06

Madison - "I tend to trust hard data, not a loose sampling done with a bias. "

"The rich have plenty of out of wedlock babies, and drug problems too, look at Hollywood."

Talk about sampling done with a bias! Do you know anything about statistics or sampling techniques?
---lee on 5/16/06

lee: That certainly is not enough of a sample to be considered valid in scientific research. I tend to trust hard data, not a loose sampling done with a bias.
---Madison1101 on 5/16/06

Madison1101 - went down and worked in one of the missions to street people and asked lots of questions. Specifically, how many of these people that show up for food would really work if offered a decent job? The answer was that only about 10 percent would do so as many are drug addicts, dropout from mental facilities, have criminal records, or simply do not want to work.
---lee on 5/16/06

cont: To judge the poor based on single parenting and drugs is ridiculous. The rich have plenty of out of wedlock babies, and drug problems too, look at Hollywood.

The poor have little help to get out of their drug problems though. The rich can just fly off to the Betty Ford clinic. (Hey, she was a rich, Republican with a drug problem, wasn't she?)
---Madison1101 on 5/16/06

lee: According to the National Government "The number of unemployed persons (7.1 million) was essentially unchanged in April, and the unemployment rate held at 4.7 percent."

Where are the plentiful jobs for the 7.1 million out of work? These are only the people who still collect unemployment. Those whose benefits have run out are not counted in this.
---Madison1101 on 5/16/06

That is a personal question. I would vote for someone I thought could be trusted with the job, and able to do the job.
---Ulrika on 5/16/06

Before Hilary becomes President, I hope she gets on hormones. A post-menopausal woman, like myself, should not run this country. :-) I don't think I would vote for a woman. I don't think women should be presidents.
---Nellah on 5/16/06

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Madison1101 - in a wealthy country like ours where jobs are still plentiful, you will find that the poor are usually those that live at a lower moral standard. For instance, there are too many single parent families, too much drug addiction, etc. I could only agree that handouts is not a solution at all but a raising of the moral standards would more than suffice.
---lee on 5/16/06

ps. my wife just got a job at walmart and guess what, it is above minimum wage. It is about what they would raise minimum wage to. Where are the jobs that are still paying minimum wage anyway? McDonalds here by me pays 8 an hour. Hardly minimum wage.
---chris on 5/16/06

Next election will be between Hilary and Condi.
---A_Catholic on 5/16/06

There are millions of opportunities in this country and very few are actually incapable of achieving them. Liberals do cry about these issues but rarely do anything to rectify them. They do however block legislation that can help. I'm sorry that I do not want to live in a socialist society like most liberals. I believe that many of the solutions would come if we instituted a higher moral fiber rather than slapping a legislative bill on it. The problems are much deeper than a dollar amount.
---chris on 5/16/06

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chris: There are millions of people who do work, full time, who still live below the poverty line. Many do not have medical insurance, and they cannot afford to live in their own home. They are not lazy, they are underpaid, thanks to conservatives who vote against raising minimum wage and ensuring that every American have adequate medical care. They are not looking for a handout, just a helping hand out of the poor line.
---Madison1101 on 5/16/06

the moral issues do make a huge impact... Here is a thought, maybe if we could dramatically increase abortions and homosexuals over time, the population could drop enough to have a huge job surplus. or get rid of abortions, properly educate and motivate them, and maybe we would increase the number of business owners to create more jobs. Whats funny is the same people complaining that there arent enough jobs want the employers to give more money to the govt which reduces the # of employees they can afford.
---chris on 5/16/06

I think our choices so far are going to be Billary Clinton, John Edwards, and Mayor "Gucci"-ani.
---Fred_S. on 5/16/06

Madison,"There are more issues on the block than moral issues." The very things you listed as issues ARE moral issues. You have no better grasp of the big picture than those you speak against. The "big" picture is God and His word. And, truly, it shouldn't be in the government's hands to take care of the poor, etc. The church should be stepping up far more than it does. We would have far more credibility if we put our money where our mouths are.
---daphn8897 on 5/16/06

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A lack of understanding if we vote the moral card? that's a foolish statement. The more we give to poverty in the form of taxes the bigger the problem will be. If a cannidate would promise wealth for everyone, all you had to do is give up your morals, would you vote for that person?
---wayne on 5/16/06

Madison, you seem to think that the Dems actually care about that sort of stuff. I hate to break it to you, but they arent going to fix homelessness or poverty. Maybe if we instituted some morality, then parents could help institute some ambition in their children. Instead, dems want everyone to be willy nilly and care free... wickedness. This nation is all about it.
---chris on 5/16/06

Fres S, Funny statement guy, who are you considering the woman to be?
---Eler on 5/16/06

There are more issues on the block than moral issues. There is the way the poor are cared for and our dismal foreign policy. There is unemployment and all of the millions who are losing their jobs are cannot support their families. To vote on only two issues shows a lack of understanding of the big picture.
---Madison1101 on 5/16/06

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Rev Herb, It certainly is biblical for her to be President. It is not biblical for her to be a pastor. Totally different arenas - in the world there have always been women in controling leadership positions. It is only within the church government that those standards apply. We cannot attach church function to secular function. All that said, I would rather vote for a dead hampster than for Hillary Clinton.
---daphn8897 on 5/16/06

I am not defending or giving a vote of confidence in Hillary, but if their is a virtuous woman running for president, she would have my vote. God does use women as preachers, teachers, pastors, evangelists. He is not a respector of persons. Romans 16 lists 8 women, Phebe, Priscilla, Mary, Junia, Thyphena, Tryphenas and Persis. All who were involved in Paul's ministry and given special recognition.
---Debbie on 5/16/06

Mike, well sad to say I don't vote because I don't believe that any President walks in total truth and follows Jesus all the way and lives strickly by the Word of God. I know people will jump on me for not voting, but until God condemns me for this, I just don't do it.
---Donna9759 on 5/16/06

I agree with T.S. that we should focus on morality. Personally, my #1 issue is fighing separation of church and state, fighting for freedom to pray in schools, fighting the ACLU's attempts to remove religion from all aspects of life. At this time, republicans are more likely to take a stand in my favor on these issues. We need to get back to being a nation under God. Rep. presidents are more likely to give us moral judges rather than radicals to help protect these rights.
---chris on 5/16/06

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I have all ideas that the media will play their "MAN vs. WOMAN" cards.
---Fred_S. on 5/16/06

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

It is not bibical for her to be president.
---Rev_Herb on 5/16/06

Hillary's politics aside, I can't imagine a majority of men would willingly choose to be nagged daily on television by her abrasive, screeching voice and condescending manner of speech for four years. An unexpected by-produce of a Hillary presidency would be widespread sympathy for Bill.
---ralph7477 on 5/16/06

I agree with T S. I have to vote morals. The other party can promise a lot of things, at our expense and our taxes. Calling right wrong, and wrong right. This present administration isn't perfect, but I'd vote the same again if elections were today. I really don't think Bush's ratings are as low as the media says.
---wayne on 5/16/06

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She was married to Bill long enough, his ways have probably rubbed off on her. LOL
---shira on 5/16/06

Quite right, Debbie.
---Jack on 5/16/06

after I witnessed two videos of beheadings of Americans, we need leaders that are Godly to fight the enemy. muslims is our enemy. They are slowly getting hold of America and some day in our own country, you will see beheadings on the news. Why does American try to help people that don't want help. The muslims hate us and they always will. They will kill us in a heart beat.
---shira on 5/15/06

I would love to see Hillary, President of an island way out in the middle of nowere, where she could do no harm to others. Everybody wave bye to Hillary!
---Bill on 5/15/06

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3. The problem is, many 'christians' overlook the wicked things their candidate supports because all they care about is what he promises to do for the economy. "I don't care what kind of morals he has, as long as I get mine!!!" -read Php 3:19
---T.S. on 5/15/06

2. It's utter stupidity for someone to vote a candidate into office who openly supports these 2 issues especially, and then protest against them (issues) and cry and pray to God about it. I say you made the bed, NOW LIE IN IT! Same goes for those who don't vote at all- you have no right to gripe about ANYTHING if you dont vote.
---T.S. on 5/15/06

BUT, whether people admit it or not, it is moral issues we vote for, not candidates or parties. If you vote for a candidate that supports abortion, same sex marriage, and other immoral things, you just as well put YOUR stamp of approval on those things.
---T.S. on 5/15/06

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