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Was The Star From God Or Satan

Who do you think put the "star" in the sky that directed the wise men to Jesus? Was it God or Satan?

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Markv, you make my day come alive. I mean that statement. I love reading your comments to eloy. I know you are a child of God because a sinner couldn't write the things you write. Keep up the good works brother. You have gotten it down pat to the bone. Love it.
---shira4368 on 1/2/12


Eloy, the only tongues I speak are English and spanish. And they do not blasphem you, they try to correct you. You insist your are not my brother, I except that. Your life has only proven by your words that the first born again you incountered was not good enough, and you lost your family. The second has not changed you much. It has always been about you and about no one else. It also shows you cannot take correction because you believe you are sinless, and without fault. But you are clearly wrong. I hope that God will bring you to real faith, and humble you. Only He can do that. I know I cannot. So I pray that the New Year will bring you faith, hope, and a lot of love, so that you can have peace in your heart and a love for others.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/11


Poppa Bear, brother, I'm glad to hear from you. I had not seen you for a while. I hope your Christmas went great with your family, and hope the New Year brings a lot of blessings and joy to you and family. The temp. here was in the 20's and I was thinking about how cold it must be there where you live. Keep warm, keep answering, keep safe through this times. Blessings and peace to you and family,
---Mark_V. on 12/30/11


Hello Brother Mark. Love will cover a multitude of sins. 7x70. We can only defend ourselves so far, make our view so clear and then we say God bless and move on.
I hope you are doing alright. Our snowfall is about double this year so I have spent many a hour outside clearing snow and thanking the Lord for a strong arm and good health. I know you have a disability, and I do to, so I work around it every minute of every day. Let your light shine brother and love one another.
In His loving grip
---Poppa_Bear on 12/29/11


MarkV, The holy tongue is not able to blaspheme, and this is how I know whom is not of my Father. When I, whom am proven by my life of supernatural works and words that I am from Christ, am dissed by you, then your profession that you love God whole-heartedly and also love me whom am his own is not the truth. "Lip-servers" are not saved and sanctified, but the "Doers" are the Christianed from God: "Why call you all me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? If you all love me, my commandments keep. By this will all know that you all are my disciples, if you all have love one for another."
---Eloy on 12/29/11




Eloy, I love the Lord with all of my heart and also love you even if you say I am not your brother. I also love my daughter and remind her when I disagree with many of her decisions. That does not mean I don't love her. I'm not going to curse her to hell as you do to so many. Yet I still love you. You just don't know what love is. You've been hurt so you don't know how to love. My Father can help you. I will pray to my Father that He does show you how to love and how to forgive.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/11


MarkV, "If a person say, I love God, and hates their brother, that person is a liar: for the one that loves not their brother whom they have seen, how can they love God whom they have not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That the one who loves God love their brother also. If God were your father, you all would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me. The person that is of God hears God's words, you all therefore hear not because you all are not of God."
---Eloy on 12/28/11


Eloy, I'm sorry to hear what you said.

"marv, the date that you posted is not the date when you were born-again, because your words prove that you are not my brother, and you are not born from my Father"

I thought your father was my Father, but you suggest it is not. Now I know why you are not my brother in Christ. Because I'm not born of your father. So that was the reason why I did not see you answering the questions correctly and rediculing everyone who didn't agree with you. You are a self proclaim prophet, who claims to be the light Jesus saw while on the Cross. I just knew there was something to your answers that were not godly. And I can see why you did not answer my questions, you just couldn't.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/11


marv, the date that you posted is not the date when you were born-again, because your words prove that you are not my brother, and you are not born from my Father. You see, all whom are born-again have the same mind of Christ Jesus, and this is how we know whom is of our family and whom is not of our family, for by your antiEloy and antiScripture fruits which you bear clearly manifest that you are not born-again. After you truly become born-again, then and only then can you be a part of the family of Christ. Many say "I am Christian, I am from Christ", but in works they daily deny him, which prove that they are still unregenerate and are sin-filled rather than Spirit-filled.
---Eloy on 12/26/11


Paul, Births are celebrated. "Sing, praise Yhwh, for majestically he has done: this known in all the earth. Before she travailed, she brought forward, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Rejoice you all with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all you all that love her. Note, I bring you glad tidings of great joy, which will be to all people. For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. Your Lord God will you worship, and him only will you serve. Render to all their dues, honor to whom honor. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, honor and glory for ever and ever. A-men." Is.12:5,6+ 28:16+ 66:7,10+ Lk.2:10,11+ Mt.4:10+ Rm.13:7+ I Tm.1:17.
---Eloy on 12/26/11




Why we celebrate birthdays and Christ's birth: "To all a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: a time to weep, and a time to laugh, a time to mourn, and a time to dance. Render therefore to all their dues, honor to whom honor." Blessed be The Daystar, O Immanuel, given to us and shines in our hearts, for God with us: For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. Ecc.3:1,4+ Rm.13:7.
---Eloy on 12/26/11


Where in the bible does it say to celebrate the birth of Jesus, or any other birthday?
---Paul on 12/23/11


Eloy, your wish was granted a long time ago, I was born again April 9th, 1990. That is why I ask you to answer the quesion, but you never did. Also the magi were not magnificent holy man, they were magicians, socerers and astrologers, who followed the stars and knew the events of the stars and predicted what the events meant to them.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/11


MarkV, Thank you. I pray that you and yours come to know Christ, and so enjoy Christ on his birthday.
---Eloy on 12/23/11


Eloy, thank you for your words, they comfort me each day really. I always call my wife to check what you write down, and we go wow. She cannot believe there is such a guy as you. But I tell her there is. Though you answer with such words, I still want to wish you a very safe Christmas and a great New year, peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/11


Jim maybe you can explain to ELOY about JESUS AS A CHILD. I can see he likes to debate everybody.
---bc on 12/23/11


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markv, None are so blind as they whom will not see.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


bc, the english translation "child" or even "man child" in the scriptures many times means an infant or a baby, and it does not in any ways mean a "child in years", nor a "man in many years". As in these scriptures of the first woman giving birth, and of Mary giving birth: "And Adam lay with Animate his wife, which conceived and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man of Yhwh...Before she travailed she brought forth: before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child." Gn.4:1+ Is.66:7.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


Eloy, I see nothing wrong in disagreeing with you when you are wrong. Now you don't want to be wrong because you think you can never be wrong, but most of the time you are. I'm just sorry you don't like for anyone to question what you say. You are not perfect and neither am I, or for that matter no one is but God our Savior. I still have not got an answer from you on other questions, no need to ask again.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/11


markv, Of course you disagree with Eloy, for you are antiChristian and antiChrist, and until you get saved you are driven to disagree always with the truth and the Holy Spirit.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


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Jim, Noticing the star is not the beginning of the birth, nor that Jesus has already been born, but following the star is the leading to where the location of the birth will be. The magi followed the bright Daystar 783 miles to Jerusalem, where it would have taken the magi 6 days if they rode on camels, but only 4 days by ambling horses. Herod having all the children killed from two years and under was not only to destroy baby Jesus, but to keep the Jewish posterity in check. Recall Pharoah in the old testament did the same thing when he ordered all the male children destroyed of the Hebrew babies when he was setting out to destroy baby Moses (ref: Ex.1:7 thru Ex.2:10), which Moses was a type of deliverer which gave us the 10 commandments?
---Eloy on 12/22/11


I disagree with Eloy anology. I believe wrong for he said the magi,(wise man) were rich people and good, but we are told that wise men here means "pyyos magos" meaning, magicians, sorcerers, wise man. Second, wise man came first to Jerusalem (v.2:1) and Herod heard what they were saying and called them to explain to him what was been said about the baby to be born, and they did. The he decided to sent them and they went. And found a baby, and left gifts and went to their homes after been divinely warned. All of this took a lot of time. When they did not return. Herod realized he was deceived according to the time which he had determined from the wise men, made the order to kill children from infants to 2 years old (v. 16).
---Mark_V. on 12/22/11


Jim, Jesus' star did not appear at the instant of his birth, but his star shined before his birth which led to the place where his birth was to be on earth. I believe that the magi who wanted to worship the newborn King were well versed in the holy scriptures and they knew that the Messiah would be born out of Judah according to Micah 5:2,3. And they also knew that 483 years have passed from the Decree to rebuild Ierusalem to the coming of Messiah as prophesied in Daniel 9:25. So when they seen his bight Daystar they knew that it was the long awaited for King.
---Eloy on 12/22/11


A Catholic, Why would go on a Christian blog site and announce that you are a Catholic?
---Jed on 12/21/11


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Eloy...i do not agree with your anology. If the magi waited until they saw the star, how did they travel 783 miles quickly? Jesus had to be between 1-2 yrs. old. otherwise why would Herod have children 2 yrs and younger killed and not just newborn infants.
---JIM on 12/21/11


How did I POST FALSE HOOD? KJV SAYS AT MATT 2:11 "And when into the HOUSE they saw the young CHILD with MARY his mother,and fell down worshipped him:and when they had opened their treasures,they presented unto him gifts,gold, and frankincense,and myrrh.All i was referring to ,is they didn't find him as a INFANT.....
---bc on 12/21/11


bc, you post falsehood which is the misapplication of Mt.2:16. Verse 16 reads that after the magi did not return to the king but instead went back hone, and Joseph and Mariam took their baby Jesus and travelled down into Egypt, that King Herod had all childings put to death of all the newborns up to 2 years old in order to be sure to kill the infant Christ in Bethlehem: "At that time Herod seeing that he was mocked by the magi, was enraged greatly, and sending he put to death all the childlings in Bethlehem and in all the borders of it, of two years old and under, at the time which he exactly asked from the magi." Mt.2:16
---Eloy on 12/21/11


They didn,t see him as a infant,but as a young child about 1 1/2 year old.
---bc on 12/21/11


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The word "Magi" in Matthew has nothing to do with the word "magic", nor does it have anything to do with astrology simply because they followed his bright star. Neither is it from "magistrate", by which some suppose they were kings. But the word "Magi" in Matthew is more related to the word "magnificent", and these were wealthy holy men, indicated by them travelling 783 miles from Persia, Ur and Arabia to Jerusalem in order to "worship" the infant. And the Magi offered the infant Christ special gifts such as an herbalist would possess: these three gifts were sweet odors to honor the heavenly Triune King. Amber represents holy, libani represents power, and sweet myrrh for healing.
---Eloy on 12/21/11


Why would Satan guide people to Jesus?

Most of the early Christian writers say this was a vision given to the Magi personally. You could say this is the same category as an angel, but the point is that only the Magi saw it.

St. Dmitri of Rostov--19th Century Russia, btw--considered they might have seen the star (whatever it might be) at the Annunciation. Plausible, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

I do think it's a fool's errand to try to come up with a natural explanation for it, however, as this was an extraordinary occurrence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/11


while i am no authority on the universe, I do know God made it and controls it. God controls every star, comet, meteor and anything else out there we don't know about yet. I don't think He would allow satan to control even one star.
---shira4368 on 12/19/11


Would it make sense that Satan would lead anyone to Christ?
---trey on 12/19/11


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Oftern angels are referred to as stars in the Bible. When the one angle appeared to the shepherds a great light shown around about them. When that one was joined by a host of the heavenly beings the light must have been intense. This glow would but the northern lights to shame. The wise men far away saw this glow and followed the direction it came from. After leaving Herod a moving star or angel led them to the Christ Child.
---Harold on 12/17/11


The 'wise men' were 'magi' or 'astrologers'- a practice condemned in the Scriptures (Deut.18:10-12, Mt.2:1).

Only the 'astrologers' were reported to have seen the 'star'. If the star had been real it would have been visible, but even Herod had to ask details of its appearance.

This star guided the astrologers first to Jerusalem, to Herod, a mortal enemy of the future Messiah who wanted to kill Jesus. Then the star shifted direction and led the astrologers south to Bethlehem to Jesus, thus placing Jesus life in danger.

Satan is described as using 'lying signs and portents'- 2 Thess.2:19. Only Satan could make astrologers see a starlike object and could jockey that 'star' to lead them to Gods Son, whom he wanted to destroy.
---David8318 on 12/17/11


So it was a star they were following, was it?
The Sun and all the stars rise in the east and set in the west.
So tonight, I would like you to go outside. Look up, pick any star you want.
I would pick one in the east. You might have a fighting chance to stand under it!
Now try to stand under it, and while youre trying to do this, think to yourselves.

Mat 2:9 --and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

Stars, moons, planets, please!
Is it not God, who has taken you this far?
And he will finish what he started!
God bless, Peace
---TheSeg on 12/18/11


Where did the star first take the kings?
---paul on 12/18/11


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Satan does not create stars. It was Jesus Almighty God himself whom put his star in the heavens. The magi said, "Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen HIS star in the east, and are come to worship him. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are on earth: all things were created by him, and for him. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." Mt.2:2+ Col.1:16+ Jn.1:10.
---Eloy on 12/18/11


BOY IF JW'S ARE WRONG ABOUT THE STAR,THEN IT'S BAD NEWS FOR THEM IN THE NEAR FUTURE.JUST THINK, IF WHAT THEY SAY IS TRUE, THEN IT'S BAD NEWS FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE STAR BEING FROM GOD.
---BERNIE on 12/17/11


JoelIV, No problem, Brother, and the sarcasm is well understood. :-)
---Gordon on 12/26/09


Ofcourse it was not Satan. It was God. Even-though Jesus was in the womb of Mary, and He was born, Jesus was also directing the star as to His own birth.
---catherine on 12/23/09


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Gordon,

Srry for the sarcasm, it wasn't directed at you, it was towards the question.
---JoelV. on 12/23/09


JoelIV, I'm not really sure is your response was directed at my last post or not, but, I'll respond as if it was, anyhow. The word "star" is used as a "nick-name", as it were, for both types of angels, holy or evil. So, of course, it would have been a holy angel of GOD, not a fallen angel of Satan's kingdom, who would have been the "Star of Bethlehem".
---Gordon on 12/23/09


Jesus.
~Oh come all you faithful, joyful and triumphant,
oh come you, oh come you to Bethlehem.
Come and behold him, born the king of angels,

Oh come let us adore him, oh come let us adore him,
oh come let us adore him, Christ the Lord.
---Eloy on 12/22/09


Uhhhhh.....


God? Why would satan want to lead the Wise men to give Jesus gifts?
---JoelV. on 12/22/09


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The "Star of Bethlehem" could've been an angel of GOD. Angels are called stars in the Scriptures. In Revelation 12 it tells how Satan, the Red Dragon, drew one-third of the "stars" and cast them to the Earth. Those one-third of "stars" were one-third of GOD's angelic beings who rebelled against GOD and followed Satan. Matthew 2:9 says "When they (3 wise men) had heard the king (Herod), they departed, and, lo, the star which they saw in the east, WENT BEFORE THEM, TILL IT CAME AND STOOD OVER where the young Child was." A celestial star, meteor or comet does not move. Yes, GOD could make these bodies move that way, but, it could've been a bright shining, holy angel guiding the people to the Child.
---Gordon on 12/22/09


According to early Bible commentators, it was a vision given to the Magi by God Himself.

As the Orthodox Church sings about the Nativity of Christ, "By it those who worshipped the stars were taught by a star to worship You, the Sun of Righteousness..."
---Cluny on 12/21/09


People give too much credit to the loser that we tread under our feet.
---Eloy on 12/21/09


The wisemen provided Jesus with very expensive gifts, gifts that would obvioulsy later give Mary and Joseph finacial security for their flee to Egypt.......The Magi obeyed the direction of God's angel when told not to report back to Herod..HEROD was led by Satin's direction who tried to "use" the Magi to carry out his plan, The star was of GOD!
---malisa_mireles on 12/20/09


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satan the creature cannot create stars: Jesus
creates all the stars, and he even created the creature satan: the Lord God Jesus created the destroyer to destroy. Please Read- Genesis 1:16+ Isaiah 54:16.
---Eloy on 4/27/09


God made everything. Satan could not have done anything to the stars. Only God could do that.
---Betty on 4/27/09


Satan never directs ANYTHING. Except people to hell. And by the way, God wants me to warn you people, "Not to baulk at the concept of hell". Hell is real, hell is a literal place, hell is for all unbelievers, And hell is gonna be HELL! Oh, and Satan doesn't want you to know these things.
---catherine on 4/27/09


Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Also, Matthew 28:18, John 1:1-3, 16, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:8.
p.s. Numbers 24:17, Psalms 148:3, Matthew 2:2, 9, 2Peter 1:9, Revelation 22:16.
---Glenn on 4/25/09


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I know God put the "star" in the sky. When He laid the earth's foundation the morning stars sang together (Job 38:7). Jesus said I am the Bright Morning Star (Rev 22:16) Venus, the star of Bethlehem is the Bright morning star. I do think Mercury, the other morning star may repreresent Satan.
---Bruce on 8/29/06


Thanks, Danie and Okebaram! Hey, Jack, from reading some sources at google.com, which I believed the same source that Okebaram used, and from Danie's input, finding scientific explanations to the origin of the Star in Bethlehem is never fruitless. Although the easiest path to take is to accept that "God put the star there", still, trying to find a way through many sources of information is quite exciting!
---bebeth on 5/26/06


Say, did anyone here wonder *WHY* these Magi decided it was time to look for the Messiah in Israel? I believe they had access to records or just 'word of mouth' passed down from earlier 'Magi' who were living during the time of the prophet DANIEL in captivity; who certainly knew Messiah was coming (look at Daniel chapter 9). Though Gentiles, maybe they were part of a small group that revered Daniel's teaching and believed in the God of Israel.
---danie9374 on 5/25/06


Okebaram: Have you turned away from those J.W. doctrines to a true Biblical faith in the death and resurrection of Messiah (having the same eternal nature as God the Father) to save you? PTL if so!
_If_ (may not have been any!) any natural phenomenon was observed by the Magi in their own country, it certainly wasn't what led them to a specific house in Bethlehem.
---danie9374 on 5/25/06


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danie9374, it was the Jehovah's Witnesses. they still teach that actively. Bebet, I heard that the star was actually an alignment of planets. Science shows that on that day there would have been a major phenomenom where jupiter, Saturn and I think mars lined up and would have looked like a bright star in the sky. Also they said "jupiter" was called the King planet, and saturn was called the gurad of palestine, so the phenomenom kind of said the king is coming to palestine...
---Okebaram on 5/22/06


Thank you, Danie9374! I agree with you that it was not a natural star. But being in science, I always consider that God would work within the context that won't defy the physical laws that He has already made. It might be a comet...But it was too bright and too close... well, I have to go back to the bible and study it further, thanks.
---bebet3754 on 5/20/06


(3) Note that in Luke 2:8 ff., an angel was directing some shepherds to worship Jesus! It may have even been this same angel who lead the Magi to Israel. We can't know for sure if it was an angel, but it def. was not a natural star; nor any other natural phenomena that I've studied in Astronomy or observing the heavens on various mountain peaks.
---danie9374 on 5/20/06


(2) This is *not* a natural "star"! Why did the Magi first go to Jerusalem? Because that's where they expected someone who would be 'King of the Jews' to be found! They were later directed by God (v.12) in a dream not to return to Herod. So, no, God wanted them there and He's the One who used this special light to direct them to the house. What was it? Either a miraculous light sustained by God Himself for this purpose, or possibly an angel. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/20/06


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(1) What does Scripture say about this? Mt.2:9 "After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, WENT ON BEFORE THEM UNTIL it CAME AND STOOD OVER the place WHERE the Child was." No star in space can ever 'stand directly over some particular house on earth!' And if the Magi had simply followed some 'line of sight' from their country east of Israel, how could that lead them to a house in Bethlehem which is almost directly *south* of Jerusalem?! [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/20/06


Okebaram: What denomination was that?

It's obviously not one that encourages reading through all of the Scriptures so you can see what God said in full context! See my next posts which describe what/who this "star" really is.
---danie9374 on 5/20/06


I believe God used a celestial phenomena to create "the star". But I was taught as a child by my former denomination that Satan put the star there so that the wise men would lead Herod to Jesus and Herod would kill Him.

bebet, I agree.
---Okebaram on 5/19/06


John ... Did you not see A Catholic's smiler?
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/19/06


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John, it's a general rule on here that anything supernatural that happens to Catholics is from Satan. Besides, you missed to read the smiley which I think I put in my post.
---A_Catholic on 5/19/06


A Catholic. I would be interested in seeing the difference between the protestant and catholic Bibles on this. Can you reply with writting us the verse that says Satan sent the star? Thanks.
---john on 5/19/06


The ancient NT commentators say that it was a "noetic star," that is, a vision given only to the Magi themselves.

This is one reason why I feel that trying to find scientific explanations for the Star of Bethlehem (while it's good people are relating science to faith) will be fruitless.
---Jack on 5/19/06


The phrase "who put the star" seems to connote that the star is placed in the sky just like putting a decoration on a christmas tree or putting some decor on the wall! It is more complicated than that! You would APPRECIATE GOD MORE if you would try to study how nature works.
---bebet3754 on 5/19/06


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I read somewhere years ago that the star was an eclipse of a planet and the sun. But how can mere mortals 2000 years later know such things.
---David on 5/19/06


Okebaram You do not need our answers to this. Just ask yourself - who put the stars in the sky - every single one? If you don't know the answer, read the bible from the very beginning. You will not have to read for too long before you get your answer. Bruce5656, I agree.
---f.f. on 5/19/06


Why would it be Satan???
---Donna2277 on 5/19/06


My Book said God created all things then rested on the seventh day. If He created all things, Satan can only use or pervert what God has created... Anyway, logically why would Satan guide believers to Jesus (via the star)?
---mikefl on 5/18/06


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That is one of the stangest questions I have seen here and there have been some strange questions!
---Bruce5656 on 5/18/06


The star mentioned in the Protestant Bible is from God. The start mentioned in the Catholic Bible is by Satan :))
---A_Catholic on 5/18/06


God created the heavens and the earth! including the stars!
---eliza4969 on 5/18/06


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