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Is Church For Conviction Or Fun

Is church not an attempt to set an "atmosphere" for conviction?

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 ---mima on 5/19/06
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Atmosphere perhaps. But something is very amiss in the churches of today. Few are truly being saved. since Jesus Christ is the only person that can save you, all God's preachers can do is preach the gospel which leads to salvation. That's it.
---catherine on 5/9/07


Jesus said the Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin, not the church. The church should be a hospital for Christians to come and get healed and filled with the Word of God, and for fellowship. The word does convict, but few unbelievers are in church these days. Another question is: Did you get saved because you went to church or BEFORE you went to a church? I got saved at an apartment rental agency.

Moderator - I would disagree as most of the people that attend church today are unbelievers; not believers.
---Donna9759 on 5/9/07


You make a lot of sense Jack--very smart man I gather :)
---Mary on 10/19/06


None of the above. The purpose of the assembly is WORSHIIP.
---Jack on 6/11/06


Service or "church" is a time for the Lord, not a party time, the fun atmosphere, can be for afterwards, lunch or something, but we shouldn't be straight faced, boring, we can relax,smile, but still remebmre it is the Lords house we dwell in ,not our house.
---olivia on 6/11/06




The building is a corporate place for assembly.the church building is a place where you encourage one another,hear the word of God corporately,it,s a place where people lost may come to receive the word.the word of God convicts.God has set the stage.not man
---tom2 on 6/11/06


Thank you Okebaram, I don't think you need any help from me just now but maybe in the future. Some times we do carry something that holds us back from working for Christ. We run into so many things and obsticles and they take our focus away from God. We are one body and we should feel for one another. I feel for others very much. Like Alan, I have had my focus away by statements from another brother here, and I also need to put it behind me. As for the question of the church, Tommy answered very well.
---karen on 5/23/06


Karen, the psychologist!
---Okebaram on 5/22/06


worship, and fellowship. yes to your question but so is every other place. it lifes situations, and circumstances when you make a choice that fails to line up with the word of god that the holy spirit convicts you about. the atmosphere for conviction should be a life style not a place.
---tom on 5/21/06


Alan, I believe that talking about it now was great. Why keep going on and on when you can put it behind you. Praise God. I live in California and from here I could notice something was bothering you. I am glad that you made your point and thankful for the moderator for apologizing. They are absolutely awesome in their studies and knowledge of Scripture. Now I must get back to answering Nurseroberts on his comments on another blog, bye, get well soon.

Moderator - Thanks Karen :)
---karen on 5/21/06




The first two statements in Tommy's answer rang true to my spirit,
---mima on 5/21/06


Moderator ... Thank you, I have no quarrel with you. I had one time when various people (or were they just one?) were spreading lies about me, and you would not publish my response, but that is in the past.

Moderator - :)
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/20/06


The church is NOT meant to be either. It is to be a place for the education and equipping of the saints to go out and fulfill the Great Commission. Often we can find ourselves under conviction because we know we are not in full "performance" of our gifts in a particular time, but, we confess and repent then go on and do what we are to be doing. There are many people in churches everywhere who claim to be christians, but, their lives don't agree with their confession.
---tommy3007 on 5/20/06


There is a good story to show the lack of true christians. It has something to do with a prayer meeting happening in another country that percecutes Christians, so it is being held in secret. Many attend, but a couple military men bust in with their guns and tell them... "all those who believe in Christ, stay here, the rest can leave" So, fearing their lives, all but one or two stay, and once the rest are gone, the men say. Good now that all the nonChristians are gone we can join you in prayer.
---chris on 5/20/06


Karen ... I have nothing against the Moderators, and hope they have nothing against me. I am sure they do not have Popish claims to be infallible. I hope you do not think that I should conceal the facts about church members over here, not that I should withold my opinions about issues.
I thought the point of this site was to share views, but maybe I am wrong.

Moderator - I believe the point Karen made isn't that you disagree at times, but it is the manner is which you disagree which could lead one to think that you may have a bone to pick specifically with the Moderators. Alan, if any of the Moderators have offended you I take personal responsibility and ask for your forgiveness on behalf of all.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/20/06


Karen ... I disagree with the Moderators on some issues, because I have other views. In many cases I agree. In this case, I can only go by what I see among my fellow Christians, and the churches here, where the majority of attenders are real Christians. Do you expect me to lie about that? Do you not want to hear of what happens in other countries and other cultures?
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/20/06


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As concerns the great commission I believe the church to be a "safe" place. Instinctively it is our nature to seek safe places and the church serves The average Christian in this matter very well. Little soulwinning is accomplished in churches, if for no other reason than the safe, satisfied condition most churchgoers imagined themselves to be in.
---mima on 5/20/06


2. against the moderators and are letting it effect you when you answer. I believe you should bring it out and then let it go. What happens is that your thinking will not come from God but from you. I believe the moderators are awesome in their answers. I know they don't agree with me in every detail but I am happy I am not far or else I would have to question who is right and who is wrong. Maybe with you they didn't agree on something but don't let it go so far that it effects your work for the Lord.
---karen on 5/20/06


Brother Alan, forgive me for saying what I am going to say to you. I have read your post many times and what I have noticed is that you have a conflict with the moderators. Let me explain, I have a son, and every time I would say something, he was always against what I said. He continued for a long time. One day I asked him and he told me what was in his heart. I asked him to forgive me if I hurt him in anyway. Since then we have a great relationship. What I see is that you have something
---karen on 5/20/06


The purpose of Chrisian worship has been to adore and glorify God. It was GOD centered, not man centered (as has become now with liturtainment). The principal act of adoration and thanks and glorification of God took place at the Eucharist (Communion/Lord's Supper/Whatever name you use).

"I didn't get anything out of it" or "I was blessed" seem to be the two poles of judging a service.

The real question should be "Was this service acceptable in God's sight?"
---Jack on 5/19/06


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Rebecca ... you may say "I agree with the Moderator, most people go to church so they can say they belong to a church" but that does not happen here. I would rather judge myself what my worshipping freinds believe rather thast what Moderator says about them, when he has never met them.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/19/06


The Church at Laodidea in Rev. 3 is a church of the end time condition. Notice, the Judge is standing at the door and knocking. If He had access to the heart, He wouldn't be on the outside knocking. These are people who are in churches today, unsaved, untouched by the Word, because they have heard it for a long time. They don't realize their condition, they think they are safe. 2ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
---Debbie on 5/19/06


It sounds like Okebaram is after a raise!!! :))
---A_Catholic on 5/19/06


Rebecca D: most of what you say, I agree with, except for the "time for fun-just before the service"????? If the church would be in the alters interceeding before the service, we would see a lot more of the power of God moving IN our services. That's the way Christians used to do, and that's why they saw the things they saw, things that some of our grown children or even US have never seen
---T.S. on 5/19/06


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Side note: The Moderator has been perfectly correct in statements I've seen, no matter the topic.
---Okebaram on 5/19/06


Moderator, I do agree with you here, you are ABSOLUTELY 100% Correct on this one:

Mod-It would stand to reason that if one believes we are living in the end-time that the church is apostate. The major condition for the end-times is the church will be apostate which allows the Anti-Christ to be ushered in. I have been to most major denominations and I would guess that only 10 to 15% of the people that go to church are truly Christians; they just think they are Christian.
---Donna9759 on 5/19/06


church shouldn't be boring. It is okay to have good clean fun in church but there is a time for that maybe right before service. If the people in the church let God move freely in them, then there will be conviction on the sinners. I agree with the Moderator, most people go to church so they can say they belong to a church. If Jesus were to walk in some church, people now a days wouldn't reconize him and tell him to leave because he isn't a member.
---Rebecca_D on 5/19/06


Donna and Alan,
wake up from your naiveness and listen to the moderator. I grew up in Nigeria where the commitment of Christians is far higher on average that in UK or the USA, and where it could be costly in some parts. Even there, you'll find false Christians in church (that is what Moderator means by "unbelievers"). If you are surrounded by saved people, thank God, but the majority of Christians all over the world are still uncommited.
---Okebaram on 5/19/06


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2. I pray that the church WOULD BECOME an atmosphere for conviction- on "church" people. They have become so wrapped up in chasing wealth, they're turning a deaf ear to the convicting voice of the Holy Spirit. It's a very dangerous place when we look at the "church" today and say "I'm OK, you're Ok, everybody's OK, God understands our 'faults', all we need is more prosperity. Prosperity proves the level of annointing in my life" -(I wish I could spell a puking sound!)
---T.S. on 5/19/06


I agree with moderator 100%. If everyone in church WERE saved, TRULY SAVED, born again, changed, the Holy Spirit working in and through them, then why are so many just occupying a pew, laps filled with their bible, the latest book their 'Pastor' wrote, a set of highlighters, and notepad, obsessed with learning all they can about "the 7 steps to prosperity" (or whatever title they're giving that same old self-centered 'sermon' this week) instead of out doing the REAL work of the church?!
---T.S. on 5/19/06


Both! Both! A church should have both conviction and healthy fun where pheasible. The porblem is balancing the two and giving them their rightful places. Everything is a question of balance.
---Okebaram on 5/19/06


Mod "I would disagree as most of the people that attend church today are unbelievers; not believers" What is your evidence of this? Certainly not true of the churches I have direct connection with nor of the churches my friends belong to. But maybe in the USA it is different. In the UK Christianity is not popular and only the committed attended church. Maybe in USA it is more "the thing" to attend church?

Moderator - I have traveled the world and see little difference unless you are in countries like China or the Middle East where your Christianity costs you something.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/19/06


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Really Moderator? I've been to several churches in the last 23 years of my walk with the Lord and I don't recall meeting anyone who wasn't saved. Maybe because I only went to Pentecostal churches? That's a surprising fact if it's true, but that's debatable. I'm the only saved person in my family and the only one going to church. hhhmmmm, this is a good point to debate I guess.

Moderator - It would stand to reason that if one believes we are living in the end-time that the church is apostate. The major condition for the end-times is the church will be apostate which allows the Anti-Christ to be ushered in. I have been to most major denominations and I would guess that only 10 to 15% of the people that go to church are truly Christians; they just think they are Christian.
---Donna9759 on 5/19/06


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