Kim Clement is a false prophet.
He is part of a larger movement of false
prophets. (prophetic movement, including
Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner, Francis Frangipane,
Steve Shultz of the Elijah List, etc)
But Baptists in America also promote
a "once saved" heresy and compromise
truth often with Catholics who lack
obedience in the world. So Baptist
pastors are pretty corrupt themselves.
Many people today state how corrupt
the prophetic movement is but Baptist
pastors for the most part go unrebuked.
It is warned that people would gather
preachers to teach them lies. 2 Timothy
4:1-4
This is the state of America's church in 2009. |
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---Dale on 11/20/09 |
I love Kim Clement. I have not been able to pick up his programming on tv lately but I believe he is a true man of God. He comes to Texas almost every year and his gatherings are so awesome and spirit-filled. His singers and backup group is great. I am also on his mailing list. |
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---Robyn on 9/11/07 |
My experience was a positive one. It was a life and death situation.
In 20 years, I have had some false prophecies from women's conferences and people claiming to be a prophet.
I'm not going to besmirch Kim Clement's ministry, because it blessed me and my family. He received very little money from those meetings in 1988. It was a small church, young adults, attending college. He basically had a place to stay, and that was it. |
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---Rachel on 9/11/07 |
Clement asks for donations and has no problem taking from the poor. UNGODLY! I have read his prophecies and some of his visions seem like God trying to speak but then HE interprets in his marshmellow language and so dilutes the message if there was in fact a message or vission at all. Allot of these guys read other high dollar prophecies and spin theirs off ot them.Their visions don't come true and they are false proph's |
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---jody_martin on 9/11/07 |
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I think there is a distinct difference btw a Prophet and having the gift of prophecy.
And I don't like when people call themselves 'Prophet' as opposed to someone who says God has given them a 'word of knowledge' or 'wisdom'.
Anything that puts the focus on the person and off of God (or makes God look bad) doesn't sound like the work of the Holy Spirit.
Paul was clear prophecy was not to be despised but we all know we have to know from whom the word is comong from.
Yes - they can err |
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---Andrea on 9/11/07 |
No true prophet of God makes money of God's prophecies. Kim Clement is now very rich after selling his propheies on CD's. No true prophet of God does this. I know that for a fact. God's prophecies aren't money makers. |
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---Matthew_from_LA on 9/11/07 |
Your response to God determines whether or not you will enter the promise He gave you. You have been given the right to determine whether or not His intention for your life will come to pass. You are responsible for your future and there is nothing anyone can say that will change it, especially if you are determined to walk another course in life. God leaves the matter in your hands and He then responds accordingly.
Excerpt from "Call Me Crazy But I'm Hearing God" |
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---escmatrix on 9/10/07 |
I guess I'll just have to post this again. A man can be a prophet of God and still miss the mark, for instance, in Acts there was a prophet named Agabus who gave a word to Paul. Now he got the main idea of the prophecy right, but missed on the details. The scripture is in Acts 21 starting with verse 10. Agabus said the Jews would bind Paul's hands and deliver him to the Gentiles, but actually it was the Gentiles that bound him up and took him away. |
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---Michael on 4/11/07 |
When someone says "This is what God says" and then tells you something that wasn't true.. that's how you know they are not actually speaking for God.
Practice doesn't make perfect in prophecy. When God speaks, it's perfect. |
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---Ryan on 3/26/07 |
Today's true prophets does not fortell the future. Today's prophets gives the most powerful messages and we are noted for condemning sin. The Bible tells you everything you need to know about your future. yes. |
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---catherine on 3/24/07 |
I think the reason people don't listen to him is because too many of the things he prophesied didn't happen (or worse the opposite happened). This kinda guy causes unbelievers to scoff at God and Christians to deny the true prophetic gifts. |
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---Ryan on 3/23/07 |
No, Men can't raise up armies of prophets, but the laying on of hands is biblical. This practice was and is used to impart healing, annointing and spitiual giftings. It's totally biblical. If you read the Bible for yourself you'll know. You'll find it scattered throughout the New Testiment. I just can't think of any passages off the top of my head, Except Hebrews chapter 6 which calls the laying on of hands a foundational principle. |
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---Michael on 3/7/07 |
Dave, why do you call yourself a horse's patoot? Anyway, that's we're here for, to lift each other up. God created us to need each other. Some of you may call me a heratic for saying this, but God is not all we need. If that were the case, he wouldn't have needed to create Eve. We were made to need eachother. |
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---Michael on 3/6/07 |
One last thing, Michael. The longer I'm around the Christians, I realize what's been missing out of my life. I've grown so fond of you all. I love you all so much.
You light up my life, you give me hope, to carry on. Kisses everyone. |
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---Dave on 3/5/07 |
I enjoy listening to Kim Clement. when he comes to Houston I sometimes go out to his gatherings, which are usually spirit filled. I take his word for it. He knows how God is dealing with him. We do not know that. God deals with each of us on different levels.If he is a false prophet he will have to answer to God for that and not to us. |
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---robyn on 3/5/07 |
That's interesting, Michael. How did you know what I was thinking?
That was so insightful and bright.
Michael, I have been such a horse's patoot.
I am sorry. |
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---Dave on 3/5/07 |
A man can be a prophet of God and still miss the mark, for instance, in Acts there was a prophet named Agabus who gave a word to Paul. Now he got the main idea of the prophecy right, but missed on the details. The scripture is in Acts 21 starting with verse 10. Agabus said the Jews would bind Paul's hands and deliver him to the Gentiles, but actually it was the Gentiles that bound him up and took him away. |
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---Michael on 3/5/07 |
The fact is, we're human. We're fallible. God's words may always be right, but that doesn't mean we always get them right. And how do you know the OT prophets didn't mess up? Because it wasn't in the Bible? Please... |
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---Michael on 3/5/07 |
so, yes, I believe he's a prophet of God |
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---Michael on 3/5/07 |
MARK: "Men" don't raise up a company of prophets... |
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---kathr4453 on 2/26/07 |
Kathr, people say kim has a low lvl of accuracy to them b/c they expect each prophecy to be exactly what they think it will be, when in fact it usually(most of the time) isnt...it may be completely different than what is first thought of or conceived... |
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---mark on 2/25/07 |
Hamon states, In 1977 God spoke to me says, I want you to start raising up a company of prophets and start (menacing) the leadership. Hamon wants to raise-up an army of prophets (which he has by laying hands on thousands throughout out the world), Clement is a part of this prophetic army. Hamon believes prophets can have a low percentage of accuracy not needing to be 100% correct. Clement has this same theological construct with a low success as a prophet, admitting he has missed it a number of times. |
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---kathr4453 on 2/24/07 |
I would like to post where I got it. But unfortunately i can't post websites here.
The Mod deletes them. Give me your penpal name and I can mail it to you. This information is from interviews and does not come from his site. Please give me your email and I will be more than happy to send you the link.A final note though.
How can God lie. A prophecy comes from God. Do you remember any OT prophecies not becoming fulfilled? |
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---Matthew on 12/8/06 |
Mattew,
Hey i want to know where you get your information, he does not think like that the only place where i think you could have gotten that answer are other crazy blogg sites where the people heard it in some twisted manner..
Yea i still dont know whats wrong with hearing the AUDIBLE voice of God, moses did all the time... |
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---mark on 12/7/06 |
watch yourslef, because prophesies dont have to come true the way you think they should,
he said that people would find the cure for AIDS by 2002
from the first reading of it it seems like the worlds cure for aids has finally arrive we cant wait...
mabye they stumbled upon the AIDS cure but went over it and mabye some error in test cames back,
so dont view prophesies as they should come true the way you want them to b/c that put God in a box and thats never good |
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---mark on 12/7/06 |
Kim Clement claimed you don't have to be born again to be saved. Actually he claims you are born again when you finally get into heaven. He also doesn't believe in repenting of sins. He says that believers should focus on the gifts God gave every believer before he was born more than repenting of sins. He also claims at the moment he was baptized he heard God in an AUDIBLE voice tell him he is going to be a prophet. |
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---Matthew on 12/7/06 |
Kim Clement has uttered some false prophecies--that can be confirmed and dated.
Spend some time with a search engine and be enlightened. |
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---Jack on 12/4/06 |
Rachel -You and I are a lot alike I have a ring and gave one to each of my kids silver it says to thine own self be true-- on a round ring. Not expensive on QVC talk to me at jeann3964 would love to talk to U we can disagree/agreee but at least talk that is good. |
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---Jeanne on 12/4/06 |
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Thanx Jeanne...for reminding me that I am cherished...I do already know...but reinforcing Love and Acceptance...never hurts!...i listen to the "voice" within me...which is not even a voice at all...it is simply Conscience...I live by Shakespeare..."To thine own self be true"...Peace...rachel... |
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---Reiter on 12/4/06 |
All the witchcraft propaganda in the world will not torment religious spirits. When that prophecy comes to pass, you would be a Christian that has a knowledge of the Word. The Word is Jesus Christ. Witchcraft is a vexation to your soul, and until your deliverance comes, it is tormenting your thoughts. Witchcraft may be your badge of honor in your inner circle, but the witchcraft you are promoting will destroy you in the life hereafter. There is no reincarnation. You will not come back. |
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---Cindy on 12/4/06 |
Fulfillment of prophecy is contingent upon you. You have the option to turn from your witchcraft and follow Jesus. Then you could lay claim to your prophecy. It requires a decision. If you spend the rest of your life defending the green path of enlightenment, your influence will have been in vain. The day you lay witchcraft down, is the day your prophecy will begin to pass. But you cannot have both ways, God's kingdom doesn't work that way. |
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---Cindy on 12/4/06 |
There is also the human element that can cause a prophecy to fail. The requirement and responsiblity a person has to be obedient to God. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Without that, no matter how many prophecies have been spoken, they will not come to pass. |
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---Cindy on 12/4/06 |
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Shana , I agree with you 100%. If even 1 prophecy falls to the ground, the prophet is not of God. Jeremiah never missed. Ezekiel never missed. niether did Hosea, Isaih, etc. ect. |
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---craige on 12/3/06 |
its how U said Bible bites not to be funny but to make fun. The blog "can 1 date a witch" U tell, Kim C. has spoken the prophetic word over U saying "U would torment religious spisits". That is false because only a few blogs down U are yelling no 1 will convert me I am a Jew, my Jewish heritage. So That prophesy failed nor did it bring down the Druid, Pagan, Wicca wall either. I told U Rachel U are cherished valued by Jesus remember that instead of all these other so called voices. |
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---Jeanne on 12/3/06 |
I have to admit, I know little about this man. I did hear him say that he doesn't believe you have to be born again to be saved, though. thats enough to let me know that he's not a true prophet. |
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---craige on 12/2/06 |
Shiela, Shana and Jeanne
The Term "Bible Bites" is used as an expression to refer to the Bible being divided into verses of chapters. Of course we don't eat a book, but we do take in the knowledge. Often I think of Reading in terms of Drinking or Eating, perhaps because, I almost always read with brewed herbal tea...but please forgive the analogy, since it caused so much offense.
~rachel~ |
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---Reiter on 12/2/06 |
Rachel last time we blogged-- on can I date a witch-- U said "you are a natural healer otherwise called a witch." I read here a Jew, fine I understand they can mesh since I was that exact mix before I came to Christ. U know I studied the Kabala. Why do U say Bible bites to her? We get 85 words so all are "bites". U were quoted from scripture- a prophet must be right-no grey area in that. Shiela and Shana are correct in what they have said to U. |
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---Jeanne on 12/2/06 |
I'm not looking for bible bites. I'm looking for people to support their points of view with the Bible. |
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---Shana on 12/1/06 |
Mathew...what 'secret sin' might you be referring to...Prophet Kim Clement bears only good fruit
Alan...I defend The Prophet quite a bit...it is never anything personal...even if doubt comes against Kim Clement...I am sure to block it...Much Peace, rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/19/06 |
Shana, you are seeking the biblical aspect...so give us some bible bites! You know how to dish the bible bites...hungry? I just ate eggplant, but I may have room for a bible bite or two.
Much Peace
~rachel~ |
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---Reiter on 11/19/06 |
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Rachel ... If by Allen you meant me, please rest assured that I have absolutely nothing against Kim Clement. In fact I know nothing about him, except the claims that have been made on his behalf on this blog.
I had never heard of him before.
It's just that I thought that what Virginia mentioned was hardly proof of someone's prophetic power |
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---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/18/06 |
Matthew 7:15-17 says you can notice false prophets by their fruits. I don't know how much of Kim Clements daily life any given person can see. If you get a chance to observe it though the answer should be there. I understand some people who are false even in their seen life appears good but in their personal life bad fruit lies. Like fruit from secret sins. Secret sins however always reveal themselves(sometimes not until death) so time will also tell. |
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---Matthew on 11/18/06 |
The defense of the prophetic here sounds more like witchcraft than a gift from God. I believe it has probably caused more damage than skepticism could. Any gift from God can be perverted, distorted, and taken to extremes. Then again, that is the enemy's intent, to destroy the prophetic. That was/is Jezebel's mission. |
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---Shiela on 11/18/06 |
What happened to the Biblical aspect of all of this? |
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---Shana on 11/17/06 |
Virginia,
Please don't let Allen [or anyone else] cause you doubt the accuracy of Prophet Kim Clement. Many people are jealous of Kim Clement's ability. That is the root of the slander that comes against Kim Clement: jealousy.
rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/13/06 |
Virginia ... Since the whole world knew that North Korea planned to test the rockets, I am sure that the US AirForce had those planes up in the air 24/7 |
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---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/12/06 |
Virginia,
That's a pretty name [the name of one of my favorite essayists: Woolf.]
NO Big E YET--true--but don't blame Prophet Kim Clement. Blame me.
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/12/06 |
I like Kim Clement...he was right on about the prophecy that the day this year Korea fired those missles and we had heat seeking destroyer planes in the air, that due to the god fearing US generals, no one would be hurt. But his new energy source prophecy hasn't happened. |
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---Virginia on 11/10/06 |
Shana,
I should not be the one to call you manipulative, when in fact, I manipulate, sometimes without even realizing it! I would like for you to forgive me for using that word on you. Really, 'the tacticts of conversion' are what I consider to be manipulative, but not you as a person. Who is there to convert? You are a Jew and I am Jew.
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/10/06 |
Shiela:
The differences in religion or politics or 'you name it' between Kim Clement and myself hardly matter. He reached me in a way that gets past all of that.
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/3/06 |
Quite honestly Rachel, my intention was not to convert you. I identify with Judaism and since my mother is Jewish I am, in fact, a Jew. The tone of my message changed because the topic changed. I am offended that you have assumed that I was being manipulative. If we begin talking about KC again you will find the same type of reaction. You will not be able to convince me without Biblical proof, whether it be from the OT or NT. |
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---Shana on 11/2/06 |
I read back through my posts, I didn't find them sweet, soft, compelling, enticing, devisive, or inviting you into a trap. For months you've been defending Kim Clement, we asked why. With biblical reference we relayed that your description of K.C. placed him above God. Kim Clement does preach about Jesus Christ. How do reconcile defending the gospel of Jesus Christ that Kim Clement teaches as a Jewess? |
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---Shiela on 11/2/06 |
Shana & Shiela,
You seem so soft, sweet, compelling and kind. But just a few blogs ago, your words hit like bricks. I wish I could believe that your kindness came free of manipulative intentions, but if I didn't know better, I might wonder whether or not the two of you wanted to convert me. I LOVE being a JEWESS. It's not all about religion. Being Jewish is my identity. I was born Jewish and I will die Jewish. I'll never let a christian take away my Jewish Heritage...EVER!
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 11/2/06 |
Rachel, you aren't going to believe this, but my mom is Jewish and my Dad is Catholic. I grew up with both religious influences and am actually much more liberal in my thinking than has been protrayed thus far. (Part I) |
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---Shana on 11/1/06 |
This is just very important to me because once we proclaim someone to be a prophet of God then that person potentially has a lot of control/influence over our lives. I do not want to make the mistake of following someone who isn't sent by God. Please note that the Bible versus that I use to support my non-belief in KC are all from the OT. (Part II) |
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---Shana on 11/1/06 |
Rachel R., do you observe your Jewish faith? God says He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh in the last days. Jewish sons and daughters will prophesy. Joel 2:28. The prophet Joel says this will happen at the time the nations try to divide up the land of Israel. Joel 3:2 |
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---Shiela on 11/1/06 |
Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, 'Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" Zechariah 8:23
God will cause His former rain (Spirit of God on the Jewish people) and His latter rain (Spirit of God on Christians) to come down at once. Joel 2:23 Do you observe the feasts? |
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---Shiela on 11/1/06 |
Shiela & Shana,
Thank you for being concerned about my religious life. That proves you care and you are unselfish, taking interest in the well-being of a person other than yourselves. The answer to your question is--NO...I am a Jew. |
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---Reiter on 11/1/06 |
Do you have a church other than KC's meetings, R. Reiter? |
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---Shiela on 10/31/06 |
I wouldn't attempt to censure your religious freedoms. I am not an extremist. I do thank you for explaining your replies. It sounded New Age and you have confirmed that. You don't turn my stomach, but the worship of human divinity does. Christianet requests biblical and Christ-like replies. Are you interested in knowing Jesus Christ? |
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---Shiela on 10/30/06 |
Rachel, I have to be honest with you. I find your way of interacting with people quite passive aggressive and unbecoming. As for me, I agree with you regarding the fact that you can gain insight and understanding through others, even non-Christians. The issue is that unless it aligns with the Bible it is false. All I ask is for you to support your statements with the Bible. If I find a contradiction in the Bible, then I'll let you know. If I don't, then you've convinced me. |
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---Shana on 10/30/06 |
Shiela:
I don't see anything wrong with giving men Glory. Men are Magnificent Human Beings and Reflectors of Divinity and "Houses" of the Divine Potential. I certainly don't want to make you feel SICK, though, with my Love of Humankind. I apologize for turning your stomach; I happen to be more Humanitarian than religious. With all due respect, I won't allow you to censor my reading. Truth can be found in many books --not just one.
~Rachel |
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---Reiter on 10/30/06 |
"A TRUE prophet from God is 100% right all the time, be not deceived. I'm not familiar with this Clement person, but I tell you this, if his/her prophecies are not 100% right 100% of the time, it didn't come from God and that person is deceived, isn't a prophet from God (false prophet). God Bless!"
I agree with Mrs._Morgan. |
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---Kay on 10/30/06 |
RReiter, that helps. In Rev 19:10, it says 'the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.' Jesus spoke the Father's words. All biblical prophecy points to Jesus. Jesus is the initiator of prophecy and all prophecy should point back to Jesus. When you glorify man, it usurps Jesus. You've described with your senses the feelings you have about the prophetic. Dear Rachel, for prophecy to be true it must never exalt the man. Your descriptions have exalted man and it gives us a sick feeling in our senses. |
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---Shiela on 10/29/06 |
Rachel Reiter, I was wondering why this was your lone blog. Adding Jesus into the mixture of philosophies you prescribe is a good start. If you have a bible and lay aside all other reading material, your mind will begin to clear. Clarity of mind, clear thinking will come to you each day as you read God's word. You will begin to see differently. God's truth will set you free. |
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---Shiela on 10/29/06 |
Shiela and Shana:
I do wish that I could credit my FEELINGS with notions like Time, Free Will and Destiny; in truth, these theoretical concepts did not come from my own heart. Philosophers and Humanitarians like Kant, Gandhi, Socrates and Solomon had a far greater understanding of these concepts [than I could ever hope to have]. I can merely draw a bit of Wisdom from these Great Men. None of them were Christian, though...so, I hardly expect approval from either of you.
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 10/29/06 |
Rachel, were you replying to me or to Sheila? Either way, I agree with Sheila. Take out your Bible and study it. Everything you say here is based off of your feelings and they can be wrong. Try supporting some of what you feel with the Bible. |
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---Shana on 10/28/06 |
DEAR SHANA
The Elements of TIME, CHANCE and FREE WILL are all KEY factors.
I don't seek to be Right, Shana; it is only my Wish that we don't Settle for an Oversimplified answer. I would be just as content if YOU were RIGHT.
*Destiny and Free Will work together. It's hard to accept contradictions, but we live in a World of Opposites...that thrive off of each other.
Peace,
Rachel |
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---Reiter on 10/28/06 |
R.Reiter, I don't know if you are related to Kim Clement. I wonder if Kim Clement would appreciate this mystical sounding reasoning, that sounds more new agey than prophetic. Emotions and feelings are not a gauge the road warriors here respond to, (as a whole). Unless you throw them some Word, they will eat you. Less admiration for the man, and more Word will keep you alive here. |
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---Shiela on 10/28/06 |
You are right. A prophet is not perfect and will make mistakes. However, when a prophet is prophesizing in the name of God, he/she is delivering a "message" directly from God, who is perfect and all knowing. In order to believe that a true prophet of God can make prophecies that dont come true, one would have to be willing to claim that God can make mistakes and be wrong. |
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---Shana on 10/27/06 |
A TRUE prophet from God is 100% right all the time, be not deceived. I'm not familiar with this Clement person, but I tell you this, if his/her prophecies are not 100% right 100% of the time, it didn't come from God and that person is deceived, isn't a prophet from God (false prophet). God Bless! |
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---Mrs._Morgan on 10/27/06 |
Are you Waiting for a Prophet to be 100% Accurate All of the Time in order for Him to be called a True Prophet...if so...just keep on Waiting. There is None Perfect...No...not one.
Rachel
"Do not be Certain of Tomorrow; NO ONE knows what the Future will bring"
~Sage Solomon |
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---Reiter on 10/26/06 |
Regarding KC. Research him. Search terms might include Kim Clement false prophet. Compare prophecies using search terms "America under judgement" or or "nuclear attack on America" and see what you get. Kim Clement made $300,000 in 2001> His ministry $1,200,000. The prophets who predicted America was Mystery Bayblon made no money...like the Bible prophets. |
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---Ray_Matthew on 10/23/06 |
Shana:
I am extremely sorry if you thought that I thought that you are not smart. You have a degree in math? That is quite impressive.
I was only hoping that you might be more open to interpretations of the bible other than your own.
Each person [or group of people] will see the bible through her or his own perceptive lenses.
i.e. Even the gay community has their own interpretation of the "christian" bible...whether or not it agrees with you.
Ra Ch El |
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---Reiter on 10/21/06 |
Rachel, are you claiming that I am not an intellectual or that I do not have the intellect to consider a variety of factors and come to a conclusion? You should know that I graduated in the top of my class in high school, and before the age of 23 earned a B.S in Mathematics and an M.A in Curriculum and Instruction both from top universities and both on scholarships. Please don't insinuate that I don't have the "smarts" to gather information and make a logical conclusion. |
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---Shana on 10/20/06 |
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