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Is the Catholic Church the only Church where you can recieve Salvation, as the Catechism number 868-870 of the Catholic Church states?

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Edel, as a Catholic I would agree with that. Except for being a 'denomination', denomination denotes a new name for a new organization. We have been calling ourselves Catholic since the first century, and only to denote our purpose, not a change in identity or structure.

Being a Catholic does not guarantee salvation. There are many good Catholics in other denominations, and many false Catholics within our walls.
---lorra8574 on 9/24/07


The bible states that anyone who believes in Christ as his only way to God is saved. being a memeber of a catholic denomination or anyother does not give a person his salivation. Salivation only comes from Christ.
---Edel on 9/24/07


Eliza:->Since this a Question from the Catechism& if you are a true catholic Yes if you conform to its teachings & in the state of sanctifying grace Yes you will be saved.If however you belong to another denomination then they consider it questionable.so the answer would be keep away from sin for the greater glory of God to recieve eternal Bliss.Because nothing defiled can enter Heaven as stated in REV.
---Impartial_Bystander on 6/1/06


Eliza:->Since this a Question from the Catechism& if you are a true catholic Yes if you conform to its teachings & in the state of sanctifying grace Yes you will be saved.If however you belong to another denomination then they consider it questionable.so the answer would be keep away from sin for the greater glory of God to recieve eternal Bliss.Because nothing defiled can enter Heaven as stated in REV.
---Impartial_Bystander on 6/1/06


Eliza:->Since this a Question from the Catechism& if you are a true catholic Yes if you conform to its teachings & in the state of sanctifying grace Yes you will be saved.If however you belong to another denomination then they consider it questionable.so the answer would be keep away from sin for the greater glory of God to recieve eternal Bliss.Because nothing defiled can enter Heaven as stated in REV.
---Impartial_Bystander on 6/1/06




John,
Remember, "most gracious" can mean godly, kind, courteous, characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, merciful, compassionate...all terms we have no problem using to describe our own mothers. For goodness sake! We even devote a special day every year to honor our mothers. Should we no less honor the mother of our Lord?
---Tina5349 on 5/31/06


John,
I understand your concern. But Mary's blessing is not her own, it is that she had received the Word of God. She was blessed only because the Lord, by His own will, "regarded her." Honor Mary, but don't look to her. Don't look to anything other than the Word of God.
---Tina5349 on 5/31/06


Tina:
To whom does this refer? "Thou Bearer of the eternal Word, Most gracious. Magnify the Lord"

The song calls Mary, "most gracious" meaning that she is a giver of grace to people.

She is to be honored as the mother of Jesus, for she was a chosen vessel, but no more so than John, Paul, Peter or other Apostles.

Only God gives grace to humans. Does that clarify it?
---John_T on 5/31/06


#2 Respond, ye souls in endless rest,
Ye patriarchs and prophets blest,
Alleluia! Alleluia!
Ye holy twelve, ye martyrs strong,
All saints triumphant, raise the song.

Refrain

O friends, in gladness let us sing,
Supernal anthems echoing,
Alleluia! Alleluia!
To God the Father, God the Son,
And God the Spirit, Three in One.
Refrain
---Tina5349 on 5/30/06


#1 John, here are the rest of the lyrics by John Riley.

Ye watchers and ye holy ones,
Bright seraphs, cherubim and thrones,
Raise the glad strain, Alleluia!
Cry out, dominions, princedoms, powers,
Virtues, archangels, angels choirs:
Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
---Tina5349 on 5/30/06




Hi John,
I'm not sure what you are asking and I do not see how this hymn glorifies anyone but Christ.

You may also want to read Rev. 4:8, 7:9,15. With angels and archangels and with all the company of heaven we laud and magnify His glorious name. Do you believe that Mary is in heaven?
---Tina5349 on 5/30/06


TINA

I hope you did not infer in my answer any glorification of Mary.

Your song seems to promote that idea, and it is FAR REMOVED from my intentions
---John_T on 5/29/06


John T said: "As the god-bearer, Mary was indeed special"

This brings to mind a verse of one of my favorite hymns. "Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones"
O higher than the cherubim,
More glorious than the seraphim,
Lead their praises, Alleluia!
Thou Bearer of the eternal Word,
Most gracious Magnify the Lord, Alleluia! Alleluia!
---Tina5349 on 5/25/06


Moderator "I agree that reasonable people can have some reasonable differences in how they understand the scriptures."

Rx: Are you saying then, that if I believe baptism saves, that Matt. 28: 19 means *all* including infants, the actual body and blood of Christ are in the Eucharist, and the perpetual virginity of Mary, that I am no longer considered by you to be practicing pagan rituals? So how about it if you stop using the paganism card against Catholics? It is blatantly untrue.

Moderator - I am not the authority, however the Bible is the authority. Yes, several of the things you mention are false doctrines, false traditions and have their roots in paganism according to the Bible.
---Tina5349 on 5/25/06


No church on the face of the earth gives salvation to anyone. It is God alone who saves and you can get saved anywhere -- I got saved alone in my loungeroom!! "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever BELIEVES in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
---Helen_5378 on 5/25/06


While we have in the Bible the New and Old Testament, the latter given to the Jews helps us in understanding the former given to the church.

While we have teachers in the church and can enlist the aid of the Holy Spirit in understanding spiritual things in His word, none of us have yet graduated with complete understanding and knowledge.

But from what we do understand, we have reasons to reject the belief that salvation is from the Roman Catholic church as salvation is in Christ alone.
---lee on 5/25/06


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Tina, on these, I sorta agree. As the god-bearer, Mary was indeed special, and an investigation of her life via Scriptures reveal a young woman thoroughly grounded in the OT.

On the other hand, she is not greater than Paul, Peter or John. We need balance.

About 25 years ago I preached on Mother's Day a message on her as an example called, "The Forgotten Mother" in a Mennonite church, using only the Bible. They could not accept that
---John_T on 5/25/06


Where do you get your reference of a gate being shut not to reopen? Not from the Bible, so where? Does your church rewrite the Bible to form your own opinions? Even Jesus did not refer to her of being more then his mother. He did not even put her before the apostles.
---Dottie on 5/25/06


John T,
"all generations will count me blessed" (Luke 1:48)...And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Luke 1:28)...."This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the LORD God of Israel has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut. (Ezekiel 44:2)...Baptism now saves you 1 Peter 3:21.
---Tina5349 on 5/25/06


Moderator, my point is that if one chooses to believe the word "is" means "represents" one is choosing to beleive the interpretation of a man (Zwingli) rather that the clear words of scripture alone. "This *is* My body"

Moderator - I agree that reasonable people can have some reasonable differences in how they understand the scriptures. However, on the main points of the Gospel there should be univeral understanding if people are reading their Bibles.
---Tina5349 on 5/25/06


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Grace, you are wrong in saying we do not need a bible...Jesus dont need it .. for He is the Word John 1:1,2,3..but we do need the bible..it is our manual for righteous living...there is no such thing as The New Testament is the truth...Both o/t and n/t are to go together..no word of God is ever left out No Tittle shall disappear from my word He said. Psalm 89:34 my covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that went out of my mouth
---jana on 5/25/06


AC:
What exactly do you mean in this?, "What do I have to say for myself? I better not for fear of scandalizing the many "Christian" saints that may be reading my post"
---John_T on 5/24/06


Tina:
"I can think of many scriptures that Fundamentalists / Protestants have tossed out or simply ignored because these scriptures do not fit the notions of how you think God should be."

Please list them
---John_T on 5/24/06


Moderator said: "I read the Bible and I find it is easy to understand in most situations."

Rx: Oh really? Then why are there so many different interpretations of Scripture that ought to be clear? "This is My body...this is My blood" and "Baptism now saves you" seems clear to me, but I would venture to guess that you and I would not agree to it's meaning. In the hands of sinful man, thousands of interpretations arise (over a single text!).

Moderator - I am not confused by those texts; not even remotely.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


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I can think of many scriptures that Fundamentalists / Protestants have tossed out or simply ignored because these scriptures do not fit the notions of how you think God should be.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


Moderator said, "I have never stated the Bible can be interpreted in any form. There is a 2,000 year history of the understanding of the Bible." Rx: So who's history/interpretation/tradition are you aligning yourself with? Mod:"The problem with the Catholic Church is that they toss out parts of the Bible and instead use paganism as a replacement for scripture." Rx: Prove it. (BTW your quizzes do not prove it.)

Moderator - The quizzes are a good place to start. The quizzes don't cover church history which is another excellent place to start. I am not an expert in church history beyond what is contained in the Bible, however know that additional knowledge is valuable. We don't cover church history in the quizzes because we don't have the inhouse knowledge and knowing it would probably cause more problems than solve.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


Moderator, would you care to answer my question? Who's understanding of the holy scriptures are you aligning yourself with? Your own interpretation? Or is it a pick and choose sort of thing?

Moderator - I read the Bible and I find it is easy to understand in most situations. However, I understand that you think differently about how you solve a problem. I realise that you are deep thinker and have to solve the problem in extreme detail before believing you have found an answer. I am both a deep thinker and intuitive, therefore I don't always have to locate the answer with extreme detail. You would be suited well to be a professor.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


#1 Moderator, I did what you advised and took the false tradition and paganism quizzes. I am no expert on RC doctrine, but from what I do know, these questions are misleading regarding what the RCC actually teaches. The answers given are compiled from bits and pieces of scripture taken out of context to suit your particular notions of what scripture should say...your interpretation...your tradition.

Moderator - The quizzes are not directed toward Catholics, but various false doctrines within the Body of Christ of which the Catholic Church has it's share of false doctrines.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


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(Moderator - I have stated it before that there are many false doctrines in the Protestant churches also and that the Catholic Church doesn't have a corner on false doctrines.) Ok, that fine, but you wrote that the Apostles explain things clearly, are you saying it is clearly for you but others it is not. Again let the Protestant that differ which is right or wrong.

Moderator - I think it is clear for those that spend time reading their Bible. Are there some small points that reasonable people can have differences - of course. Too few Christians today spend time in their Bible, praying, fasting, etc. Most want to attend church a few times per month, watch Christian TV or be spoon feed.
---ruben on 5/24/06


If one needs to belong to a certain denomination for ones salvation, then that makes that church "the way, the truth, and the life" - something Jesus said that he was.

And jesus is no longer the savior or the only mediator between God and man.
---lee on 5/24/06


Grace said: "Jesus spoke from the teachings that were given to him by God. He did not need a church or a Bible."

Rx: Grace, please read Luke 4:16-22 Jesus quoted from, I believe, 24 books of the OT. Again, how is it (in your opinion) that God speaks to us today? Remember, you are not Jesus.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


(Moderator - The Apostles wrote the New Testament. Why would one want to just take somebody's word for God's ways when the Apostles explain things clearly in the Bible.) Then you need to tell all of the Protestants who differ in scriptures, how clearly the NT is let them know such things as Rapture, bible alone, Faith alone, infants baptism, etc which is true and which is not.

Moderator - I have stated it before that there are many false doctrines in the Protestant churches also and that the Catholic Church doesn't have a corner on false doctrines.
---ruben on 5/24/06


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Grace said: "We don't need a physical church..."

Rx: Please show me where in scripture Jesus was teaching what you claim here. This sounds a lot like a tradition of man, not substantiated by scripture. Are you somehow saying that matter is evil and spirit is good? How does God speak to you?
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


What do I have to say for myself? I better not for fear of scandalizing the many "Christian" saints that may be reading my post.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


Moderator said: "The problem with the Catholic Church is that they toss out parts of the Bible and instead use paganism as a replacement for scripture"..."True Biblical traditions don't conflict with scriptures."

Rx: Since I am not RC I am curious as to what specific traditions you are suggesting conflict with scriptures and what parts of scripture (in your opinion) are tossed out? What pagan practices are you accusing the RCC of? Thanks.

Moderator - Thats a good question regardless if you were Catholic or not. Please take the false tradition, false teaching, paganism, cults and apostasy Bible Quizzes by clicking the Bible button on the ChristiaNet interface. We spent hundreds of hours answering these types of questions.
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


Moderator said: "There is 2,000 years of understanding. This isn't new stuff."

Rx: True. But who's understanding of the holy scriptures are you aligning yourself with? Your own interpretation? Or is it a pick and chose sort of thing?
---Tina5349 on 5/24/06


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Mod replied to Ruben: "Therefore you are stating that Tradition is the final authority if the Bible and Tradition disagree with each other" Ruben did NOT say that and you are putting words in his mouth and I'm starting to doubt your motives why.

Moderator - Then Ruben needs to clearly make his statement which is why I asked my question. Ruben is into Marian theology and other American and Latin American Catholic theologies. Ruben has stated before in other blogs these types of things. How about you A_Catholic what do you say for yourself?
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


(Moderator - Therefore you are stating that Tradition is the final authority if the Bible and Tradition disagree with each other. That is exactly how paganism has been allowed into the Catholic Church.)How is someone going to know about a tradition, if the Church does not compare the scriptures and tradition hand down by the apostles. The Bible alone theory is a man-made tradition shot down by the Church, because was never mention by any apostle.

Moderator - The Apostles wrote the New Testament. Why would one want to just take somebody's word for God's ways when the Apostles explain things clearly in the Bible.
---ruben on 5/24/06


(Mod However, the Vatican isn't in agreement with that statement.) That is not true, the Catholic Church has always said Scared Scriptures and Sacred Traditions go hand in hand. The Bible cannot be the final authority like you had mention many times , because it does not make that claim.

Moderator - Therefore you are stating that Tradition is the final authority if the Bible and Tradition disagree with each other. That is exactly how paganism has been allowed into the Catholic Church.
---ruben on 5/24/06


Who or what is the authority? God is the authority.....and we don't need a phyiscal church, Bible or priest, minister or pastor to access this. Jesus was trying to each this.......Jesus spoke from the teachings that were given to him by God. He did not need a church or a Bible. I'm not saying that a church or a Bible is not helpful, but wisdom and understanding comes from God.
---Grace on 5/24/06


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Mod, tradition does not override the Bible as you have repeatedly stated.

Moderator - We may be in agreement. However, the Vatican isn't in agreement with that statement.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


AC:
Let's try it another way.

Which tradition in the RCC do you believe is the proper interpertation of Scripture: Augustinian? Benedictine? Jesuit? Dominican? or another?

What makes their interpertation better, or more to the point, what makes what they do different from what has been done from the Reformation?
---John_T on 5/24/06


No matter how you view it, the Bible simply does not support much that is Roman Catholic doctrine. So they cannot use it as a guide in support of Marian worship, bowing down to images, penance, purgatory, papal infallibility, the belief that salvation is invested only with their denomination, etc. etc.
---lee on 5/24/06


"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold the traditions that you have learned, whether by WORD or by letter of ours." 2Thess 2:15

Moderator - That doesn't state that traditions override the Bible. True Biblical traditions don't conflict with scriptures.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


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Moderator replied to my post: "The Bible is the authority not pagan traditions handed down from the Catholic Church...." Sorry, Mod, your reply does not answer my point.

Moderator - Scholars may understand the Bible, however the scholars aren't the authority, it's the Bible that is.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


Tina, your point is valid. We have on these blogs a few who seem to take to themselves infallibility in interpretation of the Bible.
As you say, we each come from different backgrounds, with different expereinces, and with different understandings of the Truth. There is probably a real validity in all each of us believe ...even dare I say, the Roman Catholics :-) ... It will not be till we arrive to meet God that we see how it all fits together.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/24/06


Moderator said: "The Bible is the authority not man"
What is the Bible if it's not properly understood? Let go of your pride and fanaticism about the Bible. When RCC theologians get together to study and interpret the Bible, they pray the H.S. first and then spend years debating and analysing vs some Protestants who "get saved", grab the Bible and start preaching. Inject some common sense for goodness sake.

Moderator - The Bible is the authority not pagan traditions handed down from the Catholic Church that is mixed with some Christianity. Traditions are not the authority or you will be tossed like the wind.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


Calm down, Walter and stop judging.

Christ on the Cross is a reminder to us dummies of what He has done for us. Where is the hypocrisy? I see more ignorance in many of you than hypocrisy within the RCC.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


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I totally agree with Tina. What I strongly disagree with many Protestant churches and even with the Mod and many here is that anyone can read the Bible and interpret it his or her own way. You are wrong, dead wrong and this "the H.S. illuminates me" thingy is pure nonsense and it's abuse of the H.S. God helps me but I would not walk at the edge of a cliff hoping for a miracle. Some of you need some growing up to do.

Moderator - I have never stated the Bible can be interpreted in any form. There is a 2,000 year history of the understanding of the Bible. The problem with the Catholic Church is that they toss out parts of the Bible and instead use paganism as a replacement for scripture. An obvious problem.
---A_Catholic on 5/24/06


If the church is the authority even over the Bible then what checks and balances are there to govern the church? Scripture has always been the rule of faith in determining our christian walk and doctrine.
---lee on 5/23/06


Moderator said: "One may have ignorance of interpretation of the Bible..."

Rx: Who's interpretation are you going by? Your own? Take almost any word-peace, love, grace and try to define them apart from your own experience. What is meant by a "thousand years"? How do you relate to the parables? The "subjectivity" of scriptural interpretation is inherent in the process. We all bring to the table our own experiences and traditions in the interpretive task.

Moderator - There is 2,000 years of understanding. This isn't new stuff.
---Tina5349 on 5/23/06


Moderator said: If the Bible isn't the authority, who or what is?

Rx: The Bible is the sole source and norm of doctrine, but scripture is never alone. You claim "Bible alone," but it becomes "bible" plus "me," Bible plus "my interpretation." We all approach the Scriptures through a history that has shaped our manner of formulating thoughts, categorizing ideas, hearing language different experiences. You have tradition just as much as the RCC.

Moderator - One may have ignorance of interpretation of the Bible, however the Bible is still the authority regardless of our individual shortcomings.
---Tina5349 on 5/23/06


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So every man is his own Pope? How is that better than the RCC? Just more room for error. Do I believe Sola Scriptura? Yes, but that does not mean we have no other authorities. It *does* mean that all other authorities must be *subordinate* to the Word of God. No one can read the Bible without his understanding of it being determined by the experiences of the history of the church and his own presuppositions. There are no purely "objective" interpretations of Scripture.
---Tina5349 on 5/23/06


(Moderator - If you have not figured it out by now, you probably will not. The Bible is the authority not man.) But the Bible nowhere makes that claim?

Moderator - If the Bible isn't the authority, who or what is? The Pope? A man?
---ruben on 5/23/06


In John 20:30,"When Jesus therefore had recieved the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."(KJV) Folks, Jesus finished everything at the cross and why is the Catholic Church still hang Him up in their church. I could not fathom this act of hypocrite that He already died once and alive again sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Why put Him up again for sacrifice. God is good all the time.
---walter on 5/23/06


Moderator said, "I can't think of one denomination that doesn't have at least some false doctrines."

Rx: So who is the judge of this? You? By who's authority do you make this judgement? Are you certain that *you* have interpreted *all* of scripture correctly? Does that make *you* the sole authority and keeper of all truth...according to you? Does this not make you a church unto yourself?

Moderator - If you have not figured it out by now, you probably will not. The Bible is the authority not man.
---Tina5349 on 5/23/06


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Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me." He didn't say ANYTHING about the Catholic church, or any other church. He is the ONLY way to salvation, period.
---tommy3007 on 5/23/06


AC: You wrote, "Yes, John T, Sola Scriptura and we end up with millions of interpretations and confusions."

The problem with this statement is that it assumes there is ONLY ONE proper interpertation, and I suspect that he means the RCC's, as interperted by RCC tradition.


Words have specific meanings, and the ORIGINAL words remain intact. Therefore, taking the original words one can tell the original intent. Thus the argument of AC is not accurate.
---John_T on 5/23/06


Moderator - Everyone please be nice in this blog. Thanks.
---John_T on 5/22/06


Mod, u finally said something I disagree with. I disagree with the widely preached notion that the church is an apostate condition. Yes, no assembly has it right 100% of the time like Eliza noted; yes, the love of many has gone cold; yes the true church is only a fraction of what we call the church. Still, the true church isn't in an apostate condition, and while it's a small percent of the world, it still consists of millions of people! There's always been cold churches since Paul's days, just more today.

Moderator - I agree true Christians will NEVER be apostate. However, the majority of people that call themselves Christians today would go to Hell if they were to die. Individual churches of course may have a higher or lower percentage of true believers. If one believes we are living in the end-times, by default the majority in the church are apostate.
---Okebaram on 5/22/06


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I am not a catholic but feel lumping all catholics together is inappropriate. Many do believe the Word and trust in Christ for salvation. My aunt was one such and stayed in the RCC to honor her mother, a choice I firmly believed was of God and enabled her to share within the church her relationship with Christ
---Sharon on 5/20/06


Thats True Jerry and Moderator
No one has it completely right 100% of the time.
---eliza4969 on 5/20/06


As a protestant, I have serious doctrinal differences with the RCC. I do however think that there are many good Jesus-loving christians in the RCC. Jesus has one flock, but they are in many fields. On the subject of pagan influences, neither the RCC or protestantism is clean. We all seem to enjoy Dec. 25th Christmas, Easter, and even Halloween. Many protestants still cling to the day of the Sun as holy. All of these things are of pagan origin.

Moderator - Jerry is correct as the church is in an apostate condition. Some parts of the church are just worse than others in terms of false doctrines. I can't think of one denomination that doesn't have at least some false doctrines.
---jerry6593 on 5/20/06


Of course not! There are saved and unsaved in ALL of the christian denominations, as it is a work of God through His word, Jesus Christ. Never forget it is the power of God, not human arguements, and He does as He chooses, despite all of our intellect, pride, foolishness...How wonderful is He?!?! So easy to debate and get our eyes off Jesus.
---christina on 5/20/06


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I disagree with John T's attitude towards this forum.

First he hinted that he has PhD in a way to show his superiority and/or smarter in this forum. 2ndly, his attitude towards the diagreement with A-Catholic is uncalled for as a Christian. He should correct A-Catholic with love but not with such arrogance.

Isn't it that we Christians have to show each other patience and love and respect each other's sensitivities?
---Water_Lily on 5/20/06


John T: Are you Christian?

Your attitude in telling off A_Catholic with such expression "Now Lay Off" show no Christain Examples.

How could you try to help others to understand with such attitude.
---t3 on 5/20/06


AC: You wrote, "Yes, John T, Sola Scriptura and we end up with millions of interpretations and confusions."

"If we are to unite, we cannot allow every John, Dick or and Harry to interpret the Bible as it's being done now but a body of learned theologians has to study and give us their interpretations."

You said it 5/10 on bog .../1147101250-2htm on May 17 , now LAY OFF THE AD HOMINUM stuff and deal with the discussion.
---John_T on 5/19/06


Any Church that claims they are the only Church who are saved are deluded and although they may not mean to be, they are liars. Jesus said I have other sheep not of this fold. Any Church saying that is also saying the Bible is a lie,because it tells us if we believe in Jesus,son of God, crucified,risen, and alive forevermore,repent of sins, we are saved. God help those who bring lies for doctrine and man's traditions for guides. Not any one church is only one saved.
---Darlene_1 on 5/19/06


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Okebaram, please don't feel sorry for me. I wish we can debate but when continuous attacks are delivered against the RCC, we, Catholics, have no choice but to defend. Many don't even consider us as Christians - go figure.

Moderator - Many here will expose false doctrines which isn't an attack of any person. Are we not commanded to defend the faith?
---A_Catholic on 5/19/06


There is more to this teaching then just denying salvation to the rest of the world, the RCC official teaching is that the only valid marriages are those that are performed by a priest. Seems a small point, but if you think it through, that means all the rest of the wrld your parents weren't married and were all bastards.
---mike8384 on 5/19/06


A Catholic: I feel sorry for you, it seems like everyone's attacking your belief. But remember we are just debating our sincere convictions. Instead of seeing youself a victim, or on the defensive, let's chat. Hopefully in the end everyone can gain something from this. (I'm not just talking about this blog, but others)
---Okebaram on 5/19/06


All these questions are serving as lessons in the Catholic Catechism :))
---A_Catholic on 5/19/06


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AC
In questioning the veracity of Scripture, AC seems to discount Christs words saying, Thy word is Truth and His self-description as the embodiment of truth, I am the way, the Truth There is ample evidence in Scripture for the position MOD states ( and I state), but none that says , you can mix and match like a Chinese menu column A & B to create a patchwork Bible, as AC seems to suggest
---John_T on 5/19/06


Moderator said: "Roman Catholic beliefs are a mix of Christianity and paganism." Moderator, you are wrong, very wrong and you are showing that your knowledge about the RCC is very limited.

Moderator - I am very informed and of course the TV program you mentioned isn't going to tell the truth about the mix of Christianity and paganism in the Catholic Church. Their focus in to keep people Catholic not to expose the apostate condition of the Catholic Church.
---A_Catholic on 5/19/06


Elder: your answer is clear, concise, scriptural, and brings understanding to those who will read with an open mind.
---mima on 5/19/06


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