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What is one to believe when one Christian faith says infants should be baptized (Luther, Calvin) and another says it is wrong and unbiblical (Baptists, Evangelicals)?

Moderator - I believe we are living in the end-time Apostate Church era and that we should be very careful to follow the Bible not a person or denomination.

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Some issues will never be resolved during our lifetime. After reading most of the comments a few things came to mind. When Paul used "I" he was giving a personal opinion. My opinion is there are many religions, churches, doctrines, bibles, and etc.. Made up of many nationalities observing scripture, man made rules and regulations. Taught by pastors, priests, laymen, etc.. Raised from infants to believe their religion is the only true religion. Different Gods, Saviors, and versions of the Holy Spirit. After one departs from this world they will find out the truth. I put my trust in Jesus! This subject is definitely worth praying about!
---Bob on 2/4/09


Bryan* I'm a born again Christian, I do believe that later in life it is an individuals decision to be rededicated with baptism.

Why when scripture tolds us, there is one baptism(Ephesians 4:5)

Why are you so concerned with water baptism?

Because Peter tells us,"Whwhereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1 Peter 3:21)

What about praying to rosaries (idolatry)?

Says who?

What about calling the Pope Holy Father? There is only one Father!

The same verse tells us not to call anyone Teacher, I guess you didn't in your High Schools days!

Why do 85+% of Catholics not even read the bible? Denomination is division!

Why didn't you when you were a Catholic?
---Ruben on 2/4/09


I'm a born again Christian, and there isn't anything in the bible that says a baby can't be baptized. In the scriptures when families would get saved, the entire family was baptized, kids and all. I do believe that later in life it is an individuals decision to be rededicated with baptism. As far as Catholism is concerned, I am 100% against Roman Catholism. I used to be Catholic until Jesus saved me. Why are you so concerned with water baptism? What about praying to the saints (us)? What about praying to rosaries (idolatry)? What about bowing and kissing the hand of the Pope (blasphemy...false worship)? What about calling the Pope Holy Father? There is only one Father! Why do 85+% of Catholics not even read the bible? Denomination is division!
---Bryan on 2/4/09


babies cant comprehend anything much less the gospel. and it takes comprehension and faith to be saved.

however, a baby can be dedicated unto God and raised in Christian beliefs until they come to the place of comprehension and faith.

the apostle Paul said that spouses and children are sanctified by a believing spouse. presumably because the believing spouse prays for them.
---opalgal on 12/13/08


amazing...Catholics are Christians.
Why would someone declare falsehoods against Christians in a denomination?
Forgive me for Worshiping Jesus our Lord and God in my Catholic Church.
But, Jesus did say that where ever 2 or 3 come together in my name, There I am with them!

So no one can say bad things against Christians worshiping Jesus in a Catholic church or any denomination for that manner.
---paul on 12/8/08




Baptism (Baptizo) to baptize is to wash oneself, be washed, with water in token of purificaton from sin and from spiritual pollution.
Baptism in those days was a public declaration that the Chrisian thus giving his testimony for Christ was willing to die for Christ following those who indeed became victims of persecution unto death.
Without the resurrection of Christ and the Christian hope (Jesus Christ) being a reality, such a baptism even unto death would be a mockery. We are indentified with, as the Israelites were indentified with the work and purpose of Moses ( 1 Cor. 10:2).
So a person has to be born again of the Spirit with faith in Jesus Christ first in order to make such a committment.
---MarkV. on 11/22/08


Ruben~ Yes, they Claim they are going by the Bible only, but a true child of God can discern if they truly are or not.
---Anne on 11/21/08


Is this issue one that involves either our soteriology or Christian walk?

Is it not simply matter of interpretation and tradition?

Why should anyone care as long as one has been born of the Spirit and baptized with Him in His death?

Ro 6:3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one bodyJews or Greeks, slaves or freeand all were made to drink of one Spirit.

My church believes that the Old Covenant ritual of circumcision was replaced by the New Covenant ritual of water baptism.

And yes, I can understand the view that adult baptism can serve as a witness of ones faith.
---Lee1538 on 11/21/08


The Moderator made an excellent comment, and yes this is a time to be extra diligent to the words of God.
---Anne on 11/20/08

All 4 groups that are mention in the question all say that they are going by the bible only!
---Ruben on 11/21/08


It is called a Macvah in Hebrew and one should only observe this with full understanding as to why it is done. In performing a Macvah, which at one time,and stell today, was done naked as a sing of trancparince to YHWH.(I prefuer to be modest,)One is making a covenant with YHWH to follow Him the rest of your life, things of this nater are not to be entered into lightly or with out understanding the deepth of ones choues, we are tould that one that became a beliver in Messiah would thin go throu with the emursion, which should be done with two or moore witnesses but no one should hold thim under, this must be done on ones own, no one should, or can make this desision for us.
---Aharon on 11/21/08




Phil the Elder:-"There are still some true Christians .Truth is always greater than assumptions.
---Mic on 11/21/08


This should be titled: Is Baptism by sprinkling or immersion correct? In my life, I was baptized by sprinkling as a baby since I was raised in the Methodist church. Later, when I was 18 I attended a Christian College since I felt I wanted to become a missionary. At the college I attended they believed in baptism by full immersion, some of my professors even believed that you were not truly saved unless you were baptized in this way. I was only 18 at the time and I feared for my soul, so yes, I did become baptized by full immersion. Baptism is mostly a symbol of our new walk with Christ, to put behind sin, and live for God. Water baptism is not required to get into heaven, but to be baptized by the Holy Spirit is the true way.
---Anne on 11/21/08


Paul is right

It is very sad that the question became titled as it is.
---alan_of_UK on 11/21/08


The Moderator made an excellent comment, and yes this is a time to be extra diligent to the words of God.
---Anne on 11/20/08


Christians are Catholic too..It is the same

And Baptists, Protestants, Lutherans, evangelicals etc..

One God One Jesus One Lord Our King!
Praise God! Amen
---paul on 11/20/08


Betty baptism of children and infants was normative by the 2nd century CE. When a head of household was converted all members of his family and slaves were baptized as well including children and infants.

The concept of Believers Only Baptism has be Heresy in Protestantism since the early 1500's when the Anabaptist were expelled from Geneva, Switzerland for advocating it.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/26/08

God bless you Elder.
Maybe they will believe you since you are not Catholic.
---Nicole on 10/26/08


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Betty baptism of children and infants was normative by the 2nd century CE. When a head of household was converted all members of his family and slaves were baptized as well including children and infants.

The concept of Believers Only Baptism has be Heresy in Protestantism since the early 1500's when the Anabaptist were expelled from Geneva, Switzerland for advocating it.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/26/08


The Bible says to repent and then be babtised
a child cannot repent so thee for it is wrong fo a priest to babtise ababy same thing with an adult it says to emerge not springle
---Betty on 10/26/08


Please stop this.
What kind of title is this topic.

Catholic or Christians.
They are the same thing!

Why don't you say?
Baptists or Christians.
Church of God or Christians.
Nondeminoation or Christians.

They are the same as Catholics or Christians.
We have complained about this before.

A Christian is anyone who believes Jesus is his or her Savior!
---Nicole on 10/25/08


Repentance comes before baptism
---mike on 10/25/08


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2. Yet, Ishmael was a stranger to the covenant, while Isaac was the heir of the promise. Yet one of them will take up his inheritance with God, and the other will sell his birthright for a morsel of meat. Isaac was given to his parents by the Lord. This is a grave distinction, and marks off the true child of God from him who is only so by profession. The question for everyone is; how were you converted? Was it by yourself, by the persuasion of men, by carnal excitement,
---Lupe2618 on 9/15/08


you don't have to believe those that say they are Catholics or Christians.
You have to believe Christ and the Gospel....in doing so all barriers are broken/ denominations etc....all are one in Christ with the faith and belief in what our Lord has done for us!
Be thankful and gracious ...and stop putting up walls and casting stones...stop the dissension and get on with the LOVE~COMPASSION~CHARITY~HOPE!
God bless each and everyone of you!
Vincent, did you go to high school in California?
---Lisa on 8/17/07


Can Babies Meet the Conditions Preceding Baptism?

Bible reveals a person must do certain things before being baptized.
(Acts 10:34,35, Rom. 2:11),there are not two sets of prerequisites- one for babies one for adults.
A. Before Baptism One Must Hear and Understand the Gospel.
Mark 16:15,16 -
John 6:44,45 - No one can come to Jesus without being taught from the Father.
B. Before Baptism One Must Believe the Gospel.
Mark 16:15,16 - the baptized must first believe the gospel
---Andrea on 8/16/07


.emcee, you sometimes say that you "shudder" at Christian's words, I pray that you shudder even much more to the point of seeing Jesus Christ as your God, and humbling yourself to his radiant holiness and his majesty glory, whom alone is worthy of all of our worship and all of our praise. Hallelujah to the Lord our God, in whom there is no spot nor blemish, perfect and above reproach, from everlasting to everlasting, he alone is God.
---Eloy on 8/16/07


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.emcee, no, Jesus did not come from Mary, he came from the Holy Ghost, and he originated long before he created Mary.
---Eloy on 8/16/07


Mary bows to Jesus Christ, the King of glory! EVERYTHING has changed since Jesus assended into heaven. Catholic's are living in the past. They want to think of Jesus as that little helpless baby that needs His mother. Not so, at all! Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. He is at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Mary is in the grave and will be raised on the last day, just like other believers in Christ. Amen
---aformer_Catholic on 8/15/07


A Roman Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands has proposedA Roman Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands has proposed people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding

and the pope does not have a problem with evolution
you tell me? people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding

you tell me?
---Andrea on 8/15/07


Mary's creator (Jesus) needs no support. God allowed Mary to bear a son (Jesus) for His purpose, and Mary was created by the Father, son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The Catholic founders will answer to God for leading many from the truth. They actually think that Jesus answers to Mary, or that Mary refers messages and prayers to Jesus. Vastly distorted! CATHOLICS ARE BLIND AND DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO SEK THE TRUTH. They follow the ways of fools. Sorry, must tell the truth. I was Catholic.
---Vincent on 8/15/07


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Mary's creator (Jesus) needs no support. God allowed Mary to bear a son (Jesus) for His purpose, and Mary was created by the Father, son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The Catholic founders will answer to God for leading many from the truth. They actually think that Jesus answers to Mary, or that Mary refers messages and prayers to Jesus. Vastly distorted! CATHOLICS ARE BLIND AND DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO SEEK THE TRUTH. They follow the ways of fools. Sorry, must tell the truth. I was Catholic.
---Vincent on 8/15/07


He saved Her from the very beginning of conception.
---Caring on 8/15/07


1) Emcee stated: Then Helen if you want to find Marys saviour Jesus look through her like a magnifying Glass & you will find HIM, her saviour & her Lord.

Emcee...your statement implies that Jesus is STILL in Mary's womb...BUT...He has already been born. He is not HIDDEN in her to be sought out, but she as well as the rest of the believers are HIDDEN with Christ in God.
---Holly4jc on 8/14/07


2) Emcee:

Colossians 3:3-4

For you died, and your life is HIDDEN with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Mary died and she also is HIDDEN with Christ in God. We DO NOT look through Mary to find Jesus. He is not "MIA aka Missing in Action", we can go directly to HIM and if we seek HIM we shall find HIM.
---Holly4jc on 8/14/07


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3) Emcee: When Jesus died on the cross and the veil that separated men from entering the "Holy of Holies" was torn, God did not replace that veil with Mary! We can go DIRECTLY to God the Father, through Jesus. The veil is torn, there is no longer a barrier between us and the Lord...that was the whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross.
---Holly4jc on 8/14/07


4) Emcee:

2 Corinthians 3:14b-15:

For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the VEIL IS TAKEN AWAY IN CHRIST. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

2 Corinthians 3:16

Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
---Holly4jc on 8/14/07


and she mentions her Savior here too.

Why would someone born without sin - need a Savior. Could it be that like Abraham she was used of God Blessed of God and honored by all bc of her obedience to God.
Truly she was a wonderful person whom we can emulate but like Abraham we should not worship her or pray to her.
---Andrea on 8/14/07


Emcee - ("did not the Blessed Virgin say "My soul doth Magnify the lord"?") -- Yes, Mary did say that. Shame that you do not say the same thing.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/07


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Emcee does your faith in God rest on your belief about Mary?
---Andrea on 8/13/07


Agree with you, Patti. Sometimes when "real" enemies emerge, brothers quit squabbling over trivial matters and unite.
---Dan1724 on 8/13/07


Helen:: You brazenly add to 1Cor 11:24why do you do this can you not tell the truth.I shudder to think how you can be so ---- even I refuse to say the word.Shame Helen.
---Emcee on 8/13/07


Helen:: Again you fabricate. Did not Jesus come from Mary as was Almighty Gods plan? did not the Blessed Virgin say "My soul doth Magnify the lord"?Then Helen if you want to find Marys saviour Jesus look through her like a magnifying Glass & you will find HIM, her saviour & her Lord.Dont decieve Carol with your words.
---Emcee on 8/13/07


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I was baptized as a child.
I am also born again.
I worship Jesus Christ in the Catholic church.
What makes you think all Catholics are not born again.
Jesus is Jesus..there is only one. Him.
Glorify Him always in all you do.
WE gather together in His name. And He said when that happens, He is truly there!
---Lisa on 8/13/07


Jesus commanded all to be baptized, and none to be excluded. The only thing man offers or can impart in baptism is his whole undone self obeying the command, God is the one who does all the supernatural converting and sanctifying, not the undone clay of man nor clay of infant nor clay of woman. Please read Ezekiel 36:23-28, I Corinthians 7:14.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


There's nothing to the contrary excluding infants in scripture, but actually reads that all the households were baptized, including infants. The great commission instructs us that ALL should be baptized, again God's grace is for all the family. Matthew 28:19, Luke 3:21. I know certain religions deny baptism and communion to people, but Jesus spoke sharply against that. Please read Matthew 23:13, Luke 18:15-17.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


In the Bible whole families and children were baptized on the same day. Baptism originally is a family affair which is all-inclusive, after the family heard the gospel message, customarily the whole family got baptized. Please read Acts 2:38-41, 16:15,32,33, Luke 18:15-17.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


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God's instruction is for ALL to be baptized to be a part of God's family, he did not say, only adults or only those who understand. He said All, that's all inclusive. We are not to lean upon our own understanding or analysis, for as the heavens are higher then the earth so are his ways higher than our ways. God gave the promise of blessing to Abraham AND to all of his children, it's not just for Abraham or the adults who understand.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


Baptism is included in salvation, not excluded. When Christ commands you to be baptized, then we should obey him. He is the Lord. When he commands you to repent, or confess your sins, or to sacrifice yourself, or to share your faith, or to do the works of Christ, then we should obey him, for all obedience is included in salvation. We must obey all of his commands, and not pick nor choose which command we merely desire to do.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


Baptism saves. Mark 16:16, I Peter 3:20,21.
---Eloy on 8/13/07


dave read
GET A THERAPIST!!!!!
---Andrea on 8/13/07


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We are to follow no denomination that alters from the Word of God. Not all bibles are from God. Example: Satanic Bible and Catholic Bible. The Satanic Bible should be avoided for obvious reasond and the Catholic Bible contains some lies and miss representations. The King James Bible is the way to go. As far as infant baptism, it's useless. When I was Catholic I was baptized as an infant. When I left the RCC at 37 years old I got Born Again and really baptized. There's a difference.
---Shaun on 8/13/07


maybe some Catholics do talk about The Blessed Mother all the time...but many talk about Jesus more. But just because the speak often of her, doesn't mean they put her first or above Jesus in anyway shape or form.
However many like myself know Jesus is the focus of he church.without Him there is no church.
Sp please don't lump all Catholics together...by saying they all do this. That is very narrow minded.
---Lisa on 8/13/07


The Bible does say not to judge others. I am not a Catholic. If you are critizing the Catholic Church then you better look at your own church. We are to love each other. Jesus said this. Why should we fight about how we believe? This is exactly what satan wants. You are playing into his hands by arguing about who does what for whatever reason. We have many religions so each of us can find Christ in our own way. There aren't going to be just Catholics or Baptists in heaven.
---Patti on 8/13/07


3/... John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever BELIEVES in Him should not perish but have everlasting life". (Jesus' finished work on the Cross for sin).
---Helen_5378 on 6/29/06


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2/... 1 Corinthians 11:25 "In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in REMEMBRANCE of Me." (In remembrance of Jesus' precious Blood poured out on the Cross in His atoning Sacrifice for sin).
---Helen_5378 on 6/29/06


MaryLouise - 1 Corinthians 11:24 "and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, 'Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in REMEMBRANCE of Me" (in remembrance of His body broken on the Cross for us). (continued...)
---Helen_5378 on 6/29/06


And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. Ac 16:33

The writings of the early Church supports this:

"The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit." Origen, 248 AD
---augusta on 6/28/06


Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2:38-39)


Says here children included and it says nothing about an age restriction.
---augusta on 6/28/06


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Carol - If the catholics are Christ-centered like you said, then how come they talk just about all the time about Mary?
---Helen_5378 on 6/28/06


Carol - Do you realise that the RCC still believes that people can pay for someone to go to heaven. Nothing has changed over it's history of 1500 years. The sale of indulgences was a major reason that Martin Luther came out of the RCC. Also Christian and Catholic have two entirely different meanings.
---Helen_5378 on 6/28/06


to mary louise if you as a catholic say you are not deceived how would you know? the real scriptures say that the whole world will be deceived in the last days except for the very elect. who are they? the very elect are those who have the true names of the Son and the Father written in their forheads! since you have absolutely no idea who they are, i conclude you are deceived! as is every one who does not yada yahuweh and yahushua!!
---dave on 6/28/06


"Do you know the people believed they could pay for someone who already died to go to heaven."

I think you're referring to indulgences. An indulgence is not a "get out of hell free card" as the state of a person's soul is sealed at death. Indulgences are remission of the punishment still due after the guilt has been forgiven. Martin Luther revolted against the Church because he felt some in the the Church were abusing indulgences.
---augusta on 6/28/06


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A Christian believes that Jesus is the way the truth, and the life and that no man comes to the Father but by him. Catholics have been falsly told Mary has something to do with salvation. or that the pope is the vicar of Christ (takes the place of Christ) WRONG!!! surest way to hell is thinking anything other than Jesus will get you to heaven--catholics are NOT Christians
---r.w. on 6/28/06


RIGHT MODERATOR!! WE ARE!! BUT MORE DECEPTIVE THAN COULD EVER BELIEVE! IF YOU DO NOT LOVE TRUTH PAUL SAID, YOU WOULD BE DECEIVED! TRUTH IS: WORD JESUS DID NOT EXIST PRIOR TO 14TH CENTURY! angel did not call him jesus! real messiah is Yahushua! name means yahuweh saves!Father's name Yahuweh means I exist and cause all existence christ is greek! name of sungod!!worse, also greek num.cxz=666! title god is teutonic! means sex! spelt ghode!! ! think!
real truth not religious lies!!
---dave_read on 6/28/06


I have been reading what you all have to say and Iam stunned. First of all, ,Catholics are Christians. The reason Martin Luther turned away from them is because the people had no rights as far as religion goes. They were not allowed to read the Bible so everything they learned was what the Pope chose for them to know.,regardless if it was Biblical or not. Do you know the people believed they could pay for someone who already died to go to heaven. But even so the Catholics are Christ centered
---carol on 6/28/06


Infants do not need to be baptized. They are not of an age to be accountable for sins. Should one die it would go to heaven. Baptism itself does not get anyone to heaven. The ONLY way to heaven is to repent of your sins, and ask Jesus to be your Lord and Savior. After receiving Jesus, Baptism is a public way to show your are dead to your old life, washing away your sin and arisen in Christ.
---Terry on 6/28/06


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Being baptised is showing you believe and are obediant to the Lord. The submersion is as burial and the coming out of water as being raised in the newness of life. Those who are too young to know anything cannot possibly repent, know what they believe and follow in obediance. Infant baptism removes the neccessity of hearing, obtaining a fear of the Lord, obediance and stepping forth in faith to be baptised.
---Shari on 6/26/06


Helen::Who has put that idea into your head,- taking the Blessed Eucharist is Cannabalism. You see this is what comes from listening to edited Bible. That is False & words uttered by Jesus are NOT False. You talk about Faith where is it? that faith you claim.Neither Pagan -I dont care any foreign angel came & said it was true, I would tell him you also, have no faith & therefore you are not Whole.This is real food To nourish you Jesus said himself.He who believes will have life EVERLASTING.
---Emcee on 6/25/06


"A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks WITHOUT DISCERNING THE BODY, eats and drinks judgment [damnation] on himself." 1 Cor 11:28-29

"Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord." 1 Cor. 11:27 [commits sacrilege].

"The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? . . . 1 Cor 10:16
---MaryLouise on 6/25/06


"you are really saying that you EAT Jesus" ~ Helen

I'm curious, Helen, what do you think Jesus means in John 6:55 when He says: "My flesh is REAL FOOD and my Blood REAL DRINK"? Do you think Jesus was lying?

"Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood. . . "

He told us to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, so I do! Amen.

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---MaryLouise on 6/25/06


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Helen, you don't know me, yet it seems you have decided that I'm heading to hell for believing what the Church has passed on through these 2000 years.

Thanks anyway, but I follow the Catholic Church with her 2000 years of Apostolic teaching, Scripture and Tradition.

I love and worship Jesus. I am "born again." I read my Bible. I honor the Blessed Mother. But, I do not believe as you do.

Moderator - The Catholic Church didn't begin until the 5th century. That's 1,500 years not 2,000.

And notice, please, I have not judged you. "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
---MaryLouise on 6/25/06


MaryLouise - The "Jesus" you talk about is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Galatians 1:8,9 says that if anyone brings another gospel LET HIM BE ACCURSED. They are very dire words coming from the mouth of God.
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


MaryLouise - If you really KNEW Jesus, you would not claim what you are claiming. When you talk about eating His flesh, you are really saying that you EAT Jesus. That is cannabilism. That is what it comes down to. You are taking one pet Scripture that you have been taught wrongly on and sticking to that, without even looking further afield in God's Word to see the truth.
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


MaryLouise - When you say that YOU went to mass, YOU took the eucharist, you are focusing on what YOU DID. Jesus takes no notice of what you DO.... that is works. "It is by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast". (Ephesians 2:7,8). Salvation is a FREE gift from God, and God even supplies the faith necessary to believe ("and that not of yourselves").
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


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MaryLouise - I said TURN TO JESUS and you turned right around and informed me that you go to mass and you receive the eucharist. Mass is mass and the eucharist is the eucharist. Neither of them are Jesus. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven, having finished His work on the Cross for the payment of the sins of mankind, and Jesus wants you to BELIEVE that He did that on the Cross for you. He does not want you to do anything, just believe.
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


Augusta - How do you figure the RCC is the only true church when it did not come into being some 400 years after Jesus ascended back to heaven. And also Jesus is the Rock - you should know that from your Bible.
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


MaryLouise - What does John 3:16 mean to you personally? ("For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life").
---Helen_5378 on 6/25/06


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